At long last---someone that knows how to start a cold Detriot. Turn it over with no fuel for a few seconds, give it a little throttle and start it. The initial turning over creates HEAT in the combustion chamber and the short wait to then start it allows that heat to warm the chamber/upper cyl. and voila! it starts! Thanks. Also to the people that comment on double-clutching ----all that does is excersise your leg--you don`t need a clutch except for starting off.
The other thing the 15 second, no throttle cranking does is it pumps fuel to the injector tops. Because a Detroit engine returns unused fuel to the tank, it can bleed it's own fuel lines of air by cranking the engine with no throttle. The real trick is to wait for 30 to 60 seconds before the second crank. This allows the heat built on the cylinder head to spread to the walls of the cylinder and also warms up the injector a tad bit.
The bus has 2 rods heading from the steering column to the transmission. One is 1st and 2nd gear, and the other is 3rd and 4th. Each linkage either pushes or pulls. Relatively simple.
Exactly 1 year ago today, I drove my new silversides down I-10 through Tuscon. I bought it in Reno days earlier and sailed it 2219 miles home to New Orleans. It only left me stranded on the side of the road about twice a day throughout that trip.
Seems like that bus rally may have cost you more money than you thought it would. I hope you're back up and rolling soon. It just might feel like a new bus when Scott is through with it.. Good luck.
I trained a kid to do general repairs on cars and pickups. One year he got into trouble and did community service working in a school bus garage. He was under a bus with a flat mounted Detroit and he noticed a wire caught under the valve cover. He pointed it out to the super and the guy was relieved to finally discover the source of their massive leak. The kid was good on principal and thinking things through and helped the short staff catch up on lots of backlog. They were sad to see him go.
@@lieutenantdan417 When you die and possibly make it to heaven you will be greeted by St. Peter and i believe GOD will make sure he is black to humble YOU !!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Man I love the old 8 and 671's. Yeah people may while about the noise and their unique power curve for a diesel but you will be hard pressed to find a tougher engine on this planet. Keep Screaming Jimmies!!!
I like the way they sound when they wind up. They used to be everywhere when I was a kid. My dad drove a gmc cabover with one. Even the school buses had them. I forgot all about them until a couple years ago. I heard one in the woods by my house. It was a machine used to load logs on the trucks.
Another great job Scott! For those out there that like the sound of Detroit 2 strokes, I remember as a young man hearing what had sounded like a D.D. , only to find out that the engine was a White Diesel!! White had purchased a co. called Superior Diesel in the 1950'. The engine was an I-6 and sounded more like a giant vaccum cleaner!! White wanted to have their own line of engines like their competitor, Mack.
Over 40 years ago I did two years of diesel tech in high school. I mostly focused on Detroit 6-71s and 8V-71 series Diesels. I always thought they were marvelous. I think I could still adjust the rack and governor on one. I still have the tools in my box somewhere.
Nice goin' on the double clutch instruction, Scott. He got it right on the first try. I've been driving buses 65 years and still double clutch. I don't like the back lash on the drive train with clutchless shifting and double clutching provides a smoother ride for my passengers.
Love old Silversides, haven't seen one running in a long time. A member of the Church I used to attend, had one that had close to 3 Million miles on it before engine FAILED. Had been used by a Greyhound backup bus in Arizona as late as mid 1960's before purchased & conversation to a Mobile Home/Office.
Driving that same vehicle on the highways in Québec, Canada would cost you a towing and a fine.Love that Detroit diesel sound! Budd Manufacturing Co, had autorails with Detroit diesels tuck underneath the railcar.Very impressive!
Get rid of the air steering. I went from 7.5 turns lock to lock with air steering to 3.5 turns lock to lock with Sheppard hydraulic steering and finger tip steering. Best conversion I made.
I just saw a nice 1950s? diesel bus in the recycling yard. Looks to be complete just needs a little tlc. The engine is green. Dont know much about buses but looks to be complete. You guys may want to get it and save it.
This old thing is really cool, and I still say there's nothing that sounds like an old Detroit. Most of my tractor trailer experiences are with Cummins, Cat, and Intertrashonal. Also, I don't double clutch, I float gears, the only time I use the clutch is when I'm coming to a stop and when I'm starting out. My current trucks are both (I have two, one day cab and one sleeper) Pete 367s with a 550 horse Cummins and an Eaton 18 speed, both pulling 47' step decks and both are tandem axle winch trucks with a pusher axle.
Mexico (City) had a ton of V-Drive automatics with the Detroit. Many were parked at central terminals because of transmission problems. No one knew how to fix them. After the U.S. loaned Mexico tons of money in the 80's, a friend of mine went to Quintana Roo to help out on an irrigation project. The Mexican govt was pushing back the jungle with heavy equipment they bought. My friend saw tons of road building equipment in the weeds. Much of it still had paint on the tracks. As far back as you could see, every time there was lump in the foliage, there was a new piece of abandoned equipment underneath. He thinks the problem on many of these machines was contaminated fuel. Note: As they would go deeper into the jungle, any rock temple/shrine they encountered was demolished and ground up into road base.
DPL 26 because in less than 24 hrs the new owner who is unfamiliar with the bus was going to drive it 2500 miles home. And he did get home with no issues
Doible clutching says a lot about your experience, old age and old schooled are 2 different things ... that driver is fully mature but the Tech is definitely old schooled..
Fun fact, right when you got on the highway, I though about, did you tried turning it left? because all turns was right. Now I feel like David Copperfield :D
On I-10 west of Tucson! Speed limit 75 with average traffic sped 80+! Most of those drivers started in El Paso or Albuquerque many hours ago and are dog tired.
Man, I wish I could put a Detroit 2 stroke in my 89 Suburban instead of the 350. I'm sure it would run better and get better mileage. Plus I'd be the only one in my town with one!
do you know about gmc tdh 3501 and tdh 4905 would either of them make a good motor home conversation. what years where they produced . dont know if 3501 could handle long interstate driving. I've had a 2 stroke detroit powered semi tractor, i dont know about buses., just like 3501s look, i rode them as a kid. what is the gmc transit bus from the late 60s early 70s and could be a motor home. thanks
They jam easily. Hold the lever up firmly when shifting from first to second, and don't push down when shifting from second to third until the lever is in neutral position.
The break in procedure is to put it under a heavy load for 50-100 miles with no idling. The only way to do that is on the highway in most cases. It’s not going to ruin anyone’s day in the middle of Arizona with little to no traffic and lots of lanes wide open.
Were those 110V outlets in the engine compartment? Was that a common thing to find on these, and what were they used for? My first thought was "power tools" but if you have the engine running to generate power you probably wouldn't be doing much in the engine compartment!
how far do you guys go to find these old busses? there is a guy on facebook who found 1 on route 66 in Lebanon MO. he says it's missing an engine but who knows you might have one sitting around.
New subscriber early March 2019, May I ask what part of the country this bus was picked up? Much different terrain from your other videos...Green to Brown!
@@BusGreaseMonkey I love the old Detroit's however I feel for you working on a buss the really cram them in there cant wait for the next one you get. good job bringing them back to life
@@BusGreaseMonkey That is great. I love the column shift. Overall, do you think these are dependable to travel in? Work horses? Have a super great week!
I travel in the same model about 30k miles a year and it’s very dependable. Don’t over heat it, keep oil in it and it’s a beast that won’t let you down.
I love that they went on the freeway to test drive a huge old bus, respect.
I know right, because fuck it, if it goes wrong why not fuck up everybody's day too 😂😂
I want to see that beauty from outside. Did you film that?
@@emeraldzebra9360 Why don't you go somewhere and learn to talk.
i love the noise of engines series 71 .
Its AMERICA land of the free they dont have stoopid laws like the rest of us do in Europe! If your cars the wrong color in Germany they arrest you😕
At long last---someone that knows how to start a cold Detriot. Turn it over with no fuel for a few seconds, give it a little throttle and start it. The initial turning over creates HEAT in the combustion chamber and the short wait to then start it allows that heat to warm the chamber/upper cyl. and voila! it starts! Thanks. Also to the people that comment on double-clutching ----all that does is excersise your leg--you don`t need a clutch except for starting off.
Fuller Johnson
Yup I can’t think of the last time I saw it done right.
And not a can of starting fluid in sight !!
double clutching for me , was to grab rpm. Once to take off, once to hit some R's
It helps if you don't know how to drive, like this guy. There's no way he has a CDL
The other thing the 15 second, no throttle cranking does is it pumps fuel to the injector tops. Because a Detroit engine returns unused fuel to the tank, it can bleed it's own fuel lines of air by cranking the engine with no throttle. The real trick is to wait for 30 to 60 seconds before the second crank. This allows the heat built on the cylinder head to spread to the walls of the cylinder and also warms up the injector a tad bit.
I do this on all diesels that need it and can do it.
I have never seen a full size bus with a column stick shift. Amazing.
Ray G Yes, same here. I wasn’t able to catch how many gears the trans is. Obviously more than 3 I would think. Good Day to You!
Silversides bus is a 4 speed on the column. The only one I’m aware of.
I’m amazed at the amount of linkages to get that to the rear of the bus.
I was surprised by that as well. Kinda neat.
The bus has 2 rods heading from the steering column to the transmission. One is 1st and 2nd gear, and the other is 3rd and 4th. Each linkage either pushes or pulls. Relatively simple.
Exactly 1 year ago today, I drove my new silversides down I-10 through Tuscon. I bought it in Reno days earlier and sailed it 2219 miles home to New Orleans. It only left me stranded on the side of the road about twice a day throughout that trip.
Patrick Boudreaux and a year later your bus is doing great.
Seems like that bus rally may have cost you more money than you thought it would. I hope you're back up and rolling soon. It just might feel like a new bus when Scott is through with it.. Good luck.
Sucks to be you .
U2 doc
I trained a kid to do general repairs on cars and pickups. One year he got into trouble and did community service working in a school bus garage. He was under a bus with a flat mounted Detroit and he noticed a wire caught under the valve cover. He pointed it out to the super and the guy was relieved to finally discover the source of their massive leak. The kid was good on principal and thinking things through and helped the short staff catch up on lots of backlog. They were sad to see him go.
Asssuming black. Otherwise would be an upstanding citizen.
@@lieutenantdan417 Hispanic
@@obsoleteprofessor2034 wasnt white so doesnt matter
@@lieutenantdan417 When you die and possibly make it to heaven you will be greeted by St. Peter and i believe GOD will make sure he is black to humble YOU !!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cool story bro.
Man I love the old 8 and 671's. Yeah people may while about the noise and their unique power curve for a diesel but you will be hard pressed to find a tougher engine on this planet. Keep Screaming Jimmies!!!
They were almost indestructible, just keep pouring oil in em, and they'll run forever.
I like the way they sound when they wind up. They used to be everywhere when I was a kid. My dad drove a gmc cabover with one. Even the school buses had them. I forgot all about them until a couple years ago. I heard one in the woods by my house. It was a machine used to load logs on the trucks.
That's just freaking awesome, you never forget when you are involved in this type of stuff.
Another great job Scott! For those out there that like the sound of Detroit 2 strokes, I remember as a young man hearing what had sounded like a D.D. , only to find out that the engine was a White Diesel!! White had purchased a co. called Superior Diesel in the 1950'. The engine was an I-6 and sounded more like a giant vaccum cleaner!! White wanted to have their own line of engines like their competitor, Mack.
Over 40 years ago I did two years of diesel tech in high school. I mostly focused on Detroit 6-71s and 8V-71 series Diesels. I always thought they were marvelous. I think I could still adjust the rack and governor on one. I still have the tools in my box somewhere.
This video was worth it for the easiest explanation of double clutching ever
Granny shifting, not double clutching like you should.
Nice goin' on the double clutch instruction, Scott. He got it right on the first try. I've been driving buses 65 years and still double clutch. I don't like the back lash on the drive train with clutchless shifting and double clutching provides a smoother ride for my passengers.
Good point
5:50 Excellent description of how to double clutch and save a lot of grinding
My father was shop foreman for Trailways in Alexandria, LA for 38 years.
The inside looks all rotted and rusty. kudos for starting it up and driving it. No matter how long it sat there it still started right up!
Love old Silversides, haven't seen one running in a long time. A member of the Church I used to attend, had one that had close to 3 Million miles on it before engine FAILED. Had been used by a Greyhound backup bus in Arizona as late as mid 1960's before purchased & conversation to a Mobile Home/Office.
One of the great series of engines my fave Detroits are the series 71 ,series 92 and series 50
Driving that same vehicle on the highways in Québec, Canada would cost you a towing and a fine.Love that Detroit diesel sound! Budd Manufacturing Co, had autorails with Detroit diesels tuck underneath the railcar.Very impressive!
Wish you success with a very old diesel- we get what we pay for- with the utmost respect--
Get rid of the air steering. I went from 7.5 turns lock to lock with air steering to 3.5 turns lock to lock with Sheppard hydraulic steering and finger tip steering. Best conversion I made.
It is not too quick. Really nice to have steering that more duplicates your car.
I initially thought it wouldn't have power steering at all.
It diddn't have power steering when it was new. The air assist was probably added later.
Great video! I drove my friend's seated Silverside on a few historic charters years ago (PD-4151)
love the Detroit noise, I used to drive a GMC Brigadier General tractor, could slam the gears, forget the clutch just float it
I just saw a nice 1950s? diesel bus in the recycling yard. Looks to be complete just needs a little tlc. The engine is green. Dont know much about buses but looks to be complete. You guys may want to get it and save it.
Sweet sounding Detroit.
Tell that wild cat behind the wheel to keep it above 55
"Tell that wildcat not to slow down though. You won't even get the chance to bleed to death, and Jack,
DON'T SLIP."
I see what you did there!! RESPECT!!
You guys are great with these old babies
This old thing is really cool, and I still say there's nothing that sounds like an old Detroit. Most of my tractor trailer experiences are with Cummins, Cat, and Intertrashonal. Also, I don't double clutch, I float gears, the only time I use the clutch is when I'm coming to a stop and when I'm starting out. My current trucks are both (I have two, one day cab and one sleeper) Pete 367s with a 550 horse Cummins and an Eaton 18 speed, both pulling 47' step decks and both are tandem axle winch trucks with a pusher axle.
The engine reminds me of a 1958 Edsel that I had years ago!
love the old skool busses 👍
Gosh I miss my silverside. I had a 48. This brings back some memories! :)
Finally someone who knows what they're doing and doesn't just crank the shit out of the starter!!!
Mexico (City) had a ton of V-Drive automatics with the Detroit. Many were parked at central terminals because of transmission problems. No one knew how to fix them. After the U.S. loaned Mexico tons of money in the 80's, a friend of mine went to Quintana Roo to help out on an irrigation project. The Mexican govt was pushing back the jungle with heavy equipment they bought. My friend saw tons of road building equipment in the weeds. Much of it still had paint on the tracks. As far back as you could see, every time there was lump in the foliage, there was a new piece of abandoned equipment underneath. He thinks the problem on many of these machines was contaminated fuel. Note: As they would go deeper into the jungle, any rock temple/shrine they encountered was demolished and ground up into road base.
Why isn't the guy who seems to know it all doing the driving??
DPL 26 because in less than 24 hrs the new owner who is unfamiliar with the bus was going to drive it 2500 miles home. And he did get home with no issues
@@VideoAmateurLuxembourg two fiddy
Aluminum does not rust. I'm guessing he paid less than the scrap value of 10 tons of aluminum.
@Chef Mime yeah I remember reading about that awful accident in the newspaper when I was about 2 years old, so 1972 sounds about right.
@@jimmyduncan7650 I remember that, in fact I died in that accident .
Looks like an aluminium bus is Big mother will Never stop driving
I believe you could resurrect a dead toad!!! You are the Master. What fun!! I luv you tickling those engines!!! Carry on!!
A Detroit DDEC 0, yippee! All mechanical is the way to go:)
JohnBoyDeere
Haha good one 🤣👍🏻
Boy that sounded pretty!
Very Nice bus man, Detroit diesel is the best forever...
Good job adjusting the rack.
Started better and ran good after that.
Great to see some good mechanic skills
Kudos to the big guy, at least he knows his bus shit and good common sense
Wow, old 6-71, external fuel rails, 2 valve head. Original low block too? What is the oldest port style liners you have found still in an engine?
those Detroit diesel's have a really distinctive sound
Antique bus is back running again back on the road 🚌⛽🚦🛣💪
That is a wise man, in testing the shutoff, if you have ever seen a run away you know what i mean
I love the sound of a 6-71
Did you notice how old the air compressor is on that silversides?
I haven't seen one that old in at least 35 years. Long may it pump air.
Cheers!
The new driver is certainly coachable.
Nice, my buddy's got a 1968 pd4107!
Now thats my dream buss, to make it to a motorhome, to bad they are to big to drive in Finland!!
That would be unnerving, trying to turn left and have it not turn.....yikes! 😁
Thanks for the video.
Theynare pretty solid engines
How sweet it is!
Doible clutching says a lot about your experience, old age and old schooled are 2 different things ... that driver is fully mature but the Tech is definitely old schooled..
0:50 Sounds like da "Bluebird" in Marshall Dodge's story "Bert and I" :D
Fun fact, right when you got on the highway, I though about, did you tried turning it left? because all turns was right. Now I feel like David Copperfield :D
Muito top o funcionamento desse motor!!!
I dont know why but detroit engines sound more beautiful to me in buses than in semi trucks.
Many old buses like this had or have a starter in the engine bay. My old silver eagle did.
Merging onto the highway is not a good time to learn how to double clutch.
Jordan Hoffman no shit lol.
On I-10 west of Tucson! Speed limit 75 with average traffic sped 80+! Most of those drivers started in El Paso or Albuquerque many hours ago and are dog tired.
Yeah or ask what is double clutching
No real point in double clutching when your rpm is at idle
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing!
How's our gauges look?? Shag carpet on the dash is f i n e !!
Omg double clutching a big ass bus. My leg would fall off
Man, I wish I could put a Detroit 2 stroke in my 89 Suburban instead of the 350. I'm sure it would run better and get better mileage. Plus I'd be the only one in my town with one!
You would need to upgrade the suspension lol
You see guys doing the smaller 3-53 etc in pick ups
Interesting that there is a duplex outlet in the engine compartment!
I noticed that as well. Maybe for a block warmer or air heater?
@@jamesmckenzie3532 That's most likely, yeah.
do you know about gmc tdh 3501 and tdh 4905 would either of them make a good motor home conversation. what years where they produced . dont know if 3501 could handle long interstate driving. I've had a 2 stroke detroit powered semi tractor, i dont know about buses., just like 3501s look, i rode them as a kid. what is the gmc transit bus from the late 60s early 70s and could be a motor home. thanks
Love your toys
Me gustan sus videos
If you can't find'em, grind'em
Stupid tow truck breaking things.
Sounded very pretty, I wouldn't be able to steal that bus, would never figure out the column shifter)
They jam easily. Hold the lever up firmly when shifting from first to second, and don't push down when shifting from second to third until the lever is in neutral position.
What are you going to do with this bus sell it? I have to fix it up. I’m looking for one Ky
hahaha i love you went to the highway and gave a fuck everything. Normal people dont even think the posibilitty go outside the trailer park.
The break in procedure is to put it under a heavy load for 50-100 miles with no idling. The only way to do that is on the highway in most cases. It’s not going to ruin anyone’s day in the middle of Arizona with little to no traffic and lots of lanes wide open.
Were those 110V outlets in the engine compartment? Was that a common thing to find on these, and what were they used for? My first thought was "power tools" but if you have the engine running to generate power you probably wouldn't be doing much in the engine compartment!
donkmeister rv Conversion added. Mostly for a block heater i assume.
I love that. Sound love it
it has a MANual transmission, good
Ahh yes so apparently anybody that works in construction or any type of oil service are women beouse they drive automatics
“Magic Bus” by The Who would be good background music.
Old three on the tree first manual trans I learned to drive
What your thoughts on a 1971 Freightliner with a Detroit and a automatic?
I double clutch my 1st Gen Dodge. That old Getrag 360 doesn't like it any other way.
The shifter is on the column??
Why didn’t they leave it like that instead of putting a shifter on the floor?
Pretty cool. Huh! 😉
how far do you guys go to find these old busses? there is a guy on facebook who found 1 on route 66 in Lebanon MO. he says it's missing an engine but who knows you might have one sitting around.
This was the bus that got ran out of water after hitting debris and grenaded several of the liners if i remember right.
New subscriber early March 2019, May I ask what part of the country this bus was picked up? Much different terrain from your other videos...Green to Brown!
This on was in Az Last three i posted were Oregon FL an MN All within the last year.
@@BusGreaseMonkey Thank you for your response Sir! I will be watching your videos!
@@BusGreaseMonkey Benson, AZ to be specific. Nice job on getting it running. I may have seen that bus a time or two.
mad respect!
muito bom ver esses ônibus sirculamdo purai
Wuld hve loved 2 see the bus itself but otherwise great video.
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Stephen Allen we were there a couple of weeks and posted videos almost every day of the entire job
Double clutch it or heal and toe, I'm guessing it's work on a bus as I have no experience of buses. Mech for 45 years but not on buses. 😀
Need to pop down to the wal mart grab u some of them bubble pack uhf radios.
good old reliable 2 stroke!
Can't turn left but other than that the test drive went well! lol
Good stuff. Thanks
The thought of a runaway comes to mind 😬
I have never seen a manual in the tree on a bus before, interesting.
What year was the Detroit made?
that guy at the beginning,..is he expecting or something?
Cool old bus what year is it
1947
@@jimmyduncan7650
I want your opinion is a Detroit diesel 8v92 to big for a f800
@@madbear3512Thats huge for that size truck. I would stay down in 5.9 L to 8.2 L range myself.
@@jimmyduncan7650
6v71 DD better hum
@@madbear3512 yeah I think so.
Confused. If the 6-71 is two stroke, then how come I am looking at rocker arms?
It only has exhaust valves. For the intake side it uses ports machined into the liner.
The injector rack is located underneath the valve cover. If an injector gets stuck and goes full fuel its really hard shut down.
It has exhaust valves, only the intake is done thru the cylinder wall.
What do you do get it running and drive to the scrape yard?
We just rebuilt the engine and it got to it’s new home 2000 miles away add it’s currently being renovated.
How do those old detroit engines meet EPA standards
Exempt for Rv
@@BusGreaseMonkey I love the old Detroit's however I feel for you working on a buss the really cram them in there cant wait for the next one you get. good job bringing them back to life
What are the plans for this particular bus?
He’s going to do an Rv conversion
@@BusGreaseMonkey That is great. I love the column shift. Overall, do you think these are dependable to travel in? Work horses? Have a super great week!
I travel in the same model about 30k miles a year and it’s very dependable. Don’t over heat it, keep oil in it and it’s a beast that won’t let you down.