Why not at least a small motor to run a generator if your job site does not have three phase power yet but I guess the trailer mounted diesel generator comes with it
It definitely still has all the usual hydraulic needs. You just eliminate the diesel engine's needs. It should still be a better machine to operate overall
Nice thing about electric is if/when they find a better battery chemistry or power source you can easily switch your old car/equipment to it when it comes time to replace the battery. Also, you can recycle almost all of the heavy metals in a battery. With proper care too, a lithium ion battery can last a very very long time, Teslas for example are showing that its not going to be uncommon now for evs to have over a million miles on their battery packs before they lose 20% of rated capacity.
@Walter K Bauer A generator isn't 0 emissions at all. You could try to read the message you're replying to Pedro. A generator is certainly a possible, although less desirable option, as far as emissions are concerned. At the very least, a (good) generator should be lower emissions than the original diesel engines of the digger. They can be tuned to run and burn more efficiently, lowering emissions and should have less wastage (idling the machine all-day, even when not in use. Losses in un-burnt fuel when revving up/down too). If it was just one or two machines operating on a site, then you could charge them from temporary site power, overnight. The demand isn't huge, overall. The cleanness of the grid in question depends on the area you're in (state/country etc) though, but that is (mostly) getting cleaner. The addition of EVs to the grid (with correct planning) actually improves the usage and implementation of renewables (it can absorb the indeterminacy, and, plausibly stabilize it too) If pure 0 emissions was the desire, you would have to work around that aspect. I would suggest container units with batteries and inverters on board (driven by an EV truck) being charged at a solar facility* by day and swapped on site with a discharged unit as needed. Expensive and uses up more energy - both transport and the addition of battery constructions - but not super far-fetched for the near future. This could open up additional business opportunities for providing green-power to construction sites, instead of temporary diesel generators. Cleaning the whole industry up (as long as the battery side is dealt with too) * - the facility wouldn't actually have to be THE solar plant, but an off-site charging capable site, with "green approved" power etc - as the solar farms are usually a LONG way away
Additionally, There are other technologies out there than just batteries (they're actually one of my least preferred options for pure grid-orientated stability) There's an Aussie company currently starting up with a few sites, called 1414 degrees. They're a thermal storage system with high efficiencies and high returns. Check them out, if you're interested. Their plans (among other things) is to load-shift renewable energy production. I'm not sure on the possibility of a portable system is though, but I know there is talks of something similar.
A flat-mounted 5kW array of PV solar panel modules (about 10x40ft like the top of a trailer and $8k cost) outputs 22-32 kWh on an average day of partly cloudy to clear and sunny conditions. So if you're a few hours or even a few thousand hours from home it doesn't matter you can still get work done even if there is no fuel delivery. The first-to-market CASE 580 EV units are written about elsewhere as having 90kWh battery storage. For comparison the world's quickest sedan Tesla Model S/X P100D has a 100kWh battery and the world's best-selling sedan (by revenue) Tesla Model 3 Long Range has a 75kWh battery. Both of these best cars in the world have incredibly powerful electric motors for sustained highway travel, much more power and complexity than what is needed to run the hydraulic drive and attachment systems on simple heavy equipment. Actually even the weakest Nissan Leaf EV motor is too much power for a small machine like the CASE 580. The better question is how much energy is used and when would you have a chance to plug it in, not just where, on a typical work day? Are you trading operators and keep the machine running without any downtime, or are there opportunities to plug it in? Typical on-site charging rates could be as low as 6kW (6% of 90kWh battery per hour plugged in) or as high as 22kW (25% of 90kWh battery per hour plugged in) depending on what charging electronics and available power there are. Compared to Tesla Model S/X P100D can have a 19kW charging capability or Tesla Model 3 with up to 8kW charging capability for plugging in at home. However, there are also Tesla Supercharger stations which require grid-level power to directly charge attached vehicles at 250kW rate, not something you can buy or install at home and rarely something that you can get for your own private business even with good access to utility scale electricity. So nobody is sure what will be the best investment for heavy machinery at scale. However we have had the powerful electric motor technology for more than 100 years and these companies with fancy codeword project names have been so lazy for a very long time waiting for some other company like Nissan and Tesla to make a move into electric vehicles and develop the battery technology needed... and then when that was ready only a few useless prototypes with no investment in charging infrastructure.
How much? How long battery life/lifespan? What about serious work like digging concrete? They always talk these electric vehicles/machines up but in reality they don't come close to the diesel equivalent!
I don't know how much. Significantly more than their diesel counterpart, but is expected to break even through usage savings and maintenance. The battery lifespan would likely be the same as a normal EV, dependant on how often the vehicle is used (discharging fully == less lifespan) - so somewhere between 10-15 years probably In another interview (on YT) one of the guys from the company said you could expect it's "8 hours of operation time" to go down to 4-6, with heavy concrete-breaking work. Other than that, the machine should handle it the same as the diesel version. I can't say how it will compare to the diesel counterpart, time will tell I guess. So far, I haven't even seen one in operation (ie, digging etc). I think the one in the video isn't designed for that lol (it's got metallic paint and fancy lights all over it. The real one wont apparently)
Wont last very long tho caz its fully electric and computerised so with that its going to last only for a little while.. I'm not down for that.. but its pretty quiet and sounds nice.
How is this a big deal? A Case backhoe is a totally fluid drive machine, it doesn't matter if its diesel, electric, or hamster wheel, spin it fast enough and hard enough and it works. What is the cost difference? Run time? Battery replacement cost? Can you change batteries and keep digging? Or is your day done when it needs charged? Will it work in below freezing temps? Does extreme cold affect run time? How long from dead batteries to fully charged?
Just fine if you only need it a couple of hours a day. Work two hours, charge ten hours. With electricity produced with fossil fuels. Just great for the guy that wants to look cool. But has little desire to work.
Although that IS marketing language, it IS zero emissions on-site. Electric is also more efficient that diesel machinery, so that lowers emissions greatly, even if charged from a coal and gas grid. The important part to this, is that it's POSSIBLE to make it zero emissions. You can't say that about diesel/coal/gas Also, as more wind hits the grid, having batteries like this plugged in, greatly increases their usability. Further decreasing EVs emissions It's a step forward, at the least. Baby steps, we can't do everything in one giant leap
@@MrVelociraptor75 Please lets be realistic: 1) The machine is not emissions free, the emissions are at the power station. 2) It only runs for 8 hours(ideal conditions?), with diesel you can fill it up and carry on or if you have an emergency job keep going. How will you do that with a flat battery you will need another machine? so the efficiency of a diesel now is a better consideration for the small inefficiency. Most job sites in Australia do 12 hours minimum. 3) So you bring the tractor home and the sun has gone down what solar you going to use? what if the wind is not blowing? You use coal and gas once again to make up the intermittent load. 4)Co2 is not an enemy of the earth its a good friend. 4)China and India are not worried about emissions look at how many coal power plants they are building. The front end loader is for the woke. 5) The cost of zero emissions has no end in site, you cant put a dollar value on it. It seems endless and the tax payer will pay by at least 2 generations.
@@JR-oh6vo CO2 is a huge problem in the vast quantities were extracting it at. Using China and India as good examples there, is idiotic. China is actually one of the largest uptakers of EVs in the world (due to strict subsidies enforced by government regulations, because they desperately want to reduce the toxic smog in their cities) which, "let's be realistic here" THAT is the important part to going towards a sustainable future. I emplore you to park your car in you garage and idle it for a few hours, with you in the seat. Then, if you can, tell me they're clean and healthy...
@@JR-oh6vo This machine is also for medium duty work, as with their diesel one. It's not expected to be run flat out 24/7, or be the primary machine on a large site. You'd need a few other provisions for that (like fast-chargers or swappable packs) so it's not the perfect solution. It's a start and that's important! Back to your 0 emissions problem, no, it's not 0, but it has the ability to be, a pure diesel never can be. It will still be cleaner over the life of the machine than a diesel, even on the dirtiest of grids (where it's about the same, but a much more efficient use of its energy). As they will most likely be charged at night, wind or hydro would be the source of its power and in most countries with reasonable renewables, gas too (with minimal coal in reserve, because you can't just turn them off) Nuclear, in a lot of countries too (which is a preferable source to coal, for me, even though I'm not a fan) at least it's emission free
MrVelociraptor75, I just think it kind of funny how nobody brings up that you can’t dispose of lithium batteries in any good way, and the huge environments/ecosystems destroyed by lithium strip mines
That machine was almost as quiet as that applause at the end lol 😂
Do you typically clap at trade shows?
I think this would be great for power companies or towns city’s and villages
Case once you come out with electric photos are becoming kind of
I hope the cycle times are three times faster than what I’m seeing.
Why not at least a small motor to run a generator if your job site does not have three phase power yet but I guess the trailer mounted diesel generator comes with it
Very nice
Looks real handy.
How fast can you run it tho i get hes going slow inside but i hope there much quicker
You know 99 percent of these, will be recharged with diesel generators. Life is funny.
Impressive
Electric backhoes don't need greasing?
It definitely still has all the usual hydraulic needs. You just eliminate the diesel engine's needs. It should still be a better machine to operate overall
@@MrVelociraptor75 nah I like my diesel engines
What’s the earth look like where lithium mines was? 🙄
Same as lead mines. Do you remembery anyone? 🤔😜
Nice thing about electric is if/when they find a better battery chemistry or power source you can easily switch your old car/equipment to it when it comes time to replace the battery.
Also, you can recycle almost all of the heavy metals in a battery.
With proper care too, a lithium ion battery can last a very very long time, Teslas for example are showing that its not going to be uncommon now for evs to have over a million miles on their battery packs before they lose 20% of rated capacity.
@@joeziahbabb nah I'll just make my own fuel and stick to something I can use all day instead of two hours
How much is this?
All it needs is the hydraulics replaced with electric actuators. That would eliminate all the hydraulic fluid onboard.
Residual value ?
Remote emission vehicle. Won't replace the 580.
im just wondering how do you recharge it with 0 emission if your working two or three hours from home
@Walter K Bauer A generator isn't 0 emissions at all. You could try to read the message you're replying to
Pedro. A generator is certainly a possible, although less desirable option, as far as emissions are concerned. At the very least, a (good) generator should be lower emissions than the original diesel engines of the digger. They can be tuned to run and burn more efficiently, lowering emissions and should have less wastage (idling the machine all-day, even when not in use. Losses in un-burnt fuel when revving up/down too).
If it was just one or two machines operating on a site, then you could charge them from temporary site power, overnight. The demand isn't huge, overall. The cleanness of the grid in question depends on the area you're in (state/country etc) though, but that is (mostly) getting cleaner. The addition of EVs to the grid (with correct planning) actually improves the usage and implementation of renewables (it can absorb the indeterminacy, and, plausibly stabilize it too)
If pure 0 emissions was the desire, you would have to work around that aspect. I would suggest container units with batteries and inverters on board (driven by an EV truck) being charged at a solar facility* by day and swapped on site with a discharged unit as needed. Expensive and uses up more energy - both transport and the addition of battery constructions - but not super far-fetched for the near future.
This could open up additional business opportunities for providing green-power to construction sites, instead of temporary diesel generators. Cleaning the whole industry up (as long as the battery side is dealt with too)
* - the facility wouldn't actually have to be THE solar plant, but an off-site charging capable site, with "green approved" power etc - as the solar farms are usually a LONG way away
Additionally,
There are other technologies out there than just batteries (they're actually one of my least preferred options for pure grid-orientated stability)
There's an Aussie company currently starting up with a few sites, called 1414 degrees. They're a thermal storage system with high efficiencies and high returns. Check them out, if you're interested.
Their plans (among other things) is to load-shift renewable energy production. I'm not sure on the possibility of a portable system is though, but I know there is talks of something similar.
A flat-mounted 5kW array of PV solar panel modules (about 10x40ft like the top of a trailer and $8k cost) outputs 22-32 kWh on an average day of partly cloudy to clear and sunny conditions. So if you're a few hours or even a few thousand hours from home it doesn't matter you can still get work done even if there is no fuel delivery. The first-to-market CASE 580 EV units are written about elsewhere as having 90kWh battery storage. For comparison the world's quickest sedan Tesla Model S/X P100D has a 100kWh battery and the world's best-selling sedan (by revenue) Tesla Model 3 Long Range has a 75kWh battery. Both of these best cars in the world have incredibly powerful electric motors for sustained highway travel, much more power and complexity than what is needed to run the hydraulic drive and attachment systems on simple heavy equipment. Actually even the weakest Nissan Leaf EV motor is too much power for a small machine like the CASE 580. The better question is how much energy is used and when would you have a chance to plug it in, not just where, on a typical work day? Are you trading operators and keep the machine running without any downtime, or are there opportunities to plug it in? Typical on-site charging rates could be as low as 6kW (6% of 90kWh battery per hour plugged in) or as high as 22kW (25% of 90kWh battery per hour plugged in) depending on what charging electronics and available power there are. Compared to Tesla Model S/X P100D can have a 19kW charging capability or Tesla Model 3 with up to 8kW charging capability for plugging in at home. However, there are also Tesla Supercharger stations which require grid-level power to directly charge attached vehicles at 250kW rate, not something you can buy or install at home and rarely something that you can get for your own private business even with good access to utility scale electricity. So nobody is sure what will be the best investment for heavy machinery at scale. However we have had the powerful electric motor technology for more than 100 years and these companies with fancy codeword project names have been so lazy for a very long time waiting for some other company like Nissan and Tesla to make a move into electric vehicles and develop the battery technology needed... and then when that was ready only a few useless prototypes with no investment in charging infrastructure.
leave the loader at work and drive to work?
Your soon to be electric pickup
I'll stick to my 580D
How much? How long battery life/lifespan? What about serious work like digging concrete? They always talk these electric vehicles/machines up but in reality they don't come close to the diesel equivalent!
I don't know how much. Significantly more than their diesel counterpart, but is expected to break even through usage savings and maintenance.
The battery lifespan would likely be the same as a normal EV, dependant on how often the vehicle is used (discharging fully == less lifespan) - so somewhere between 10-15 years probably
In another interview (on YT) one of the guys from the company said you could expect it's "8 hours of operation time" to go down to 4-6, with heavy concrete-breaking work. Other than that, the machine should handle it the same as the diesel version.
I can't say how it will compare to the diesel counterpart, time will tell I guess. So far, I haven't even seen one in operation (ie, digging etc). I think the one in the video isn't designed for that lol (it's got metallic paint and fancy lights all over it. The real one wont apparently)
Wont last very long tho caz its fully electric and computerised so with that its going to last only for a little while.. I'm not down for that.. but its pretty quiet and sounds nice.
How is this a big deal? A Case backhoe is a totally fluid drive machine, it doesn't matter if its diesel, electric, or hamster wheel, spin it fast enough and hard enough and it works.
What is the cost difference?
Run time?
Battery replacement cost?
Can you change batteries and keep digging? Or is your day done when it needs charged?
Will it work in below freezing temps? Does extreme cold affect run time?
How long from dead batteries to fully charged?
Just fine if you only need it a couple of hours a day. Work two hours, charge ten hours. With electricity produced with fossil fuels. Just great for the guy that wants to look cool. But has little desire to work.
Unimpressed!
Zero emissions, coal and gas charges it. I hate the BS.
Although that IS marketing language, it IS zero emissions on-site. Electric is also more efficient that diesel machinery, so that lowers emissions greatly, even if charged from a coal and gas grid.
The important part to this, is that it's POSSIBLE to make it zero emissions. You can't say that about diesel/coal/gas
Also, as more wind hits the grid, having batteries like this plugged in, greatly increases their usability. Further decreasing EVs emissions
It's a step forward, at the least. Baby steps, we can't do everything in one giant leap
@@MrVelociraptor75 Please lets be realistic: 1) The machine is not emissions free, the emissions are at the power station. 2) It only runs for 8 hours(ideal conditions?), with diesel you can fill it up and carry on or if you have an emergency job keep going. How will you do that with a flat battery you will need another machine? so the efficiency of a diesel now is a better consideration for the small inefficiency. Most job sites in Australia do 12 hours minimum. 3) So you bring the tractor home and the sun has gone down what solar you going to use? what if the wind is not blowing? You use coal and gas once again to make up the intermittent load. 4)Co2 is not an enemy of the earth its a good friend. 4)China and India are not worried about emissions look at how many coal power plants they are building. The front end loader is for the woke. 5) The cost of zero emissions has no end in site, you cant put a dollar value on it. It seems endless and the tax payer will pay by at least 2 generations.
@@JR-oh6vo CO2 is a huge problem in the vast quantities were extracting it at. Using China and India as good examples there, is idiotic.
China is actually one of the largest uptakers of EVs in the world (due to strict subsidies enforced by government regulations, because they desperately want to reduce the toxic smog in their cities) which, "let's be realistic here" THAT is the important part to going towards a sustainable future. I emplore you to park your car in you garage and idle it for a few hours, with you in the seat. Then, if you can, tell me they're clean and healthy...
@@JR-oh6vo This machine is also for medium duty work, as with their diesel one. It's not expected to be run flat out 24/7, or be the primary machine on a large site. You'd need a few other provisions for that (like fast-chargers or swappable packs) so it's not the perfect solution. It's a start and that's important!
Back to your 0 emissions problem, no, it's not 0, but it has the ability to be, a pure diesel never can be. It will still be cleaner over the life of the machine than a diesel, even on the dirtiest of grids (where it's about the same, but a much more efficient use of its energy).
As they will most likely be charged at night, wind or hydro would be the source of its power and in most countries with reasonable renewables, gas too (with minimal coal in reserve, because you can't just turn them off)
Nuclear, in a lot of countries too (which is a preferable source to coal, for me, even though I'm not a fan) at least it's emission free
MrVelociraptor75, I just think it kind of funny how nobody brings up that you can’t dispose of lithium batteries in any good way, and the huge environments/ecosystems destroyed by lithium strip mines
Case construction equipment is junk
How so?