Didn't you have the green battery powered Bosch multitool? How does that compare to this one? When I came to buy a multitool last summer, I looked at the PMF-190E but it didn't feel "right" to me. The blue Bosch models were mighty expensive at the time so I ended up getting a Black & Decker MT300KA. I'm not really a fan of Black & Decker but this one suprised me well. Seems well built, very powerful, and the quick lock blade change works great. Wonder how long it will last.
Kabouter Pongel Yes, I used that a few years back but then I got rid of it (and some other tools). I also have the Milwaukee 12v version, but the mains powered machines are much better. I think I paid about £99 for this one (special offer at Screwfix). Black and Decker used to be okay years ago, but their build quality seemed to suffer over the years ( I remember my mate buying a Quattro drill and it didn't last long). My first two power tools were Black and Decker, when I was about 13 years old- drill and Jig saw ;-) I'd be interested to see how long the B&D multi-tool lasts. Thanks for the comment ;-)
Got one of these a few years ago and it has not let me down yet. Bought it at FFX tool show for a good price including numerous blades. Blades are expensive so would be good if you did a review on them.
I went for the Bosch PMF 250 CES via amazon. This is the one with the SDS functionality. The first one arrived and the SDS mechanism was jammed. Sent it back and another one arrived. This one worked, I kid you not for 5 minutes only to lock and jam. Sent it back and went for the Fein instead; fingers crossed!
I use the Fein version of this which has a quick release for blade replacement so no need for the allen key, as you say this is a very handy tool, so versatile, thanks for the upload.
I find that the sanding pad on mine chews up the hoops of the velcro on the sandpaper sheets long before the grit gets clogged or worn. the sheets will not hold any more after only a few minute of use..
Hi, in another video you used a straight edged wood blade for undercutting architrave, and in this demonstration you used the circular shaped blade. I was wondering which was best? I just bought a PMF220 and am about to do the same job! :)
If I remember rightly the circular shaped blade was slightly better as you can with it sideways, whereas the other blades can only cut at the front. Thanks for the comment
Completely agree with your review. After my old, well used 'green' Bosch PMF190 broke down whilst cutting metal nails, I bought one of these GOP250 machines to finish the job. Since then I've used for dozens of cutting & sanding jobs, and found it to be a much better machine - smoother, quieter, more powerful, easy to hold, and reliable. And at the price charged by Screwfix it was a steal. The only drawbacks are the lack of a quick tool change like the one on the (much more expensive) GOP300, and as you say the cost of the L-Boxx (I did buy one and would recommend it for the additional storage space). I do have concerns about longevity, as unlike the older versions and the GOP300, it's made in the Far East, but to date (about a year) it's been fine. Also the 3 year warranty gives me some piece of mind.
Benzknees I must admit that changing the tools on the machine is a bit of a slow process, especially when you see how easy it is with the tool less blade change systems. What size L Boxx did you get? I did have a quick look the other day but there were a few different sizes and wasn't sure which was the correct box for this. Thanks for the detailed comment ;-)
It's the L-Boxx 136 (the number is printed on the plastic inlay tray, where the tool holder box sits). I recall getting mine from Campbell Miller via eBay for just under £30 inc P&P. Although expensive it is built like a tank, handily clicks together with a smaller L-Boxx I got with my Bosch 10.8 drill & impact driver, and has very useful top and side carry handles. The only downside is the case clips, which take a bit of getting used to due to being too flexible.
+Ultimate Handyman - Just a further note on this machine. Mine broke down when it was just over 12 months old. The problem was the electronics module, which is also what went on my Bosch PMF190. Whilst both were repaired by Bosch under the extended warranty, this (and a brand new GSB 10.8v drill that needed a new chuck and gearbox!) has made me concerned about the quality control on modern Bosch power tools (or at least the cheaper ones). My older Bosch tools seem to have been much better built, and have never given me any problems.
+Benzknees I think you are probably right. Bosch used to say "I would rather lose money than trust." But now it seems they would rather make money, which is a shame! Thanks for the detailed comments ;-)
I had the Bosch PMF180 e which was a really useful tool, it wasn't a pro version but was fine for the amount of times I used it for. It's got a real annoying noise though which really got on my goat! It also took too long to cut and even with an aggressive blade due to the small oscillations. I sold mine as I want to get the 10.8v cordless for versatility. Thanks for the review.
Over the last ten years I've had two Feins FMM250Q (One was stolen, the other lent out, never to be seen again) and a Bosch GOP 250 CE. The Bosch GOP 250 CE has been an excellent machine that has been in constant, and I do mean constant use for at least a year, and has never let me down. It compares favourably with the Fein except for the allen key arrangement. The branded blades are, to my mind, hideously expensive for what they are, and so I buy my blades from Saxton Blades. www.saxtonblades.co.uk/. I restore sash windows for a living and need a constant supply. For general (wood) use I get the 32mm Long Reach Blades, and when nails/screws are embedded in the wood (and they always are) I use the 44mm LR Titanium Coated Blades. If I need a narrow blade (from 5 to 30mm) I simply slice a normal blade down with an angle grinder to the required size. (If anyone needs a video of how to do it I'll happily make one). Ultimate Handyman, your video is an excellent intro to this fantastic machine. If ever I was unfortunate enough to get my tools stolen (yet again) it would be the first power tool I'd buy. Keep producing your great videos. Regards Jim Sear www.rwjsear.com
afmfifgh The quick blade change on the Fein 250Q would be the winner for me. But it comes at a huge price differential. At the moment Screwfix is offering the Bosch at £79.00 whilst Toucan Tools are offering the Fein 250Q at £159.00.
Yes, I agree with Paul Hughes. The sanding pads are ridiculously expensive for the amount of sanding they will do before the velcro hoops wear away. You also have to be careful as some of the sanding heads provided by Botch have smaller hoops on that don't last as long. I've tried other makes of sanding heads and they fair no better. On for cutting in difficult areas, but I've reverted back to a small sander due to the excessive running costs. 8-/
Ricky C Thanks. I'll see how mine does soon as I have 4 windows to sand with it. I know with the Mirka Deros sander there is a "pad saver", which is a Velcro pad that is designed to wear out. This is placed on the machine between the sanding pad and abrasive, so perhaps this is a common problem on many sanders! Thanks for the comment
I own a gop 250ce & a gop10.8v , both are good machines & are used fairly regular @ work (maintenance caretaker) & in house renovation........good video :]
I'm an amateur but treated myself to this particular multi tool and got a deal where it comes with carry case and a few extra blades. Overkill I guess but it hasn't let me down so far and would guess it'll last me a lifetime. I want a Mira demos as per last video - stop doing these videos, I'll be broke soon lol 😀 great video as always UHM
i have had some bosch tools in the past and they have always been good and reliable even the abuse they used to get they still kept working most of my tools are makita now but i would buy a bosch again.
Drew Willcock www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/forum1/ If you read the posts in this thread by getthewheelsinline you will see the problem that he's having- www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/forum1/may-2015-free-to-enter-competition-t79083-15.html
BrainSeepsOut I guess they could have packed it with lead ;-) For the money I am sure this machine will be fine. I can't compare it to a Fein though as they are normally too pricey for me. I wonder if AvE could get one of these in Canada!
I brought a Bosch cordless one of these what a load a crap it destroyed the batteries after a couple of uses, had a cheap worx one for and it done me well. I dewalt now but it's bloody dangerous, it has a push sensitive switch which can get easliy knocked the amount of times I nearly injured my legs.
make sure if you buy it you register the tool with bosch i am on my third first gearbox went 2 years,, next gearbox one year,, next teeth on tool holder one year,,, great tool but wont buy another
Didn't you have the green battery powered Bosch multitool?
How does that compare to this one?
When I came to buy a multitool last summer, I looked at the PMF-190E but it didn't feel "right" to me. The blue Bosch models were mighty expensive at the time so I ended up getting a Black & Decker MT300KA. I'm not really a fan of Black & Decker but this one suprised me well. Seems well built, very powerful, and the quick lock blade change works great. Wonder how long it will last.
Kabouter Pongel
Yes, I used that a few years back but then I got rid of it (and some other tools). I also have the Milwaukee 12v version, but the mains powered machines are much better.
I think I paid about £99 for this one (special offer at Screwfix).
Black and Decker used to be okay years ago, but their build quality seemed to suffer over the years ( I remember my mate buying a Quattro drill and it didn't last long).
My first two power tools were Black and Decker, when I was about 13 years old- drill and Jig saw ;-)
I'd be interested to see how long the B&D multi-tool lasts.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Got one of these a few years ago and it has not let me down yet. Bought it at FFX tool show for a good price including numerous blades. Blades are expensive so would be good if you did a review on them.
Got one myself, probably one of the most useful and best built tools Bosch has made in recent times.
aserta
Thanks for the comment
I went for the Bosch PMF 250 CES via amazon. This is the one with the SDS functionality. The first one arrived and the SDS mechanism was jammed. Sent it back and another one arrived. This one worked, I kid you not for 5 minutes only to lock and jam. Sent it back and went for the Fein instead; fingers crossed!
Blimey that's not good! I hope you get years of use from the fein ;-)
I use the Fein version of this which has a quick release for blade replacement so no need for the allen key, as you say this is a very handy tool, so versatile, thanks for the upload.
D Bradbury
You are welcome.
I have looked at the Fein in the past, but this one was on special offer so won on price ;-)
Thanks for the comment
I find that the sanding pad on mine chews up the hoops of the velcro on the sandpaper sheets long before the grit gets clogged or worn. the sheets will not hold any more after only a few minute of use..
Paul Hughes
I have some windows to sand soon, I'll see if I have any similar problems ;-)
Hi, in another video you used a straight edged wood blade for undercutting architrave, and in this demonstration you used the circular shaped blade. I was wondering which was best? I just bought a PMF220 and am about to do the same job! :)
If I remember rightly the circular shaped blade was slightly better as you can with it sideways, whereas the other blades can only cut at the front.
Thanks for the comment
Great, thank you so much
Completely agree with your review. After my old, well used 'green' Bosch PMF190 broke down whilst cutting metal nails, I bought one of these GOP250 machines to finish the job. Since then I've used for dozens of cutting & sanding jobs, and found it to be a much better machine - smoother, quieter, more powerful, easy to hold, and reliable. And at the price charged by Screwfix it was a steal. The only drawbacks are the lack of a quick tool change like the one on the (much more expensive) GOP300, and as you say the cost of the L-Boxx (I did buy one and would recommend it for the additional storage space). I do have concerns about longevity, as unlike the older versions and the GOP300, it's made in the Far East, but to date (about a year) it's been fine. Also the 3 year warranty gives me some piece of mind.
Benzknees
I must admit that changing the tools on the machine is a bit of a slow process, especially when you see how easy it is with the tool less blade change systems. What size L Boxx did you get? I did have a quick look the other day but there were a few different sizes and wasn't sure which was the correct box for this.
Thanks for the detailed comment ;-)
It's the L-Boxx 136 (the number is printed on the plastic inlay tray, where the tool holder box sits). I recall getting mine from Campbell Miller via eBay for just under £30 inc P&P. Although expensive it is built like a tank, handily clicks together with a smaller L-Boxx I got with my Bosch 10.8 drill & impact driver, and has very useful top and side carry handles. The only downside is the case clips, which take a bit of getting used to due to being too flexible.
Benzknees
Brilliant, thanks for the info ;-)
+Ultimate Handyman - Just a further note on this machine. Mine broke down when it was just over 12 months old. The problem was the electronics module, which is also what went on my Bosch PMF190. Whilst both were repaired by Bosch under the extended warranty, this (and a brand new GSB 10.8v drill that needed a new chuck and gearbox!) has made me concerned about the quality control on modern Bosch power tools (or at least the cheaper ones). My older Bosch tools seem to have been much better built, and have never given me any problems.
+Benzknees
I think you are probably right. Bosch used to say "I would rather lose money than trust." But now it seems they would rather make money, which is a shame!
Thanks for the detailed comments ;-)
I had the Bosch PMF180 e which was a really useful tool, it wasn't a pro version but was fine for the amount of times I used it for. It's got a real annoying noise though which really got on my goat! It also took too long to cut and even with an aggressive blade due to the small oscillations. I sold mine as I want to get the 10.8v cordless for versatility. Thanks for the review.
Zed Man
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Over the last ten years I've had two Feins FMM250Q (One was stolen, the other lent out, never to be seen again) and a Bosch GOP 250 CE. The Bosch GOP 250 CE has been an excellent machine that has been in constant, and I do mean constant use for at least a year, and has never let me down. It compares favourably with the Fein except for the allen key arrangement. The branded blades are, to my mind, hideously expensive for what they are, and so I buy my blades from Saxton Blades. www.saxtonblades.co.uk/. I restore sash windows for a living and need a constant supply. For general (wood) use I get the 32mm Long Reach Blades, and when nails/screws are embedded in the wood (and they always are) I use the 44mm LR Titanium Coated Blades. If I need a narrow blade (from 5 to 30mm) I simply slice a normal blade down with an angle grinder to the required size.
(If anyone needs a video of how to do it I'll happily make one).
Ultimate Handyman, your video is an excellent intro to this fantastic machine.
If ever I was unfortunate enough to get my tools stolen (yet again) it would be the first power tool I'd buy. Keep producing your great videos. Regards
Jim Sear www.rwjsear.com
Jim Sear
Thanks Jim,
I have heard of Saxton blades before but did not know anyone that had used them.
I'll be sure to check them out ;-)
afmfifgh The quick blade change on the Fein 250Q would be the winner for me. But it comes at a huge price differential. At the moment Screwfix is offering the Bosch at £79.00 whilst Toucan Tools are offering the Fein 250Q at £159.00.
Yes, I agree with Paul Hughes. The sanding pads are ridiculously expensive for the amount of sanding they will do before the velcro hoops wear away. You also have to be careful as some of the sanding heads provided by Botch have smaller hoops on that don't last as long. I've tried other makes of sanding heads and they fair no better. On for cutting in difficult areas, but I've reverted back to a small sander due to the excessive running costs. 8-/
Ricky C
Thanks. I'll see how mine does soon as I have 4 windows to sand with it.
I know with the Mirka Deros sander there is a "pad saver", which is a Velcro pad that is designed to wear out. This is placed on the machine between the sanding pad and abrasive, so perhaps this is a common problem on many sanders!
Thanks for the comment
I use mine almost daily. Removing silicone with the blades bosch sell is seriously easy! not to mention the constant electronics it has
Luke Tuttiett
Thanks, I'll try one of these on silicone soon.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
I own a gop 250ce & a gop10.8v , both are good machines & are used fairly regular @ work (maintenance caretaker) & in house renovation........good video :]
+CC MOGS Thanks for the comment ;-)
Fantastic review and great tool, I'm in the market for getting a multi tool, and i think this is the one!
Faisal Y
Thanks Faisal, if you can get one of these at the right price it should be ideal ;-)
I'm an amateur but treated myself to this particular multi tool and got a deal where it comes with carry case and a few extra blades. Overkill I guess but it hasn't let me down so far and would guess it'll last me a lifetime. I want a Mira demos as per last video - stop doing these videos, I'll be broke soon lol 😀 great video as always UHM
honestmcgyver
Ha Ha, I do apologise.
I must get back to the "how to videos" and stop showing tools ;-)
Thanks for the comment
i have had some bosch tools in the past and they have always been good and reliable even the abuse they used to get they still kept working most of my tools are makita now but i would buy a bosch again.
terry987654
I must admit I do not own much Makita gear.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
What forum??
Drew Willcock
www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/forum1/
If you read the posts in this thread by getthewheelsinline you will see the problem that he's having-
www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/forum1/may-2015-free-to-enter-competition-t79083-15.html
Looks good mate. Very useful video as usual. Thank you sire.
A. Samrout
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment
AvE has spoiled me I guess so I don't trust it when people say "it's heavy, so it's well built"...
BrainSeepsOut
I guess they could have packed it with lead ;-)
For the money I am sure this machine will be fine. I can't compare it to a Fein though as they are normally too pricey for me.
I wonder if AvE could get one of these in Canada!
I brought a Bosch cordless one of these what a load a crap it destroyed the batteries after a couple of uses, had a cheap worx one for and it done me well. I dewalt now but it's bloody dangerous, it has a push sensitive switch which can get easliy knocked the amount of times I nearly injured my legs.
+justyjust
Blimey, you want to be careful with that!
Thanks for the comment
make sure if you buy it you register the tool with bosch
i am on my third
first gearbox went 2 years,, next gearbox one year,, next teeth on tool holder one year,,,
great tool but wont buy another
Blimey, that is not good!
Thanks for the info ;-)
We have the green version, it's good
proce09
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Great video thanks.
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment 👍
it's so weak that took an age to cut that architrave