Sister Sage visits Homelander | The Boys S4E8
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Homelander never bothered to look in that notebook did he? She left it for him only to pick it up again untouched. He’s too wrapped up in his own trauma to even notice the notebook lying around. Sage is taking full advantage of being ignored and overlooked. Winning!
I think also because Homelander wanted to win without anybody’s help, so he ignored Sage’s notebook containing her plans
Homelanders the sword sage is the shield and firecracker is the nursing bottle, the deep in black noir are just epic rarity cronies (the three don't have a reason to take a chance at the University for a higher rarity)
Nothing is stopping the shield from going all Soldier boy but we know how that ends
Nothing is stopping the sword from killing all in its wake, but if it keeps that up it'll lose its purpose
And without the nursing bottle, the sword would stop giving shits
@@adadjoke6252good thing you have Butcher the nuclear bomb 😂
Pretty sure she had a bug in that notebook to keep tabs on everything that would transpire between getting shitcanned and this moment that she wouldn't be here for.
She knew he wasn’t going to read it
Homelander: I'm evil because.... > *wall of text* <
Sage: I'm evil because it's fun.
Ha ha ha
😂🎉
she's evil because she's got a greater plan up her sleave, he's evil because he is deeply traumatized
lmaoo sage was so bored i swear
Makes sense too, with her knowing everything, it probably gets boring and she wants unpredictability.
It is fun for her. Definitely. However, we also got a story from her about how she TRIED to save humanity with her start being literally curing cancer....and humanity shut her down. This is a bit of payback for that.
At first she seems twitchy, and you think because Homelander is unstable, but then you realize she’s eccentric because this is by far the most miraculously complex scheme she has ever committed, which is a nice change of pace from where she previously was.
@@dapprligtnin98 it’s also ecstasy. She’s absolutely loving every second of this and the grand plan taking form. If you notice too she’s like a supercomputer with the facial ticks showing her thinking multiple contingencies in just subtle face movements in this season.
This is the most she’s barely hidden her true non calculating feelings. And she can barely control her excitement
I think it’s just because she’s been waiting to reveal her true character, she’s been putting on an act all season but now she’s fully in the driving seat
When she said "To see if I could" that was when i realized how terrifying she is. Such a good character
Says everything about her character. Just from the tone alone.
Like serial killers first dead animal discovering that they can hurt living things. The potential for chaos and damage is always within sages character.
She did it just because she felt like fucking everything up! She is THE Chessmaster and everyone is a pawn for her to move, control and sacrifice! The definition of diabolical. Sister Sage FTW!
To see if she could use the levers of government and corporations to destroy them
O
That is literally Lex Luthor motivation for everything
One of my favourite scenes this season. Homelander is literally crying on the floor, being at his lowest point and here comes Sage, saving his ass. When she came back to him, I think it was his first time experiencing true unconditional loyalty and empathy. Someone came back to him. You could see how shocked he was. Sage completely won him over in this moment and he won’t forget that. She’s now the closest he has to a friend and maybe even more than that, knowing his relationship with women. Can’t wait for how their relationship will look like in season 5
From himself mi bludclart. She had to save him from his own narcissim ffs loool.
@@justjoshua5759 He could take the world by force if he wants to do that, nobody can stop him but he is still desperate for love and approval. He denies that this is still inside of him, but it is and it always will be until the end. I have a suspicion that in season five, the last layer of his sanity will be peeled off and he will attempt to take the earth by force. Ryan and Butcher will stop him, Ryan is destined to become the greatest hero, I don't believe that he will become evil.
Not only that, but she is the first person Homelander likely actually cherishes as much as his first love interest. Barring all the other things that she was. Can't say really due to censorship reasons. But you should know who she is.
Regardless, they are one of the very few people to actually be there to help him even after all the shit he did to them. Though, in the end, that's likely to get Sister Sage killed. But she likely has calculated for this.
He may forget, he is a sociopathic megalomaniac after all, if she is not being useful anymore for whatever reason he can still discard her like toilet paper.
@@rafaelferreira7408not really. He clearly has people who he values, like Ryan. And people who were dear to him, like Noir, were murdered not because they weren’t useful, but because of betrayal. Sage is extremely important to him, because she didn’t give up on him. And that’s something that he really really appreciates
One of the reasons I love Sage is she's only doing this just to see if she could. She's an intellectual who only cares about knowledge, whether it is right or wrong.
Morality isn't a concern for her. It's all about her plan & moving pieces around the board. Good or evil, right or wrong, it's just about the game for her. She probably has a touch of misanthropy though & contempt for people in general, being as intelligent as she is.
Sometimes I do the same thing.
@@ashleybrooke2087 a touch? She calls us capybaras and sees us all as incompetent and bigoted morons who have trapped her in this society and looks at humanity like we do with chimpanzees.
I’d honestly say it’s subtle. But with the backstory and her face saying fuck them all. She’s got the same level of apathy and misanthropy as someone like AM from I have no mouth.
@@hardcandy9880 it’s what ties it all together for me and why her character is so perfect
@@ashleybrooke2087 A touch? She straight up says "Fuck them all" when it came to humanity and is doing all this for stimulation. She's a monstrous sociopath to the core.
When Homelander basically admitted he needed her from the jump, she knew she had more influence than him. All she needed was a little power and she knew she could go creative mode.
Ngl sister sage is a bigger threat than homelander
Sage is terrifying. And the most realistic horror this verse has come up with honestly. She’s homelander but reserved and thoughtful
Small plug. Covering her in a video essay discussing modern politics, hatred for humanity, why she’s a terrifying and great character. Shameless plug but check it out if y’all interested.
Idk why but her taking the time to get a balloon and walking in like a nut job paints a whole new light on her. I thought she was smart but lazy but no she’s just smart but insane.
She isn't, that's why she's on his side.
She understands that the odds of her stopping homelander is lesser than the benefits of being on his team.
Only because the writers are in love with her. They're gonna make her win no matter what with the explanation being "cause smart lol".
@@TehUnHolySkittles929doesn’t make her any less of a well written character lol
You can tell by her body language that she's specifically making herself lower than him. She knows that if she doesn't stroke his ego in one way or another he'll just kill her. Homelander used to have smart people around him but he murdered them all. Sage also correctly understands that he is unstable, so when he comes to take the phone she starts backing away a little bit because even she doesn't know exactly what he's going to do.
Nope , homelander could have killed sage when he thought she betrayed her but he didn’t. She’s not really concerned about him
I think she's a smarter, female Stan Edgar, maybe her heart rate doesn't show fear either. She's also been in the same room when the group murdered people.
@@tnbn55 and speaking of that specifically. She immediately like as soon as noir dropped the last guy. Was able to suss out that she couldn’t (even though I really doubt she was even fazed too much) show fear and assert command over those two by saying homelander will let them know what they can do after.
This further evolves to benefit her with these two. She basically used both of them as dildos (granted she had lobotomise herself with deep) to truly get them wrapped around her finger. Noir fell in love with her and deep didn’t even know.
As for Stan Edgar. Yeah the parallel is so consistent with him right now. She’s basically everything homelander needed from Stan and very succinctly pointed out by the first comment. She cannot try to dominate homelander but appeal to him as a reliable equal who is there for him
@@kingkoopah3968 yeah she’s like always assessing her body language and how she’s perceived to manipulate someone. Here she has to appear as an intellectual superior but an equal in value. His unpredictability aswell makes it doubly so that she has to make sure that he reads what she’s leading on correctly
Actually she is concerned, she's just smart enough to tame him by stroking his ego.@@muhitkhan6072
Nobody else think it's adorable that she brought a balloon?
i do uwu
@@gamerknowledge539 I love how much of a troll she is by nature. Like she is insulting him a bit here since she knows just by looking at him. Like she’s being genuine but also subtly messing with him.
She trolls firecracker. Even you could argue deep in the end but that was more direct manipulation.
@@alexis_electronic lose that uwu shit
@@alexis_electronic i like your uwu.
@@DogBall-qq9nlleave it alone ùwú
At the beginning of this season Homelander showed up at sages apartment, telling her that they will get to do stuff together. This is a nice little flip on that scene.
Homelander came to Sage at her lowest point, and Sage came to Homelander at his lowest point
@@jacobb4795 I love how these two scenes add so much in terms of hinting and paralleled explanation. And it’s weird how ppl just wanna say it’s out of nowhere and lazy writing with her character when for example. Her plan and it’s consequences are paralleled with both these scenes when they’re both at they’re lowest and being the best out of each other for the worst outcomes.
@@ginogamboni689 her lowest point? It was a casual tuesday for her
It's interesting how Sage and Firecracker give Homelander two different things he desperately wants from female characters, and while FC thinks she gave him what he wanted with the breast milk, it's nothing compared to what Sage did here, coming back for HL after he rejected her, because it's what HL always really wanted deep down from a maternal figure: unconditional love. Obviously Sage isn't really giving him unconditional love but to HL's stunted desperate pov that's what he'll see, somebody who doesn't appear to be using him (that was Stormfront's mistake, making it clear to him she just wanted him to realize her Nazi dream), who came back for him after he threw a tantrum, who fixed all his mistakes and promises to always be there for him no matter what. It's more intoxicating to Homelander than any breast milk.
Narcissism vs megalomania. Similar but in terms of how sage and FC interact with homelanders psyche. They both play on these in terms of lending his ear.
Sage can appeal to logic on his megalomania. However not as viscerally as FC can appeal to his narcissism
Damn you nailed it.
that's such a good analysis, so true
Well said!!
Make a vid
“To see if I could” is literally one of the best lines in this show. That’s actually creepy knowing everything went her way
if only the writing actually matched, she had nothing to do with anything that happened
@@TrollLulCats she had EVERYTHING to do with what happened. None of it would’ve happened without her
@@thatboyks8177 nah the writing was terrible, way too much randomness that couldnt have been predicted
@@TrollLulCats that’s why her characters amazing. She was unpredictable. Everytime we thought their plan went to shit it was actually according to her plan. Even homelander was surprised. There’s nothing special about it if you can predict what’s gonna happen
@@thatboyks8177 nah, just trash writing
I was saying this from the start: Sage is terrifying.
Me too. I left a comment saying "this could be really interesting if they dont screw it up". I was worried they were gonna cheap out and have the black, super genius woman, who randomly shows up turn out to be a secret good guy who saves the day. I'm so glad they didn't pull that crap. She's just a small unassuming charismatic woman.. that you don't realize is the fucking Joker 😂 just gonna burn the world down for sport
@@stephengrigg5988 I really hope the show doesn’t try to redeem her or make her secretly helping the boys but I’m scared to go that route because that’s what the fans seem to demand
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 I'm right there with you. If they did, I'd go so far as to call it character assassination at that point. She just had a secret evil plan that even Homelander wasn't privy to that overthrew the government, and plunged the world into chaos. So trying to be like "but wait.. there's more. She had another other *super* secret plan that was helping the good guys all along." Yeah, they can F right off with that. I mean... she is directly responsible for countless deaths, there's no "ends justifies the means" card big enough to play to excuse that and the show already touches on those themes with Butcher, and clearly doesn't agree with them or think they're heroic. It would be hypocritical, to say the least, if they tried to frame Sage as heroic in any way.
In what other narrative did a "black super genius woman" come into the narrative in the exact same way you are describing it plottechnically? @@stephengrigg5988
the smile that came over my face this entire scene, I really thought sage was playing homelander and was actually secretly working to take him and vought down, but then I learn that this is by far the greatest villain we've had in the entire series so far. She's just evil for fun and honestly from the writing to the performance she's great at it. I can't help but love this.
She is working to take him down. This is her reingratiating herself to him, putting things back on track for that. A build up before his true fall.
Imagine a battle of mind between Sage and Stan.
Stan would probably use financial logic to deduce and upscalr Sage's mindset.
Sage however keep on coming with most wildest, yet ingenious means possible to keep herself on track with Stan, until she finally reaches a level where it's Stan who has to follow up with hers.
@@areszeudion5153 I literally hope this happens with her in season 5. A battle of wits and minds with a human that can challenge her
@@SonicMegaKingI don't think so, its high chance, but i think Sister Sage will only try to take Homelander down when he's the norm, the god or president, king of the World or anything
After putting him at the top, she will try to bring him down, just because she wants to know If she can, no one can keep that girl entertained forever i assume
@@lulnara5128. That’s very plausible. They might be foreshadowing with this scene here; she did it to see if she could; she’s so intelligent she craves mental stimulation. It’s been established she’s too smart from the fact that she needs to give herself brain damage in order to find trivial things entertaining.
she cooked so heavily
Ehhhh it doesn’t show how she made any of this happen it’s kind of a cope out but I saw it coming just wish it explained it
@@codypendency9482Sage's overall plan (Phase 1) is to set the Superhuman Population, at least in the United States of America, as the major authority or high on the pyramid. Her reasons for aiding Homelander comes from a need for a challenge (being one of the smartest people in the planet, she'd need stimulation), and a resentment towards humanity (she came up with a cure for cancer, but was dismissed while her grandma died; along with Vought's treatment over their "products").
Phase 1:
1. Tip the aggression between the Homelander and Starlight fans to their favor.
▪︎Frame Starlight's supporters for murdering Todd and his friends (initially a success ala a riot; foiled because A-Train provided the evidence that proves the latters' innocence)
▪︎Integrate Firecracker as part of the Seven due to her history with Starlight from their pageant days (a success because it kept Annie distracted)
2. The Presidential Campaign
▪︎"Motivate" Neuman to take a more pro-active stance that would help Vought International take the lead (success...but only because she was intimidated and stressed out)
▪︎Have Neuman become president (failed without Sage's direct supervision, along with Neuman's own ambitions and tethers being a possible obstacle that led to her death)
▪︎Homelander being granted the position to take control (a backup plan should Neuman falter; a success)
3. Dealing with "The Seven"
▪︎The Deep ("planted a seed" that enabled Kevin to become a threat)
▪︎Noir 2.0 (inapplicable, but the lobotomy is no different from her time with Kevin)
▪︎Firecracker (undeniably hired due to her history with Starlight; one of the few elements that ended up backfiring against her in light of A-Train being revealed as the traitor)
A-Train (animosity between the two from their Teenage Kix days; she likely planned to pull a "Two Birds, One Stone" tactic, but was kicked out)
@@codypendency9482I think she figured out the more general parts, that they would kill Neuman, (she would’ve probably assumed with the virus, I doubt she has any idea Butcher is now a super powered tentacled monster,) and not the specifics. Obviously its a bit unrealistic, but she’s also supposed to be exceedingly smart
@@codypendency9482 the plan makes sense when you realize she knew that either Neuman or Bob would have died. Either Neuman dies by The Boys, or Bob dies by Neuman's assassin. That or both die. Three most likely outcomes and she wins in all of them. HOWEVER -- because the Boys actually suceeded in stopping the shapeshifter and were onboard to have a truce with Neuman, they would have won, which is the least likely outcome and completely unexpected. And yet it would have happened because they showed mercy. again: HOWEVER -- Butcher goes "rogue" and kills Neuman, so the plan succeeds.
@@codypendency9482 you just need to understand the real plan, which is to get public & politicians support for hl, giving hl government power, then you will see how she plan almost everything from the start, regardless of the "curveballs"
It's so tragic that Homelander has finally found the one person who truly "has his back" and is honest with him in Sage, but it is simply way too late in his life to make a difference. There is no hope for him now, he is living on borrowed time and his son is reaching his peak. He has no idea that within perhaps a few weeks of in-verse time, he will die.
Tbf, sage doesn't do this genuinely. But she surely is the best acting like it.
@@aldrinmilespartosa1578 she sounded pretty genuine to me. He gave her once in a lifetime opportunity to use her intelligence to the max and she seems really thankful for it. I see no reason for her to take down Homelander
why is he living on borrowed time again?
@@spicyclips552Butcher with a powerful, contagious virus and super cancer on the warpath. Not to mention Ryan knowing the truth about him. 😊
@@jshell0771she's happy she got to do it but she's still playing him, worst case scenario she's in as his permanent advisor this time because he is genuinely grateful for once and can manipulate him subtly, best case she does a coup if he can't retaliate for whatever reason, either way she comes out on top. There's no way she hasn't read everything related to Homelander's creation and experimentation and psychology while she had full access to everything in vought, so she definitely has contingency plans for him in case she loses his goodwill again.
She is smart but not omniscient tho, and it doesn't seem like she keeps tabs on Ryan and doesn't know how powerful Butcher is now, so they're wildcards that she might not fully account for.
Yeah sister sage gotta go she is making homelander a way bigger threat as he now has brains behind all his power if he actually listens to her he will be unstoppable.
You think he'll listen? XD
@@turtle-ot2qc The dangerous thing is I think he will now. Sages real plan basically pulled his ass out of the fire whilst his plan blew up in his face the second she left. His ego might have just taken enough damage that he realizes listening to her is in her best interest. I mean she told him to his face that she didn't tell him everything since he would fuck it up and his response was a pained look not vocal disagreement or anger. All in all she rocked up told him I am 100% loyal to you, massively capable and you can't do this without me at one of Homelanders lowest possible moments. I imagine It will leave a strong impression on him going forwards.
@@markstewardson4006 exactly. Homelander craves love. Not fear or adoration or worship which are poor substitutes he's chased forever. What he wants is somebody to love and take care of him and that's what Sage appeared to do (in his mind) here. She did what he's always wanted somebody to do: come back when they didn't have to, after he's lashed out and thrown a tantrum. She came and cleaned up his mess, didn't ask anything for it, didn't tell him to do anything for her, and then said that she'll always be there for him no matter what. It's everything he's always wanted even if he doesn't fully realize it himself
@@AmisAngelstreamsunfortunately for him it’ll inevitably blind him to once again delve into the narcissism and love based programming.
Since sage…. Isn’t doing this like that. I really can’t tell if she views homelander with such interest due to the fact that she’s able to use him as a vehicle for power or that she doesn’t realise that being caught up in her ambition is going to blind her to his dangerously easy to slip mania and ego
@@markstewardson4006she’s literally the perfect version of Stan Edgar of which he understands he needs as a use and as an actual relationship connection.
He gets over his narcissistic need to be listened to by somebody who doesn’t look like or embody him at all. She’s a supe and more ambitious than him. But can also put him in line.
Homelander looks so confused. He's never met someone who did something nice for him without needing to be threatened. Also, this might be his first time meeting someone on his level of crazy.
Black Noir did something nice for him once. Sister Sage was the second.
0:06, he's holding Ryan's backpack, he trully loves him. But because of the trauma and cruel experiment he went through, he doesn't know how to be a good and caring father. 😢
Homelander isn't a father. He's just trying to force a family relationship because he never had one. He also doesn't love Ryan, he only wants him as an image of the family he's forcibly creating.
The moment he doesn't see Ryan as useful, he'll turn against him too.
@@yellowishgreendragon.-.I think Homelander is piece of shit but I’m going to have hard disagree with you on that. Yes, it’s true that he does see Ryan as an extension of himself, partially due to narcissism, but I do truly believe he does want a family, in whatever fucked up image of what he thinks is family is; this has been a plot point through the entire series if you’ve watched it; the scene where after he kills noir, he talks to rest of the team about how he wished the seven would have been the family that he never had, the entire last episode of s3 with him and Soldier Boy, etc.
@@Dezzgrfjvdfgyou’re right, homelander just has no actual idea how to express genuine love but he does love Ryan and you can also see it by how he looks at soldier boy at the end of s4, even though soldier boy tried to kill him.
I wanna see her in a Jordan peele movie. She is amazing
THIS! 😮
@@MPPharaoh yeah this actress is phenomenal. She’s so great under a peele film
*YES PLEASE*
I want to see her in whatever she does next. Heyward has been outstanding in The Boys, the season's MVP in my opinion.
Oh, was she the last from Us?
Victors of each season
Season 1: Vought
Season 2: The Boys
Season 3: Homelander
Gen V: Vought
Season 4: Sage
ill say no one really won in s3
@@everett_ky Neuman Maybe. Or Maeve
@@ianr.navahuber2195Yeah It's clearer that Neuman won in season 3
Homelander always wanted a mommy and daddy. This was when someone showed him the value of having a Sister. You fight and get annoyed with each other but at the end of the day hopefully you still want whats best for one another
shes not his sister in any way thats for sure
@@TopHatPlushDjdjendndke i was talking about the balloon 🙄
There's also a possibility that everything didn't go according to Sage's plan, but that she was smart enough to swoop in at the last minute to make Homelander THINK it was all her plan
Well technically yeah it wasn't her thought out plan but she was smart enough to work around every single variable, so it might now have been her plan from the start but it definitely always rolled in her favor
I like to think her original plan was way off, but she managed to do fine with the “scraps” left
That's an interesting thought, I always thing her plan didn't make sense because it relied too much on unpredictable external factor she don't know like Butcher killin Neuman etc. But, the thought of her just swoop in to claim it was her all along sounds funny but kinda her thing😂
Well she thought to have the shapeshifter film singer
@@valhatan3907spying on the president and getting him to actually say that he wanted Newmen dead was definitely part of the plan. But newmen actually dying ended up being a bonus to sage.
That was clever. Got a gist that Sage didn't help him out of the kindness of her heart though.
Of course not, she did it to see if she could, just cause she was dropped from the Seven, as long as it was still possible, no way could she pass off this opportunity
I think her goal in season 5 is if she can take down Homelander.
It’s all a grand experiment for the machinations of planning against humanity’s interests as her lack of humanity and wanting them out of power based experiments to her. So it was done completely removed for homelanders benefit past honouring the deal properly.
@@mattc5647 i think Sage already knows she can take down Homelander if she wanted. The Boys have gotten close but are always hindered by their own personality problems. Sage probably thinks it's harder to get Homelander to the top because of all of HL's many many psychological flaws and therefore she thinks it's more intellectually challenging than to just kill him or remove him from power.
@@6-dpegasus425 Also as she said at the start, its harder staging a coup if a million eyes are on you, so being fired honestly worked in her favor
The best part is that she told Neaman her true feelings. She’s gonna pull off the comic book ending for Stilwell where she’s on top
I am *SO GLAD* her revealing she was lying to Homelander was some stupid, arrogant mistake on her part, but a calculated part of a grander plan to manipulate Homelander's actions.
the plan is so mysterious, not even the writers have any idea what it is.
@@HoD999x it’s clearly to install a supe fascist america where all the power centralises to her so she can fuck with humanity as she pleases. Whilst balancing homelander. It’s not hard to figure out yet apparently capybaras be ignoring the show then saying it’s lazy writing or some very goofy ahh excuse
@@HoD999xthe plan is this:
If President Singer kills Victoria, then Sage releases documents/video evidence of him ordering her assassination. He gets impeached. The speaker of the house (Homelander ally) becomes president.
Victoria Neumann assassinates Singer and becomes president, the Boys lose their dirt on her, Homelander has a puppet (imperfect but good enough)
If Butcher didn’t kill Victoria Neumann and she was brought into hiding by the boys , Sage’s plan would’ve failed
@@HoD999x Sage's plan was set up to where she wins no matter the outcome.
Singer kills Neumann, Sage releases audio of Singer ordering the assassination. Singer gets impeached/arrested and the speaker of the house (Homelander ally) becomes president.
Neumann kills Singer and she becomes a puppet, not perfect but usable and the boys lost all of their dirt on her with Sage having all the blackmail
In fact, if Butcher didn't kill Victoria Neumann and she went into CIA custody, Sage would've lost ironically enough.
@@BeaverChainsaw so sage had a plan, regardless, if the Shapeshifter won or lost
Does She have a plan for starlight, escaping Cindy?
Her loyalty despite Homelander casting her aside makes sense. He literally offered to let her play god under his protection, and by the time he revoked that she had already made her moves. She just had to wait.
Sage is an absolute sociopath and a shining example of "some men just wanna watch the world burn" and that's scarier than anything Homelander has ever done 😮
Nah. The worst person in this show was stormfront when she killed kimiko brother.
But homelander is obliviously second.
Sista sage is scary because of her potential. But something tells me she hasn't gone completely mad yet
Him taking a deep breath at the end is so significant. He is monitoring his behavior and emotions, he was treating Sage like one of the scientists who took care of him when he was a kid. Sage is clearly aware of this. Definitely the best thread from this season
"To see if I could. Thank you. This was so much fun!" I saw some traces of insanity in her eyes after she gives the phone to Homelander. Sister Sage may just be a little insane and if she really is with all that bitterness she has from her childhood, the world is in really deep shit. She's not doing this for money, love or power. She's doing this just because she wants to fuck with EVERYTHING and because "she just feels like it!" That means EVERYONE is a pawn in her hands to be sacrificed just to further her own agenda! That makes her the most diabolical character of all and I think one day, Homelander will come to regret visiting her the first time for "advice." The world will wish that he should have left her alone "reeking of Taco Bell and loneliness instead of putting some of her theories into practice on a global scale!" Homelander challenged Sister Sage and Sage WON and it wasn't even close!
"Just, you know next time, listen to me." What Sister Sage REALLY said was, "I just got you everything you wanted. I'm the HBIC and your ass belongs to me now!"
"Buckle up for Phase Two." That's a chilling statement from Sage who probably already knows that the next stage of her plan is going to succeed and the world may not be able to survive it!
Side note: Susan Heyward is an absolute Queen and she is perfect for the part!
Sister Sage FTW! 🙌
I think, in this scene, she won his trust and become her loyal pawn without realizing.
@@RJLNetwork hey you saw that resentment in the way she expressed that line to Neumann. I’ve never seen such subdued anger and resentment I can fucking feel through the screen.
FUCK. THEM. ALL. Has all the hatred in the world with this in mind.
Homelander doesn’t realise that he’s basically just given the most dangerous person on the planet the ability to enact grand human experiments that make the milgram tests and mouse topia thought experiments like child’s play.
That’s the most disturbing part of all of this. How her resentment fuels how she sees us as humans in a scientific fascination of empathy. It’s like if the nazi dr mengela who was allowed to do things such as sewing ppl together and ripping apart Siamese twins in the Holocaust. Was able to do that. Anytime and with complete impunity due to homelander and in his new supe fascist world being created. There won’t be consequences. I can imagine her putting innocents in political prisons to drive them crazy for science. I can see her manipulating economies and ppl just to see how they react.
The potential of nightmarish scenarios honestly make that homelander take over scene in season 3 with starlight seem like nothing.
Homelander sitting sad holding his kid’s backpack 😢
I didn't notice that... he's even petting it... how does this fucker keep getting me to sympathize with him 😂
2:28
"Next time, listen"
"Uhh... next time?"
Yeah.... you aren't in charge anymore guy
In Tek Knight's party Sage got herself shot in the head, so Vicky would step up to be the "smart woman" in charge instead of Sage, and Bob Singer would be framed by the Shapeshifter as the commander of Vicky's assasination. Whether Vicky lived or died (they could kill her without Butcher coming in clutch) Martial Law would come next. Sage made the Boys think Bob Singer was in danger.
Im glad she came back
Me too. She’s my favourite character in the show tbh
Well, she never really left.
She's the main villain of the whole series. She's manipulating him for her agenda. I'm starting to think she isn't as scared of him as she is making herself out to be. Lol
@@CarterMadison1 I mean she did welcome him to laser her when they first met. Everybody else would say no please please, don't hurt me😭 meanwhile she is just like go on, do it😏
1:00 Yeah she TOTALLY predicted Singer would say this.
She didn't need to predict anything. He was locked in a room with the people he hired to murder Neuman. Of course he will freely talk about it. Even if he didn't, the shape shifter could easily bring up the conversation. It's not hard understand.
@@Problemsolver434 The excuses you Sage simps come up with are insane.
2:13: CHILLS.
“… to see if I could.” FUCK. YES. They made a point of it in this season to show that she is almost as fragile as a regular human, yet she never has the fear of Homelander that everyone else does. Even when she feels she pushed him too far, she handles him like the toddler he is, despite the fact he’s essentially a live nuclear bomb. My new favorite character in a show that has no shortage of potential candidates. Was almost worried they were going to fridge her, but what a comeback. I didn’t understand the balloon on first watch, but now, the PERFECT thing to bring a child that’s having a meltdown
It’s going to be exciting to see homelander’s and sage’s relationship develop. I genuinely don’t see one betraying the other - personally I think sage will die and homelander will be a powerless nobody.
Homelander had his emo playlist ready and was considering ways to attempt offing himself and Sage casually strolled in and set the world in his lap for giggles 😂 she is manipulative to the atom. Can’t wait to see what she does next season.
Sage is easily my favourite character with this. She’s using homelander as the face and hand of control while she operates as the brain for her own agendas.
She’s basically throughout this season been able to outsmart and suss out everybody’s character weaknesses and use for her on a personal and grand level. Knew exactly what kind of dynamic to employ with homelander. With it being Edgar like but not in complete control overtaking his narcissism (something of which she knew she could never truly control but account for)
It’s interesting how complex and nihilistic she is with humanity due to their existence in her life and how she’s been treated. And her own existence as the worlds smartest person.
She’s gonna be a huge threat and a treat to watch especially now ramping up with homelander
Completey agree, but she ain't gonna survive. Even Homelander will see that she's too op, she essentially has the strongest power in the show
I feel there's more to Sage. I think she's not good or evil. She wants power for herself, and Homelander (and probably The Boys) is just her stepping stone. But this doesn't mean she's as destructive as Homelander. She just has her own agenda, but we don't know what that is.
This scene, IMO, is her way to have complete trust from Homelander.
She reminds me of Margaery Tyrell (GoT) and Lex Luthor.
I won't be surprised if she will survive and become POTUS.
At this point neumann was about to leave the political scene, so even if she survived she would not have gotten in their way
@@Jeandenisdelajacquette never leave loose ends tied especially if they’re gaining morality against your best pasty to get you success (homelander). Sage probably suspected her to not be the best play for her and decided to still follow through regardless.
@@zitronentee I would agree but it’s clear that she’s pretty terrifyingly evil and malicious. That resentment she feels for humanity. Her being a supe supremacist. Her nihilistic admonishment and giving up in her ability to save humanity. And the fact that she literally wants to try out human experiments in not just this plan but the world over said humans. Means that her agendas whilst being made to manipulate shows a hidden “burn the world the capybaras don’t matter” that can’t be described as good.
I’d even say her intentions are more evil than homelander
This must be the closest Homelander has ever come to genuinely apologizing to someone.
Sage went from some introverted nerd to one of, if not THE scariest villains in the entire show. Destroying America, potentially the world, just out of sheer curiosity to see if she could. Fucking diabolical.
@RileyWritey we need more villains like this, who want to cause mayhem just because
Plus I want to see how The Boys stop a villain that has brains
@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 you are looking at most villain from DC and Marvel😂😂😂
The smartest people are always the most dangerous because they know how to manipulate I love it she’s a evil genius
I mean she still is introverted
I wish I had someone in my life like sister sage that can predict my dumb decisions and be there to pick me up 😿
You do realize you're talking about a mother figure, right? Sage is exploiting that sense of security to have Homelander at her feet
@@jojojojojojojo-vh6my y’know I actually think it’s something he’s never had before. A big sister. Think about it she occupies that role to homelander the most in this scenario especially and how she’s been helping him can be construed into a similar dynamic. But a big sister that doesn’t respect him and is using him without him knowing. Yet homelander believes the sibling dynamic more since she actually “came back”. At least imo.
That's an interesting idea for sure. I'd love to see it developed further in S5
I think Stan's words were ringing in his head at this moment, Homelander was the one to blame. From letting his obsession with milk lead him to fire Sage, exposing Victoria, then finally driving away his own son by throwing a temper tantrum. I don't think that little sigh of relief was all about Sage or the plan but realizing he hadn't truly lost Ryan and he could trust someone to get him back.
The best part is, I'm STILL not sure if she's playing him for safety, playing him to beat him, or just actually working with him.
i know a lot of people who are really good with money but never have real money to play with. she finally had all the peices to play the game she wanted
I love how her voice cracks at 1:54 when she says you can trust me boo ..I got your back. She is slowly losing sanity knowing she has the power and opportunitity to push closer to her goal . She had Homelander right where she wants him
This is funny. She could probably get rid of Homelander whenever she wanted, and I'm sure she'll at least try because Homelander is the perfect patsy to allow herself to do *whatever* the fuck she wants. I seriously adore Sage as a character.
I don't think it would be that easy. But if someone could do it is her. But i don't see a reason why. Homelander gifter the present of seeing her games come to live.
I like how Homelander admitted he was wrong for tossing Sage out...
The most interesting detail here is that home lander looks genuinely touched that Sage had his back to the end. It’s probably one of the only times aside from Black Noir that anyone has done something for him that wasn’t purely transactional or with (seemingly) ulterior motive. If this is part of Sage’s grander plan, then being Homelander’s one true friend is a big get
Y’all are on the ‘to see if I could’ but I think the ‘this was SO much fun!’ is what makes her so scary.
Somehow sage is being a better parent to Ryan than most of his guardians, despite only interacting with him once😂
Those moments throughout the series where Antony's performance shows you that deep down Homelander just wants someone who actually cares about him that he can trust, the one thing he was denied his whole life. Almost being in tears by the simple gesture of Sage still helping him after turning on her, realizing she still stood by him despite his faults, instead of just turning on him or trying to get back at him for it.
Even acknowledging and calling him out on his shortcomings/mistakes, letting him know she's still gonna be there for him despite them, and making her seem like someone he can actually trust by giving him unconditional friendship for the first time.
It's ultimately for her own ulterior motives, but I don't think he realizes that just yet. She knows that deep down he wants real companionship and is using that to gain his full trust to blindside him.
His reaction of "why would you do this?" as if he can't even comprehend the idea of someone not just doing something for him simply because they're either afraid of him, want something from him, or are trying to appease him.
Makes you realize how sad it is he was raised the way he was, and the missed opportunity of the great superhero he could have actually become if he'd experienced love and happiness growing up.
You nailed it
Funny how sage showed the most humanity to homelander in his entire life
For Ulterior motives
She’s playing him for a fiddle
A dangerous gamble but for how long ?!!!
@@EM-tx3lytrue especially if he finds out and recognize it’s game over for him.
Her walking in with that balloon had me on the floor laughing 😂
Homelander has been yearning earnestly for a partner/team mate that is reliable and trustworthy for seasons. This duo is the highlight of the season for me. I can’t wait to see the next phase of Sage’s plan.
Homelander did jack this season. Without intimidation he is nothing. He just wants to be in charge without doing the work and Sage literally handed him the country. Sage is a real threat.
She’s a Sith and if the Boys took her out at the start none of this would have happened but the Boys were a pathetic lot
While Homelander only reconciled with Sage after she proved her worth and fulfilled their plan, Homelander's remorse over turning Sage away suggests he still has some trace of human empathy.
Its not really remorse, its shock that he treated her that way and she came back
@@brandonm5130
That's a very good point, though to me, that in itself points to empathy on Homelander's part: he has an awareness or interest in Sage's feelings and how he affected them, unlike most full-on psychopaths.
Don't get me wrong: Homelander is a monstrous, cruel, sadistic man, but I think he has some thin shred of decency.
@@QUANTUMJOKERhe called it for what it was so yeah he does have a small trace of empathy and respect for her because he sees her as an equal since in his mind he’s surrounded by idiots
I like that she actually takes a few steps back when he stands up, showing that she knows he's an unstable threat and could easily snap at any moment.
Damn homelanders last allie was a nazi and yet the black woman is the most dangerous one hes ever had
She’s the smartest so yea no shit there’s a reason hitler lost and it’s not cuz he was smart
@@kinglegault the irony was never lost on me since sage basically developed stormfront as strategy and turned it from iPhone 3GS to iPhone 11 max
When she says “buckle up for phase 2” that let me know she’s incredibly dangerous and her strategizing this entire move is next level. i think she inevitably knows that Homelander won’t last with what he’s doing.
I think phase 2 is her making him lose this time. She is smart enough to realize he is 'bad product'
I like Sage and all but she is *VERY* lucky that this “plan” worked out, she doesn’t realize how fortunate she is that Grace completely threw the bag by literally traumadumping on Ryan and how that led to Neuman’s death
It’s not luck it’s adaptability. She literally just had used it to her advantage. If that didn’t happen the “bumps in the road” would’ve taken longer.
This isn’t even the full plan it’s just phase 1.
@@justjoshua5759I think it’s luck because as far as I know unless I missed something, she had absolutely nothing to do with Neuman’s death. Butcher doesn’t kill Neuman if he doesn’t see Ryan kill Grace, and Ryan doesn’t kill Grace if Grace doesn’t try to force him to follow her agenda and threaten to put him to sleep when he decides to leave. Yeah, her plan was for Neuman to get killed, but she’s lucky Neuman was killed to begin with. If Butcher had let Neuman link up with the Boys, who was gonna assassinate her?
It was a good plan overall, but she got lucky
not really, her original plan ddin't work she just had plan A plan B plan C plan D all up to maybe even Z and this might be something like plan G, she would have definetly thought of something
@@esks987 that’s what I was trying to get at. It’s not one big cliched supervillain plan. But a general goal with multiple routes being used and created
@@ClareAmel she couldn’t account for neuman but she could account for how to handle the pieces calling afterward. It wouldn’t really take up too much time especially with the boys themselves being used to take themselves out
'to see if i could' fucking chillsssssss
"Everything that has transpired has done so according to *my* design."
-Sister Sage, 2024
When a megalomaniac is the exact opposite of incompetent.
@@chriswhite3692 scary shit honestly. She can back it up. And make you realise just how much you didn’t have a chance for shits and giggles
Saw this coming. Sage obviously understood Homelander enough to not clue him in on everything and just orchestrates her own plan. Shows how brilliantly she can manipulate people, she counted on Butcher to kill Vicky. Sage took full advantage of a white man giving her the opportunity to take over the world and she is enjoying it. As for Homelander, she may pity him but also knows better than to talk down to him. She may be the only person smart enough to figure out Homelander and make him a healthier person. We’ll see. Buckle up for phase 2! ✌🏻
Thought to be fair, she almost failed if not for Mallory. Her fck up and pushing Ryan too far was too unpredictable to even consider as possibility.
A healthy Homelander who is willing to listen sounds more terrifying
i disagree. lots of things were beyond her control and could have easily turned out differently. nothing she ever did demonstrated in any way that she had "a grand plan"
Homelander is never going to become "healthy" listening to Sage. She's as screwed-up as he is, only in a different way. Both of them consider themselves above humanity, Homelander physically, Sage mentally. They'll never build anything that lasts because they can't relate to and don't care about anyone but themselves.
I believe she was expecting The Boys to kill her with the Virus. I do not think she knows Butcher eviscerated her and is a genuine threat.
Bro the writers absolutely cooked with the new characters this season. Ignoring some of the contrived writing regarding her plan, Sage is still one of my new favorite characters in the entire show. I'd kill to see her interact with Soldier Boy next season
Oh, I really hope that Friecracker doesn't quietly die between seasons. I can't wait to see the interactions between her and Sage after this.
Fighting for his attention as homelander glazes Sage as usual
@@lesliethomas9532 I wonder what Sage has planned for Ashley as Sage never liked Ashley
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Ashley might help the boys take down homelander
@@ACinemafanatic i rather her being a wild card while she didn’t really know webweaver was hughie, not sure it shes earned the right to helpnthe boys
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674true she just might come in at a special time in season 5
Sage has a brain similar to a quantum computer, and as she said, her brain grows and develops more each day
She is realizing her ultimate plan of one more big score and then farming mangoes in Tahiti
So Sage planned for someone to secretly film Singer and leak the footage, for Newman to become disillusioned with Homelander and make a deal with the Boys, and for Butcher to reject that deal and kill Newman?
Not entirely, as she said there were curveballs, she just planned flexibly enough to account for that. She probably figured the boys themselves would kill neuman, and her plan nearly failed because of hughie
She's gonna give him almost everything he's ever wanted...and she's gonna watch him be destroyed by all of it. In the same way he got the company from Stan and he was told he was gonna sorely regret it because there was nobody left to cover for him anymore. "Blonde Ambition" with her crazy eyes said it all!
Homelander at least had a motivation for doing what he does, so it was relatively easy for people who knew him well to keep him in check. Sage fooled and endangered the entire world with just a few words simply because she was capable of doing so. This is probably one of the most terrifying villains I’ve ever seen recently, and it’s only been one season.
She just hates humanity. Like damn
Sister Sage now has Homelander fully in awe of her, he’ll never doubt anything she says from this point onwards which means she’s the one in the driving seat now, that was her plan all along, phase 2 is when she fully takes control
Being at his lowest, crying on the floor, Victoria is dead, he feels completely defeated and for once powerless... then along comes Sage to slap him twice across his face: Singer is arrested thanks to the shapeshifter Annie video, and Calhoun wants to appoint him as the de facto US President. And to top it all off, a last slap: her plan worked, he was wrong, and she kept her end of the deal.
His shocked face across all the revelations speaks volumes. He may not be the smartest person on Earth, but the actual smartest person has his back. If he listens to her for the remainder of the series he'll be untouchable.
Will she return to The Seven ?? I don't think so. Hell, I don't even think The Seven are a thing anymore. Vought is unofficially gone after they killed off everyone, and he is now the leader of a team of hundreds, maybe even thousands of supes. Showtime is over, and at the end of the day that's what The Seven and Vought were all about: creating movies, staging saves and going on promotional tours.
lol I knew she was just as crazy if not more than homelander. He’s finally found his Edgar again 😢
I love how Sage actually accounted for Homelander's ego in all of her planning, even told him straight to his face during their first meeting that it would be a problem.
In a twisted way I almost got teary-eyed when Homelander said “I threw you out like garbage…”
You never see Homelander like this, genuinely remorseful. He doesn’t even know how to react to this level of loyalty.
Homlander looks so confused and rightly so, this is technically the first time someone went behind his back, not to betry or hide things from him, but to sctually help him.
(For now maybe)
Unhinged people and people who do not feel anything at all are the worst couple in history.
Sister Sage is more dangerous than Homelander. He’s a pawn on her strings.
If Sage is referring Homelander as Caesar, she is implying something else.
I still really can’t tell if Sage is chaotic neutral or lawful evil. She’s having fun being right and she knows how to manipulate people, but she also looks like she knows exactly how to take down Vought without even trying.
I was honestly mad at myself thinking Sage didn’t have this planned out and was always 1 step ahead
2:30 No one peeped Sage picked up a book w/ rainbow colors and a cartoon picture of Queen Maeve? Also she references him as Ceasar. Not good signs for HL’s long term future.
It is a shame Neuman died so quick, but i dont think she is coming back. Hopefully, Season 5 ends the show, and does not end on a cliffhanger.
She's obviously not coming back.
Did we watch the same episode?
Are you stupid
Creators confirmed season 5 is the end of
i wouldnt say she died so quick she was in 2/3 seasons and gen v
She’s basically Lex Luthor! She ultimately is planning on being on top but in the meantime she will use homelander for as long as she needs him
00:30
There should be a post credit scene of Homelander gently flying up in his room to get the balloon off of the ceiling. I imagine he reads it saying "Congratulations" and smiles or somethin.
honestly that would be a brilliant scene
@@froz4916 thank you tell amazon to hire me
It would've been hilarious if the balloon said "Mission Accomplished" considering the George W Bush comparisons in season 1
So you're telling me that sister sage could predict that Newman was gonna try to betray homelander and go to the boys and they would kill her and then she could blame it all on Singer?
That's just pure bs! She's smart, not a psychic
Nothing to do with being psychic. As Sage said, she knew Neuman was too opinionated and too headstrong to go along with her plans in the long term, so she set her up to die, likely get killed somehow and then she could pass along the blame.
No she predicted that singer would try to kill newman and succeed.
Neuman didn't need to die. She just needed to go on the run. Even if she didn't, Sage had the dirt on her that the shape shifter stole. She didn't need to predict Neuman's death. She just needed Neuman out of the way
"Why would you do this?" "to see if I could" is my favourite villain motivation
The whole 'supersmart character was in control the whole time and everything was part of their plan' is definitely a trope that's not always the greatest way to wrap up a plot, but honestly, sister sage's character saves it. 'To see if I could'. utterly terrifying. the twitchiness. the way, somehow, her coming back has genuinely affected homelander, which means she /has/ him. 'Everything was Sage's plan' is contrived, sure, but this scene still sets her up to be utterly terrifying, which is a fantastic note to end on heading into season 5
The boys does female characters so well (ironically based on the name). This season has me hyped for Starlight, Kimiko, Sage and Ashley. We saw REALLY interesting arcs with all four and saw a big shift in each character right at the end of the season.
I feel like they've fumbled a bit with Starlight in the previous seasons, but seeing where she ended up and the new peak of her powers made me appreciate her a lot more. Now that she's shed the false persona of the perfect heroine, she's ready to get into the mud and the grit.
Dont forget about Cate and Cindy
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 I'd like to see both get some shine. Cate was the most interesting character from gen v. Cindy just had that little cameo.
Did anyone see Sage stepping back while offering the phone to Homelander? The crazy details in this show is amazing! It's like she's telling Homelander to go for her trap.
And he did did you notice when she said “next time listen to me” in a rather intimidating tone as if you don’t listen to me next time you’re going down
Loooove that she calls him Blonde Ambition! For you kids, that’s a Madonna joke....
Homelander wins by doing absolutely nothing. I love that he's so confused.
2:16 Bruh... New real villain of the show
@giorgiogasparetto2246 keep her as a villain, please
This episode and this scene’s specifically saved the entire season
Who else is in love?
Sister Sage was right about Victoria being a horrible patsy had she lived. She still had the ability to do and think for herself which is something a good patsy should be incapable of doing.
Sage is the scientist and we are all lab rats in her experiments.
Homelander might be more powerful and unstable but Sage is more dangerous.
Sister Sage was the surprise for me this season, I didn’t like her at all at first but by the end of the season she became such an interesting and fun villain to watch. She is probably the most dangerous person on the show at this point next to Homelander.
Edit: The actress is so good too, the subtle way she is concealing her excitement over the plan going exactly how she wanted is perfect. You can tell she has never been this excited to cause chaos before.