Great video. I've been thinking of building a Voron for a few months now. Just recently got my Ender3 Pro printing like a dream. Every other Voron video I've seen is a year old, been looking for something more recent. I'm glad this showed up in my feed. Subscribed.
I’m honestly glad you are splitting it up. While I was excited to get into the process, I definitely like the sub-15 minute length and with the discussion out of the way I feel like more emotionally ready for the build.
Glad to hear! My next video is set to be 30 minutes, and I don't REALLY want to split it up, but maybe I will have to... because that is honestly really long.
@@thenextlayer i actually think longform is fine solong as you have really good timestamps. One of my fav synthesizer youtubers (Loopop) puts a quick table of contents on the beginning of the video too and it's really nice if i only care about certain parts or want to jump around or pick back up at a certain part later. That being said, if it hurts your revenue for us to jump around rather than play straight through, by all means split it in half!
Love to see you interacting with your kids while working with your printer. I have been somewhat interested in getting a 3d printer for quite a while but I was never quite sure what I would do with it. I recently became a Dad as well and all of a sudden I got this idea that I could print toys for my son. So I went and bought my first printer. It's an Ender 3 s1 pro. Watching your videos has really expanded my imagination of what is possible.
I like how you explained the comparison between why you would build something like this. For me, I'm not the kind of person that would build something like this. I would rather go with something like the Bambu P1P or X1 Carbon. For me it's about the production, not the build. The hotrod analogy was great.
As someone who has an X1C and Voron Switchwire, the Voron was worth the work, at least for me. The X1C has a higher absolute movement speed, but when comparing two ABS parts printed at 16mm3/s, the Switchwire produces nicer parts without any ringing or z-wobble lines. I see the benefits of both approaches though. I have my Switchwire for printing airtight PETCF parts and the X1C for everything else where quality isn't as important.
It sounds like the community would benefit from an interactive repository that has a way to select your build options so it will select and compile the appropriate guides
Thanks so much! I was a bit concerned that it was too commercial b/c I had so many sponsors I needed to thank but I'm glad you liked it, and next week's is EVEN BETTER!
Good lord, nearly twenty thousand subs in what looks like four months, and definitely deserved! Glad I got in early and got the chance to support from the beginning, can't wait for the next 20K and beyond!
There was a lot of hate about the sponsors, but it actually felt fairly seamless since they're subject related. Much better than a blacksmith talking about VOIP...
Amazing seeing the father come out of this! The next layer has a plan and that is to dominate the 3d printing content. I'm building a Voron as well and this isn't just a simple task one small mistake leads to hrs of issues. Something as simple as formatting an SD card the incorrect type can cause hrs of time gone!. For The next layer to do this on top of all the content and family to care for I give you props! Keep It Up! 3d printing is going to change the ways of life in the next years. In this community 10 years ago we thought we were at summit of the mountain with engineering attainment. Were still at that point but we are still no where close to the pinnacle with what can be done with 3d Printing. Keep Inspiring Its Working!!
While I can agree, I honestly don't have the want to spend that much time building a printer these days personally. But again, I get it, if that's something you enjoy doing, go for it. Nice looking printer, congrats on getting it done and being happy with it.
Glad to see you have a finalized build! The 2.4 is NOT an easy build so congrats on getting it completed. I'm looking forward to building mine in the near future :)
I'm living a similar story with a Trident build. Was collecting parts for a DIY build and got PIF printed parts from the Voron group, then bought an available LDO kit so combining the LDO, PIF and my customizations into a puzzle of large proportions. Fun but time consuming. Jumping between instructions, backtracking slightly, and trying to predict ahead to optimize the work has been interesting. Tried printing a few parts on the Prusa but they didn't stick to the bed, so building with PIF and a couple of PETG parts and will reprint them when the Voron is together.. Then on to the Salad Fork :) .
I don’t want to be rude, but I feel it’s important that it be said. Your overdoing the paid advertisements. We spend the first have of the video listening to sales pitches of why these companies are so great. I realize you need to make money with this chanel, but when everything is a sales pitch, it makes me question your word on product quality. Huge bummer for me, because I was really looking forward to a voron video.
Thanks for this feedback, I appreciate it. My wife said the same thing, and I feel it too. At the same time, I did receive free products in exchange for sharing my opinions about those products, and so I felt a need to share those opinions (which were mostly positive). I think I could've done a better job toning it down, and next week's video will NOT feel so sponsorey at all, because I've already "gotten it out of the way" thanking everyone who sent me free products. I hope I haven't turned you off of the channel entirely, because I do appreciate your feedback and will do better going forward.
@@thenextlayer I do think you can't please everyone but sales is part of the Job. As long as you believe in what your selling and you make your point but don't over do it you can always use this as a learning experience for your Next video. I know it's difficult to make videos and I think your doing a great job
@@thenextlayer absolutely not turned off. It’s a new channel and I can appreciate the learning curve. Overall, you are putting out great content, and I hope you want continue to do so. I was just attempting to give some constructive criticism. I hope it didn’t come off to harsh. Keep up the great work.
Wait what? The video was sponsored by a filament company? Also VORON IS NOT A COMPANY….LDO sells motors and decided to put the parts list together for other who do not want to go through the massive spread sheet. This video was great. And if you had done any amount of research on voron you would know most of what I just said and that it’s basically impossible for him to have done what you thought you were watching. Hope that makes sense.
I think most of us understand that youtubers gotta pay the bills too. Someone’s gotta pay for “free” content and it’s not gonna be me. So long as your working with reputable and trustworthy brands that are relevant to your audience I think it’s fine.
Nice printer, I am currently working on the 300mm Trident and have my 350 2.4 kit sitting in my closet waiting to be built next. I used PIF for the printed parts this time, the 2.4 I plan on doing it myself.
Having built both a formbot and a LDO kit - the LDO is in a different league of nice. They've documented everything, it's just up to us to actually pay attention and do what they've told us to do ;) The original PDF manual isn't trivial to modify unfortunately and I think given the reality of it all, that LDO has done it in the best way possible. But you're spot on when it comes to how the process is such a big part of it, it goes way beyond just assembling a 3d printer. Lots of fun, so much learning and remember - you're your own support so actually knowing how it went together is kind of an upside (there is a helping team on the voron discord though - but knowing how its built helps a lot). In fact, it's so much fun I've already built 2 machines and will build more down the line... :D
There's a(rather easy to do tbh) way to make an excel(or rather Google sheet) sheet from a Google survey. So someone could fill it out saying what parts they have or different specs like which hotend etc and the form could be emailed to them on what parts they needed to print out. Not to mention have the output editable so the person can caiter the list to their needs. Besides that, loved this video, new and loving your candor on all your videos! As a fellow content creator, you do a great job and can't wait to see other insites and stuff you learn!
If you like to tinker, then building a voron is a fun process... I really enjoyed building my 2.4 . I was actually a little disappointed when the build was complete. I did not have any problem following build guides, but I self-sourced and any deviations from the build guide were deliberate.
I can appreciate the fact you're enjoying the build process. I enjoyed building the Rostock back in the day. ...but I can firmly tell you, after doing so, I have no desire to go through that process again. If I get one of these, it'll probably be the mostly assembled Troodon.
I am 100% with you on everything you have said thus far. I loved how thorough and how much attention to mods and parts and labeling LDO paid. Then I ran into the same issues with guides and addendums and ruining parts, and wasting time to the point that I just kinda took a break, and ordered parts that I wasn't aware I even needed! "Klicky printed parts" I agree that it is mostly my fault for not being prepared and doing my proper research beforehand, but I was excited. I pulled the trigger too quickly and now I am frustrated beyond belief. I have recently ordered a Bambu Lab p1p but fully intend to get back to the 2.4 when I get a little free time. Thanks for the vid, keep up the great effort!
I've bought mine and destroyed 2 PEI trying to level the Z axys. Now I'm waiting for the 3rd to arrive. Voron is awesome but it's NOT a good idea for a first timer. Not that I am, but it's far different from an Ender3 or any bed slinger. Learning from my mistakes, I would suggest for future makers that READ the klipper manual thoroughly before thinking about a Voron.
When I was building my LDO kit V0.1, I had so many tabs open in my browser of different guides, tutorials and diagrams! Definitely part of the process though!
The issues you had with various versions are interesting, when I built my V1.8 it was ONE guide, and a quick addendum since I wanted to go with a Dragon hotend instead of a V6. I also cheaped out in some aspects of using old parts, and had to make some....interesting...modifications because of it (mostly on the Z axis). The machine is a workhorse, and I've toyed with the idea of picking up a V0 or a V2 as a supplemental printer. I've also looked into what it'd take to turn mine into a Trident or a V2, and it'd be about as much as a new one lol, so something to keep in mind for upgrade paths.
When I build my V2.4 350 I went ahead and look through all manuals involved in the build. For LDO kit you will likely have 4-5 manuals to skim through. Then I just print parts in order of the build manual while waiting for the kit to arrive. I didn’t use spreadsheet or checklist the help in tracking down which part is needed for the build and which one is not. All you need to do is flip through all manuals before printing parts. you’ll know which one you need by the time you finish reading.😂
Another hot take on the "maybe someone should do a Voron+SB+LDO manual". Voron's ethos is you make it and build it yourself with the most basic materials as practically possible. LDO is way out of that mindset and it makes the printer 50% more expensive than it could be (some people self source on AliExpress for 750 bucks, and other kits are not much more expensive than that and yield a printer that is as good as LDO's) As for the Stealthburner, it's still RC (release candidate) which is why Afterburner is still stock config. I can imagined that once Tap has seen enough use and gets a "1.0" release they'll merge Tap and SB (it was meant that way to begin with anyway) and make that setup stock config with an updated manual.
Another area worth focusing on for your next video is the stealthburner and Clockwork 2 wiring. I had to create print my own toolhead PCB mount design because the LDO kit mount didn't fit.
I love your videos. Basically I started to use the Printables because of your recommendation. I would love a compare video with the Bamboolab printers in YOUR POINT OF VIEW after 1 or 2 months of use. But as a Material Engineering student I would love to see a video about that you how recycle your filed prints, shatter it and make a new spool of filament from it, or just simply throw away (in the trash or the recycle bin in this case doesn’t change anything), or any of your recommendations in the recycling. PS: I agree the special thanks the recommendations of the companies who gifted the materials and the kits, but I would appreciate if there would a separate section for this in the beginning or/and the end of the video, because right now with rude speaking it feels like “They gave me this so use this with your prints”.
I have been enjoying your videos, great production quality and skills in front of the camera for being a fairly new channel. 👌 I built an LDO V2.4 this summer and am in love with it, and how well it works now that I’ve customized it exactly how I want it. Is yours going to live in the same wooden enclosure in your studio room? I have an enclosure that is very similar so I am wondering how you will deal with the heat inside with the glass window door closed, or the noise in the room with that door open, the V2.4 at good speeds is on a completely different noise level than a slow bed slinger… 😬 you should also look into the Nevermore Max, that would be a great mod for your long term health if you and your wife are going to work in that room breathing in the same air all the time. Keep it up! 💪🏼
For your next video, may I suggest that you cover build plate and belt tuning - all the videos and guides I have seen don't really cover some of the nuance of this well (especially the Z belts).
Pretty cool but definitely not for me. Too expensive and too much fiddling around. I'll stick with my Bambu X1C. It is cool to see you getting sponsors and the channel continuing to grow.
YEP! There's a clear audience here, and it sounds like you aren't part of it - and that's OK! The X1C is an amazing machine if you enjoy printing more than building printers
I love that there is an open source culture around this. Some of these other Maker tools that are coming out are neat and all, but do we really need a small-scale Apple knock-off?
i have an old AnetA8, it never performed good because it require calibration (i bought a autolevel sensor but never installed) and because the plate calibration is so hard and the general stability is not good. It's possible to recycle that printer parts for building a Voron 2.4? i also have a Selaed 1kg black PLA at home, do i need other PLA? what will be the cost?
So if I want a bigger print size, just print a new rig bigger and increase size of the bed? Currently pondering a CR 30 anyway but a 12x12x12 bed for standard printer sounds better.
That’s awesome! I should build a voron, but what I really want is a cnc and those mpcnc builds look like a lot of fun. Think you’re up for the challenge?
Ooooh... not sure. I need more space, first. I have a few more things here (2 more machines I haven't shown yet...) that have filled up every single surface
Thanks for this feedback, I appreciate it. My wife said the same thing, and I feel it too. At the same time, I did receive free products in exchange for sharing my opinions about those products, and so I felt a need to share those opinions (which were mostly positive). I think I could've done a better job toning it down, and next week's video will NOT feel so sponsorey at all, because I've already "gotten it out of the way" thanking everyone who sent me free products. I hope I haven't turned you off of the channel entirely, because I do appreciate your feedback and will do better going forward.
Also why not make a larger contains all guild with pdf jump links to other parts (like the different hotends) then link back to the main guide to continue and then more links for different parts. I know they won't contain LDOs guides but if they make a guide like you said then Ldo can just put a card that says after step X jump to our wiring guide and after step Y jump to our klipper setup, etc
I see you have extended your workspace into the kitchen... Soon you will have the whole house... To yourself 😉. Good use of STEM education, and bonding time with the new one,.
This was a really well done video. You nailed it when it came to describing why people build Vorons. I refuse to spend $1000+ on a pre-built printer, but I will happily spend the same amount of money on something I get to make myself. You get it.
I think Voron and the kit manufacturers should select a "starter package" and then offer EVERYTHING for that in a kit (i.e. including parts, wiring, EVERYTHING!) and have a single document describing that package's assembly. Sure the "every Voron is unique" statement might sound cool, but for a lot of people the initial complexity will turn them off. Once you have that starter, then you have something to build your own parts for upgrades or a next printer. The second thing turning people off will likely be the price. Also there standardizing on a single "starter package" should allow for some scale-optimisations, no?
I should be fair, if you want to keep it standard, you can use the main guide except add in the wiring guide for Voron, and a few different printed parts, b/c they are upgraded and improved over the standard build. My build was harder b/c I wanted Klicky/Stealthburner/etc
I've been waiting for this! Great video! I guess that's one benefit of the formbot kit then. Only really had to follow the original voron guide and nothing else
I see the Voron and I'm like "I need that". But then I look in the room with my three printers and see the RC Car I started to rebuild 3 years ago that still isn't done, and I'm like eh, probably shouldn't.
Are you still looking for a camera Slider for your new studio? I have a Zeapon Motorized Micro 2 that I bought… thinking I would use it… turns out I don’t use it. I would love to send it to you.
Hot take on the "selecting and printing Voron parts is a pain" : I honestly think an LDO kit makes it more complicated because it's not a stock config, adding these extra options (including the clicky probe parts which only help making this mod the de facto "I have other issues but clicky solved it therefore the inductive probe is shit" symptom generator) just create to much noise for newcomer IMHO.. I "maked" my 350 2.4r1 from a basic (stock) kit from Formbot and I could tell what I needed to print just by looking at the name of the parts. It took maybe 30min sorting the STLs out, planning the plates and labeling plastic bags with based on the folder names. The build was made effortlessly using only the official manual and the docs website, nothing else. Also while it's fine to mention you can order printed parts from 3rd party companies, it would have been great to have mentioned the PIF (print it forward) program as the best way to get printed parts, they're made by the Voron community under the (stringent) control of Doc and it's also probably the most cost efficient way. EDIT : Yeah that's also why you had issues with things not in the manual. The best thing any newcomer can do is build a stock Voron first, and tune it later. The stock config comes with 95% of the performance you'll get with "upgrades".
Video about how to setup klipper and the raspberry pi and leveling? I built a Voron 0.2 but I can't find anything about after the build and I'm having some trouble
tbh I did not read the guide for the kicky probe I just downloaded random stuff onto my config till it worked. but the whole thing was such a fun experience.
What do you think about all the kits that popped up in Amazon for voron kits just saw them and haven't fully checked them out but would be nice to see what you and everyone thinks
No experience with them. Personally I'd go with the LDO kit b/c it's trusted and they support the community. You can get it at jle.vi/voron or jle.vi/voroneurope
13:20 Oh, i'm gonna do this, in fact, if been going over the docs for 2 weeks now. Printer sitting here ready to go. I, like you, am a little confused on the extruder/hotend deal. I also want to go stealthburner and tap. no clicky. I also want to go canbus with an umbilical cord. If im going to build one, i want to build it for future. Also, i have the aluminum parts here to save me some printing. Good video, sounds just like me except i didn't build mine yet.
Yeah, it's pretty insane, to be honest... and yesterday I went to Rav Meimad, the local LDO reseller who has had time to tune his machines... OMG the quality is like 2x as good as mine.
so welcome in to the Voron Madness, everything you said in this video is completly true. I chose build 350mm voron just because i want "the experience", rather buying bambulab which is just tool for me. Only one problem is, its never going to be done, NEVER :D :D (i really need to buy Rapido over E3D hotend) i'm looking forward to next video about your build, just a good stuff!!!
@@thenextlayer GOOD LORD! That's crazy fast! I assume you have to up the temperature to print that fast, right? I might have to do this after the move.
You don’t need to buy printed parts nor print them yourself. Join the Voron Print it Forward (PiF) queue and you’ll get perfectly printed parts, done on perfectly tuned Voron printers, for basically the cost of filament. That’s the preferred way to source printed parts.
This is awesome... i will be figuring out my build as soon as my first printer gets here and i can start accumulating the parts i need!... i just hope i can keep track of the build parts i need to get! And dont want to over buy 😂 i just want a stock voron then ill work on upgrades! (Plus give me a reson to build a 2nd one!)
Would you mind sharing that configurator spreadsheet? I didn't manage to find it even copying the URL from your browser :P Thanks for the grat content!
It doesn't have to be US made, just made in a country that respects human rights and isn't openly working to undermine our country. I wonder how much of the Prusa is actually EU made?
@The Next Layer - Amazing! I wish I had seen this video a couple months ago. I just finished building the exact same machine and went through all those sites and guides. I have also been thinking about the same question about who should document the build for the scenario where you buy an LDO kit, with a certain selection of options. I think that the vendor that sold the kit should knit all those links together as things are today, however... ... Voron's official guide does have issues and could definitely be improved to help navigate the tons of resources you will need.
I am sorry but your struggles are your own fault, the main guide is perfect for building a Voron, most people do not get a kit sent to them so they will research what they are buying, and as soon as you look at LDO you will see links to their guide for their kit, and they are a great kit, I have built an LDO and a Formbot kit, and I would choose LDO every time. Changes to the build guide for each and every mod, addon or change would mean that a team of people would have a full time job just referencing all the mods and the guide would then be a mess. Stealthburner is an addon, Kliky is an addon, Tap is an addon, all these guide are well written but are NOT required to build a Voron. Also there is a Discord that has the most hepfull people on the planet giving there time and knowledge to help you build Your Voron becase as soon as you depart from the orignal manual it is no longer a Voron, it's your Voron.
Yep, that's true, and as I said, I DID make mistakes and I WAS told to do the research ahead of time and didn't. Still, because LDO is a commercial company selling a kit, and because they sent the kit to me asking for honest feedback, I wanted to provide that feedback, that I think they should just make ONE fork of the main guide for their product. I think they'd agree that's fair feedback.
Not understand sorting files problem, download from git, and print it folder by folder, black and (A)orange, easy :) only diference is in skirts also folders for sizes, and extruder is also on git. Print ABS and ASA on Prusa is pain, also printed on my prusa. Never again :D
Got to be honest, I stopped watching about halfway through. I was really interested in the video, but there was almost no real discussion and showcasing the build process, this just felt like one enormous sponsor spot. Wish this channel the best, but I came for a Voron build, not a sales pitch.
If you want to build and get a very capable printer. voron/vzbot builds are great additional printers. For everyone else who just needs a capable printer, without the build, thankfully there are alternatives for less The new kid Bambu lab X1/X1C or P1P. It's hard to argue a 20-30min unbox and ready to print vs 40- 200 hrs time investment.
If you want a readily assembled printer, this isn't the one for you. You can buy them assembled, but you'll be better off with an X1C or something, b/c this printer is a lot about the experience
THANK YOU for watching (seriously!). I read every comment, so please, let me know what you think, or what you'd like to know more about!
Great video. I've been thinking of building a Voron for a few months now. Just recently got my Ender3 Pro printing like a dream. Every other Voron video I've seen is a year old, been looking for something more recent. I'm glad this showed up in my feed. Subscribed.
May want to check your title card. I think it read, "I maked this". Maybe you meant it...maybe not.
Better thumbnail would be: "I built this".
@@jleadbetter29 intentional :)
Sounds like a personal problem. Let dude live
I’m honestly glad you are splitting it up. While I was excited to get into the process, I definitely like the sub-15 minute length and with the discussion out of the way I feel like more emotionally ready for the build.
Glad to hear! My next video is set to be 30 minutes, and I don't REALLY want to split it up, but maybe I will have to... because that is honestly really long.
@@thenextlayer i actually think longform is fine solong as you have really good timestamps. One of my fav synthesizer youtubers (Loopop) puts a quick table of contents on the beginning of the video too and it's really nice if i only care about certain parts or want to jump around or pick back up at a certain part later. That being said, if it hurts your revenue for us to jump around rather than play straight through, by all means split it in half!
Time stamps make all the difference on those long videos, super useful vs skipping a video entirely!
Love to see you interacting with your kids while working with your printer. I have been somewhat interested in getting a 3d printer for quite a while but I was never quite sure what I would do with it. I recently became a Dad as well and all of a sudden I got this idea that I could print toys for my son. So I went and bought my first printer. It's an Ender 3 s1 pro. Watching your videos has really expanded my imagination of what is possible.
Thanks, that's awesome, and I'm so glad to hear. I can't wait till my kids are old enough to say "dad, print me a...."
It's not just about the Voron, it's about the guides you read along the way
I like how you explained the comparison between why you would build something like this. For me, I'm not the kind of person that would build something like this. I would rather go with something like the Bambu P1P or X1 Carbon. For me it's about the production, not the build. The hotrod analogy was great.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it and that I was able to bring a unique perspective that wasn't covered by the 1000 other people who have these ;)
As someone who has an X1C and Voron Switchwire, the Voron was worth the work, at least for me. The X1C has a higher absolute movement speed, but when comparing two ABS parts printed at 16mm3/s, the Switchwire produces nicer parts without any ringing or z-wobble lines. I see the benefits of both approaches though. I have my Switchwire for printing airtight PETCF parts and the X1C for everything else where quality isn't as important.
wow I didnt know you 3D printed an actual baby! Congrats!
Great script, great footage, great statements, great hat, great baby and great length - instant 100% watch after the bell rang :-)
(Seriously!)
Wow. Thanks man!! Super appreciate it and you!
It sounds like the community would benefit from an interactive repository that has a way to select your build options so it will select and compile the appropriate guides
Looking forward to every video you create and this one was no different! Can't wait to see more! This was an awesome walk-through!
Thanks so much! I was a bit concerned that it was too commercial b/c I had so many sponsors I needed to thank but I'm glad you liked it, and next week's is EVEN BETTER!
@@thenextlayer I cannot wait for your next video!
Good lord, nearly twenty thousand subs in what looks like four months, and definitely deserved! Glad I got in early and got the chance to support from the beginning, can't wait for the next 20K and beyond!
Yeah!!! It’s been a wild ride. Next goal 100k. But before then hopefully a studio….
There was a lot of hate about the sponsors, but it actually felt fairly seamless since they're subject related. Much better than a blacksmith talking about VOIP...
Amazing seeing the father come out of this! The next layer has a plan and that is to dominate the 3d printing content. I'm building a Voron as well and this isn't just a simple task one small mistake leads to hrs of issues. Something as simple as formatting an SD card the incorrect type can cause hrs of time gone!. For The next layer to do this on top of all the content and family to care for I give you props! Keep It Up! 3d printing is going to change the ways of life in the next years. In this community 10 years ago we thought we were at summit of the mountain with engineering attainment. Were still at that point but we are still no where close to the pinnacle with what can be done with 3d Printing. Keep Inspiring Its Working!!
Wow, thanks so much for the kind words!
@@thenextlayer congrats on 19k btw your moving quick
While I can agree, I honestly don't have the want to spend that much time building a printer these days personally. But again, I get it, if that's something you enjoy doing, go for it. Nice looking printer, congrats on getting it done and being happy with it.
Glad to see you have a finalized build! The 2.4 is NOT an easy build so congrats on getting it completed. I'm looking forward to building mine in the near future :)
thanks for all your help and support
I'm living a similar story with a Trident build. Was collecting parts for a DIY build and got PIF printed parts from the Voron group, then bought an available LDO kit so combining the LDO, PIF and my customizations into a puzzle of large proportions. Fun but time consuming. Jumping between instructions, backtracking slightly, and trying to predict ahead to optimize the work has been interesting. Tried printing a few parts on the Prusa but they didn't stick to the bed, so building with PIF and a couple of PETG parts and will reprint them when the Voron is together.. Then on to the Salad Fork :) .
Good to see you again Alan! Sounds fun. What is a salad fork.. lol?
@@thenextlayer Salad Fork == Mini-Trident :) . 160mm cubic build volume. Trident made with V0 type components.
I don’t want to be rude, but I feel it’s important that it be said. Your overdoing the paid advertisements. We spend the first have of the video listening to sales pitches of why these companies are so great. I realize you need to make money with this chanel, but when everything is a sales pitch, it makes me question your word on product quality. Huge bummer for me, because I was really looking forward to a voron video.
Thanks for this feedback, I appreciate it. My wife said the same thing, and I feel it too. At the same time, I did receive free products in exchange for sharing my opinions about those products, and so I felt a need to share those opinions (which were mostly positive). I think I could've done a better job toning it down, and next week's video will NOT feel so sponsorey at all, because I've already "gotten it out of the way" thanking everyone who sent me free products. I hope I haven't turned you off of the channel entirely, because I do appreciate your feedback and will do better going forward.
@@thenextlayer I do think you can't please everyone but sales is part of the Job. As long as you believe in what your selling and you make your point but don't over do it you can always use this as a learning experience for your Next video.
I know it's difficult to make videos and I think your doing a great job
@@thenextlayer absolutely not turned off. It’s a new channel and I can appreciate the learning curve. Overall, you are putting out great content, and I hope you want continue to do so. I was just attempting to give some constructive criticism. I hope it didn’t come off to harsh.
Keep up the great work.
Wait what? The video was sponsored by a filament company? Also VORON IS NOT A COMPANY….LDO sells motors and decided to put the parts list together for other who do not want to go through the massive spread sheet. This video was great. And if you had done any amount of research on voron you would know most of what I just said and that it’s basically impossible for him to have done what you thought you were watching. Hope that makes sense.
I think most of us understand that youtubers gotta pay the bills too. Someone’s gotta pay for “free” content and it’s not gonna be me. So long as your working with reputable and trustworthy brands that are relevant to your audience I think it’s fine.
This is awesome. Printing a printer is this printers' dream
Welcome to the club! looking forward to the upcoming Trident, V0, and Switchwire builds :)
Thanks, I've been enjoying your videos for sure... you definitely should have more views than you do!
@@thenextlayer Thank you!
Nice printer, I am currently working on the 300mm Trident and have my 350 2.4 kit sitting in my closet waiting to be built next. I used PIF for the printed parts this time, the 2.4 I plan on doing it myself.
WOW, I'm impressed by your devotion. How do you have so much time?!
@@thenextlayer Well its taking a little bit longer with a 19 month old kid, I just work on it when I can, and enjoy putting it together.
Having built both a formbot and a LDO kit - the LDO is in a different league of nice. They've documented everything, it's just up to us to actually pay attention and do what they've told us to do ;)
The original PDF manual isn't trivial to modify unfortunately and I think given the reality of it all, that LDO has done it in the best way possible.
But you're spot on when it comes to how the process is such a big part of it, it goes way beyond just assembling a 3d printer. Lots of fun, so much learning and remember - you're your own support so actually knowing how it went together is kind of an upside (there is a helping team on the voron discord though - but knowing how its built helps a lot). In fact, it's so much fun I've already built 2 machines and will build more down the line... :D
Wow! Impressed. How do you have so much free time?!
@@thenextlayer You sleep less 😂
There's a(rather easy to do tbh) way to make an excel(or rather Google sheet) sheet from a Google survey. So someone could fill it out saying what parts they have or different specs like which hotend etc and the form could be emailed to them on what parts they needed to print out. Not to mention have the output editable so the person can caiter the list to their needs. Besides that, loved this video, new and loving your candor on all your videos! As a fellow content creator, you do a great job and can't wait to see other insites and stuff you learn!
Great video - it captures the LDO build well in a concise format.
Thanks!
If you like to tinker, then building a voron is a fun process... I really enjoyed building my 2.4 . I was actually a little disappointed when the build was complete. I did not have any problem following build guides, but I self-sourced and any deviations from the build guide were deliberate.
I would agree
I can appreciate the fact you're enjoying the build process. I enjoyed building the Rostock back in the day. ...but I can firmly tell you, after doing so, I have no desire to go through that process again. If I get one of these, it'll probably be the mostly assembled Troodon.
I don't know, it was pretty happy doing the build, its just you have to look at it as a hobby in itself
I am 100% with you on everything you have said thus far. I loved how thorough and how much attention to mods and parts and labeling LDO paid. Then I ran into the same issues with guides and addendums and ruining parts, and wasting time to the point that I just kinda took a break, and ordered parts that I wasn't aware I even needed! "Klicky printed parts" I agree that it is mostly my fault for not being prepared and doing my proper research beforehand, but I was excited. I pulled the trigger too quickly and now I am frustrated beyond belief. I have recently ordered a Bambu Lab p1p but fully intend to get back to the 2.4 when I get a little free time. Thanks for the vid, keep up the great effort!
Glad my experience wasn’t unique!
I've bought mine and destroyed 2 PEI trying to level the Z axys. Now I'm waiting for the 3rd to arrive. Voron is awesome but it's NOT a good idea for a first timer. Not that I am, but it's far different from an Ender3 or any bed slinger. Learning from my mistakes, I would suggest for future makers that READ the klipper manual thoroughly before thinking about a Voron.
When I was building my LDO kit V0.1, I had so many tabs open in my browser of different guides, tutorials and diagrams! Definitely part of the process though!
The issues you had with various versions are interesting, when I built my V1.8 it was ONE guide, and a quick addendum since I wanted to go with a Dragon hotend instead of a V6. I also cheaped out in some aspects of using old parts, and had to make some....interesting...modifications because of it (mostly on the Z axis). The machine is a workhorse, and I've toyed with the idea of picking up a V0 or a V2 as a supplemental printer. I've also looked into what it'd take to turn mine into a Trident or a V2, and it'd be about as much as a new one lol, so something to keep in mind for upgrade paths.
When I build my V2.4 350 I went ahead and look through all manuals involved in the build. For LDO kit you will likely have 4-5 manuals to skim through. Then I just print parts in order of the build manual while waiting for the kit to arrive. I didn’t use spreadsheet or checklist the help in tracking down which part is needed for the build and which one is not. All you need to do is flip through all manuals before printing parts. you’ll know which one you need by the time you finish reading.😂
Another hot take on the "maybe someone should do a Voron+SB+LDO manual".
Voron's ethos is you make it and build it yourself with the most basic materials as practically possible. LDO is way out of that mindset and it makes the printer 50% more expensive than it could be (some people self source on AliExpress for 750 bucks, and other kits are not much more expensive than that and yield a printer that is as good as LDO's)
As for the Stealthburner, it's still RC (release candidate) which is why Afterburner is still stock config. I can imagined that once Tap has seen enough use and gets a "1.0" release they'll merge Tap and SB (it was meant that way to begin with anyway) and make that setup stock config with an updated manual.
Another area worth focusing on for your next video is the stealthburner and Clockwork 2 wiring. I had to create print my own toolhead PCB mount design because the LDO kit mount didn't fit.
Also, beware! I've now built three Vorons and a PrintNC. Machine building is addictive!
My 300mm Trident shows up this week, looking forward to seeing the rest of your build
Great video. Well done. Best editing so far imho
Wow, thanks! I'll pass on the feedback. Best is yet to come!
I love your videos. Basically I started to use the Printables because of your recommendation. I would love a compare video with the Bamboolab printers in YOUR POINT OF VIEW after 1 or 2 months of use. But as a Material Engineering student I would love to see a video about that you how recycle your filed prints, shatter it and make a new spool of filament from it, or just simply throw away (in the trash or the recycle bin in this case doesn’t change anything), or any of your recommendations in the recycling.
PS: I agree the special thanks the recommendations of the companies who gifted the materials and the kits, but I would appreciate if there would a separate section for this in the beginning or/and the end of the video, because right now with rude speaking it feels like “They gave me this so use this with your prints”.
I can probably do that
woohoo voron!!!! getting closer every day to convincing my partner to let me build a 2.4 :)
I hope you have a dedicated workspace ;)
@@thenextlayer kitchen island: this is my life now
I have been enjoying your videos, great production quality and skills in front of the camera for being a fairly new channel. 👌 I built an LDO V2.4 this summer and am in love with it, and how well it works now that I’ve customized it exactly how I want it. Is yours going to live in the same wooden enclosure in your studio room? I have an enclosure that is very similar so I am wondering how you will deal with the heat inside with the glass window door closed, or the noise in the room with that door open, the V2.4 at good speeds is on a completely different noise level than a slow bed slinger… 😬 you should also look into the Nevermore Max, that would be a great mod for your long term health if you and your wife are going to work in that room breathing in the same air all the time. Keep it up! 💪🏼
For your next video, may I suggest that you cover build plate and belt tuning - all the videos and guides I have seen don't really cover some of the nuance of this well (especially the Z belts).
Reminds me of the days of building the Linux kernel and app from scratch.
Pretty cool but definitely not for me. Too expensive and too much fiddling around. I'll stick with my Bambu X1C. It is cool to see you getting sponsors and the channel continuing to grow.
YEP! There's a clear audience here, and it sounds like you aren't part of it - and that's OK! The X1C is an amazing machine if you enjoy printing more than building printers
I love that there is an open source culture around this. Some of these other Maker tools that are coming out are neat and all, but do we really need a small-scale Apple knock-off?
This is my next build, so these videos will be great...thank you
Nice, good luck and just enjoy it man
i have an old AnetA8, it never performed good because it require calibration (i bought a autolevel sensor but never installed) and because the plate calibration is so hard and the general stability is not good. It's possible to recycle that printer parts for building a Voron 2.4? i also have a Selaed 1kg black PLA at home, do i need other PLA?
what will be the cost?
So if I want a bigger print size, just print a new rig bigger and increase size of the bed? Currently pondering a CR 30 anyway but a 12x12x12 bed for standard printer sounds better.
Congrats on the build and great video. What is the total cost of it?
That’s awesome! I should build a voron, but what I really want is a cnc and those mpcnc builds look like a lot of fun. Think you’re up for the challenge?
Ooooh... not sure. I need more space, first. I have a few more things here (2 more machines I haven't shown yet...) that have filled up every single surface
@@thenextlayer I like diy, but honestly I’d rather buy a quality cnc. Nice job on that voron!
Im getting so confused with all the sponsors etc. Too much of it interfering with your build.
Thanks for this feedback, I appreciate it. My wife said the same thing, and I feel it too. At the same time, I did receive free products in exchange for sharing my opinions about those products, and so I felt a need to share those opinions (which were mostly positive). I think I could've done a better job toning it down, and next week's video will NOT feel so sponsorey at all, because I've already "gotten it out of the way" thanking everyone who sent me free products. I hope I haven't turned you off of the channel entirely, because I do appreciate your feedback and will do better going forward.
Also why not make a larger contains all guild with pdf jump links to other parts (like the different hotends) then link back to the main guide to continue and then more links for different parts. I know they won't contain LDOs guides but if they make a guide like you said then Ldo can just put a card that says after step X jump to our wiring guide and after step Y jump to our klipper setup, etc
I see you have extended your workspace into the kitchen... Soon you will have the whole house... To yourself 😉. Good use of STEM education, and bonding time with the new one,.
Thanks! I hope that if my Patreon takes off, I can rent a basement somewhere :)
Great video can’t wait for the next one.
Thank you!
This was a really well done video. You nailed it when it came to describing why people build Vorons. I refuse to spend $1000+ on a pre-built printer, but I will happily spend the same amount of money on something I get to make myself. You get it.
Thanks! I was bummed that it was a little to sponsor heavy but I’m glad you enjoyed the video
Hey man is it Possible to get your cr 10 off your hands 🙏🏾🙏🏾 I’m not super fortunate I’ve purchased a ender 3but I’m trying to up my game
I think Voron and the kit manufacturers should select a "starter package" and then offer EVERYTHING for that in a kit (i.e. including parts, wiring, EVERYTHING!) and have a single document describing that package's assembly. Sure the "every Voron is unique" statement might sound cool, but for a lot of people the initial complexity will turn them off. Once you have that starter, then you have something to build your own parts for upgrades or a next printer. The second thing turning people off will likely be the price. Also there standardizing on a single "starter package" should allow for some scale-optimisations, no?
I should be fair, if you want to keep it standard, you can use the main guide except add in the wiring guide for Voron, and a few different printed parts, b/c they are upgraded and improved over the standard build. My build was harder b/c I wanted Klicky/Stealthburner/etc
Those exist. Looks like fabreeko not only sells the kits but you can buy the plastic parts as well.
I've been waiting for this! Great video!
I guess that's one benefit of the formbot kit then. Only really had to follow the original voron guide and nothing else
Yeah, but I don't know if that means there are compromises. The LDO has so many guides b/c it has so many improvements and upgrades
I see the Voron and I'm like "I need that".
But then I look in the room with my three printers and see the RC Car I started to rebuild 3 years ago that still isn't done, and I'm like eh, probably shouldn't.
Yeah man. Next week I'll share my conclusions and suggestions and then decide. Stay tuned.
Are you still looking for a camera Slider for your new studio? I have a Zeapon Motorized Micro 2 that I bought… thinking I would use it… turns out I don’t use it.
I would love to send it to you.
Also, my son and I are new 3D Printer users… and your channel has been our go to. Thank you for what you’re doing.
Thanks that is so kind of you but I got a great one :) Glad you guys are enjoying the channel, it means a lot to me
Right so I need to get 20000 sponsors to get my own DIY printer.
Welcome to the family!
Thanks :)
Hot take on the "selecting and printing Voron parts is a pain" : I honestly think an LDO kit makes it more complicated because it's not a stock config, adding these extra options (including the clicky probe parts which only help making this mod the de facto "I have other issues but clicky solved it therefore the inductive probe is shit" symptom generator) just create to much noise for newcomer IMHO.. I "maked" my 350 2.4r1 from a basic (stock) kit from Formbot and I could tell what I needed to print just by looking at the name of the parts. It took maybe 30min sorting the STLs out, planning the plates and labeling plastic bags with based on the folder names. The build was made effortlessly using only the official manual and the docs website, nothing else.
Also while it's fine to mention you can order printed parts from 3rd party companies, it would have been great to have mentioned the PIF (print it forward) program as the best way to get printed parts, they're made by the Voron community under the (stringent) control of Doc and it's also probably the most cost efficient way.
EDIT : Yeah that's also why you had issues with things not in the manual. The best thing any newcomer can do is build a stock Voron first, and tune it later. The stock config comes with 95% of the performance you'll get with "upgrades".
This is all good feedback, thanks. I forgot about PIF, for sure.
Video about how to setup klipper and the raspberry pi and leveling? I built a Voron 0.2 but I can't find anything about after the build and I'm having some trouble
tbh I did not read the guide for the kicky probe I just downloaded random stuff onto my config till it worked. but the whole thing was such a fun experience.
I watched the whole video. Now I need an aspirin. Sigh, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Oh, and congratulations on the little 3 d printed son.
Lol why aspirin? You didn’t enjoy the video?
What do you think about all the kits that popped up in Amazon for voron kits just saw them and haven't fully checked them out but would be nice to see what you and everyone thinks
No experience with them. Personally I'd go with the LDO kit b/c it's trusted and they support the community. You can get it at jle.vi/voron or jle.vi/voroneurope
What is the cheapest project that works well for a 3d printer for me to do from scratch?
13:20 Oh, i'm gonna do this, in fact, if been going over the docs for 2 weeks now. Printer sitting here ready to go. I, like you, am a little confused on the extruder/hotend deal. I also want to go stealthburner and tap. no clicky. I also want to go canbus with an umbilical cord. If im going to build one, i want to build it for future. Also, i have the aluminum parts here to save me some printing. Good video, sounds just like me except i didn't build mine yet.
I'm still amazed at the print quality of my V2.4. The building hustle is 100% worth it!
Yeah, it's pretty insane, to be honest... and yesterday I went to Rav Meimad, the local LDO reseller who has had time to tune his machines... OMG the quality is like 2x as good as mine.
so welcome in to the Voron Madness, everything you said in this video is completly true. I chose build 350mm voron just because i want "the experience", rather buying bambulab which is just tool for me. Only one problem is, its never going to be done, NEVER :D :D (i really need to buy Rapido over E3D hotend) i'm looking forward to next video about your build, just a good stuff!!!
Glad I nailed it according to a seasoned vet :)
How are the speeds on this thing? I've honestly been thinking about getting a bigger/faster printer and making it would be a great project for me.
I can print 200-250 comfortably, 300 reasonably, 400 is a bit sketchy. But 200-250 is nothing for this (compared to 80 for my Prusa)
@@thenextlayer GOOD LORD! That's crazy fast! I assume you have to up the temperature to print that fast, right? I might have to do this after the move.
I've gone up to 600 for infill on my machine
Cost?
I may be dense, and if so i am sorry. I cant find your affiliate link for 3DPros. Could you post it please?
I think they closed their affiliate program since then, no worries.
You don’t need to buy printed parts nor print them yourself. Join the Voron Print it Forward (PiF) queue and you’ll get perfectly printed parts, done on perfectly tuned Voron printers, for basically the cost of filament. That’s the preferred way to source printed parts.
Maked or made?
Made
It's a pattern-interrupt to catch your attention and get you to click... but also, it's an internet meme and it makes me laugh :)
@@thenextlayer well it does work
This is awesome... i will be figuring out my build as soon as my first printer gets here and i can start accumulating the parts i need!... i just hope i can keep track of the build parts i need to get! And dont want to over buy 😂 i just want a stock voron then ill work on upgrades! (Plus give me a reson to build a 2nd one!)
Great video! I plan to build my own in a few weeks I think. Where did you got the xls for the printed files?
To be honest, I don't remember and can't find it again! :(
Thank you! In my opinion it’s one of your best videos to date! I really appreciate your input and loved comparisons of bamboo/voron and Ferrar/Supra 😁
Wow, thank you so much for the super thanks, I really appreciate it :)
Would you mind sharing that configurator spreadsheet?
I didn't manage to find it even copying the URL from your browser :P
Thanks for the grat content!
Would it be possible to build one of these with minimal Chinese made content?
Very, very tricky... Good luck finding a US manufacturer who makes stepper motors, extrusions, etc.
It doesn't have to be US made, just made in a country that respects human rights and isn't openly working to undermine our country. I wonder how much of the Prusa is actually EU made?
@The Next Layer - Amazing! I wish I had seen this video a couple months ago.
I just finished building the exact same machine and went through all those sites and guides. I have also been thinking about the same question about who should document the build for the scenario where you buy an LDO kit, with a certain selection of options.
I think that the vendor that sold the kit should knit all those links together as things are today, however...
... Voron's official guide does have issues and could definitely be improved to help navigate the tons of resources you will need.
Hairspray and a brim is the way to go for for abs
Yeah true.
You linked everything except where to get these parts to make the 3D printer...
Mine is almost finished, fysetc kit was delivered with a faulty motherboard so I have to wait :(
So sorry to hear :(
@@thenextlayer It's the risks we take as builders :)
can you please make a video about ender printers especially ender 3 s1
Sorry about that, but I don't have any Ender series printers, and I'm not too sure I want any of them (at least until I have more space!)
@@thenextlayer thanks anyways
Awesome! 😁
Would really like to build one myself, but way too expensive haha 😅🤣
Yeah, it's NOT cheap... You can self-source, but I wouldn't want to
The video = awesome. The hat = jury is out.
LOL thanks. I'm growing my hair out so right now I have an afro
@@thenextlayer I'm jealous. I'm losing hair fast.
Any information about Convertert makerbot to voron?
No but I’m doing a video soon about how to convert an old lawnmower to a Lamborghini
@@thenextlayer toda! I have 2 makerbot replicator, try to find idea what do do with them.
Hi
Can you send me all the designs of the parts of the 3d printer so I can also print those parts and make a printer of my own?
It’s literally open source on GitHub
@@thenextlayer can you privide me the link for it?
I really thought you be making a video of building a 3d printer, but youre actually promoting a product,
Sorry you felt that way, always improving
Please give more adds, your segways are great
Lol thanks ?
I am sorry but your struggles are your own fault, the main guide is perfect for building a Voron, most people do not get a kit sent to them so they will research what they are buying, and as soon as you look at LDO you will see links to their guide for their kit, and they are a great kit, I have built an LDO and a Formbot kit, and I would choose LDO every time. Changes to the build guide for each and every mod, addon or change would mean that a team of people would have a full time job just referencing all the mods and the guide would then be a mess.
Stealthburner is an addon, Kliky is an addon, Tap is an addon, all these guide are well written but are NOT required to build a Voron.
Also there is a Discord that has the most hepfull people on the planet giving there time and knowledge to help you build Your Voron becase as soon as you depart from the orignal manual it is no longer a Voron, it's your Voron.
Yep, that's true, and as I said, I DID make mistakes and I WAS told to do the research ahead of time and didn't. Still, because LDO is a commercial company selling a kit, and because they sent the kit to me asking for honest feedback, I wanted to provide that feedback, that I think they should just make ONE fork of the main guide for their product. I think they'd agree that's fair feedback.
I’m waiting on a Formbot kit and a KB3D printed parts kit.
I’m scared.
Nice, good luck, just enjoy the build...
Not understand sorting files problem, download from git, and print it folder by folder, black and (A)orange, easy :) only diference is in skirts also folders for sizes, and extruder is also on git. Print ABS and ASA on Prusa is pain, also printed on my prusa. Never again :D
Got to be honest, I stopped watching about halfway through.
I was really interested in the video, but there was almost no real discussion and showcasing the build process, this just felt like one enormous sponsor spot.
Wish this channel the best, but I came for a Voron build, not a sales pitch.
Did you pay for anything? I'd like to build one too, but not for thousands of dollars I actually have to spend out of my own pocket
Wait till April 19th.
On the Thumbnail it says "I maked this" it should say "I made this"
Correct... it caught your attention though didn't it :)
If you want to build and get a very capable printer. voron/vzbot builds are great additional printers.
For everyone else who just needs a capable printer, without the build, thankfully there are alternatives for less
The new kid Bambu lab X1/X1C or P1P. It's hard to argue a 20-30min unbox and ready to print vs 40- 200 hrs time investment.
I would agree with this completely.
I want to buy a already assembled one hehe
If you want a readily assembled printer, this isn't the one for you. You can buy them assembled, but you'll be better off with an X1C or something, b/c this printer is a lot about the experience
@@thenextlayer i bought a Kingroon KP3S last year... its working quite fine... but i wanted to "go faster and bigger" hehehe
bro how to write to you? I want to work with you
Partnerships@thenextlayer.blog
כך איה סלייסר הכי הייתה ממליץ?
NEEWER
Please fix the error in the thumbnail :(
LOL it's supposed to get attention and it's working - super high click through rate :)
I’d need a guide book to tell me which guide to use lol
truth