It’s not just F1 - we live in a hyper reactive world where we act on emotions rather than critical thought and this is exaggerated when we can use that information against someone we don’t like.
I’m a little surprised how McLaren jumped so far ahead in half a season. They jumped over Ferrari Mercedes and Redbull, this seems a little strange to me so far so quickly
This is the other side of the coin that people are ignoring because it is Red Bull being spoken about. McLaren have shot forward in performance at an astonishing rate. I'm sure they have done so completely legitimately as well. But if it was Red Bull who were doing it, you know everyone would be up in arms
Precisely. The point of the sport is to bend or break the rules until it's illegal, then find another way to do it. The drivers have to play by the rules, but the teams have to play to spite them
@@GARAGESXERO i agree its always a grey area but common folk look at it as cheating but its really what can you get away with or how can you interpret or defend a different way of looking at things outside of how they ars intended or in common wholesome morale people terms cheating because in morale terms you read rules and don't look for loopholes because that is cheating but this is F1 if you have morals and don't bend rules or cheat you aren't trying
It's pretty obvious that Windsor was right. The change in Red Bull performance has been stark. From easily winning, and i believe Verstappen could've won all the races he won by more than he did, to not winning is quite a change. A pretty sudden change too. Let's not forget that Verstappen is being heralded as the second coming in F1 circles. And yet he's gone from winning by large margins to not winning ?? You could by forgiven for thinking that Verstappen could win in a supermarket trolley such has been his dominance. And yet suddenly, and it is suddenly, he's not winning. Even Mercedes that has been off the boil for 3 years has been winning now. I think this report/review seems to try hard to make things seem normal. It's obvious there has been a change to the red bull. To hear Verstappen on the radio constantly slagging off his car, the braking, the understeer, makes it clear that he has had a 'benefit' taken away. And let's not forget he would've been told, by the team, not to keep all on about it on the radio. I think this review/report shows an almost childish gullibility in claiming nothing much has happened.
Ooh the toxic Hamiltoncult cannot just get over themselves...remember he still finished second! And where is Hamilton al these last 3 years?? NOWHERE NEAR THE FRONT now he longer has that rocketship.
@@erikvermolen8371 Not sure what you mean about Hamiltoncult ? Weird comment so i'm assuming you're a child. It goes without saying really that yes you need a fast car to be at the front.
FACT .. Laptimes from RB haven't changed .. McLaren and Mercedes were faster then before because they probably have more budget and R&D time than RB. If you try to adjust as a team and you are going the wrong direction with less of both (budget and R&D time) you will fall back further and you get radio messages as you discribe. You sound like SKY's Ted
McLaren actually ran this brake system in the 90s , they had a extra brake pedal and only got caught by a journalist taking a picture of the cockpit after it had broken down in Brazil.
didnt get "caught" old chap. IT was explained to the FIa, and they said, yeah, you're right, it is totally legal ... carry on. The following season after Ferrari threw their toys out the pram, the fia agreed to ban it - but it wasnt illegal prior to that ban
There's an awful lot that doesn't get reported in mainstream media. This is merely one example of how they keep things/news from us. They tell us what they want to tell us. Thought shaping is real. I wouldn't trust UK press and media on very much at all.
Couldn't have said it better myself, George. Like I stated in the first Red Bull "cheating" video, even if Red Bull did have this system before the new rule update it wasn't cheating, if they have it after it will be. Personally I never opened one video about this brake issue until F1Reverse hade their take on it. Good work George.
Just read the previous rule and the additional sentence. You'll realized that the additional sentence doesn't add anything to the rule. It's just a cover for the cheaters.
Back up a minute. The rules already stated that within each circuit the forces applied to the brake pads must be the same magnitude. A circuit is two wheels - there’s a front circuit and a rear circuit. If there were a system that caused, say, the right rear brake to get more force than the left rear, that would be different magnitudes of force on pads in the same circuit, which would be banned under the old or new rules. Different magnitudes are only allowed on different circuits, so you can have front/rear bias adjustments. I’m not saying RB has a system that does that, but if they did use one, it would be cheating.
You are wrong .. a circuit is 4 wheels. How do you think your car brakes? And what if the brakes on one wheel fail during braking? It is LF/RR and RF/LR so you will always be able to brake in a straight line. The system you are trying to explain would prevent the car to brake in a straight line. Not just for that one corner but also at the end of a high-speed straight. Think !!
@@maltwhiskey1424 on an F1 car a circuit is both fronts or both rears. That's why they're allowed to do front-rear brake balance adjustments but not left-right.
explain to me why they were allready slower BEFORE that was prohibited... yeah you don't make any sense... try to recognize the difference between your frustations and actual rational thought, it will help you in life.
Although I think you’ve presented your argument well and unless I missed something, is your only evidence to counter the accusation that “the FIA said so”? Do you not think it is in the FIAs interest to cover up if certain teams have been using brakes that they now deem illegal, especially if it’s a team who has been winning championships? Something to think about 😊
and what are the arguments against redbull? the other teams are quiet. when something like that happens the rivals usually don't stop asking for a punishment, like when the budget problem happend for redbull. Redbull permance got bad a few races before the fia ban
The additional sentence does not clarify the previous rule. It just gives cover to the team that was cheating. The previous rule says that the breaking must be applied symmetrically to both sides of an axis. How is using a device to achieve asymmetric breaking not illegal. There is no loophole or unclear rule. Just cheaters.
The plank thing was breaking the rules and cheating. they should've been disqualified for that. just because it was not testable is very different from bending rules. it broke the rules. not bent them
This happened a few years back with ferarri…with their fuel hacks…all of sudden they just weren’t as competitive …then a year later there’s a new rule 😂 classic move. Red Bull was up to something …the braking directive is probably just some smoke and mirrors. The car literally doesn’t turn anymore lol
max suddenly started having the same issues that Checo has had for the last 10 races, just after the ban of asymmetric braking. idk but that explains it all and that is that max has been cheating all this time.
Respect to McLaren for their evolution. I still think red Bull will take the wm title. But not more. And I think it’s great. Aston needs to get their act together. But let’s see
The rules seemed very clear to me and if breaking them, then it is cheating. However, I don’t think that it’s fair to accuse anyone of cheating without evidence. Now, on with the season.
You mean like for Mercedes when they were the fastest or for Ferrari when they were winning? You just outed yourself as the typical toxic DTS-fan without any knowledge of the sport, well done.
Loved the video, how many times has this happened before right? However, yes, I also agree, this "drama" also calls for interesting theories and conversations
Awesome job, George! Very well said and what a great job explaining exactly what happened. You are 100% right in that F1 Is all about being innovative with their engineering. The primary role of all the engineers and mechanics is to find any way to be able to gain a fraction of a second advantage over their opposition and staying within the rule That's exactly what makes F1 an incredible sport!!!
It's no fair for one team to win every race for the whole year, we all know this, some team has to have an improvement in performance and get the pole then win the race one time, a system that is not prevented by rules is not cheating, rules change too much for teams. So it's unfair to strip a team of their wins because endless endless rules poping up !!!!!
Nice one George there was I think it was Scarbs who showed a valve that could have been used but Iti think would have to argue with the regen for the battery. I think that RBR are too busy trying to stop the brain drain, stop Jos convincing Max to join Mercedes and fixing their car.
Scarbs did the drawing, but I believe it was Peter who floated the theory. Also, the Scarbs drawing was discredited by an actual F1 engineer pretty quickly after he posted it. Guy has a huge following, though, so it did the rounds anyway
the publishing of the rule "clarification" is pretty irrelevant, as the "real" rules are contained in all of the technical directives that the FIA issue to the teams - these are not available to the public. The teams may have had a technical directive for months before the rules are updated. But, what we have seen this season is unprecedented. The only time i can recall a catch up of this magnitude during a season was Ferrari/Mclaren 1997, and that was almost entirely down to the tyre war going on at the time. Something is very odd - cant claim to know what it is, but my suspicion is that Red Bull on their own decided to take some things off their car that they thought could be controversial. I think they made allegations against Mclaren, thinking that Rob Marshall (who knows what Red Bull were doing) might have been doing what they had been doing, but had since stopped doing it. You still following me? good. Then we have Newey leaving. Newey would have known everything. More things to come off the car, just in case. Look, if it was just a case of the Red Bull not being as fast as a competitor, thats one thing, but we can see how understeery that car has got over the season. My suspicion is probably wrong, but there is an explanation and i just dont know what it is
So how do you account for max to be loosing so many races since the f1 change in the brake rules and to loose by 22 seconds in the last GP , you still say there was no cheating or are you living in cuckoo land!!!!!
The rule change came into effect as per this race weekend. So how do you explain RB losing before the rule change actually came into effect? The answer is simple. McLaren brought a massive update in Miami that closed the gap. Then Red Bull brought bad updates in Hungary which gave McLaren the advantage over Red Bull.
@@Suryus94 That makes no sense. Why would they remove something that gives them an edge several races before it becomes illegal? That'd be like Mercedes removing DAS halfway through the season long before it officially gets banned. No team would give up an advantage like that unless forced by the rules. Similarly IF RB was really using such a system and it was truly against the rules all this time then other teams would have been very vocal about it and they would have publicly demanded the FIA look into it at minimum and likely file a protest. None of those things happened.
So I have in the past referred to you as a max fanboy. However, this is not one of those times. And to be completely fair. I’ve come to realize you aren’t and now i’m a huge fan watch every video. Love the take on why this isn’t cheating! I’m a mclaren fanboy and was one of the first to believe it then i dug into it. We love how f1 pushes the limits of creativity. That’s why it’s the pinnacle of Motorsport. We used to build cars with tech that was invented in f1. Now it’s a business. Shame.
So basically you accuse peter and co of having no proof but to negate him you or provide other justification you have no proof 😂😂. Great. 1. This is common in F1 that teams flirt with rules and when caught they simply deny ask Ferrari of there 2019 supercar they outright deny. At times physical or circumstantial evidence can not be obtained that doesn’t mean mistake/crime didn’t happen. Stupid logic from a stupid verstappen fan. Whenever such rule change happens it is obvious the concern team knows it in advance and if they know its not gonna continue they try to change it heftily thus explains the AUS GP breaking issue. From there onwards long are the days of Max starting 2,4,7,10 and still running off by lap 10. Its been said its a small gain but imagine having 2 tenth up on everyone on each corner. Imagine building a car that is fastest under drs and then having a trick that gives cornering advantage. Perfet car. Also it very well explains why max complains about car not turning . Anyways next time try to research a bit and do your hardwork instead of making these reactions videos 😂😂
Not sure the FIA ever confirmed Ferrari had “bent” fuel flow regulations, and yet they saw a marked overnight reduction in their performance once challenged. Sound familiar?
I think the difference between then and now is that the other teams were shouting to anyone who would listen that something was going on with Ferrari's engine. In this case, none of the other teams have said anything. If they suspected something, you know Toto would be in front of every camera he could find trying to get everyone to look at them
Fact is, something happened, RB doenst have that "rocket-ship" anymore.
So does Mercedes after 2021 and Red Bull after 2013
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@@pietervanbreda4360the entire design concept of the cars changed in 2021, so hard to say that was related to any cheating
Why would F1 chsnge the rules if they didn't suspect someone was using an asymetric braking system?
They actually added the extra sentence to cover the cheaters. They make it look like the previous rule was not clear.
It’s not just F1 - we live in a hyper reactive world where we act on emotions rather than critical thought and this is exaggerated when we can use that information against someone we don’t like.
I’m a little surprised how McLaren jumped so far ahead in half a season. They jumped over Ferrari Mercedes and Redbull, this seems a little strange to me so far so quickly
This is the other side of the coin that people are ignoring because it is Red Bull being spoken about. McLaren have shot forward in performance at an astonishing rate. I'm sure they have done so completely legitimately as well. But if it was Red Bull who were doing it, you know everyone would be up in arms
Welcome to F1, if you're not cheating you're not trying!
Precisely. The point of the sport is to bend or break the rules until it's illegal, then find another way to do it. The drivers have to play by the rules, but the teams have to play to spite them
it's not cheating it's just reading the rules differently haha
@@GARAGESXERO i agree its always a grey area but common folk look at it as cheating but its really what can you get away with or how can you interpret or defend a different way of looking at things outside of how they ars intended or in common wholesome morale people terms cheating because in morale terms you read rules and don't look for loopholes because that is cheating but this is F1 if you have morals and don't bend rules or cheat you aren't trying
It's pretty obvious that Windsor was right. The change in Red Bull performance has been stark. From easily winning, and i believe Verstappen could've won all the races he won by more than he did, to not winning is quite a change. A pretty sudden change too.
Let's not forget that Verstappen is being heralded as the second coming in F1 circles. And yet he's gone from winning by large margins to not winning ?? You could by forgiven for thinking that Verstappen could win in a supermarket trolley such has been his dominance. And yet suddenly, and it is suddenly, he's not winning. Even Mercedes that has been off the boil for 3 years has been winning now.
I think this report/review seems to try hard to make things seem normal. It's obvious there has been a change to the red bull. To hear Verstappen on the radio constantly slagging off his car, the braking, the understeer, makes it clear that he has had a 'benefit' taken away. And let's not forget he would've been told, by the team, not to keep all on about it on the radio. I think this review/report shows an almost childish gullibility in claiming nothing much has happened.
Ooh the toxic Hamiltoncult cannot just get over themselves...remember he still finished second! And where is Hamilton al these last 3 years?? NOWHERE NEAR THE FRONT now he longer has that rocketship.
@@erikvermolen8371 Not sure what you mean about Hamiltoncult ? Weird comment so i'm assuming you're a child. It goes without saying really that yes you need a fast car to be at the front.
FACT .. Laptimes from RB haven't changed .. McLaren and Mercedes were faster then before because they probably have more budget and R&D time than RB. If you try to adjust as a team and you are going the wrong direction with less of both (budget and R&D time) you will fall back further and you get radio messages as you discribe.
You sound like SKY's Ted
McLaren actually ran this brake system in the 90s , they had a extra brake pedal and only got caught by a journalist taking a picture of the cockpit after it had broken down in Brazil.
Yes, sounds like someone (😂) found a way to achieve the same effect without the pedal.
didnt get "caught" old chap. IT was explained to the FIa, and they said, yeah, you're right, it is totally legal ... carry on. The following season after Ferrari threw their toys out the pram, the fia agreed to ban it - but it wasnt illegal prior to that ban
This is so fascinating of how quiet this is. No where in main stream media is this being reported. Only on the internet
There's an awful lot that doesn't get reported in mainstream media. This is merely one example of how they keep things/news from us. They tell us what they want to tell us. Thought shaping is real. I wouldn't trust UK press and media on very much at all.
Good on you mate for keeping it real, the copium against Max and RedBull from the British has been astonishing to watch this year
🤡👍🏻
it's like people claim Mclaren are cheating
Superb explanation George, on how things work with F1+journalism
Why doesn't anyone look at the telemetry? It would be there in black and white. My guess is because it would show nothing.
Or it might show something , which is why is not being looked at. There's two sides to any coin .
It would be there. There was analysis based on telemetry.
Couldn't have said it better myself, George. Like I stated in the first Red Bull "cheating" video, even if Red Bull did have this system before the new rule update it wasn't cheating, if they have it after it will be. Personally I never opened one video about this brake issue until F1Reverse hade their take on it. Good work George.
Just read the previous rule and the additional sentence. You'll realized that the additional sentence doesn't add anything to the rule. It's just a cover for the cheaters.
I really enjoyed this video with your explanations.
well spoken and balanced!
Back up a minute. The rules already stated that within each circuit the forces applied to the brake pads must be the same magnitude. A circuit is two wheels - there’s a front circuit and a rear circuit. If there were a system that caused, say, the right rear brake to get more force than the left rear, that would be different magnitudes of force on pads in the same circuit, which would be banned under the old or new rules. Different magnitudes are only allowed on different circuits, so you can have front/rear bias adjustments.
I’m not saying RB has a system that does that, but if they did use one, it would be cheating.
Very well said, same thing I thought. RB has fallen off a cliff since the start of the year, I'm not one bit surprised.
You are wrong .. a circuit is 4 wheels. How do you think your car brakes? And what if the brakes on one wheel fail during braking? It is LF/RR and RF/LR so you will always be able to brake in a straight line. The system you are trying to explain would prevent the car to brake in a straight line. Not just for that one corner but also at the end of a high-speed straight. Think !!
@@maltwhiskey1424 on an F1 car a circuit is both fronts or both rears. That's why they're allowed to do front-rear brake balance adjustments but not left-right.
Not only is it pretty obvious they were cheating. It's also pretty clear only Max had the trail braking system.
Red Bull had a fiddle brake, do dah do dah. No way Max goes from winning by 20 seconds to Lando winning by 22 seconds without losing that advantage,
#FACTS
explain to me why they were allready slower BEFORE that was prohibited... yeah you don't make any sense... try to recognize the difference between your frustations and actual rational thought, it will help you in life.
Although I think you’ve presented your argument well and unless I missed something, is your only evidence to counter the accusation that “the FIA said so”? Do you not think it is in the FIAs interest to cover up if certain teams have been using brakes that they now deem illegal, especially if it’s a team who has been winning championships? Something to think about 😊
Yep, same with Ferrari during fuel flow gate. Never found to have done anything wrong but a miraculous drop in performance.
and what are the arguments against redbull? the other teams are quiet. when something like that happens the rivals usually don't stop asking for a punishment, like when the budget problem happend for redbull. Redbull permance got bad a few races before the fia ban
@@luis-dk8oq Red Bull have been relegated to the 5th fastest car. Most folks would think that’s enough?
The additional sentence does not clarify the previous rule. It just gives cover to the team that was cheating. The previous rule says that the breaking must be applied symmetrically to both sides of an axis. How is using a device to achieve asymmetric breaking not illegal. There is no loophole or unclear rule. Just cheaters.
I've heard of Peter Windsor, he's been in F1 for 30 years or more... I've never heard of you.
You sound like a really good AI, thanks for being a human! Subscribed!
The plank thing was breaking the rules and cheating. they should've been disqualified for that. just because it was not testable is very different from bending rules. it
broke the rules. not bent them
This happened a few years back with ferarri…with their fuel hacks…all of sudden they just weren’t as competitive …then a year later there’s a new rule 😂 classic move. Red Bull was up to something …the braking directive is probably just some smoke and mirrors. The car literally doesn’t turn anymore lol
max suddenly started having the same issues that Checo has had for the last 10 races, just after the ban of asymmetric braking. idk but that explains it all and that is that max has been cheating all this time.
Respect to McLaren for their evolution. I still think red Bull will take the wm title. But not more. And I think it’s great. Aston needs to get their act together. But let’s see
The rules seemed very clear to me and if breaking them, then it is cheating. However, I don’t think that it’s fair to accuse anyone of cheating without evidence. Now, on with the season.
Funny how the FIA has to constantly clearify rules for the Red Bullies.
You mean like for Mercedes when they were the fastest or for Ferrari when they were winning? You just outed yourself as the typical toxic DTS-fan without any knowledge of the sport, well done.
Loved the video, how many times has this happened before right? However, yes, I also agree, this "drama" also calls for interesting theories and conversations
It's easy to see it if you use the incar camera on F1TV. On both Max and Charles the car will yaw right before turn in.
Awesome job, George! Very well said and what a great job explaining exactly what happened. You are 100% right in that F1 Is all about being innovative with their engineering. The primary role of all the engineers and mechanics is to find any way to be able to gain a fraction of a second advantage over their opposition and staying within the rule That's exactly what makes F1 an incredible sport!!!
Well said!
Stroll at it again, big news coming about LH
It's no fair for one team to win every race for the whole year, we all know this, some team
has to have an improvement in performance and get the pole then win the race one time,
a system that is not prevented by rules is not cheating, rules change too much for teams.
So it's unfair to strip a team of their wins because endless endless rules poping up !!!!!
Nice one George there was I think it was Scarbs who showed a valve that could have been used but Iti think would have to argue with the regen for the battery.
I think that RBR are too busy trying to stop the brain drain, stop Jos convincing Max to join Mercedes and fixing their car.
Scarbs did the drawing, but I believe it was Peter who floated the theory. Also, the Scarbs drawing was discredited by an actual F1 engineer pretty quickly after he posted it. Guy has a huge following, though, so it did the rounds anyway
the publishing of the rule "clarification" is pretty irrelevant, as the "real" rules are contained in all of the technical directives that the FIA issue to the teams - these are not available to the public. The teams may have had a technical directive for months before the rules are updated.
But, what we have seen this season is unprecedented.
The only time i can recall a catch up of this magnitude during a season was Ferrari/Mclaren 1997, and that was almost entirely down to the tyre war going on at the time.
Something is very odd - cant claim to know what it is, but my suspicion is that Red Bull on their own decided to take some things off their car that they thought could be controversial.
I think they made allegations against Mclaren, thinking that Rob Marshall (who knows what Red Bull were doing) might have been doing what they had been doing, but had since stopped doing it. You still following me? good.
Then we have Newey leaving. Newey would have known everything. More things to come off the car, just in case.
Look, if it was just a case of the Red Bull not being as fast as a competitor, thats one thing, but we can see how understeery that car has got over the season.
My suspicion is probably wrong, but there is an explanation and i just dont know what it is
Humans....we're So Gullible ..!! Ha!
AT LAST !! a video that talks sense ...... well done !
G sensitive T valve failed in the rear braking system which caused the over heating the right rear brakes..
Finally someone with logic. Nice video👍
That's the gent behind the voiceover 😊
So how do you account for max to be loosing so many races since the f1 change in the brake rules and to loose by 22 seconds in the last GP , you still say there was no cheating or are you living in cuckoo land!!!!!
The rule change came into effect as per this race weekend. So how do you explain RB losing before the rule change actually came into effect?
The answer is simple. McLaren brought a massive update in Miami that closed the gap. Then Red Bull brought bad updates in Hungary which gave McLaren the advantage over Red Bull.
@@Rrr000yyYOr maybe Redbull just smelled the situation and didn't wait for the exact day, hour, minute and second of the rule being out
@@Suryus94 That makes no sense. Why would they remove something that gives them an edge several races before it becomes illegal? That'd be like Mercedes removing DAS halfway through the season long before it officially gets banned. No team would give up an advantage like that unless forced by the rules.
Similarly IF RB was really using such a system and it was truly against the rules all this time then other teams would have been very vocal about it and they would have publicly demanded the FIA look into it at minimum and likely file a protest. None of those things happened.
Red Bulls rear tyres gave up the ghost. Exactly as predicted when the cheating brake adjuster was removed.
Argue that George.
And when was that exactly? As in from which race weekend?
Miami
@@chrisclark4813 You mean the race where McLaren just happened to bring a massive update and Red Bull didn't?
@Rrr000yyY Does is look any better now for RB? 😂
So I have in the past referred to you as a max fanboy. However, this is not one of those times. And to be completely fair. I’ve come to realize you aren’t and now i’m a huge fan watch every video.
Love the take on why this isn’t cheating! I’m a mclaren fanboy and was one of the first to believe it then i dug into it. We love how f1 pushes the limits of creativity. That’s why it’s the pinnacle of Motorsport. We used to build cars with tech that was invented in f1. Now it’s a business. Shame.
The moment FIA made them remove the illegal rear brakes valve the startel losing. Hmmmmm.🤔
FIA trust me bro
Even if they use there no rule got that so they are not cheating,,
You post seems a fair analysis to me. I am no Red Bull fan. I don't like their culture.
Great video
Greetings fellow Verstappen fanboy :P
😂😂
Loser 😂
i'll try to be different and call you checo fanboy :)
Now illegal ? Biased and in the tank for Crashstapan
I guess by the title you still crying over 2021 :)
So basically you accuse peter and co of having no proof but to negate him you or provide other justification you have no proof 😂😂. Great.
1. This is common in F1 that teams flirt with rules and when caught they simply deny ask Ferrari of there 2019 supercar they outright deny.
At times physical or circumstantial evidence can not be obtained that doesn’t mean mistake/crime didn’t happen. Stupid logic from a stupid verstappen fan.
Whenever such rule change happens it is obvious the concern team knows it in advance and if they know its not gonna continue they try to change it heftily thus explains the AUS GP breaking issue. From there onwards long are the days of Max starting 2,4,7,10 and still running off by lap 10. Its been said its a small gain but imagine having 2 tenth up on everyone on each corner. Imagine building a car that is fastest under drs and then having a trick that gives cornering advantage. Perfet car.
Also it very well explains why max complains about car not turning .
Anyways next time try to research a bit and do your hardwork instead of making these reactions videos 😂😂
channels like fixed 🤣
You are a red bull fan boy how does a car with 20 seconds gap go to losing the last 5 rases unfollowed you back red bull to much
hahahaha oh nooo somebody is fan of someone different than your favourite! Your tiny mind cannot handle that!
Well, if as you say, I should not believe everything I read on the internet, why would I believe this pile of goo you just served up?
Talking out of your backside the rules haven't been changed at all and your a fool if you believe the Fia
Red ball of been cheating for years
OOh poor little you, can you actually back that up with facts or it just your hurt little feelings and frustrations that you are venting?
What a terrible pointless video .
Not sure the FIA ever confirmed Ferrari had “bent” fuel flow regulations, and yet they saw a marked overnight reduction in their performance once challenged.
Sound familiar?
I think the difference between then and now is that the other teams were shouting to anyone who would listen that something was going on with Ferrari's engine. In this case, none of the other teams have said anything. If they suspected something, you know Toto would be in front of every camera he could find trying to get everyone to look at them
"That is what F1 is all about!"
And 'that' is cheating. . . so now take the money and run!
Both Red Bull and Ferrari were both using it in 2023.