I live in the bay area and currently learning front end development. Your videos give me the edge that I need to start once i am fully ready to go apply for jobs/internships!
I would never wait around for a company to make a call while I leave my job before I sign on the line! I went for a high paying UI/UX developer role for JPMC, nearly had it after 3 interviews and still didn’t land it. A company can pull the rug at any moment in the process so I agree 1,000%! Stay sharp and always have the transition timing down.
dude, for real. Like companies do not care at all. I guess you could say 2 weeks after all my paperwork has cleared, and you should be set. Also, not sure what the "software engineer" part of the title has to do with anything. Sounds irrelevant as this can happen with any job and company.
In Denmark I believe the law is to give 1 months notice. And in general the norm is to give current month + a month. Now that might be the last day of the current month or just somewhere in it. And you'd never leave until you've signed your contract at the new place.
I dealt with this sterling company as well. Took forever to verify old work and process my background check. Took over a month for me to get started. Very frustrating and stressful times!
I don’t resign until my background check clears. Even if it means that there is a reduced notice. Employment in the United States is at-will except for in Montana.
Thank you good information! I keep hearing horror stories about recruiters just giving people the run around. I've been out of the job hunting game for almost 15 years now and it doesn't sit well with me that I may have to start looking with all of these offshore people being hired - replacing tech positions :-(
Waiting for 5 or 6 weeks to know and/ or definitely start a new job and one is currently not working is too stressful to contemplate Glad it worked out for you but the moral is NEVER put oneself in this vulnerable precarious position because it could lead to negative financial as well emotional consequences Many thanks for sharing, sir
In my asian country, we have a document called coe ( certificate of employment) so if that website cant verify you, you have document. That coe document contains the HR of your former company to call, anytime for your background check.
I can’t remember if they used Sterling or not but the job I’m working now had the same issues with being unable to verify jobs and damn near every reference and HR professional i personally knew had left every job 🙃 i gave them W2s and everything and they couldn’t even verify the dates right. It was literally only i believe 3 jobs over the previous 3 years all for a year at least with one of them being fully remote to the point i really only knew my trainer and manager. There has to be a way for a universal system to just start up or something to avoid these issues. I still got the job but i felt that same worry
I made a huge mistake for leaving my first company for excess work after 5 years though. In my second company I was sent home unpaid for 3 months after 4 years and my third company I was fired after 6 months. Just practising kickboxing and watching taekwondo sports and playing lottery with hopes that God can help after being in unemployment twice now.
I have being looking for a job as software engineer for more than two years, and nothing. My life is a living hell. After a few years working as RoR developer I think I’m banned somehow. It’s insane but it’s too much coincidence. It’s mathematically impossible to have such bad luck. Nobody hires me anymore. I regret my decisions of the past every single F day!!
Totally get it. 7 years in and just one interview is frustrating. Trying to explore other options myself because software engineering isn't quite the fit anymore. Keep your head up!
Hi Brian, interesting story and sounds familiar. But in my case it is the norm where your employer takes about 1 month and a half to check your entire background. I work for an employer who is employed by the federal government and this is standard procedure. I am assuming the third party organization decided to perform a deeper check. Because something wasn’t matching. So usually they tend to send your credentials to homeland security, FBI and that can take more than a month, usually 5 weeks plus. The norm for me is 6 weeks. Happy you got over this hump, best wishes.
Yeah, I waited for the background check to finish to give my two weeks notice and start date. I had to send an enormous amount of paperwork for the background check.
As an employee you shouldn't worry too much about giving notice to employer when you're changing jobs. I never have. I always make sure the new job is secured and I have my start date that the new employer provides. I don't choose my own start date because really I have no control over that. If that means my former employer gets a few days notice, I do not care.
I like the way you think. I never understood why employees are supposed to require a two week notice.. when employers don't give any notices when they're going to fire someone, so yeah I do the same thing I don't give any notices to employers, best thing I learned from my Dad is this when I do interviews and the question comes up "when can you start" I always say "sir/ma'am I will be happy to start tomorrow or when ever you require me to start." Right now I'm studying code so I can quit my dead end job in a warehouse that I don't like to one day hopefully get a career in tech. I'm not going to give them no two week notice when I know for a fact they won't give me a two week notice if they decide to fire me, in the field I'm currently in I know I'm easily replaceable to them.
Yep, i dont mess around! I won't give my 2 weeks unless I know 100 percent that i got the job and even then if i have to ill leave on the spot and not give a notice .. depends on the bridge
I had a similar issue with Sterling. I had to submit a bunch of extra documents, etc. Luckily I didn't resign from previous job before everything cleared. But yea, I've never experienced a background check and verification having so many issues as it did with Sterling. Especially for a clean background and work history with well established and known employers. All I can point to is widespread incompetence by Sterling.
Something quite similar happened to me but it was not due to any clarification, but that the 3rd party company didn't approve the project after I was already hired for this, so they made us wait (I say us because there were 2 more guys like me waiting for this team) about a month and a half, and with little (almost none) communication to tell us what was going on. I used that time to study, and then they tell us the project didn't work so we would be moved to another project. Funny enough, they said "don't worry, it's a general interview" but then it was really a technical interview. Good thing I was prepared and I got into the team, but one of the guys didn't and he was almost fired (the company gave him "a second chance"). I think they shouldn't have lied to us in the first place and tell us we should get ready and prepared, especially if they want us to be accepted in a project. Well... I think we cannot give for granted any job or any company, it's a good advice you give in this video especially for those with children or family that also depend on this job.
unfortunately this is pretty common in the tech industry. I had a friend who got a tech job with high security clearance that took almost 3 months to clear. They asked him his tentative start date however like you, he didnt set it in stone until after it was cleared . Turned out it was about 30 days after. Lesson learned here is new employers are generally flexible even if they do not appear to be. They of course would like you as soon as possible but a reasonable understands you can just jump through loops and abandon your previous job. If they really want you, they will hold out for a little longer than they initially wanted. And if they are not willing, that is a red flag for you
It will be fine is great for them but you get left high and dry. The last one I offered a tentative date and said once everything had cleared I will work through it. They said it will go through, which it did but it took longer than expected.
Well this story is ended differently than I thought it would when you said you made a mistake. I thought you were gonna say that you quit your job and then all of a sudden they gave you a technical interview that you weren’t prepared for and didn’t get the position. But I’m guessing by the time you’re in a senior position, it’s less likely to have a technical interview than it is for a junior position
Truthfully they should have never offered you the job until your background cleared. I work for the government and that is how they do it. It can take up to 3 months for all your paperwork to clear before they actually give you an offer letter.
If I know I want to leave a job I usually save about 20 days of holiday. I start my new job on the say day I start my holiday and I make sure it overlaps with my pay period. That way I get paid by both employers.
In my state, you are not entitled to any vacation pay even if you give two weeks notice. Some of my coworkers have given two weeks notice and didn’t come into work for two weeks to take their vacation pay. Your manager can walk you straight out the door if you refuse to answer their questions. I didn’t have to worry about any of that nonsense because I was working in a contract position. They didn’t even ask me what my new employer was going to pay me. They knew that I was severely underpaid and wouldn’t even try to match it.
Sterling is awful! If your former employers do not use The Work Number for employment verifications - they (Sterling) don’t know what to do. Also, with the drug screenings with them, the lab told me they (Sterling) were awful too. What I did was I scheduled the appointment at LabQuest through Sterling using their lab orders…. Then I immediately called my doctor and have him send me lab orders for the same drug screen. Took both orders with me to the appointment and had them send one report to Sterling and one to my doctor…… then when Sterling blamed the lab for delaying the results (which the lab doesn’t do), I emailed them the results from my doctors patients portal with the collection date and time (same as Sterling lab order) and they were speechless. Had call from the recruiter 20 minutes after I went rounds with Sterling. They don’t do nothing until you make them do something. They outsource their work overseas which is half the problem with them… but still these companies keep using them!
WTF this is new to me although I changed, like, 9 jobs so far. In such case I would tell them to shove their job where it relieves! I would rather go for some temporary freelancing job for a couple of months until I find a more respectful and worthy company to work for. These sh*t corporate must understand slavery game is over, especially for software engineers. If we raise the bar of the world (which we do) this f**ked world must behave with us!
3 interviews just to get 1 job? This is why it's better to work for yourself and try to do freelancing or something, corporations are way too picky nowadays...
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I live in the bay area and currently learning front end development. Your videos give me the edge that I need to start once i am fully ready to go apply for jobs/internships!
Thanks for sharing this. I’m in this exact same position right now, and I’m gonna definitely wait until my background check clears.
Wow, thanks for sharing your experience! I would’ve freaked out!
I would never wait around for a company to make a call while I leave my job before I sign on the line! I went for a high paying UI/UX developer role for JPMC, nearly had it after 3 interviews and still didn’t land it. A company can pull the rug at any moment in the process so I agree 1,000%! Stay sharp and always have the transition timing down.
dude, for real. Like companies do not care at all.
I guess you could say 2 weeks after all my paperwork has cleared, and you should be set.
Also, not sure what the "software engineer" part of the title has to do with anything. Sounds irrelevant as this can happen with any job and company.
In Denmark I believe the law is to give 1 months notice. And in general the norm is to give current month + a month. Now that might be the last day of the current month or just somewhere in it. And you'd never leave until you've signed your contract at the new place.
Good to know. I'm about to start putting in applications. I'll make sure to use caution.
What a great video Brian! Thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom!
man I'm glad it all worked out in the end, that must have been scary!
I dealt with this sterling company as well. Took forever to verify old work and process my background check. Took over a month for me to get started. Very frustrating and stressful times!
That’s why you don’t give your two-week until your bg check is clear.
thank you for the advice!
this is something needs to appreaciate for. People like you helps a lot..Blessed day sir
Glad to help
I don’t resign until my background check clears. Even if it means that there is a reduced notice. Employment in the United States is at-will except for in Montana.
I don't resign until the day of working the new job, use your sick time to work the new job to make sure it all works out then bounce.
Thank you good information! I keep hearing horror stories about recruiters just giving people the run around. I've been out of the job hunting game for almost 15 years now and it doesn't sit well with me that I may have to start looking with all of these offshore people being hired - replacing tech positions :-(
Yea! Many people are being hired in other countries since it’s cheaper
Waiting for 5 or 6 weeks to know and/ or definitely start a new job and one is currently not working is too stressful to contemplate
Glad it worked out for you but the moral is NEVER put oneself in this vulnerable precarious position because it could lead to negative financial as well emotional consequences
Many thanks for sharing, sir
I hardly ever give a 2 week notice. I wait until the first day of the new job then send a professional email resigning effective immediately.
Sterling did me the same way.
Lucky you!
I usually give a month long notice, it has worked out perfectly for me
In my asian country, we have a document called coe ( certificate of employment) so if that website cant verify you, you have document.
That coe document contains the HR of your former company to call, anytime for your background check.
This is great advice. It;s not your "new job" until you have started.
I can’t remember if they used Sterling or not but the job I’m working now had the same issues with being unable to verify jobs and damn near every reference and HR professional i personally knew had left every job 🙃 i gave them W2s and everything and they couldn’t even verify the dates right. It was literally only i believe 3 jobs over the previous 3 years all for a year at least with one of them being fully remote to the point i really only knew my trainer and manager. There has to be a way for a universal system to just start up or something to avoid these issues. I still got the job but i felt that same worry
love your content man you’re going to blow up sooner or later
I made a huge mistake for leaving my first company for excess work after 5 years though. In my second company I was sent home unpaid for 3 months after 4 years and my third company I was fired after 6 months. Just practising kickboxing and watching taekwondo sports and playing lottery with hopes that God can help after being in unemployment twice now.
Sorry man! We won’t make that mistake again
I have being looking for a job as software engineer for more than two years, and nothing. My life is a living hell. After a few years working as RoR developer I think I’m banned somehow. It’s insane but it’s too much coincidence. It’s mathematically impossible to have such bad luck. Nobody hires me anymore. I regret my decisions of the past every single F day!!
Totally get it. 7 years in and just one interview is frustrating. Trying to explore other options myself because software engineering isn't quite the fit anymore. Keep your head up!
@@jacobwilliam9093I've been thinking of getting into coding and programming. And later AI and ML . What advise would you give me as a beginner
having a software engineering job in the first place is the issue for a lot of us lol
Facts 😅
Gold😊
Hi Brian, interesting story and sounds familiar. But in my case it is the norm where your employer takes about 1 month and a half to check your entire background. I work for an employer who is employed by the federal government and this is standard procedure. I am assuming the third party organization decided to perform a deeper check. Because something wasn’t matching. So usually they tend to send your credentials to homeland security, FBI and that can take more than a month, usually 5 weeks plus. The norm for me is 6 weeks. Happy you got over this hump, best wishes.
My heart goes to you!
That’s crazy but I’m glad it still had a happy ending
Yeah, I waited for the background check to finish to give my two weeks notice and start date. I had to send an enormous amount of paperwork for the background check.
Won’t ever make that mistake again lol
Thanks so much for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
As an employee you shouldn't worry too much about giving notice to employer when you're changing jobs. I never have. I always make sure the new job is secured and I have my start date that the new employer provides. I don't choose my own start date because really I have no control over that. If that means my former employer gets a few days notice, I do not care.
I like the way you think. I never understood why employees are supposed to require a two week notice.. when employers don't give any notices when they're going to fire someone, so yeah I do the same thing I don't give any notices to employers, best thing I learned from my Dad is this when I do interviews and the question comes up "when can you start" I always say "sir/ma'am I will be happy to start tomorrow or when ever you require me to start."
Right now I'm studying code so I can quit my dead end job in a warehouse that I don't like to one day hopefully get a career in tech.
I'm not going to give them no two week notice when I know for a fact they won't give me a two week notice if they decide to fire me, in the field I'm currently in I know I'm easily replaceable to them.
Yep, i dont mess around! I won't give my 2 weeks unless I know 100 percent that i got the job and even then if i have to ill leave on the spot and not give a notice .. depends on the bridge
have been working in tech since 2011 and never had to take drug test, once have been asked background check by customer
The drug test is common for contractors.
I had a similar issue with Sterling. I had to submit a bunch of extra documents, etc. Luckily I didn't resign from previous job before everything cleared. But yea, I've never experienced a background check and verification having so many issues as it did with Sterling. Especially for a clean background and work history with well established and known employers. All I can point to is widespread incompetence by Sterling.
Something quite similar happened to me but it was not due to any clarification, but that the 3rd party company didn't approve the project after I was already hired for this, so they made us wait (I say us because there were 2 more guys like me waiting for this team) about a month and a half, and with little (almost none) communication to tell us what was going on. I used that time to study, and then they tell us the project didn't work so we would be moved to another project. Funny enough, they said "don't worry, it's a general interview" but then it was really a technical interview. Good thing I was prepared and I got into the team, but one of the guys didn't and he was almost fired (the company gave him "a second chance"). I think they shouldn't have lied to us in the first place and tell us we should get ready and prepared, especially if they want us to be accepted in a project.
Well... I think we cannot give for granted any job or any company, it's a good advice you give in this video especially for those with children or family that also depend on this job.
Will never make that mistake again lol thanks for watching!
thanks for that video Bro
unfortunately this is pretty common in the tech industry. I had a friend who got a tech job with high security clearance that took almost 3 months to clear. They asked him his tentative start date however like you, he didnt set it in stone until after it was cleared . Turned out it was about 30 days after.
Lesson learned here is new employers are generally flexible even if they do not appear to be. They of course would like you as soon as possible but a reasonable understands you can just jump through loops and abandon your previous job. If they really want you, they will hold out for a little longer than they initially wanted. And if they are not willing, that is a red flag for you
That makes NO sense.
It will be fine is great for them but you get left high and dry. The last one I offered a tentative date and said once everything had cleared I will work through it. They said it will go through, which it did but it took longer than expected.
Well this story is ended differently than I thought it would when you said you made a mistake. I thought you were gonna say that you quit your job and then all of a sudden they gave you a technical interview that you weren’t prepared for and didn’t get the position. But I’m guessing by the time you’re in a senior position, it’s less likely to have a technical interview than it is for a junior position
@@brian-cache how does it change
Truthfully they should have never offered you the job until your background cleared. I work for the government and that is how they do it. It can take up to 3 months for all your paperwork to clear before they actually give you an offer letter.
I definitely won't make that mistake again
If I know I want to leave a job I usually save about 20 days of holiday. I start my new job on the say day I start my holiday and I make sure it overlaps with my pay period. That way I get paid by both employers.
In my state, you are not entitled to any vacation pay even if you give two weeks notice. Some of my coworkers have given two weeks notice and didn’t come into work for two weeks to take their vacation pay. Your manager can walk you straight out the door if you refuse to answer their questions. I didn’t have to worry about any of that nonsense because I was working in a contract position. They didn’t even ask me what my new employer was going to pay me. They knew that I was severely underpaid and wouldn’t even try to match it.
Sterling is awful! If your former employers do not use The Work Number for employment verifications - they (Sterling) don’t know what to do. Also, with the drug screenings with them, the lab told me they (Sterling) were awful too. What I did was I scheduled the appointment at LabQuest through Sterling using their lab orders…. Then I immediately called my doctor and have him send me lab orders for the same drug screen. Took both orders with me to the appointment and had them send one report to Sterling and one to my doctor…… then when Sterling blamed the lab for delaying the results (which the lab doesn’t do), I emailed them the results from my doctors patients portal with the collection date and time (same as Sterling lab order) and they were speechless. Had call from the recruiter 20 minutes after I went rounds with Sterling. They don’t do nothing until you make them do something. They outsource their work overseas which is half the problem with them… but still these companies keep using them!
I barely get interviews in software engineering positions
From job hopping to job hoping
A drug test for a coding job??
This US culture or something? 😂😂😂
The right thing to do is leave ASAP. I give no lead time if they want to hire me I'm gone.
Sue Sterling
WTF this is new to me although I changed, like, 9 jobs so far. In such case I would tell them to shove their job where it relieves! I would rather go for some temporary freelancing job for a couple of months until I find a more respectful and worthy company to work for. These sh*t corporate must understand slavery game is over, especially for software engineers. If we raise the bar of the world (which we do) this f**ked world must behave with us!
Nice video
Yep
Sir do you earn 150k dollars a year? Plz reply. Thanks a lot.
Sterling Background Checks are 100% hot garbage. It took 2 months to do my background check.
They are the worst lol
Sounds like an unprofessional org to me.
definitely
Drug test? I thought Only call centers and walmart did that lol. Good story man. I've heard stories like this and it sucks,.
I'm chaning my whole career
Click bait…
3 interviews just to get 1 job? This is why it's better to work for yourself and try to do freelancing or something, corporations are way too picky nowadays...