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Ah, the Dave Chappelle mindset of, "you can't care for LGBT rights *and* black people, you can only focus on one thing at a time! That means you have to be resentful of other people asking for fair treatment!"
Dave Chapelle has never said that, what he did say is that modern pro-trans rhetoric has no validity behind it and everyone suffers because of it, especially LGBT+.
The guy who tried to do black on black crime for trans people and reverted to twitter to lie about thw suicide of his "friend"
@@BobbyBoy-pe2qthis “friendship” with that trans woman reminds me of when Charlie from it’s always sunny became “friends” with a black woman just to prove that he’s not racist. Same energy.
Literally the fallacy of relative privation.
"We can't do x because we haven't finished doing y!"
Meanwhile, the obvious answer is "we can do both"
In Chappelle's case it makes a bit of sense because there's zero overlap between black and queer people. There aren't any nor has there ever been a single queer person of color in the history of the human race. So it really is a "you can't help one and help the other" because they're two totally separate, unconnected groups that have nothing in common. And Chappelle himself is definitely not queer (which as he's black so it's physically impossible for him to be queer) so why should he use his considerable wealth and influence advocating for people who aren't him? And don't forget the zero-sum nature of human rights, you can't give rights to one group without taking them away from another, there's only so many rights. Dave has to be anti-trans, otherwise if they get more rights he'll lose his right to make transphobic comedy without people being angry at him.
Im so lost with the logic "we tried to help Palestinians but now fuck it let the genocide rip because what have you done for us recently?" Like was that Palestinian aid conditional this whole time? And why can't we do both opposing the genocide and help the black community?? They're not nutually exclusive.
Because these people are encouraging leftists to not vote and potentially allow for a Trump victory. That's why the Free Palestine movement has gotten so dangerous. What was originally well intended people protesting against Netanyahu's wholesale massacre has now morphed into nothing but red fash tankies unironically think that far right theocracy is based if its jihadists doing it and view things solely through an "America bad/west bad" mentality.
I hate when I see stuff like this on twitter. Where people think it has to be one or the other. When you can be calling out the hypocrisy of democrats, for not doing both.
I hate the suffering olympics I see on twitter where Ukraine and Palestine supporters hijack each others threads
and Palestinian people in Palestine have been suffering for years now, they don't have the resources to even help themselves ... it's like asking someone with a machete sticking out of their stomach to help YOU out. like no you do what you can, get the person to the hospital, make sure they're safe and healed, and the gratitude will be paid forward.
I think the logic is "You're telling us not to vote for Kamala Harris which is going to be objectively better for the black community, fuck you"
Solidarity is when you ask: but what have you done for me lately?
First they came for the unions and communist then for the queers and the jews then the gypsies,what have these people ever done for me. Pome ends
Truuu. "I'll stand for you and ask for nothing in the hope you stand with me later" is cucked behavior and not leftist. Leftism is when my support is conditional on you doing stuff for me more than I do stuff for you.
Eddie! Eddie! What have you done for me lately?
Solidarity is when you gimme my nuggies
@@TabacishYou was butt naked on a zebra last month!
remember to block and ignore psyops, and vote this nov
Just Registered one week ago today
I’m only 17 😭
@@WrenInTheNestSounds like a skill issue
@@WrenInTheNest register as a dead relative (don't)
@@WrenInTheNestsounds like you need to GROW UP🫵🏻
I've been following this basically since it has started and it drives me up a wall. Because you'll have some lady in a mansion saying "Wow, you've fought for Palestine and against police just to go vote for a cop? Really shows how much you care." As if voting has ever been anything to me other than circling a dot for the least stinky shit stain walking corpse that won't kill me for existing. Since when did voting become some kind of pact of loyalty?
Why do you watch obvious bait?
I hate people who view voting as some sacred imbuing of a part of your soul upon someone, instead of like the absolute minimum easiest thing you can do to affect a slight bit of political change. It's a tool in the arsenal, nothing more.
I sae a video of a girl saying that people who vote for kamala only want to save there own and that's why intersectionality is flawed 0_0
@@uninstaller2860 psychological self harm
The idea that voting for a cop *that minimized the war on drugs as much as mechanically possible, focused massively on preventing and prosecuting hate crimes, and literally spent half of her career going after big business for discrimination,* isn't exactly who the black community should be voting for is nuts.
Unless they're just finally admitting they don't care at all about discrimination, they're just blindly anti-cop.
This controversy seems fake and forced.
Yeah notice how this only became a thing now that we're closer to election day and it didn't occur at the beginning of the year or even last year. And from what Iv personally noticed is that black people are either sympathetic to the Palestinians or they don't have an opinion but never straight up antagonism unless it's notable Republican politicians, not average people
The white elites pitting struggling minorities against each other, yet again.
The classics never go out of style, right?😬
Arabs have been intensely racist against black people for forever, so I don't think it's coming out of nowhere, as there might be some tensions here and there. The timing does seem suspicious though.
That's what a psyop is.
This stuff was being done in 2015 with "foreign backed accounts" telling black people to not vote and to fight the police. Guess what country was funding these groups?
I'm so glad I'm not on Twitter or TikTok. Rage bait memeing itself into reality is terrible for society
I really don't understand why everyone with principles didn't leave Twitter enmass. I guess they may not be so principled.
@@SeekSomethingMorefr tho
@@SeekSomethingMore It's where all the good artists and best shitposters hang out (besides Tumblr)
@@SeekSomethingMoreTwitter is designed more than any other social media to make you angry, 5 seconds on that site and I see rage bait everywhere
There's also Instagram where people don't want to vote blue bc they think Kamala is personally sending Isreal funds and I have to sit there watching their vituesignaling brains rot out of their mouths instead of doing research
"Arabs? Where were Arabs when the Westfold fell? Where were Arabs when our enemies closed in around us!? Where were Ar - No, my Lord Aragorn, we are alone."
Gandalf the What?!
Lord ArabGone
@@SeekSomethingMoreGandalf the Mayo and Tuna Tacos
😂😂😂@@SeekSomethingMore
@@SeekSomethingMore Gandalf the Milk.
Vaush: I wanna keep this quick…
*40 minutes later*
According to Vaush standards, that is somewhat quick
You can support BLM *AND* Palestine. I rest my case.
brain synapses connecting type take
Honestly, real talk? And this is the real deep secret liberal shit...
Most people just do that.
One riots violently for no cause or an evil cause, one demonstrates peacefully for a righteous cause.
@@paulblichmann2791Which one was the peaceful one?
@@paulblichmann2791 wrong 😊
Truly a “where was Gondor” moment
REEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAL
Nailed it
What can man do against such reckless hate?
Epic LotR reference.
and that shit wasn't even in the book!
One side does have a point in that what many are criticizing as their lack of support for Palestine really means criticizing their decision to vote in November. However, the answer to that should be "I am not going to put *insert minority community here* at risk for a pointless, performative gesture that won't help Palestinians" with the psyop refocusing that into "I'm not going to put *insert minority community here* at risk for a bunch of Arabs who didn't do anything for me."
and they should be criticized for their decision to not vote because it is objectively the wrong decision. it is a decision made purely out of a desire to feel self-satisfied.
What I really don't get about this whole thing is what the goal even is supposed to be. Like, okay, you're telling people not to vote for Kamala. So Trump will likely win. And that helps you how..? Because Trump will impose sanctions on Israel..?
Withholding votes in protest is just not a sensible reaction if the issue you are concerned with is literally life and death.
@@DoubLL I've seen people encourage suffering in solidarity
EXACTLY. One side is right in their actual decisions, but both sides are wrong in the way they’re talking.
@@cheems408sheesh, I don't hate on them for following their convictions because I understand but damn man, the reality trump would bring is brutal and honestly preventable . Dude loves him some netanyahu and vice versa
I don't think it makes sense to protest Kamla, she wants a ceasefire and Trump does not, why not campaign for Kamala to get elected since she will be better than trump no matter what, then pressure her to to support palestine more if she wants two terms.
have you seen her on Aipac tracker
@@ashleyoasis7948bait
@@ashleyoasis7948 Trump literally told netenyahu to "finish the job"
@@ashleyoasis7948Trump got a 100 million dollar donation to support Israel annexing the west bank. What do you think will happen to the Palestinians there?
Because then they couldn’t hold their purist political morality over the rest of our heads. It’s all or nothing. And that’s how you know it’s performative; if actual improvement of Palestinian lives was the goal reason would be applied.
“This n-word eating beans” was hilarious. Kid did nothing wrong
lol fr what is he doing eating beans in a cinema?
@@monchochpVaush doing Vaush things
Imagine getting called out for eating beans in a cinema. I would die on the spot 😂
HE WAS REALLY EATIN BEANS LMAOOOO
Wonder what type? Like baked beans are obvious, but pinto beans are sus...
I always appreciate how Vaush explains this. Tribalism leads to bad ideology, advocating for the oppressed is good, something something rising tides. Discovering a huge amount of online "leftists" are just as tribalist as the Evangelical fundamentalists I grew up with has been one of the biggest disappointments of my political education.
It is, unfortunately, the single most common cognitive deficiency. I mean that literally. There is actually just leftover neural wiring in most people's brains that makes their opinions worse in this specific way.
Thankfully, the rising prevalence of neurodivergence seems to be making more people who don't actually have this problem nearly as badly.
@@FelisImpurrator the most staunch leftist purist people I know are neurodivergent. You are exhibiting tribalism right now by postulating that neurodivergent people are somehow stronger against ingroup/outgroup tribalism. Nobody is innately immune to tribalism, propaganda, and groupthink.
Reactionary thinking is reactionary thinking regardless of who is doing it.
@@FelisImpurrator "Thankfully, the rising prevalence of neurodivergence seems to be making more people who don't actually have this problem nearly as badly." Ehh... The most reactionary tankie campist in my personal circle cleaves on to their neurodivergence like it is their sole personality trait.
@@FelisImpurratoridk, I'd argue avoidance of cognitive dissonance by the shortest route possible is pretty bad and could be argued to be even more fundamental than human tribalism.
Then there's the related confirmation bias...
The obvious answer is to keep protesting and pushing for a better stance on Israel-Palestine, and then when the time to vote comes, doing what's pragmatic and voting for the lesser evil.
It's also important to realize that for every staunch anti-electoralist there is, there are dozens of nonvoters who just don't bother to vote because they don't care to. If your goal is to get people to vote, it's much easier to convince the latter group. Wasting energy on the other group, especially when they are protesting a genocide, is not productive.
some people are saying theyre not gonna vote. and that black people are basically stupid for voting for Kamala...and some of them arent even living in america
Based.
That’s a really salient point and very practical advice.
This "obvious answer" completely ignores that the current way of protest hobbles the side that's waaaay less bad on Palestine and enables the fascists. The influence on the vote count of the protesters is way bigger than just who the protesters will individually vote for. Protest, sure - but protest Trump too, which These People never do, despite him still being very possibly the soon-to-be president and saying some quite wacky things.
@@abdulmasaiev9024 I think it's the reason for the protests that harms the chances of the Democrats, not the protests themselves. It's in response to a real issue, the US assistance of a genocidal nation.
Also, there were protests at the RNC from the left. People were protesting with pro-Palestine and pro-choice signs. Keffiyehs, Palestinian flags, the whole thing. You can look up an Al Jazeera article called "Photos: Gaza, abortion and migrant rights protests outside RNC in US" for reporting on it. It didn't get as much media attention because it's not similarly controversial, everyone knows the left hates Trump.
So basically the meme “This mfs ideology isn’t rooted in compassion 😭 👈”
"Don't have empathy for victims, have empathy for ME"
Well...Anyone who has it as it's base falls apart.
There is a difference between compassion...AND JUSTICE.
The first one needs to help the Last one...everytime it doesis just feelings over facts.
😂 That old woman is a Key & Peele caricature
She looks straight out of a Madea movie😭
The "Black Republicans" skit 😂
"We are not a monolith!"
She is ROYALLY pissed.
Starting political discourse on Tiktok is like peak slacktivism.
if that's the peak then where is RUclips lol
Either you respect human rights and dignity or you don't. You don't get to say "I don't owe X anything." It's not a case-by case thing. You either always believe it or never believed it to begin with. There is no 3rd option.
Counterpoint: Deontology is cringe. At least use utilitarian reasoning. Such as the fact that genocide has bad outcomes.
@@FelisImpurrator Everything in this comment can be justified by rule utilitarian analysis. So unless you're an act utilitarian I'm not sure what your point is.
tell that to non-black people. name on single time when another race spoke up to help black people.
@@borginburkes1819 The civil rights movement? The civil war??!
@@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff.lol
why are tiktok leftists the most smug ppl alive
Most of them aren’t actually leftists.
Political discourse and denotation has been absolutely fried by Facebook, tik tok, Twitter, etc. Hell some of these folks aren’t even liberal which is still pretty far away from being “leftist”.
theyre leftists
They're mostly literal children who have made their adolescent identity around their fantasy politics. They're fueled by the same arrogant stupidity as lots of adolescence is, only the stakes are really high because of politics
The brainrot of social media combined with being a leftist.
The vast majority of online "leftists" are insufferable jackasses.
Love when people act like letting a fascist take power again is equally as bad as voting for a liberal who teeters back and forth on a ceasefire. Perhaps...... voting for the less bad candidate..... doesnt mean we stop pushing for meaningful improvement? 🤯🤯🤯
ffuny anti west and amercina acitvisit in my coutnry are telling that votign for trump wil lead to world peace...and that preoblem are satanic democrats....
So you want a fascist, because i can tell you, it won't benefit you either. 🤣
@@EchoAccord did you interpret this comment as me saying I like trump?
The issue is that too many people are going full lib and ignoring gaza now. And the fear is too many Fairweather people will just drop the issue if they suddenly got healthcare. And this backlash is showing that we are entirely right in that worry.
@KathrynElizabeth-j7y It's a stupid fear, because the war will still be going after November. Lashing out at your allies for taking the objectively better voting option is what makes people stop caring for good. The position is so bad that you look like an IDF psyop.
"Where were you when we were going through Apartheid?"
They were dealing with their own apartheid, damn
🎯
No, they weren't. In 1948, when Apartheid was being initiated, they were violating the UN partition and trying to take over Israel. Then when they lost, they refused to acknowledge peace and finalized borders with Israel for decades and waged a terrorist war with Israel to this day.
When were Black South Africans doing that? Black South Africans didn't have any country or Fatah or voting for themselves, nor were their walls(walls built after the second Intifada). There was a clear system of oppression meant to give take away their political power. They didn't have a democratic country like Palestine has, their only country took away all their voting rights and power away. The entire application of apartheid is trivializing actual apartheid in South Africa and and insulting to South Africans. Apartheid wasn't another wasn't wasn't South Africa building a wall between it and another hostile nation like what Israel did, was it was it oppressing its own citizens on the basis of their race.
After the second intifada, Israel built a wall between it and Palestine to protect itself from further Palestinian terrorist waves, all the Palestinians who are calling building a wall to protect yourself from active aggression, "apartheid" are just butthurt that's it's harder to kill Israelis now.
Do they also hate women because not every single woman in the world went to a George Floyd protest
Harris Walz 2024 💙
Voters have the ultimate choice between a ceasefire candidate, or a "finish the job" candidate. At the end of all protests and pressuring, the choice right now is the choice that will still be had.
Trump really is the worst isn't he
It really is that simple.
Its rich how these women are sounding exactly like the people who don't stand with us.
No, they sound like the average rich white person.
"Why should I care what happens to this other group of people? I want more!"
Varying priorities.
Domestic issues that we can actually control are a higher order for some people. :)
@@daniellarusso8012 L take you're an adult you can focus on more than one thing at a time
@@Rockzilla1122Yeah, and that's why we vote D down ticket and then work on local elections from there. Progress is walking upstream towards a waterfall; you must keep your eyes down and carefully make each step, because if you stare at where you want to be instead of where you are, you are guaranteed to fall and slide backwards. It's the only way we've gotten as far as we have past old world bigotry.
Google "fallacy of relative privation"
We are capable of doing more than one thing at the same time
OMG thank you for spotlighting this issue. I feel like too many times black Americans are put in this position opposite other minority groups!
Vaush is not your Ally bro. He'd call you ninja before he helped you.
@@user-xj9po6ep9iHI weird Russian username.
@@user-xj9po6ep9i👆🏼Totally not a bot account 😂
@@user-xj9po6ep9iwhat do you have against the Japanese?
@@user-xj9po6ep9iWhere do yall get this shit? He literally states again and again that he’s an ally and calls out racism constantly.
“You guys are living perfectly fine while black Americans are suffering!” She says into her thousand dollar phone camera to people who currently have bombs falling on the aid workers trying to get food to them. Jfc
Yep those Palestinians living it up right now. Also, what Palestinians are asking black people to literally die on the battlefield for them?!? Like that one kid said lol what was that
"Breaking: the Arabs have joined the George Floyd protests"
If your activism and humanity are conditional or transactional, then it never really existed.
"Hey maybe we should have a ceasefire"
"Yeah well I base my politics on how I think this'll affect me personally and I deem you haven't done anything for me so I'm gonna whine and shit my pants"
~220 tweets a day on that account for anyone too lazy to do the math
That's more than 9 tweets an hour (not accounting for sleep)
Where were Arabs when the Fire Nation attacked
The Arabs have abandoned us. Paleosdin has betrayed me…
Abandon your posts! Flee, _flee for your lives!!_
This seems like the perfect time to remind everyone that the IDF is one of the biggest sponsors of the Cop City mega complex police training Center, being built in a predominantly black area of Atlanta
...and supported by the majority of black voters in Georgia, because it will help reduce crime in under policed areas.
Hey guys, I’m a really real account and im gay. Here’s a post sowing discord with seemingly no call to action of any real sort !
I instantly believe you for some reason. Those right-wing talking points you brought up aren't anything to think too much about so I'll ignore them. Solidarity! -Clueless leftists
I too will now fall in line with everything you say.
hi I'm openly fascist, and even i agree with this because it's just so correct 🤗
You are so correct, I'm sorry I ever doubted you, but since you're gay you're correct.
Palestinians in the west bank painted George Floyd every were during the BLM protests. You can look ot up.
And many Palestinians in the US were protesting too
Yeah but apparently arabs hate black people now that’s the new trend, we got used to be viewed as the bad guy doesn’t matter anymore
So contrary to what these Black psyop agents say, the Arabs were there. It's just nobody paid much attention to them, like usual.
Who cares
Obviously
@@ThundaCrackathe lady in the video… maybe fucking watch it?
God I can't stand the trend of people smugly saying horrible shit directly to the camera. Why do i watch these
Because they know that you'll watch them, and actually you know that they know that you'll watch them. And in fact you know that they know that you know, and so on. But you own the circuit, so only you can break it. This is why monks are wise for living with detachment; they figured out reality ends with them and their choices to engage.
because you fell for the trap of outrage bait.
Division is a weapon.
by deception war shall be waged-Mossad
*Activist:* Hi, you want to help save the rainforests in Brazil?
*Very normal person:* Why don't you want to save the Great Barrier Reef?!
”Oh yeah? How many rainforests joined the George Floyd protests, huh?”
“Where were those trees when black people were struggling and fighting for their rights?”
When you think about how small the Earth is and how little genetic differences exist between people this crap looks so infantile.
funnily hos of guys both from imerpilsit west and opressed east will not agree with you...
Dude, i know tribalism exist...
But Universal things exist too.
Like injustice of a group over other.
@@andresanguianozuniga6798he's saying race doesn't exist, and it doesn't.
The "what have arabs ever done for us" thing is so crazy to me like, as if even if they hadnt done anything that would mean they all deserve to die. No jew has ever perspnally harmed me but also the hplocuast was still unjustified and cruel and evil. Its not hard for these two things to coexist, its called empathy.
Is it also crazy that they are demanding Black people to not vote for Kamala?
Unironically having some makeshift outrage over being told to support a group (Which logically poc should) and having to act "Higher than thou" because of said skin color is pathetic.
Can't really call these people libs given they're openly wanting to be victimized for being pressured to support Palestinians.
Fr they’re turning into right wingers with different context.
I blame poor media literacy.
I am VERY confused...are the Palestinians that are criticizing support for Kamala Harris...suggesting that voting for Trump would be better??!?!?!
@@silverTabbed I don’t get what they mean, either. I’m not sure I understand this take against voting for Harris.
That is, literally, their position. Which is why it's so obvious it's a psy-op
@@MKotnis Their position is to vote for Stein
Tl:Dr, who is Stein?? Also Politics boring
@raingulfdrengot195 but is this person even a candidate that'll win??? I can without any political education say 'No' why? Because the American political history shows that typically the seat of president is decided by the optics/campaigning period as well as the party they're in.
Idk who Stein is, meaning campaigning might not be effective and that's a major factor. Also, what party is he in??
Burnie was the only non-dem/non-rep candidate that got close, due to everyone being at home/on the phone, and the mitten meme... it's honestly so sad..
There's so much noise that it deters young people (the average uninterested young person) from actually getting to know their candidates, let alone their local representatives.
Where are the Italians in this critical point of race war history?
We’re all out inventing new ways to sell garlic bread
@@TonyGModestoGawd I could for some fucking garlic bread right about now.
Continually switching sides, as is tradition
Everyone keeps calling Kamala Harris a cop, is it because she was AG of California? Is that it?
Yes.
The issue is people telling black people they shouldn't vote Democrat because of the Genocide. I've seen this myself
☝️
Tell them their position is so bad for Gaza that they look like an IDF psyop.
@@RobotMasterSplash That's the problem. They are trying to shame black folks into not voting. They are fighting for their lives in Gaza and we are trying to save our here. Nobody should be telling anyone "not to vote in this election" especially black folks who are hurt the most by conservative policy.
The dumb thing about this is that not voting Democrat is doing more to support the genocide than doing so since Trump is immeasurably worse on this issue than Kamala
@@RobotMasterSplash Thanks, I'll be stealing this for the future.
The reality is, is just a bunch of people got mad about black people supporting kamala over Palestine.
It's a stupid argument though, especially when you're super-racist to defend it ("Where were Arabs when..." etc.). Voting for Kamala is the best option for Palestine - not voting for Kamala will have negative consequences for the Palestinian people. This is the correct argument.
I’m supporting Kamala. But, I’m doing it wanting her to end our support of the insanity.
Joe is immovable. I’m hoping that she’s better.
@jaycol21 She has to be better, especially in the DNC.
Which is valid. Why is it only 1 or the other? 🤡
thats the vibe im getting too (apart from some black and arab creators just being racist)
There is a conversation about a lack of intersectionality to be had. This isn't it though.
I've met a gay dude who thinks women shouldn't be able to have ab*rtions for any reasons. Like even if it's non viable and you're actively dying.
(I think there was some sort of resentment towards women because he is socially expected to be with a woman? Idk, I'll always support gay dudes rights tho even if all gay dudes somehow decide all women should be like thrown in the trash lolol)
Maybe I'm biased from being a bi female. I think it's VERY important to stick together to preserve (or get) all our rights
Please someone delete twitter already!?
Looking into it
We need a boomer invasion on Twitter to make it lame. That's how social media dies
@@uninstaller2860the problem is Twitter is already lame and folks just won’t leave.
Shut up and delete youtube
Can we somehow get twitter, Facebook and tiktok to all go away?
I know that's a long shot but pretty please?
i love when people build themselves up as the monolith of their own race, very chill and not psychotic at all.
I, as a representative of all white people, say that we disavow this kind of rhetoric.
The internet just can't stop giving giant platforms to people that justifiably would never get one otherwise.
It's not "the Internet" that is to blame. It's social media algorithms.
We didn't used to have this problem before the rise of modern social media.
Wow, morality has a Quid Pro Quo aspect to it? I never knew, that explains so much!!!!
Yes. It does.
Ppl dint respect ppl who don’t respect themselves & others.
@@melm295
“I know you’re being genocided right now, but you didn’t say hi to me on the street yesterday. Guess I’m morally obligated to not be against your genocide!”
@@melm295 Gross dude, that is the exact kind of thinking that leads men to asking women who were just assaulted "well, what were you wearing?"
@@melm295 you know with how vague the notion of 'respect' is, it'd be really easy to weaponize this statement against anything you don't like!
@@melm295remember when you were posting about how Biden couldn't be replaced. Think you might be wrong about this too? You don't really have a track record to back up this kind of confidence.
You're defending the anti-electoral people a bit too much man. If you don't vote, your opinion doesn't matter to me.
I’ll take it one step further: if you don’t vote for Kamala specifically, you are a servant of fascism. Not only does your opinion not matter in that case, but you are an active enemy of the left, even if you wrongly self identify as a leftist.
If you don’t vote (for Kamala) you are an active enemy of the left, and a servant of fascism
Anti electoralism is fascism. It’s impossible to be an anti electoralist leftist. Thats like being a Jewish nazi.
Anti electoralism is fascism. It’s impossible to be an anti electoral leftist. Flat earthers are less incoherent than people who claim to be anti electoral and leftist
If we don't vote, our opinion doesn't matter to our Senators either.
This whole episode only convinced me that everyone on TikTok needs psychiatric help.
It is making ppl depressed , psychotic and unable to eat.
I cant even follow what's happening? Are they trying to compete about who's the biggest victim and most oppressed?
Apparently some people were accusing black content creators of supporting genocide by voting Democrat and some of them responded in this dumb way that emphasized a false dichotomy instead of challenging it
I think the context vaush is missing is that the fed posting is happening on both sides. There are specific Palestinian content creators organizing herrassment campaigns against people who support voting. Alot of these women he's posting support palestine, but they are being told to stay home in november.
Yeah but you can't get that with chat doing it's things
i think the context that he is missing is that most of these people are reacting to people telling them NOT TO VOTE for Kamala; that a vote for Kamala is a betrayal of the Palestinian cause. One person was reacting to people telling them to pressure her, which obviously isn’t wrong to ask, but the rest are reacting to the kind of morons that think “not voting” or “voting for a third party” is going to somehow solve palestine
Doesn’t excuse reacting with “Arabs never fight for anyone but themselves they don’t even know who Mandela is”.
A response to the voting thing is to talk about the voting thing, not being racist against Arabs.
@@FortuitousOwlWho are you to say how people can react? Shit was all good when black people were losing their livelihood to support Palestine though. WHERE IS THE SMOKE WHITES,ASIANS,LATINOS etc. to step it up?
@@Texasbelle-qk1ez what black people lost their livelihood to support Palestine? And why would you assume anyone here would be ok with that?
Yeah, I feel very comfortable saying that’s a bad reaction. People posting in public can be criticized on how they react to things. Like how yall are rightfully criticizing people reacting to voting for Kamala by harassing black creators. “Who are you to say how they can react?”
Also, to step what up? Support g Palestine? Are you saying only black people have been supportive of Palestine?
Speaking of losing their livelihood, the latest person I heard was actress Melissa Barrera. Literally fired from the show Wednesday for supporting Palestine.
So my main take from this video is that i unironically don't get why all the kids watch tictok
Like not to be a boomer. But I don't get how anyone could consume this all day.
I'd rather read dungeon meshi
At least something is said (brainrot but still something) compared to uploading another persons video with yourself pasted somewhere pointing with a caption saying ‘this’ or ‘facts’
The only thing it seems good for is dance and cat videos. And tbh if those are any good they'll trickle through to other media.
I think this started when people were telling everyone not to vote. Something that shouldve been ignored.
After we protest the DNC, which trump rally are we protesting next? None? Okay…….
I don't think this is a psyop, I think people are just being dumb. But when people are being this dumb, I don't blame people for thinking it's a psyop. I have no respect whatsoever for people that denigrate whatever cause they front by pulling the race card when it's completely unwarranted and making other advocates look worse by association
Basically right winger shit
Yet vaush is SILENT on Congo 99.99999% of the year.
what's going on on Congo?
Pitting the working class against each other based on race began well before unions. That was the whole point of indentured servitude and even "house help" between black people of lighter and darker complexions during slavery.
It's positively Trumpy: every political bargain requires a quid-pro-quo.
It is baffling how easily some people get swindled by this kind of divide-and-conquer strategy.
Im kind of with the black woman with the locks here. Just vote for Kamala Harris. Simple as.
You can vote for her and still have criticisms. You should in fact!
Telling people to not vote period/discouraging and shaming people to not vote for Kamala isn’t criticism. That’s delusional self-destructive performative politics that will destroy Palestine in the end.
The funny thing is that Israel was right there in bed with South Africa training their police.
Yeah Israelis were complaining that South Africa was trying to get revenge when they brought them to court.
An important lesson to learn is that when someone says: “don’t vote or you’re a BIGOT”
You can just walk away, or tell them they’re ridiculous and then block away. You don’t have to engage with that and you really don’t have to be racist in retaliation.
Vaush this is a bad take. The point is that we are not just going to not vote for Harris and let trump win to make are lives worse we’re the situation in Gaza won’t even be any better. They are calling us traitors for not wanting to lose are rights.
in my coutnry pro plaestina anti west people support trump as he will supposedly lead to rold poeace by stoping conflcit in middle east makign urkaine be part of russia reutrnign kosovo to serbia etc...
…You are letting a couple of TikTok creators shake you up this much? They’re not serious actors if they believe you shouldn’t vote for Harris/Walz. Don’t let a few randos on TikTok affect your view of what’s happening in Gaza. Vote Harris, and still support a ceasefire. Easy.
Israel was a major ally of apartheid South Africa. Doesn't this argument work in the reverse?
You're expecting logic from these people?
Mandela and the PLO supported each other
I remember the palastinian-Iranian girl on tiktok literally stitching a black man saying, "We're voting to save our communities. Do you want us to die for you?" and her response was literally, "Yes, that's exactly what I want you to do." Like... no, we aren't fodder for you, and we aren't martyrs for you. We need to make sure we aren't killed so we're alive to help you. It's like getting mad at someone for not giving you their last dollar, wtf???
I'm sure somebody so outraged is giving a fair description of her take. But even if she said that, so what? You realize how many black people say cringe? Should white lefties hyper-focus on black cringe, and then would you defend those who point to said cringe to stop supporting BLM?
@@ThompsonFlash9999 Well, that's literally what she said though??? you can find the video yourself.And that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying black people, the people imfamous of being targeted during political chaos an upheavel in this country, have a right to focus on our own safety before helping forign lands. The idea that we should center our lives around and send what little resources we have to people thousands of miles away instead of doing everything we can to ensure our own safety is appalling!
@@ThompsonFlash9999 Also, love the fact that you use the word cringe like calling out underlying racism is dismissive. If palastinian influancers were worried about the loss of momentem in the protestes happening, they shouldn't be shaming and insulting people who've been their staunch supporters from day one because they want to make sure their own loved ones aren't killed.
@@AEtherArts but Black Hammer said...whatever. so now I can be like "I used to think BLM, but now I think ALM," and if anybody criticizes my flip I can just blame Black Hammer, and all is cool, right? After all, it must represent an underlying problem. Because not even just one person, but a whole group of people said something! That's how it works for you?
@ThompsonFlash9999 you're making it sound like that person just said that out of the blue, one. (She said it in response to the hate and vitriol she received for showing her support for Kamala) and that they didn't TELL HER to get out of the protests (the comment she was responding to on the screen literally said "if you're going to support Kamala, take that Palestinian flag off of your bio!") People were angry at her for showing her support towards a candidate that will ensure the safety of her friends and loved ones. It isn't comparable to ALM vs BLM since the former is literally a racist response to the other and is objectively wrong. Again, are you going to tell me that black people showing their support for the Not-Dictator option in a very important election warrants the hate their getting??? Do you think they deserve to be bombarded with Anti-black sentiments because they're engaging with their own oppression for a moment instead of making 20 more Palastine donation videos? And the idea that someone might start supporting the "opposite side" instead just not talking about it anymore (which was what that black creator said in the obvious "I'm fucking done with this" tone, meaning it's been going on a lot longer than you think.) Would suddenly start making pro-israil content instead is an ignorant conflation of the situation.
Vaush by the end: "I'm joining the fight against racism, on the side of racism"
The tik tok brainrot is real with dis one.
I love it when people hate each other and don't unionize.
As a european watching, it's always interesting in a tragicomic way to see how different race relations and rasism really is over there, and here.
I sometimes feel like the deep wounds that slavery and segregation in America caused were for one group, black people, to bear alone. In Europe however, racism is worse and more widespread in many regards, but with it's ugly and heavy burden spread on more backs to carry it. Here we have a hundred flavours of racism and as weird as it sounds, it almost feels less horrible, in a super horrible way.
Fellow Euroid here, think you hit the nail on the head. Most people I know have full stereotypes and prejudice about people from another PROVINCE🤣 The American mind simply cannot comprehend...
Lol, thats wrong. Racism in and xenophobia in europe way worse than the US. We Europeans hate each other let alone other races. Europe has advanced Racism compares to the US.
You are a clueless shutin,
Lol The racism here in the US is definitely different than in Europe for sure. Like, ask any European about Romani people... But the US history of racism was and never has been just against black people here. It's Latinos, it's Asians, it's Indians, let's not forget Native Americans were practically out, Jewish people, Hawaiian people,... They all get less in different ways here. Black people were exceptional at organizing and finding strength in community in part because of how much they distrust other communities and knew they couldn't rely on others to get equal rights. We still have sun down towns, believe it or not, and a lot of Americans are so sheltered they think that's still a thing of the past!
Guys, did you know you can care about more than one thing at a time???
Perhaps my ignorance, but this feels like a stereotype 4:40
Yup, fallacy of relative privation. We can do both.
Nope, everyone knows that human beings are only capable of caring about one thing on any topic. You get to pick one vehicle, one piece of furniture, and one humanitarian crisis.
There's a legit conversation to be had about BW being painted as "strong", "saviour", "get shit done" and how it leads to burnout.
But this is the wrong situation to apply it to I fear.
The reason I limit engagement with social media: any time someone thinks "someone should speak about this, so I'm going to despite not having any education or expertise on the subject" they always spout a bunch of shit that would have been better left unsaid.
These people really think the vice president can just do all kinds of shit 😂. They're basically a person there in case something happens to thr president and to wield a lil bit of power in the senate 😂
Most of what a VP can do is not official. They wield more power socially as opposed to the president who wields actual power.
@@javiervalenzuela8284do you oppose feminism
You might want to look a little deeper into the conflict going on here Vaush. Live ya man but you might want to sit this one out. Black women turned up and and turned out in support for Palestine in droves. They offered money, support, and great deal of effort to help the cause. At first it was great solidarity but recently, and I am with you in the idea that this might indeed be a psyop, many Black women who were leading the ground effort got extremely shit upon by the very people they were trying to help. They, I must say gracefully, withdrew their financial support, said they still think the what is happening is horrible but they ain’t taking the disrespect and actual threats that were thrown at them, they are just saying if you don’t come right don’t come to us and Demand our labor. A lot of the creators also spotted the psyop underneath the psyop. What you are missing is the reason they disengaged. They are being dragged for supporting Kamala and the Dems who the protesters think are too soft on Israel. Have you noticed all the big Anti-Israel protests are ONLY targeting the Dems? Like the hubbub in Chicago right now? Why? Ask yourself that? Someone is either pulling the strings here or making a calculated mistake. While the Dem support for Gaza is a bit weak sauce it is an election year and care must be taken. The Republicans are already smearing the Dem support for Gaza as antisemitism. Why are protests not being held against the Republicans who are very pro nuke Gaza ? The Republicans are planning another Muslim ban and to deport Muslims who are here legally for fuks sake but all the pressure is aimed at the Dems?
There are accounts saying if you vote Dem you are on Israel’s side so don’t vote or don’t vote Dem when that would give the Republicans the win which would work out Sooo much better for the Muslin community and Palestine 🙄. You are right that something in fucky here but this is very much not about identity politics in itself.
What you are seeing is that Black women who have spotted the trap and are refusing to fall into it. They were being attacked for supporting Kamala even though they were doing the work in support of Palestine. They were being told that unless they denounced support of the Dems they were not doing Enough to support the cause. They rightly clapped back and said fine you don’t want us if don’t do exactly as you demand? We out cuz, peace and best of luck because we ain’t tanking Kamala’s campaign or abandoning our support of her because that’s nuts. Yes the Dems could do more but they are the Only ones on Palestine’s side right now and alienating them like they are doing to the very people ( Black Women) who are supporting them is nuts. Someone is pulling strings somewhere to try and push a double agenda of tanking the Dem campaign and getting the Black community to pull support from Palestine. They win either way so it’s pretty smart if devious.
(mic drop) You said it all
Why protest against Republicans though, Dems are the only ones who have a chance of listening.
The fact that all of the recent pro Palestinian protesting has been going after dems has been really concerning to me. For one, as bad as the dems are on this issue, Republicans are exponentially worse. Like, nightmarishly worse. For two, given how much of the far right has used palestine as a thinly veiled excuse to proliferate antisemitism, it seems like the lack of acknowledgement of the republican party on this issue is turning a blind eye to the serious issue of this movement being hijacked by bad actors
I am not sure what evidence you have to support your claim that the "Dems are the only ones on Palestine's side right now" when they have sent billions in weapons and military aid to the IDF, provided diplomatic cover to Israel in the ICJ, and have worked to suppress pro-Palestinian protestors across the country. It's been 10 months and we're still waiting on the incumbent Democratic president to do a single thing to rein in Israel. Even Ronald Reagan curtailed the Israelis when he thought they had gone too far. This whole thing is idiotic because we have to pretend that Kamala Harris couldn't just come out with a statement supportive of Palestine tomorrow and put this matter to rest.
Discouraging people from voting Dem in this case is stupid and pointless, but protesting Republicans for supporting the gaza genocide is eqaully stupid and pointless. They would only use that as evidence that there should be a larger crackdown on protestors. There is a 0% chance of it changing their stance in a positive direction. The Democrats at least "support" Palestinians on paper, and can potentially be pressured to make that support real.
Its also crazy for them to frame Muslim/middle eastern immigrants to America as "privileged, ordering people around like white men"
I live in Queens, a neighborhood called Astoria with a very prominent Muslim community, and while fighting against anti-Arab racism has come far since 2001, there are still widespread issues and bias, especially in places here outside of Astoria, and especially outside of NYC. There has been a lot of free Gaza support here in Astoria, but middle eastern Americans still face a lot of racism here, both interpersonal and systemically. They're not privileged or "ordering people around" at all.
The original video basically said that people should stop expressing support for Palestine if they also plan to vote for Kamala. Responding to that with essentially "alright, then I won't support Palestine" is kinda what they video asked for. It is just a really stupid ask to begin with. Supporting Kamala and support Palestine should by no means be at all mutually exclusive. Sure, her position isn't great and the Biden administrations position has been terrible. And if Trump was in any way whatsoever better there would be a much more reasonable way to square the position of the original video. But as bad as Biden is on Palestine Trump would be so much worse.
Vaush doesn't see that because he doesn't respect Black people.
but who cares what those people say. if you truly believe supporting palestine is the right thing to do, how could someone with a different opinion on social media sway you out of it. i see those videos, i understand where they are coming from but at the end of the day i know im doing what i believe is right. i feel like thats not a hard conclusion to come to.
The original video sets up a stupid false dichotomy but the responses are equally stupid since they're falling into it. The response should be to point out that a) this is a false dichotomy b) not supporting Dems would mean making it easier for Reps to get into office and the latter are infinitely worse on Palestine than the former.
I do think Harris actually wants to help the situation for Palestinians, although I don’t think she’ll do anything radical or particularly meaningful. But I think that alone is huge for public perception and the positions of people in the US, which is a big deal. And as far as likelihoods she seems much more likely than Biden or trump to do anything meaningfully good there.
exactly, being openly anti Israel in the US is a sure way to loose the race.
I don't think i will ever be able to wrap my head around the whole Israel Palestine situation. It's pretty easy to feel that the actions of Hamas were barbaric and horrific while also feeling the same towards the literal genocide of the Palestinian populace. You can be anti Hamas AND pro Palestinian.
This is true, however the things you are missing from the equation are that Israel is the aggressor, Israel holds all the power, and Israel is doing their atrocities on a scale that is orders of magnitude greater than anything Hamas does.
Also that Israel literally created Hamas to begin with as a way to divide Palestinians and prevent international support of them.
@@Junebug89 nothing I said disagrees with your sentiment
a big issue is with how the whole conflict is portrayed... saying "literal genocide" for example...
@@General_Maximus it pretty much is genocide dude. There's no sense in downplaying what is happening. It's disgusting. Back to my previous statement. It's ok to acknowledge that AND acknowledge that the acts of Hamas were heinous as well.
Deciding to help advocating for Palestinians because of idpol is wild 🤦♂️ I'm disabled, I have a *lot* of gripes with how mainstream politicians have handled disabled rights since the pandemic, and how things like mask bans in certain states arent fought back against as much as I would like (not to mention most discourse of ableism is stupid terminally online BS about terms like "idiot")
But you know what? I recognize that as cruddy as it sounds, I recognize priorities in terms of groups of people, and...people actively getting starved and bombed need more urgent support than people like me who NEED better healthcare, NEED more advocating, but am NOT under mass existential threat like Palestinians are right now.
This "you wont advocate for me so I won't advocate for them" is ridiculous, its not a zero sum game. Letting Palestinians suffer is not going to get me or anyone else better treatment, and theyre under the largest existential theeat by far right now, they need support by international communities more than most anyone rn.
Trump is an existential threat tho
Nothing wrong with advocacy for Palestinians, but withholding one’s vote under the delusion that you’re actually making a difference for them is dangerous imo.
Not saying that’s what you’re doing, but that’s what people are mad about.
Rn the best chance we have to make a difference in this situation is to vote for the lesser evil in this case and keep Trump out of office.
Aaah even when I agree with him he's still annoying! The Congo dude was responding to someone who, eve in the little clip shown, is saying "voting for Kamala is bad" and his response to that seems fine! Like maybe he gets a little sanctimonious with the "poeple are losing their jobs" stuff, but Vaush also totally put words in his mouth with the BLM comparison, he didn't say those were reasons not to support Palestine.
Like the first two were shit but that one was fine.
While I agree with Vaush, as a black person i am sympathetic to the black perspective. It dont originate with this. It comes from a long standing perception that we are the only ones willing to fight the American oppression of marginalized American people and immigrants. I believe my people dont understand that the fight is actually in court and the ballot box not public opinion. We cant come to every time of oppression and say "See we told yall about the powers that be, where are yall when we go thru it"? Its not productive and it just makes an enemy out of a potential ally. Everyone cant come to the same conclusions as you until they go thru the same things as you. We are left to the racist quite often when theres supposed to be sooooo many non black antiracist out there. Thats what makes us hesitant to support any groups outside of American blacks who feel like we are the tip of the spear against oppression since we've literally been fighting against it for 300 years in modern times. Whether the perception is right or wrong is not the point. The point is we have to do better at building a coalition and that starts with building a coalition of many against the small minority of the powerful. A colony of ants can defeat a lion.
Very well put. I wish we could unite in support of eachother.
Def an insular online psyop.
Most normal people would just include and spread awareness to other issues alongside the main one talked about, BUT NEVER downplaying it.
Politics is not a cereal box you buy, and then live brand loyalty to. Politics is like the environment we exist in, all of these issues are live and swimming next to each other constantly. Live with dissonance, vote for Kamala while trying to improve her foreign policy. Critical support is not that complicated an idea.
I don't think we ought to be listening to our elders if they don't have a personal records of correctness and successful ideas. just being old isn't enough anymore.
Especially considering they’re largely responsible for the mess we find ourselves in.
I’m so glad I’m not on TikTok. People need to get a grip. Also, Vaush completely misses the point. Black people have been saying that we hear the Palestinian cause, we understand them but to stop yelling at us. They then proceeded to go on TikTok and continue to go after black people until some people snapped. Now, these pro-Palestinian creators crying victim.
The issue is that “pressure” one someone already working for you can get you the alternative.
lowkey i think your take on the race war video was bad cause this reason ppl were upset is that black people were being called colonizers for voting kamala, and black people are pretty much always standing by the side of the oppressed history but some palestinian creators are making us villains for voting for kamala for trying to keep our own rights, i also the arab hate vids you used were disingenuous because that quite literally wasn’t the main conflict. Another thing is it’s hard to understand as non-black people but a bunch of these creators have used anti black rhetoric and dog whistles
Edit: The comparisons you make also sound amanda seen wildly disingenuous
I agree with your points, but the argument about how black people are always expected to be in solidarity with everyone else when usually we’re on our own when it comes to our issues is a real one.
It’s usually pretty silent from all fronts on our issues. Even though we have been the battering ram for freedom in this country.
It doesn’t mean you don’t do the right thing, but it’s a valid point.
ummm no everyone is expected to care for you
It's actually not a valid point to expect solidarity and intersectionality from everyone else except yourselves.
Also tons of people from all walks of life came out for BLM, stop pretending you're on your own and no one cares.
@@ashleyoasis7948ok bot 🤖. Good luck this winter in Russia 🇷🇺 😉
I dunno, the black community has had a lot of support since 2020, very vocal and public, far in excess of anything for Palestine when we were at the height of it in 2020.
Regardless, no one is expecting the black community support here in particular, you just shouldn't be shutting them down etc ala this psy op.
You're correct, but this is the absolute worst possible issue to make this point on.
Vaush got the Congo guy wrong
Yeah, I disagree with some of the lines (Palestine isn't the only place on Earth, etc) just because of how they've been used to dismiss the genocide before, but I doubt he meant to do that. Overall his point seemed pretty agreeable, I just think Vaush went in primed to disagree. Also when he talked about bringing race into it, the Congolese guy didn't do that? It's like he was still arguing against the previous videos.
Ofc he did. This is one of the times when he just can't read the room
true that guy was 10000 % correct
I hate to be that guy but why does the black lady have the Uncle Ruckus eye pop? Phonology confirmed?
"WELL, WELL, WELL..."
Edit: OMFG she even said it😂 you can't even make this shit up😂😂😂
Aunt Ruckus no relation
Auntie Ruckus
"i want to keep this quick" 41:35 later....
I mean he tried, chat just were unrelenting in their BS.
She's just making shit up. Just straight guessing. Israel and Apartheid SA were close allies, and many Arab countries called themselves communist at the time. Of course Arab countries supported SA freedom fighters.
When she mentioned Arab slavery. Kefala . That’s her only good point . (Still bad logic)
Obligatory Spidermans pointing at each other memes.
Vaush you're missing a lot here - almost all this debate is centred on literally one central issue:
"Should we vote for Kamala Harris?"
The obvious answer is yes. But so many pro-Palestianian activists on tiktok are being anti-electoralist, and claiming that a vote for Kamala Harris is tantamount to being complicit in the genocide. You, who normally are so anti-anti-electoralist, have completely breezed past that and I am unsure why.
But that is what people are responding to. And in that sense, yes, it makes sense as a black minority or an LGBT minority or whatever else to say well, no, sorry, but if being pro-Palestinian requires me to not vote, if being pro-Palestinian requires me to give up my safety and my democracy and my future, then I am not going to be pro-Palestianian. If that's your purity test, I've failed it.
Now obviously, people should still pressure Harris, obviously people should still be active against the horrors happening in Palestine, and also obviously none of that is incompatible with also voting for Harris.
But yeah, overall, this stance is so contradictory with your usual stances. I cannot fathom why are you approaching it this way.
I agree with what you're saying but I'm not sure how it's counter to what he's saying in the video. He has missed a big picture aspect but I don't know if it's contradictory...?
(Although obviously yes, ethics should not be transactional.)
@@alexanon8345 Well with the caveat that 99.9% of people are utterly incompetent at making arguments and being coherent, the general argument being put forward by black creators is:
"If voting/campaigning/being excited for Kamala Harris makes me anti-Palestine, as you claim, then I am anti-Palestine I guess". This, in broad strokes, is the crux of the argument happening on tiktok, and Vaush is firmly putting himself on the side of anti-electoralism.
Some go a bit further, and the general argument is: "Why should I have to sacrifice for you, when you have not sacrificed for me?" This is an argument that is emotionally resonant with people (regardless of the truth behind it), but also yes, it it is an ethically shit argument. Here I agree with Vaush.
Because that's not the thing being said by the people in the video either way? The specific people being reacted to are just doing the race war BS.
It's two different groups of idiots fighting each other while those of us who understand politics laugh and throw tomatoes. Did you not notice that one of the people speaking early on was still doing the "copmala" bit? I don't think she's part of the "black women for Harris" voting bloc here.
no you know whats its like to be a palistnian where yoy cant vote
14:30 Violence against black people is a systemic problem don't get me wrong, but the fact that this woman is citing INDIVIDUAL NAMES of black people who have been mistreated and comparing that to a GENOCIDE... is honesty disgusting
Thats the dumbest thing ever. It's just your way to ignore black issues.
The degree to which racial politics play a part in socializing in America is way high
Vaush, I don't normally comment on your videos. But i really feel like it is important to highlight a key detail in the black argument that's being missed in 5 second clips. The vast majority of the discourse began from pro-palestinian creators being anti-electoral promoting the position that you cannot vote for Kamala Harris and support palestine at the same time (like Maya Ayooni and Giana Rossol) and being told to remove the Palestinian flag in their bio if they plannned to vote for her . The reason why black creators are using the language that they were being told to "sacrifice themselves for Palestine" is because in this 2024 election foregoing our inability to vote for the democratic party just because of a singular issue is a risk we cannot take as us and other minorities living in the US will potentially be put in very bad conditions if trump or his 2025 agenda wins this election. While I can't speak on subsequent psyopping actions.and the few black creators that have gone further and expressed their own opinions that this makes them no longer support palestine entirely, the vast majority still support palestine but still find it distasteful there's a massive movement telling us (as an ethnic group at risk in this election ) to not vote for a candidate who so far has shown to be more malleable towards the issue than any other viable alternative. And I hate to see that you're mainly observing the few agitators that spoke on these sentiments in a very it poor fashion, because you yourself agree that antielectoralism is the complete opposite way to handle the Israel Gaza situation, where not voting could mean the far right could get into power and make the situation several times worse.
My question is: how do republicans make unfettered and unqualified destruction aid to israel worse?