Britain's BRAND NEW High Speed Train - The Avanti West Coast Class 805 "Evero"!

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  • Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
  • Up today I'll be taking you inside Avanti West Coast's brand new "Evero" train on its very first day in passenger service - this new Hitachi bi-mode train will be replacing Avanti's diesel Super Voyagers in the coming months and I was fortunate enough to have the timings work to allow myself to ride the very first train. So are these trains an improvement? Find out in this video!
    Journey details:
    Date of travel - 02 June 2024 (inaugural ride)
    Operator - Avanti West Coast
    Class of travel - First
    Origin - Crewe (originally Chester)
    Destination - London Euston
    Price - £84/€98.64/$107.02
    (Advance first single)
    Duration - 2 hours
    Distance - 169 miles
    Thanks for watching and I hope you enjoyed the video!
    Music from EpidemicSound and is used under license.
    A huge thanks to ‪@downonthestour‬ for the thumbnail photo and for the 805 clip in the intro, do check out his channel for more!
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Комментарии • 351

  • @joemercedeschannel196
    @joemercedeschannel196 3 месяца назад +119

    They along with Lumo improved the quality and decreased the hate on the modern IET's which had very poor seating.
    Great video mate.

    • @MattJames2211
      @MattJames2211 3 месяца назад +5

      I still find the refurbished avanti seats not very comfortable

    • @joemercedeschannel196
      @joemercedeschannel196 3 месяца назад +18

      @@MattJames2211 But they're better than the GWR and LNER (Azuma) seats. And the GWR and LNER (Azuma) units have poor ride quality at top speed. I haven't tried out the Avanti IET's yet but I will do sometime and see if they have poor ride quality or not.

    • @simonsv9449
      @simonsv9449 3 месяца назад +7

      And EMR promised great seating on their 810 ”Aurora”. We’ll see if they kept their promise.

    • @cameronallan5624
      @cameronallan5624 3 месяца назад +5

      Agreed they are better.
      But we shouldn’t be aiming for minimal viable seating comfort.
      We should be encouraging people onto trains with comfy seats.
      Europe doesn’t seem to have this problem. Why does the UK always go for such hard seats on its new trains.
      The only exception to this is Lumos trains which despite having the same seat shape have much more padding and are much more comfortable.
      Why can’t everyone just copy Lumo?

    • @CityWhisperer
      @CityWhisperer 3 месяца назад +1

      Seating is always selected by the operators and not the manufacturers, so congrats to them and shame on the rest.

  • @wolvolad25
    @wolvolad25 3 месяца назад +119

    I dont understand how anyone looked at that interior and thought mmmmm yes this is a premium experience

    • @Morning404
      @Morning404 3 месяца назад +15

      Corporate greed.

    • @thegrowl2210
      @thegrowl2210 3 месяца назад +8

      The GWR first class in the Mk3s looked pretty good. Now we have… this.

    • @sparkyUK
      @sparkyUK 3 месяца назад +9

      I was just thinking this. Very boring. LNER's first class looks much nicer.

    • @alexpeak16
      @alexpeak16 3 месяца назад +6

      @@sparkyUK Only on their 225s. The Azumas are hopeless in both classes.

    • @henrybn14ar
      @henrybn14ar 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@Morning404
      Incompetence. These trains cost a fortune. The entire concept is flawed.

  • @typhoon-7
    @typhoon-7 3 месяца назад +89

    For those of us old enough to remember, I'm getting class 91 flashbacks here... Top speed of a new fleet that can't be used due to infrastructure limitations and probably never will be if history repeats itself. Nobody wants to build tilting trains at a sensible price any more to take advantage of TASS on WCML so here we are. Compromised again.

    • @audigex
      @audigex 3 месяца назад +15

      Never mind the Class 91... the Pendolinos these will be running alongside also can't run at full speed. They're limited to 125mph despite being capable of 140mph
      These will mostly be operating south of Crewe anyway so they don't actually lose *that* much time vs a Pendolino. Most of the really twisty stuff is further north

    • @josephharrison8354
      @josephharrison8354 3 месяца назад +21

      The problem isn't really signalling: that'll help with cramming more capacity onto existing lines, because more precise signalling means trains can run closer together. It is fundamentally the issue of the WCML being a multi-speed, multimodal line, and the capacity constraints that causes. Bumping intercity services up to 140mph will just exacerbate that issue.

    • @rajveerhonrao
      @rajveerhonrao 3 месяца назад +8

      Even worse when HS2 trains can't go at 125mph on the line up to Scotland due to their lack of tilt whereas the older Pendolinos can.

    • @alcatel4539
      @alcatel4539 3 месяца назад +2

      The reason these trains can't exceed 125mph is signalling related. The regulators don't think it is safe to depend on lights on sticks.

    • @ChilternTransportProductions
      @ChilternTransportProductions 3 месяца назад

      @@rajveerhonrao Is it me or are they now considering running some Pendolinos on HS2?

  • @StephenSmith-ge1qf
    @StephenSmith-ge1qf 3 месяца назад +29

    I've booked an Avanti trip from Euston to Liverpool in July. It's class,( because I like 1st. class train travel). I was shocked by the fare - £118. I live in Italy, where for far less I can get a premium class return from Milan to Rome and home again, on a Freccia at 300km. per hour .

    • @racelox
      @racelox 3 месяца назад +2

      I've booked an Avanti in June from Manchester to Euston and it's cost £45. Try split tickets?

    • @slavvy.mp4884
      @slavvy.mp4884 3 месяца назад +4

      Pffft, just wait till you pay for a Liverpool to Euston return ticket. even with a railcard and off peak ticket, it cost me 144 gbp 2nd class.
      I despise the railway operators in this nation.

    • @racelox
      @racelox 3 месяца назад

      @@slavvy.mp4884 Lime Street to Euston, leaving tomorrow morning (Saturday) and returning later in the day. £38...

    • @azza5332
      @azza5332 3 месяца назад +5

      Right? £84 quid for a 2 hour journey in not even the most luxourious first class is a rip off! The only other country where first class is overpriced is Switzerland, but everything is expensive there!

    • @RECHARGED77
      @RECHARGED77 Месяц назад

      thats england for ya

  • @NickyMitchell85
    @NickyMitchell85 3 месяца назад +21

    The echoed announcements on that train remind me of vintage airport announcements.

  • @AymanTravelTransport
    @AymanTravelTransport 3 месяца назад +20

    That was quick! Incidentally, I've noticed XC have already started operating some of the ex-Avanti Voyagers, as one of them was working Edinburgh-Plymouth according to RTT.

  • @grahamandrew907
    @grahamandrew907 3 месяца назад +6

    Nothing beats mark 1 coaching stock, pulled by a class 52, happy days!!!!

    • @pitbing
      @pitbing 3 месяца назад +5

      If you really want bog standard accommodation, WCR are still operating MK1 coaching stock.

  • @_ajf
    @_ajf 3 месяца назад +15

    FYI for the wireless chargers, in the clip you showed at least, you just missed the pad. The coil in the phone is in the middle not the bottom. Thanks for the coverage of the new trains!

    • @damiendye6623
      @damiendye6623 3 месяца назад

      Should matter it's meant to be wireless, as such its a point less wasteful tech

    • @_ajf
      @_ajf 3 месяца назад +4

      ​@@damiendye6623 I mean I agree it's inefficient and slow, but I'm not sure it's pointless

  • @ejc7129
    @ejc7129 3 месяца назад +11

    Excellent appraisal of yet another Hitachi AT300 variant 🙂👍🏽 The GWR ones on my region are truly awful and after nearly 7 years in service for the GWR 800/0’s, most of the interiors are now looking worn with badly rattling plastic panelling, stained carpets and some seat bases (even in 1st class) sunk so far, you can feel the metal bar underneath 🫣 The one good thing about these 805’s is that they were not DFT specified like GWR/LNER, so there is better seating, better lighting and they seem to be fitted out better inside 🤔 Lets see what they are like after a few years in service and lets hope they are not in a sorry state, like most of the GWR AT300’s 🫣

  • @petitkruger2175
    @petitkruger2175 3 месяца назад +5

    The Class 805s give me hope for the IET's! Definitely the best class 800 with Lumo and much better than the Voyagers. If only LNER's and GWR's IET's can be upgraded to the 805 standards.

  • @michaelbirch8666
    @michaelbirch8666 3 месяца назад +19

    Not really bothered what equipment Avanti uses; I just need a TOC that operates a regular, reliable service with next-to-no cancellations. Come back Virgin; all is forgiven.

    • @maly2ts408
      @maly2ts408 3 месяца назад +4

      Yes I agree virgin did ok , bring him back

  • @123penfold
    @123penfold 3 месяца назад +8

    The announcements make the guard and buffet staff sound like they are down at London Euston . Hope they sort that out .

  • @kitspackman3994
    @kitspackman3994 3 месяца назад +6

    If they get dispensation to run the 805s at 125 on the Trent Valley passengers will discover exactly why I spent the 1970s getting tilt systems to work, as their coffee slides sideways off the tables! It's about 'passenger comfort' and no amount of extra acceleration out of the curves will cancel out the lateral acceleration during the curves.

  • @CarlSmith-bs4qx
    @CarlSmith-bs4qx 3 месяца назад +110

    Why order 5 coaches, a single 9\10 coach version would make more sense with reference to capacity planning

    • @Jstransporthub
      @Jstransporthub 3 месяца назад +12

      Ik assuming that these Evero/ class 805s run as five cars because they will take over the voyager route to Maidenhead. 807s will be 7-9-11 cars I do not remember..

    • @mikefish8226
      @mikefish8226 3 месяца назад +22

      The trains they replace are usually 5s or 2x5s.

    • @damianc.0.681
      @damianc.0.681 3 месяца назад +30

      @@Jstransporthubto Maidenhead??? What r u on?

    • @thomasjones5566
      @thomasjones5566 3 месяца назад +5

      To begin with they will run in 5 or 10 car formations, 6 805s will be in service first while 6 221s temporarily remain in use.
      14 805 services will run per day and 18 221 services will run per day

    • @hydrogenvshelium6851
      @hydrogenvshelium6851 3 месяца назад +14

      *Holyhead via North Wales Coast Line
      and Wrexham General,
      all via Chester

  • @MylesHSG
    @MylesHSG 3 месяца назад +4

    Ok, let me get this straight. Pendos and Super Voyagers tilt to allow 125mph running on the WCML, however these new trains cant tilt and therefore will be limited to 110mph on a lot of sections...unless the WCML has had some sort of massive stealth upgrade in the last few years that I have missed.

    • @rthoc71
      @rthoc71 3 месяца назад +1

      It was cheaper for Avanti order non tilt trains, plus any Tilt order trains would taken far longer to build as no production line platform anymore for tilting pendolinos have redesign new fleet. Where as Hitachi fleet are tried n tested later generations of IEP only downside can't run at 125mph everywhere no tilt.
      Hitachi fleet production line still rolling so far easier to add new trains to the current build than start from scratch something totally new

    • @MylesHSG
      @MylesHSG 3 месяца назад +1

      @@rthoc71 Don't get me wrong the Voyagers needed to be replaced, and god it was terrible when they ran to Glasgow completely under the wires. Just worry about the impact on not just journey times, but pathing, no doubt these will spend the vast majority of their time on the fast lines, potentially holding up Pendos if they start to fall behind the WTT.

    • @rthoc71
      @rthoc71 3 месяца назад +1

      @@MylesHSG having ridden few times on tilt voyagers they weren't best thing switching between tilt mode to non tilt little uncomfortable at times, tilt system on pendolinos more smoother transitions. Acceleration is quick on 807 bit similar to issues we had on ECML when Mk4 91 full fleet ran main service Edinburgh to London at time hired 2 class 90's run with mk4 used on Leeds runs with 110mph it worked but only because 90 was superior in acceleration than 91 at the time.
      So getting back to WCML if 110mph Avanti Evro good accelerating only way work is restrict where they operate ie not North of Lancaster, where track speeds greater on straights be not lot diffence when hits tilting sections where anything slower will impact 390 schedules

  • @470danadidas
    @470danadidas 3 месяца назад +8

    Good video but you're right... there's no way I'd pay £84 for a 2hr journey. How much was standard class? The trains seem to be a vast improvement over the already established 801 series on the GWR network. Seemed quieter too. Your new name is better too.

    • @garethroberts2779
      @garethroberts2779 3 месяца назад +1

      But you would pay less for a 3hr journey going the same distance? Most want passengers are willing to pay more to reduce the time spent on the train, those who want to pay too spend as long as possible on a train visit heritage railways.

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz 7 дней назад

      ​@@garethroberts2779 dude look at how empty the train was lowering the price would make more money.

    • @garethroberts2779
      @garethroberts2779 6 дней назад

      @@Alex-cw3rz You've never heard of advance tickets? They are based on the demand for each service. Distance is the the other and if it's covered in a quicker time you pay more. Only trainspotters see being onboard longer as better value. Ordinary passengers want to be on and off ASAP.

  • @745ga
    @745ga 3 месяца назад +6

    Nice Job you reached 20k subscribers, I thought you were someone else, then I recognized your nice thumbnail design style, really like it. Good Job your videos

  • @Anonymoususer_8823
    @Anonymoususer_8823 3 месяца назад +1

    I like what Avanti West Coast have named their new trains “Evero”. Be looking forward to seeing the Class 807 electric IET coming into service in the next few months.

  • @ce1834
    @ce1834 3 месяца назад +5

    Quite a step up from the Voyagers, even without tilt imo. Great sets! Going to be interesting to see if they'll be allowed to run at 125mph at some point in these sections

  • @Fitlad75
    @Fitlad75 3 месяца назад +20

    never understand in this country why they don't just reduce the prices to fill the seats, it's a win for everyone

    • @TheRip72
      @TheRip72 3 месяца назад +8

      I live along the line & can't understand how YT content creators always manage to find quiet trains. I always find it hard to find a seat.

    • @josephinebennington7247
      @josephinebennington7247 Месяц назад

      To get a reduction in ticket prices, what part(s) of the whole system would you reduce? Wages (whose?), safety (yours?), frequency (more or fewer trains?). Come on, be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

    • @TheRip72
      @TheRip72 Месяц назад +1

      @@josephinebennington7247 It depends which ticket prices. The structure is very weird. On longer journeys, advance tickets can be pretty cheap. Standard fares are often huge & ridiculous.
      A few years back, I did a 1 hour journey on a Virgin service & the cheapest option was a first class ticket. Standard class was not sold out, it was simply more expensive. How crazy was that?

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz 7 дней назад +1

      Exactly!

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz 7 дней назад +1

      ​​​​​@@josephinebennington7247 there were about 270 empty seats on this train, if they cut that 1st class ticket from £84 to 48 and all that you'd need is 3 people (which let's be honest at that price it would more likely be at least half full) to make more money than they are now. This is such a basic concept which seems lost on the modern world. They could have charged £10 a seat which would garentueed be a full train and made more money than they did on this journey with these ridiculous prices.

  • @brian402
    @brian402 3 месяца назад +3

    Thanks for the upfront honest good review here!, always awesome watching your videos., last time i was in the UK & that was like..... i travelled around on British Rail Intercity125

  • @NorthernFail852
    @NorthernFail852 3 месяца назад +3

    So I recently went on the 805 to London and boy was it a nightmare, the train I was meant to get had been cancelled at Crewe after coming fresh out of the depot, and by the time I made it to Chester from Runcorn East, I had no time to make a connecting service down to Crewe, luckily though a 58 minute late 805 was nearly at Chester and would give me about 15 minutes connection time, or so I thought, the train ended up getting to the station 67 minutes late and had to join another 805 whilst sat at the platform, this made the train so late I missed the connection at Crewe and had to end up getting a pendolino down to the capital, to say the least u was not happy
    On the otherhand after a lovely day in London I timed it just right to get an 805 back to Chester, this only being 10 minutes late on Arriva at Chester due to speed restrictions on the 805’s
    I give the whole experience an 8/10, would’ve been 10/10 if they were able to reach full line speed, and the morning run I’d give a 2/10 due to how late the trains were

  • @CRH1A-1145
    @CRH1A-1145 3 месяца назад +2

    The lighting on Class 80x's is impressive. I can't wait to try the 805!!!

  • @Kletterhaus
    @Kletterhaus 3 месяца назад +7

    They look nice, can't wait to ride them this summer.

    • @danshaw3527
      @danshaw3527 3 месяца назад

      You’re gonna do whaaaat

  • @aaronjones8884
    @aaronjones8884 3 месяца назад +9

    Name a better duo than network rail and not getting stuff done when they say they will

  • @chriswilkes4350
    @chriswilkes4350 3 месяца назад +3

    The seats still look pretty hard. Are they any better than the ironing boards of the earlier trains? And the foo was poor. ON LNER we got very good hot food last year. What are your thoughts?

  • @manomaylr
    @manomaylr 3 месяца назад +10

    For a second I'm like "wait, is this Midland London?"

    • @thomasfy4
      @thomasfy4 3 месяца назад

      Same, I thought he quit!

  • @redgoon698
    @redgoon698 3 месяца назад +5

    I still think the HSTs or 91s are superior. Good vid though. 😁

  • @shihanthetrainspotter
    @shihanthetrainspotter 3 месяца назад +3

    These Brad new Avanti trains are amazing I can’t wait to ride one I hope to also do a trip report on it

  • @cameronallan5624
    @cameronallan5624 3 месяца назад +6

    Why can we never have decent SOFT seats on UK trains. Is it really that hard to achieve?

    • @azza5332
      @azza5332 3 месяца назад +1

      Why we can never have amazing high speed rail in the UK is a mystery. Why do we get it so wrong?

  • @rantingyoof6960
    @rantingyoof6960 3 месяца назад +6

    So these HSTs are currently limited to the Class 350's top speed? That's a shame.

    • @realkasumi5443
      @realkasumi5443 3 месяца назад +4

      A new MU speed profile is being introduced to allow non-tilt stock to reach 115/120 with some sections of 125. However, this speed profile hasn't been comissioned yet, so trains are currently running to PS speeds (max 110), with the exception of the Stour Line which has MU limits already.

  • @fredburley9512
    @fredburley9512 3 месяца назад +2

    After travelling in a Pullman carriage being hauled by a Castle Class steam engine last year, it's hard to find anything to equal that comfort wise. 😂 There is a sterility about rail interiors these days to my mind though some new ones are nice. I always got a feeling of being cramped on Pendolinos.

  • @gordonprentice7090
    @gordonprentice7090 3 месяца назад +5

    10:24 I really hate it when people put their feet on the seat especially on a brand new train. Glad are the same seats as the refurbed pendolinos as they are much better than the ones in the other IET's

  • @journeysofjames1116
    @journeysofjames1116 3 месяца назад +6

    It just makes me question why they couldn’t put these type of seats in the previous 80x trains from the very beginning. Great video

    • @chrisnightingale6917
      @chrisnightingale6917 3 месяца назад

      Hopefully there'll be a mid-life refurb due at some point...!

    • @audigex
      @audigex 3 месяца назад +3

      There was a period of a few years where a weird quirk of overlapping UK and EU regulations made it VERY difficult to design fire-regulation-compliant comfortable seats for the UK

    • @MrJimheeren
      @MrJimheeren 3 месяца назад

      @@audigexoh really. Interesting. But to be honest I like a little stiff seat, nicer for my back. So all these people who are complaining about it, know that lots of people actually like it

    • @henrybn14ar
      @henrybn14ar 3 месяца назад

      Sims Metals of Newport would make a good job of them.

    • @henrybn14ar
      @henrybn14ar 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@MrJimheeren
      Firm seats are fine if the profile is correct but they almost never are, even though the information has been available since the 1950s. They also mean that the ride quality must be good, but it is not.

  • @SWTROfficial
    @SWTROfficial 3 месяца назад +2

    Another thing you’ve probs discovered is for the manual announcements you hear the same chime as the class 390

  • @downonthestour
    @downonthestour 3 месяца назад +5

    Great Video as per OM!

  • @IScreamer
    @IScreamer 24 дня назад

    Nice new trains for sure. 1st class passengers having to pick up their meal from the café is not so nice. Like you, I just love the Avanti livery - very slick indeed!

  • @petermc7098
    @petermc7098 2 месяца назад

    Hi There, a great and insightful Video on some of the new Avanti West Coast fleet and it definitely looks like a welcome replacement to the voyagers, feels a lot more fresh etc. Thank you for sharing your thoughts it's greatly appreciated. Cheers Peter :)

  • @Ztbmrc1
    @Ztbmrc1 Месяц назад

    Nice train. Hope I will be able to travel on it one day on my next train trip to the UK. That echoing on the pa system was quite funny. It seems at the end they got rid of it, but that were automatic announcements no live spoken pa's.

  • @trianandacaesaryandasril786
    @trianandacaesaryandasril786 3 месяца назад +1

    0:06 i like your vlog. You should try riding Whoosh in indonesia, the first high speed train in southeast asia with a speed of 350/KMH. There are still many more trains in indonesia that you can make your youtube video. greetings from indonesia, Keep spirit and keep healty😊

  • @kieranstravels
    @kieranstravels 3 месяца назад +3

    They look decent! Great video OM.

  • @acfbrown1
    @acfbrown1 3 месяца назад +1

    Looks interesting I travelled on a 9 coach Avanti 390 earlier today between Haymarket and Preston.

  • @thomas8692
    @thomas8692 3 месяца назад +4

    I belive there is NO plan for these to do 125MPH.
    No amount of upgrading the track would allow such speeds.
    The west coast already has canted corners to help with speeds. These units have higher acceleration which is enough to make up for the speed difference

    • @andrewreynolds4949
      @andrewreynolds4949 3 месяца назад +3

      There will be limited amounts of 125mph authorized in the near future as part of the new line speed profile, but there will be considerable amounts of 115 and 120 mph.

  • @stephenharper9961
    @stephenharper9961 3 месяца назад +1

    The first booked service ended up being the 10.36 from crewe to holyhead with 805001/805004 but was meant to be that chester to euston but it was restarted at crewe

  • @itsthatsebguy93
    @itsthatsebguy93 3 месяца назад +12

    If it was up to me this line would still be using locos and mark 2 coaches.

    • @Pbuntu
      @Pbuntu 3 месяца назад +2

      Maybe Mk 3 or 4 But I Get You.

    • @Pbuntu
      @Pbuntu 3 месяца назад +1

      And Class 91 Or 86. With DVT

    • @GreatEasternMainlineSpots
      @GreatEasternMainlineSpots 3 месяца назад

      Your extremely delusional

    • @whatdoyoumeanbro4964
      @whatdoyoumeanbro4964 3 месяца назад +2

      it's 2024 not 1998

    • @Pbuntu
      @Pbuntu 3 месяца назад +1

      @@whatdoyoumeanbro4964 sure but in an alternate universe when privatization never happened

  • @AFCManUk
    @AFCManUk 3 месяца назад +7

    Sorry. . . "High Speed" did you say???
    This train can't even get up to 125 MPH as it doesn't tilt!

    • @realkasumi5443
      @realkasumi5443 3 месяца назад +1

      These units don't tilt, but a new MU speed profile is being introduced to allow non-tilt stock to reach 115/120 with some sections of 125. However, this speed profile hasn't been comissioned yet, so trains are currently running to PS speeds (max 110), with the exception of the Stour Line which has MU limits already.

    • @andrewreynolds4949
      @andrewreynolds4949 3 месяца назад

      The design is good for 140 mph, like most UK intercity trains

    • @AFCManUk
      @AFCManUk 3 месяца назад +1

      @@andrewreynolds4949 Apart from HS1, is there anywhere else in the UK that trains can actually GET to 140mph? I've certainly seen long and straight stretches of track in some places where it could be possible, but the trains aren't allowed to go that fast.

    • @andrewreynolds4949
      @andrewreynolds4949 3 месяца назад

      @@AFCManUk It's not allowed without in-cab signaling, so no. There are places like near Grantham it could be done with ETCS installed, but that would also create further scheduling conflict issues with slower trains without saving much time. That doesn't stop most UK intercity trains being designed and tested for 140 mph speeds anyway

  • @KirkChester
    @KirkChester 3 месяца назад +1

    Will they provide hot food/seat catering in First Class in the future, like they do on the Voyagers and Pendolino's?

  • @BensPlanesTrainsProductions
    @BensPlanesTrainsProductions 3 месяца назад +4

    Sounds like the trains have gone backwards compared to the 221 Voyagers, limited to 110mph, wasn't the 221's already fitted the titling equipemnt prior to entering service on the first day?

    • @andrewreynolds4949
      @andrewreynolds4949 3 месяца назад +1

      There is work underway to raise the speeds for these trains. It should have been completed by now but it’s been delayed

  • @FromtheWindowSeat
    @FromtheWindowSeat 3 месяца назад

    Good review. Keen to try this train next time I visit the UK.

  • @91Durktheturk
    @91Durktheturk 3 месяца назад +5

    Its so 'high speed' that a diagram from Euston to Liverpool takes 2h20 mins instead of 2h10 mins on the 395s

    • @jay-xo9dx
      @jay-xo9dx 3 месяца назад +1

      That’s also because the service will stop at more stations. I’m sure you mean 390s

    • @91Durktheturk
      @91Durktheturk 3 месяца назад

      @@jay-xo9dx Well spotted, 390s indeed. I don't believe it's because of that, but simply because they are limited to 110mph, which on such a distance does make a difference.

    • @jay-xo9dx
      @jay-xo9dx 3 месяца назад

      @@91Durktheturkthe same timings can be achieved at 110. Look at the stopping pattern planned for these extra service to Liverpool and you’ll see they’re booked to stop at more stations

  • @LeonCornelll
    @LeonCornelll 28 дней назад

    New train look great

  • @gaz.oakley
    @gaz.oakley 3 месяца назад +2

    You mean they didn't cancel your train or make you change at Crewe? 😮
    (watches video - they did!)

  • @tonys1636
    @tonys1636 3 месяца назад +1

    Although modern EMU's are designed to be more aerodynamic but at the expense of through connectivity for passengers when two or three units connected. Being close to the barrier at destination means boarding the right unit, not always possible with a reserved seat.

  • @LennixAlexander
    @LennixAlexander 3 месяца назад +1

    A step in the right direction! This should have been the box standard interior for all of the IETs from day one.

  • @Dan-cd6hm
    @Dan-cd6hm 3 месяца назад

    Lovely overview. Wish the bike storage on the Hitachi's wasn't so terrible!

  • @Keikdv
    @Keikdv 3 месяца назад +1

    Someone did a video on rinding 805 009 on 2nd of June in first class Euston to Crewe and had no issue with the sound from the speakers...

  • @PCERules
    @PCERules 3 месяца назад +3

    Ok, so to start, I do work for Avanti and these 800's were a franchise offering not a commitment set up by the DFT. Oddly taking on Xcountry's 221 Voyagers would have made a lot more sense, however the increase in journey times in due to the limitations with the new non tilt stock, they've drastically affected pathing (reducing slots) and worst still they've required a fortune in terms of investment in MU speeds, which are not likely to come on stream for months. Hence why most 800's are currently on the Birmingham services, where there are MU speeds. They've been a disaster from an operational point of view with lots of training behind schedule and ultimately they're unable to use Tilt or Tass....which means that eventually ETRMS will create the removal of Tilt from the West Coast... and they've got to go for corrective works as they've not had the upgrades needed to stop cracking!?!

    • @azza5332
      @azza5332 3 месяца назад +1

      Can I ask why is UK high speed rail such a joke? It's a shame, other countries have gotten it right. I've been watching videos of other services across the globe and while not all of them nail it, they're still miles more impressive in terms of speed and value for money. And of course overall design of the trains' interiors. I was actually a fan of the tilting mechanism on the pendolino units, but to now see it removed is quite the upset. Not sure why we always run into difficulty with acquiring new units. Everyone else seems to get it right.

    • @gingertom2355
      @gingertom2355 3 месяца назад +1

      @@azza5332 Who says the Pendolino is losing their tilt mechanism? Don't think so, though the TASS system is now getting on for +20 years old. Indeed, the Pendo's have just completed their mid life overhaul so will be around for many years to come.
      The OP rightly observes the new class 805 / 807 units replace class 221. The latter had tilt capability from new. The new Hitachi trains allegedly can do without tilt as they do have faster acceleration to their lower maximum speed enabling them to achieve similar end to end journey times - even if it is at some expense of track capacity on the UK's busiest main line. Maximum line speed speed and tilt is of course determined for passenger safety and comfort so as not to risk people being thrown off balance around the interior, not the ability of the train to remain on the rails. Then there's the constraint for Colour Light signalling imposing a blanket maximum of 125 mph line speed which in theory ETCS will address.
      For the line south of Warrington that's many years away. HS2 and whatever happens to this in future will be a current issue by then. It makes no sense at all ending High Speed running where the Tory buffoons have left it so I expect that will resolve eventually in some other guise.

  • @ispi_video_photo
    @ispi_video_photo 3 месяца назад +2

    Being Avanti, how long before it's branded "Nevero"?

  • @brickleyyard4966
    @brickleyyard4966 3 месяца назад +4

    I also think if the lner and gwr iet could refit there iets at the first re fit then the iets could be seen as a some what decent trains

    • @henrybn14ar
      @henrybn14ar 3 месяца назад

      Refurbishment will not cure the bad ride quality, which is almost certainly smashing up the track at the same time. 26 metre vehicles with 17 metre bogie centres and 80 cm wheels is asking for trouble, as is the 1 metre gap between vehicles.
      A visit to Sims of Newport would be needed to fix these trains.

    • @tenny_tenten
      @tenny_tenten 3 месяца назад

      ​@@henrybn14arlol scrappers torch
      and you have no services - "You'll be going nowhere" - Paul Tyreman

  • @threesixnine369six
    @threesixnine369six 3 месяца назад +1

    I know flush surface doors are more expensive and technically complex but they just look better on a fast train. Much sleeker.

  • @andrewreynolds4949
    @andrewreynolds4949 3 месяца назад +1

    There is a new ‘MU’ line speed profile that is yet to be commissioned, under which the new trains will be permitted to run at speeds between 110 and 125 mph for much of the route

  • @ohheyitskevinc
    @ohheyitskevinc 3 месяца назад +3

    I’m an expat and hadn’t travelled on UK trains since 2003. My first experience 21 years later was Avanti from Euston to Crewe. Reserved seat was occupied and there were no spare seats. I ended up sat on the floor outside the lav. I took the longer West Midlands one back to London and got a seat. The Avanti livery now gives me PTSD lol

    • @thomasfy4
      @thomasfy4 3 месяца назад

      You can literally get them to move, if they refuse, get the train manager to move them.

    • @ohheyitskevinc
      @ohheyitskevinc 3 месяца назад

      @@thomasfy4yeah tried that - the woman said “no”. The train manager was awol too until halfway between Stafford and Crewe. By which point I had upgraded from the floor to one of those drop down seats outside the toilet courtesy of someone getting off at Stafford. Fun times!

    • @damiendye6623
      @damiendye6623 3 месяца назад

      Yeah Avanti wasn't around 21 years ago so this is all b s

    • @nitroxdriverfrance7598
      @nitroxdriverfrance7598 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@damiendye6623they mentionned 21 years LATER, not in 2003. They had this bad experience this year.

  • @michaeljohndennis2231
    @michaeljohndennis2231 3 месяца назад +2

    Avanti need to take over and massively overhaul the current SailRail product offering, with direct services from Manchester Victoria to Holyhead, timed to meet ferry check-in times to and ferry arrivals from Dublin - in fact, there should be a dedicated SailRail service starting at Hull, via Leeds, Manchester Victoria and onto Holyhead

  • @pbsteamatspeed7683
    @pbsteamatspeed7683 3 месяца назад +2

    First class seems woeful compared to German ICE trains. Better window alignment than Voyagers is a plus however.

  • @bikerguychris33
    @bikerguychris33 3 месяца назад

    Great video pal 😁,
    Judging by what I've seen in your video, I'd say in one way they're a step forwards from the voyager and in another way they're a Step backwards,
    The lack of tilt and reduced power sockets are a Step Backwards, but everything else is a step forward.
    You'd think Hitachi of all companies would have built all their trains to tilt wouldn't you?
    Especially since the Japanese are well known for their cutting edge and reliable technology.

  • @tiago58
    @tiago58 Месяц назад

    Quite a good looking train!
    Strictly speaking, this would be a MST (medium speed train), capable of attaining max operational speed of 250 km/h .
    HSTs (high speed trains) are capable of attaining max operational speeds of 350 km/h (China's Fuxing, France's TGV, etc.) .

  • @danielnesbitt9565
    @danielnesbitt9565 2 месяца назад

    With better seats the Class 800/801/802s could be perfectly decent trains. Sadly the convoluted contract arrangements for the 800/801s likely mean we are stuck with seats until the contract ends, which I bet results in them going straight to the scrapyard as I doubt GBR would be able to get a good deal on a buyout/leasing deal with Agility Trains.

  • @3506Dodge
    @3506Dodge 3 месяца назад +1

    I didn't know Chester was in Wales.

  • @MartinDonkin
    @MartinDonkin 12 дней назад

    Nice trains, but I see there is no fixing the cycle provision on the 80X trains. I just went from London to Manchester on one of the Voyagers, and it was so much easier to get a bike on those older trains.

  • @darksars3622
    @darksars3622 3 месяца назад +2

    Ok, it was not as bad a I first thought, though it can't tilt and the reliability could be a problem, OH and build quality, that is a serious concern

  • @kermito3659
    @kermito3659 3 месяца назад +1

    They used to use class 390's through to Holyhead dragged from crewe by a class 57

  • @coastermad13
    @coastermad13 3 месяца назад

    I remember being on a class 125 and one power car failed and we ran at like 35 mph getting later and later and later.
    Another time, idiots stole the overhead and signal cable between Newcastle and Edinburgh. Whilst a lone train sat in the station, packed, waiting thankfully i was with a train manager so i got live updates of where the driver and crew were for that lone train and caught a bus instead and got into Edinburgh before it even left Newcastle. Fun times

  • @thomasfy4
    @thomasfy4 3 месяца назад

    Yeah I loved the onboard shop on the WCML - after about 10 mins, I needed a wine

  • @robertp.wainman4094
    @robertp.wainman4094 3 месяца назад +2

    Like most trains in the UK - it's not BIG enough!!!

  • @patrickwhite3127
    @patrickwhite3127 3 месяца назад +3

    Has Crewe moved nearer to Liverpool?

  • @eyybabyj1397
    @eyybabyj1397 Месяц назад

    I'm going to London From Chester end of August hope it's this new train

  • @s125ish
    @s125ish 3 месяца назад +1

    The seats in first class seem low down compared to the pendolinos and standard section.

  • @weifengjiang7579
    @weifengjiang7579 3 месяца назад

    Good interior layout in standard class - really like the well aligned 5 bays in the middle. Think Hitachi is being unfairly singled out for the bad IET interiors - it's down to customer specification (blame the DfT). Avanti seems to have done a good job with choosing seats and seating layouts.

    • @isamuldn
      @isamuldn 3 месяца назад

      Agree, have travelled on Hitachis many times in Japan and they’re great. Difference is Japanese railways companies that care about comfort not just dividends

  • @Jnthnpg
    @Jnthnpg 3 месяца назад

    I slightly disagree with “all British trains” for catering in FC; I think LNER do a good service for FC, pretty good hot food and free drinks.

  • @malins12345
    @malins12345 Месяц назад

    Sorry couldn't see it in the comments, what was the name of the speedometer app you used? It seemed clever that it told you the line you were on!

  • @Dinoteddi
    @Dinoteddi 3 месяца назад +3

    I wonder what the time difference between these and voyagers are, as the 805s have far better acceleration than the voyagers iirc, which should make up for the 110MPH speeds on the WCML instead of the 125 seen on Voyagers

    • @91Durktheturk
      @91Durktheturk 3 месяца назад

      For Liverpool diagrams they will take 10 mins longer. But perhaps on some avanti routes with many intermediate stops, their acceleration might mean diagram times stay the same. Not sure though.

    • @andrewreynolds4949
      @andrewreynolds4949 3 месяца назад

      I believe it will be 5 minutes slower than the 390 once the new line speed profile is commissioned, something like 8-10 minutes slower currently

  • @Pilloledisaggezza_italy
    @Pilloledisaggezza_italy Месяц назад +1

    Brit here living italy, I get uptight thinking that the UK cannot get it's act together on real high-speed trains >=250 km/h. Another thing is the pricing, absolute cr@p...way too dear. The recent governments really have lost the plot.

  • @richarddastardly6845
    @richarddastardly6845 3 месяца назад +1

    I like the train and the Avanti livery

  • @jacobporrett
    @jacobporrett 3 месяца назад

    They look good. Will have to try one at some point.

  • @jasperli
    @jasperli 3 месяца назад

    They’re finally in service!

  • @jameskenny4455
    @jameskenny4455 Месяц назад +1

    Lack of tilt is a big no no in passenger experience.

  • @Spacebug111
    @Spacebug111 3 месяца назад +1

    Next time i go to london ill try to get one of these new trains

  • @foobar83
    @foobar83 2 месяца назад

    wow first class looks dire vs pendolino I wonder what weekday catering will be like

  • @athanasiostrushi9004
    @athanasiostrushi9004 3 месяца назад +2

    How these trains will replace the super voyagers when the hitachi are not able to run north of Preston? 😮😮

    • @andrewreynolds4949
      @andrewreynolds4949 3 месяца назад

      There is a reshuffle taking place with the 390 fleet. They have published which trains will be running which diagrams somewhere online

  • @leonidmironov2546
    @leonidmironov2546 3 месяца назад

    Great Video! thank you! did they mention anything on the timeline for Pendolino updates after teh current refresh? in the 2030s?

  • @timbounds7190
    @timbounds7190 3 месяца назад +2

    Normal Bizarre UK rail journey - track faults / cancelled trains and a seemingly entirely pointless diversion through Northampton! At least the seats and windows line up much better than most modern UK trains.

  • @stellwyn
    @stellwyn 3 месяца назад

    I was supposed to take this train home from Chester to London... of course it was cancelled! (not because of the track fault, this was later in the day) No new train experience for me. This happens so often with Avanti it's almost a disappointment when I don't get any delay repay lol

  • @michaelweinberg4073
    @michaelweinberg4073 3 месяца назад +3

    In contrast I think the Avanti livery is awful.
    Great blocks of colourv in no particular pattern with blobs of orange here and there.
    Trains look far more elegant with stripes along the length rather than perpendiculer. Cf Azumas, Rail jets, Swiss inter-cities and German ICE's.

  • @ace-paidinfull5240
    @ace-paidinfull5240 2 месяца назад

    The avanti livery is ok, but im sorry with regards to other iets, hull trains has to have first place, second is probably lumo, then transpenine, then emr, then avanti, then lner and then gwr.
    I didnt miss any did i?

  • @SWTROfficial
    @SWTROfficial 3 месяца назад

    9:59 285 miles from Glasgow although avanti don’t run to Glasgow with stopping Lichfield T.V trains anymore

  • @kevinbeasley946
    @kevinbeasley946 Месяц назад +2

    Ohh wow another slow train, I saw the Maglev line recently in Japan that’s being built at present ok it won’t fully open until 2034. But in tests the train has reached 603 KMH. (375 MPH) I think they are restricting the speed when it opens to a slow 505 KMH (313 MPH) ,

  • @neilburns8869
    @neilburns8869 3 месяца назад +3

    At first glance I am not really that impressed with the Evero.
    In fact it doesn't really look too different from the Trans Penine Express Novo 1 or 2, inside or out.
    The train and the train company who run it, have no real soul.

  • @jessicamorgan3073
    @jessicamorgan3073 3 месяца назад

    Good video, but why wasn't the echo identified/corrected earlier?

  • @manomaylr
    @manomaylr 3 месяца назад

    They do need to consider reforming the GWR / LNER sets with the nicer seating.

  • @ace-paidinfull5240
    @ace-paidinfull5240 2 месяца назад

    This was a good watch