YouTube hates Artists and Creators and it's getting worse!.. THE END OF ART
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- Опубликовано: 24 фев 2023
- In this video, I talk about the Future of Art, RUclips, Social Media, Online Art content, and much more... and while I do that you can join me in the studio for a sketchbook Painting session.
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UPDATE 2: After 6 days, RUclips is starting to recommend this video to a broader audience... but it took over 1700 comments and 9k likes to get here! (And the video has only around 70k views)
If THIS is the kind of reaction youtube needs before it recommends art content, how on earth is any artist and creative supposed to share their passion with the world and reach a wider audience?
The only good thing is that other artists will now have a positive effect because the more people this video reaches, the more youtube will recommend my fellow peers and their videos along with it. (what many people don't know is that if more art videos do well, ALL artists benefit from it because our content and channels are linked/associated with each other)
UPDATE: As of right now this video has more views, likes, comments and shares than all of my other recent videos. But the amount of people this video reaches (impressions) is lower or the same than my last videos. It’s not the viewers who decide the views and what they see… it’s RUclips! And they do in fact control and suppress users and content. Wether it’s a feature or a bug I don’t know. But it is 100% real!
Some food for thought 😅. Thank you all for watching!!! Please show each other some love and support… Artists, creatives and creators need a sense of community more than ever!!! 🫶
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Your video brought to light exactly what I've noticed. Less of the art I want to see, more garbage I'm not interested in. RUclips didn't used to be that way. It's frustrating. Thank you for clarifying, for me, the vague red flags that I didn't quite identify.
That is exactly the same intention that I try to advocate in my IG page and my brand new baby channel here. I can only hope for the algorithm to stop working against us creatives. Artists supporting artists is imperative 😊🫶🏻💕
Well, I think one way around the problem could be to start doing short videos. And I don't mean compromising with the quality of the content. What I mean is a short video serving as a trailer for the longer one. I've seen this on a channel with some historic content and was wondering, why the guy was doing it, but after watching your video I think that it may be that he's using the short videos to get attention for the full content ones and get around the algorythm.
@@Eltanin25 perhaps you’re right 👍🏻
I have a really small channel and had to stop painting traditionally and started to do comic illustrations to generate some views and try to grow my channel because of this issue. At first I thought I was going crazy but it seems I’m not the only one experiencing this. Thanks for bringing this topic up. RUclips would also actively take away my views. One moment I would have 60 views and a few hours later I would have 25 views. And having a small channel, there’s no way to ask for help, no to call or email cause RUclips prioritizes bigger channels, not nothing channels like mine. Even though I like painting traditionally I can’t afford it now.
i feel like social media in general is working against artist tbh
100%
Exactly it became so bad in ig I quit
true.
social media is poison.
Oh absolutely. It always comes down to money, money and more money. And a LOT of censorship lol.
Trying to get my art out on instagram and even deviantart was completely fruitless, but i was beyond surprised after moving to a small town in central Finland. People were happy to not only view my art but support it, talk about it with their friends and family. Sharing and creating is greatly encouraged. And it just makes me think that maybe its the internet that ruined art and its value. Just creating art isn't enough for the online world, we have to dress it up and dance it around like a monkey.
What methods did you try on instagram or deviant art to let people know that you exist at all? It took some social interactions in your town for people to realize that you make art and to then see it and then to like it and talk about it. Is there really more individuals in your small town that have seen your art than there were views on social media? The people noticing you in your home town might be enough to raise your exposure on-line. All it takes is for a few people to link to your art and then all of a sudden your audience is the whole world. The first step has to be local engagement or on-line engagement. No one will find you on-line or in real life unless they have a reason to find you...
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 i maxed out my online art presence at about 5000 follows on insta after 5 years, half the population of my small town, and dA is basically dead. In my experience even just 10 people being interested in my art in real life did way more than the 5000 online. And it may or may not be a good number, but it became stagnant there. And no one would buy art, just look and scroll. Maybe comment if i danced it around like a monkey. The way i view it now, the real life interactions people have with my art are way more important than trying to gain followers and presence online. Real life meaningful interactions lead to newpaper articles, connections, art galleries, and selling my art became easier too once i changed my focus. And i wish i knew it from the start! Theres a ton of pressure to be known online, and it really isn't worth it for me anymore
Its true it has to start somewhere, whether it be online or real life. But for me personally, one was way more effective.
Value means money if I am not wrong.
The internet is slowly getting worse and worse
@@PeachiiWubs your definitely right about that!!
As someone who always watches art related videos on youtube, I see so many underrated artists who are extremely skilled and hardworking. It breaks my heart because they deserve so much better. Your video really shows the truth. I hope it spreads to everyone on youtube.
Would love to follow more underrated artist. ❤️
It doesn't matter if it's Jazza, Erogojosh, Adam Duff, Loish, etc, what matters is that we all bring this topic to discussion so that the general scene for art communities on any platform and social media can change and overcome the current obstacles at hand. So thanks for bringing this up and don't stop encouraging this discussion.
The changes they've made to search have honestly ruined any interest for me to look for art on YT and a lot of other stuff. It's impossible to find anything because you'll get 4-5 videos related to your search and then the rest are videos you've watched before, videos that aren't even related at all.
Exactly! It's so frustrating! The reason why I use Search in the first place is because I'm not happy with the recommended videos, and yet YT insists on shoving them down my throat!
I totally agree hard to find anything new. Internet search is very worst.
Half the time I get vids from channels I subscribe to instead of my search terms, their search engine for the world has the same problems.
I can't search for anything anymore on YT. The amount of fast and done videos defeats anything creative. Been back into art recently yet I see nothing 99% of the time.
Totally agree, the search needs to be a lot better, really can't stand the recommendations (Mr Beast etc... ). I've based all of my video creation generally on search and yet most of the views are not based on search at all, most are from outside sources. It is definitely getting worse for art / design based videos
We need to stick together because corporations want us isolated
happy to read this. my best regards to you.
Yes!❤
odd. it says there are six replies but when I expand it, only two show up?
@@artistpoet5253 7 replies in my case, bit I only see 3.. weird
@@powerjolt7215 same here, 8 replies but 4 shows. They make us dirty
This was a heart wrenching video as I am one of those artists that has almost given up my art entirely. Besides the social media gift/curse I believe that society as a whole has abandoned the arts. Societies of past used to almost have art at the helm for forward motion. People used to respect artists, thinkers, sculptors, builders etc. because the masses were aware of the work and time invested out of love and only later in life would make a living out of it. These days art is looked at as something doomed to leave you homeless. In my heart that’s exactly why artists should be praised much more. It’s sad that artists will be the ones that have to support other artists but seems to be the only answer. Maybe if we start watching each other more, we can start making a dent on the algorithm.
I think you're right...start watching. That is also the beginning of community
You should start a hastag #artcommunity
This makes so much sense! It was getting so difficult finding good art content lately. Thank you for shedding light on this!
Great video. As a RUclips "consumer" I'm also frustrated with the recommendation engine. It shows me the same videos over and over again, and they are usually the ones with hyperbolic titles and party trick content. And the Shorts are definitely taking over. I spend a lot more time scrolling past things I don't want to watch and it's getting annoying.
I'm also concerned that RUclips deliberately concentrates on promoting already successful channels, resulting in a few people making ridiculous amounts of money and everyone else speaking into a void. Not that every creator is relying on RUclips for income, but RUclips shouldn't be the one deciding that. It's not a free market. It's a centrally controlled economy, and we know how those always end.
Ikr. It keeps recommending me videos from 2-10 years ago! The videos that I already either watched or actively chose not to watch back then (hit "not interested" on them). But when it comes to newer content, it's just bad, it's often just things I'm not interested in. I have to scroll a lot to find something I might be interested in watching. It's annoying, it's really frustrating 🙄
That's a censorship tactic so the creator falls in line in order to make the money.
Any of my videos longer than about 30 seconds seem to drop off the cliff and even shorts seem to have to be super shorts, I am certain we will get to the point where videos will be about 2 seconds or so and they will be too long for retention purposes
Algorithms put in place with great intentions
@@jenniferlittle1905 Certain that is the case but sometimes good / great intentions have a ... well, everyone knows the expression. It does feel like it is getting worse, videos will be 20 seconds etc or less, instantly gratifying and probably will eventually be created by AI ... and then starts another video platform that is based on search
I wasn't aware, that youtube is actively suppressing longer format content, but I noticed, that the algorithm picks it up really fast, when I click on a trashy video once or twice. And then my whole timeline is full of it. Thanks for making this video. I agree, it's voll scheisse!
Yeah the only way I can even get my animations to people, is through shorter form content. It’s great on a short term, but it hinders a lot of my vision.
It's true, the videos we personally click on and like shape our algorithm.
so true. You click on some shit once, and suddenly you are flooded with it and it takes a week to lose it again like a bad smell.
Honestly. Back in Highschool, which tbf I finished last year, there was an abundance of longer form content, which there still is, but the catch is that it got recommended. Videos of at least 30 mins to an hour or a few hours got recommended consistently. And I loved it!
I never downloaded tiktok so never got into that and RUclips shorts was my first taste of "TikTok content" and it was horrible. I saw some shorts I loved, but the rest would just be weird art hacks that make no sense or mind numbing content and let me not get into that period of time where everything was basically Andrew Tate centered... (I don't dislike the guy, but it was tiring seeing him all the time when I just wanted to see some interesting facts shorts...)
@@haydenjory7109 addicted and that is horrible
Thanks for putting this video and your thoughts out there. I agree so much with this, about the community and algorithms, etc. Hope the traditional art world continues to flourish!
It’s interesting I was showed this video today, because today I have been seriously considering giving up art. It’s not just happening on RUclips, but all social media platforms. Instagram, Twitter, twitch. Algorithms do not favor artists and it’s so hard to keep up with posting constantly when sometimes the art takes forever to make. Or you have art you can’t post because of contracts. But yet ai artists are going viral cause they can post 5 posts a day, with various pieces on each post so keeps people looking longer. I miss the days of art communities so much.
The twitter algorithm will be public by tomorrow... They are looking to improve with help of the masses, looking for input... Looking for subscrption money so they can be more free from the influence of advertising money...
Well, RUclips put this video in my scanning path... so, something is working. You have a new subscriber. I think this isn't just with art, I think that some of the most meaningful content isn't making it to the top of searches. Why? Well, because entertaining videos very often take precedence over real substance. Your criticism of RUclips and Google search engines has worked to put you on our screens. I'm glad you did it, I'm glad you're here, and I for one absolutely appreciate the extraordinary quality of your art and presentation. Instant fan.
an artist makes art for its own sake. he doesn't worry about lack of audience or work.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 Unless the artist needs to make a living from his/her art. It would be a perfect world if all we had to do was please ourselves.
It was exactly the same. This video somehow showed up. I started watching, agreed and subscribed.
That's because this video is designed to create discussion around the issue, so naturally, comments like yours and mine count towards its overall "score" to be recommended. It's ""controversial"" in that way. So then it raises the video.
@Frederick Dunn You have a new subscriber ✌️😊
Thanks for promoting arts and creators and raising awareness of a dreadful issue! (Commenting to push this vid)
Hell yeah man. We need to rebuild the art community. Start appreciating each other’s contributions to the creative world.
over the last few weeks when searching "art" to find fellow art channels, it is next to impossible to find anyone that actually does ART. I love watching other artists for inspiration. You are so spot on with the fact that you just cannot find good art channels very easily at all recently. It is obvious people do not have attention spans like they used to so a 20 plus minute video on a single art piece probably isn't going to get watched all the way through, people will skip if they click on it at all. it is disappointing and discouraging.
Wdym by "impossible to find anyone that actually does art".
@@samuraibeluga3749 like traditional art: drawing, painting things like that. not wierd art "hacks", satisfying whatever compilations, dress up or makeup videos, a.i. generated art... or even what were once fun artists to watch doing gimmicks for views like jazza. that is what comes up for the most part when I search art, I never watch anything like that so it is annoying. I MIGHT get 3 videos that pop up of an actual artist doing something I would gravitate towards again painting, drawing, colored pencils, markers, posca pens I don't care just traditional style art.
If you search acrylic, oil or watercolour painting tutorial on youtube, there are literally hundreds, so dont know what youre talking about
@@koniginwolf6 i really could not disagree more. And not only do i not disagree as i dont unserstand what you are talking about. Traditional is preety easy to find. I also hate this sentiment about creators like jazza who are accused of just doing stuff for views just because they expand their content? Its an incredibly elitist mentality, what he does is still creative and is perfectly valid art. But no suddebly he doesnt count because hes not sticking to "traditional". In fact the label of traditional art only being used to describe drawing and painting is just stupid imho.
@Judy Webster different things can happen in different countries. For intstance, CanAm Missing 411 videos are ad free here in Australia (unlike in the US, by the comments posted on Dave's show). Also, in Austalia so far its no issue. What they do is apparently Beta test some countries to see what the reaction is to things being 'tweaked''. Art practitioners are also easy to find here in my country Australia, ...so far!
Had the same thing happen to me on Instagram and Twitter. Was basically rendered obsolete on all platforms i used to be on. I'm a traditional artist and it's sad how much its been shoved off social media.
maybe there is just too much competition - its become saturated...
Also a lot of pages become so repetitive…. I’d imagine engagement would decrease eventually….
I think it has to do with the direction social media is going…anything that shows the beauty of humanity or causes reflection, the way art does, is suppressed. I think it’s about mind manipulation…being groomed into good consumers of bubblegum, consumable, fleeting entertainment etc. At least that’s my theory
Well I am so thankful for every artist who has been generous enough to share there talents and thoughts. I learned so much. Ita saddens me to think that artists feel they are not getting the recognition they deserve
When I was young I wanted to go to art school. My family was poor so I had to go to work instead. Now I'm retired and I revel in the traditional art classes on You tube. I'm lucky to have access to these videos to further my artistic yearnings, even as I hunt for them through a lot of videos that don't attract me. I hope you can continue- with my gtatitude.
This is SO TRUE! It's frustrating both as a creator and as a consumer. The search engine is absolute trash now. If you do a search for "oil painting" or whatever medium, you get 6. That's not a typo, SIX listings on that specific search, then it's a bunch of "people also watched", "new channels for you" and "people also searched" along with other suggested posts not under what you searched for. You used to be able to do a search for oil paintings and get hundreds of pages to search through. It was so easy to find new content. It's impossible to find the content you want now. You get what they want you to see.
TBH, the search on yt has been crap for at least 5-10 years, because it searches what it generates in the sidebar as well 👉👉
Even the google search engine itself has become trash. It’s full of censorship and manipulation. Google doesn’t give me anything I’m looking for.
I heard they have changed search tools. Hash tags will not be used as before and tags are being replaced by classification groups you must choose when you are editing your videos and posts. Well, I am not sure about it, but I have seem many people introducing this.
Thank you for your perspective. You're one of the artist who inspired me to put my art on RUclips. This trend is disturbing though.
I noticed that too. Its so frustrating.
You're absolutely right, not only in RUclips all over I'm a Artist in Puerto Rico I showed my work in few shows in the island one of my paintings won an award I never received the award the person in charge of the event didn't even acknowledge that my paintings was there it was crazy, I even lost the desire of painting I love to paint, I haven't paint for over a year. I agree with you art it's been taken for granted. Everything it's digital, or abstract art, that I personally don't like. I love traditional art.
Don't lose the desire to paint because of others...I did something similar due to a break up, I regret, I'm slowly getting back to where I was and hopefully surpass that point. I was pretty darn good, now I'm a bit rusty... keep your level of expertise, skill, talents, enjoy -- Keep going for yourself and then later share with others. Some of us that enjoy art, what we see created by others gives us joy too in just seeing what others create. Keep going and don't let others keep you down, then they 'win'. Wishing you more Joy!! :)
Hope you do not stop painting because of that, the world needs beauty. 🙂
@@GabrielaLtc Doesn't deserve it tho.
I am with you! ❤
When you are ready keep going but since traditional art is dying i recommend to paint during this dsrk era bc after all is a testimony how it was to paint for a time when people where not interested at all in traditional art
I'm blown away how well that paper is soaking in that gouache paint from your paint scumbling. It's sitting so well. Love the technique you have going on here.
Hey, it got to me. Congrats. I used to be an editorial cartoonist. Too timid to find out just how far back I've fallen. But I have many other creative joys. Thanks for the video.
How alarming and sad. I am starting an art career, now I know why RUclips has not been on my radar.
youre always better building an organic following IRL through networking events, cons, family, friends, etc in my opinion
OH, so YOU'RE the one who got the Abby Normal name!! I tried every weird spelling and none of them were available. Lucky you!!
--a fellow Abby normal
Lol
I'm someone who used to chase the algorithm and shifted from art speedpaints to art challenges and other gimmicks. I got tired of it and now just post what I truly want, but my channel views are way down, and I lose subscribers daily. I knew that would happen, but chasing views was bad for my art and my mental health. I think my channel would have suffered even if I stuck to my older content. It seems like art videos in general aren't as popular as they used to be, whether it's flashy content or otherwise. Luckily, I don't depend on RUclips as my primary income source anymore, which has been very freeing. I can be creative without stressing as much. But it's still sad seeing the art community decline like this.
I'll admit I don't watch many art channels anymore. I mostly stick to studio vlogs because art videos don't hold my attention anymore unless it's short form. I want to follow PEOPLE who do art, not the art itself. I want the personal connection and relatability. I only gravitate towards speedpaints if they're short, which I mainly watch on TikTok.
Wow I just double-taked because of your username. I used to watch you all the time and I haven't seen videos from you in ages! I need to catch up! It's crazy cause you have 1M subscribers but I have noticed with other creators that the subscriber count doesn't really seem to matter anymore. Art videos really don't get the views. I am glad you're making content you enjoy rather than let the algorithm dictate you.
I'm subscribed to both you and Alpay, and I love both forms of content. Both are interesting and engaging, and I want to thank you for that.
I don't like "speed paints" especially digital. It shows people nothing, it adds nothing, and teaches nothing. Someone drew something and uploaded the time lapse to RUclips with no additional commentary, or interaction and I feel like it's lazy and doesn't deserve my time. If you did a voice over and gave some direction, talked about the process etc.. it would be different.
@@JessiDeerSims Agreed, silent speedpaints are the worst. Commentary is a must.
@@BayleeJae yes! It just shows effort and passion. Just checked out your channel, love your style!! Super cute
I hate that it’s forcing us to post shorts ..
it was never “easy” before even ! But definitely isn’t getting easier
Been trying to build up my channel for the past 7 years .. it never got to a point that motivated me .. it never even notify my audience
At this point I only keep uploading cause I like it .. not because I’m trying to build up my channel it’s more healthier to me to have that mindset .. uploading and waiting for YT to “recommend” my work is a the worst place an artist could get stuck at .. keep creating and try to be consistent for your sanity
I’ve been creating watercolor painting videos on YT for 2 years now and hadn’t been shown anything from your channel, Alpay. I started by doing traditional watercolors, but over the 2 years I’ve slowly switched to simpler, easier, beginner oriented tutorials and the channel has grown well, and we have a reasonable income from YT, Amazon, Patreon etc. But if I hadn’t made that switch (which I don’t mind, it’s much easier for me, too, than painting « proper » art videos and there’s only so much time in the day…) - our channel would not have been where it is now, just about to reach 100K subscribers. So, I agree with everything you say in this video. And I have noticed that very few artists ever comment on each others work - I sometimes do, but I don’t feel my comments are appreciated! I like the painting you are doing in this video - she looks like Princess Diana!
It’s exhausting to feel like we’ve worked so hard and get nothing back…YT used to be fun 😢 Thanks for this. There’s something about knowing it’s hitting big accounts like yours too…it’s not just YT crushing me alone. It’s crushing us all. 😢
Hallo Sandy, I Always watch your videos and know that You are making an immens amount of Art content. I don't understand how people who make silly Videos and have nothing to say are rewarded by RUclips.
Stop with this fake persecution complex, the both of you, even if it's getting the OP views. It's not true and it's destructive because it gives you a scapegoat that makes you feel better just enough to not actually change to get better results. Sandy, you've consistently gotten around the same amount of views per video for a decade. Occasionally you'll create a video that goes somewhat viral (60k views, 100k views, even 20k views is decent output) but you almost never replicate it. You just keep going along doing what you want, which is fine, this is art after all, but you can't then complain that more people won't watch your videos when there's a multitude of other artists out there that will give the audience videos on what they want. I suppose nothing is stopping you from continuing the trudge, but at least now you have a chance to change because now you can't unknow that you are largely responsible for the outcome you've been getting.
To recap, if you're interested in growth, make a list of your top performing videos, and then make videos exploring those topics more in depth. That's it.
@@avamasquerade wow thanks for being nasty.
I am thankful & would love to share all that is sketching in my mind (my notes from your video covered the back of a large paper plate). Few things scare me as much as Artificial Intelligence! I call it (Dumming Down) and after 70 years of creating art in more mediums than I can name,
One of my students (30 years ago) came to my studio saying she didn't know how to hold a brush or even draw a stick figure. Some few years later, she was being invited to teach art all over the world.
Shame on RUclips, wake up, this matters, it's time to encourage everyone to be creative, express individuality, and share content on a reliable platform.
@@tamerajones6470 congratulations on getting to watch a student grow like that! Several of mine have come back years later to tell me of commissions they’re now creating and it’s so gratifying. Keep teaching!😍
Maybe its time for our own platform? ArtTube? PaintTube? MeTube? I agree, its a nightmare trying to "get out there". Not only battling with social media and the various platform for selling and promoting, but the personal effort too. Its takes a certain kind of bravery to believe that anyone might want to see your art. and then when no one sees it or only your immediate circle and it goes no further it can feel hard. It would be great to have a supportive ART community!
The people who own the investment and payment processor companies are the ones pushing this. You can't escape.
Yes an Art Tube!
Good idea but I’m not sure how successful it’d be
100%. I won't be the one to do it as I have 0 knowledge on anything, but if ToyHouse can get big than a site for art videos definitely can! :D
It should be named Artube !!!
At last, someone else notices this too, and has the guts to speak up on behalf of real artists. Your art is also delightful. Vielen Dank und das war ein tolles Video!
You are extremely intelligent and articulate as well as being an incredible artist. I had no idea what you and other artists go through on YT. I am going to go through my subscriptions and make sure I still have notifications set. I think your videos are so professionally done. Your equipment is excellent and watching you paint is a joy (plus, you’re funny). Selfishly, I hope you continue to make videos and share them with us. Thank you for this video.
It's annoying because I love the long videos, the in depth videos. I come to RUclips to learn and be inspired. Not scroll mindlessly.
Awesome video, thanks for inspiring me to pick up the paintbrush again. Hopefully I'll get to create videos at some stage 🙏🙏🙏
Exactly!!! That is why I have really enjoyed YT for years and it is changing.
It's not people anymore. Its AI and algorithms.
For that Vero will be better
yes and not just in the arts and this is only the beginning- wait for it!
Ai algorithms that was made and control by humans
Cope and Seethe.
🤭
Darn Al Gore and his rhythms!
It’s the life of an Artist enjoy your art
This is definitely why I feel trying to make connections in your local community is going to become so important moving forward.
It’s about time someone is talking about this. Artists are visionaries and inventors. Of coarse they are being hidden away. Propagandists hate free expression and free speech.
of coarse :D
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It’s crazy how social media was supposed to allow us to connect easier and to a wider audience but it’s becoming much better to just network in real life at this point. Those real life connections are the only ones that actually bring value to our lives now. These platforms are just becoming endless short reels and aren’t conducive for pretty much anyone’s work so they are going to force us off of their own platforms due to their greediness. I’ve even seen this on Instagram and Facebook. I can’t even remember the last time I’ve seen a post from an actual friend and not just some random reel that was targeted to me through the algorithm. The thing is, the people that work at these companies are solely focused on increasing revenue. They don’t care how they do it. Even if that means completely destroying their actual source of revenue in the future, the people that use the platform to begin with. As long as that one person high up in the company looks good in front of their boss because they increased revenue, that’s all that matters.
I so agree! Real life art communities are where it’s at!!
TikTok , rumble etc will replace ytube.
I’ve also given up on getting any traction online. In person is so much easier and better for my mental health too. My time is used better when I can just focus on painting Vs making content and marketing online.
this video made me actually cry. It was a great video and I’m glad someone finally talked about this!
Society at large has a gross disrespect for art and artists.
The constant pressure of creating pieces and posting everyday on social media killed my enthusiasm. Thank you for raising this. As always this video is inspiring, thank you
This was eye opening. Thank you for sharing. I’m subscribed to your channel and this is the first video that has come up on my home page from your channel in almost a year. I can only imagine that it is because it is so new and didn’t have a chance to be buried. Please keep creating art, the day we lose our artists is the day the world loses its spirit and soul.
Agree 100%.
Oh my, I feel every single word you said! As an artist on social media myself I am losing the fun of all of it... and for a long time now I have had the need to disappear from everywhere, stop sharing my art as well. I had the feeling of art becoming irrelevant for a long time... it makes me equally sad!
Thank you for all your hard work here I love everything you do and how you explain things to us. I am 71 and trying to learn from you daily please keep up the great work you do for all of us!
I hope not,art is one of those things that gives meaning to life
Same!
It's more than just that. This AI boom is part of a push from technocrats to replace god via transhumanism.
Art is life. We all look through a frame just like how we frame images on paper. The world is art and it will never die.
Hey man, please don’t be discouraged. You’re the kind of artist we need on RUclips right now. The state of things kind of sucks in social media but just know that what you do is appreciated by at least some of us!
Every time I thought the sketch was finished another touch was added that made it so much better. Appreciate the observations about RUclips and art as well as getting to watch your wonderful sketchbook work.
Well said. Happy to show my support for fellow artists. Keep doing what you do.
I've actually noticed this too, but not in the way most people have. Almost all of my subscriptions here are art related as that is my passion. Even looking at more direct terms such as looking for gouache painting or watercolour painting videos, your search will always turn up the same handful of videos most of the time, usually by artists I already watch, so finding anything actually new when DIRECTLY SEARCHING is restricted. It's nice to know it's not just me who's noticed this. I don't make content (yet) so I had no way to see the other trends you mentioned. I also get recommendations that have no actual relevance compared to anything else I've ever watched here, so I agree that some recommendations are literally just shoved down our throats for no reason. There is definitely a decline.
yeah I was looking for new art content creators recently and I can't find anything by searching.
This is so interesting! I wonder how to make our newer channels/videos more searchable?!
Search can be a pain, but every now and then though some new art channels have popped into my feed, but then again as said, youtube also recommends a lot of crap. Just need to keep cleaning them out that I am not interested. Would be nice to find some new art channels but it is a pain to try to wade though all the content, I’d want to use the time instead watching someone’s video 😅
@@Shoila EXACTLY. I wonder if that pain we go through in attempt to find things is on purpose to maybe get us to watch the crap that brings them more revenue? I'm with you though, keep clearing. It's my own little way to fight back. XD
That's alarming. Speaking from my own perspective as an extremely introverted artist (I have literally HUNDREDS of paintings that no one but my bh has EVER seen), I finally feel ready to reveal them to the world.....and it's too scary! Every time I look into social media to promote my art (I don't have an account ANYWHERE) it seems all doom and gloom and stuff that would stifle my creativity. I just don't know where to turn, what to do. So my art just keeps piling up.......and meanwhile my inner child is well and happy, just a little HUNGRY, you know?
Wow, it really is sad that artists and their art aren't more appreciated on RUclips. I love your videos and learn so much from them. You're an amazing artist and your work is very inspiring to me. I hope I can paint as well as you someday. Keep up the great work!
Makes sense
This is such an important point, thank you for covering this
I'm so glad you made a video on this. It's hard out here. I knew it had something to do with short-form content. So sad that attention-grabbing and instant gratification has taken over the art world on RUclips.
This is happening everywhere. My IG feed has totally changed and lots of stuff being thrown at me I have no interest in it. It isn't just Musk and twitter, it is everything. I find I am on these platforms less and less. This video was suggested to me and I almost didn't look at it as I am so TIRED of having scheiße shoved at me. But here I am and you are right. I don't understand it all (I am old) but it is frustrating. Other creators I follow have noticed this also and have asked us to test it by liking, commenting and recommending and voila, it changed. I don't have the time nor energy to be wading through the sea of garbage thrown at me. Many of the artists I follow haven't put a video up in months. I don't know the answer.
Ig completely fckd up many accounts last year when they made reels main content. My account never recovered from this. My reach dropped to 1/40th so I am practically invisible
Musk and twitter are the antithesis to all the other social media platforms. Musk spent so much money on it because there was a distinct lack of fairness and too much control over the thoughts of the people of the world through all social media platforms. It is also why there has been so much attacks against him and twitter since the deal. The powers that were controlling messages in social media lost control over the most influential platform... Twitter is about to release the twitter algorithm by the end of day tomorrow, to the public for scrutiny and for suggestions. They already have community notes implemented where people have already corrected lies in advertising on the platform and mistakes by Musk himself. The more trusted your notes are, the more priority your notes get, like the academic paper system or how google search used to work when it first started and is what made google search so useful in the past. Musk spends all his money on companies that have a mission to benefit humanity. He promises his shareholders the mission, not crazy profits, so his legal duty to shareholders is the mission, not profits, unlike most CEOs and their shareholders...
Portuguese pen and ink comic book artist here and yes we need more in depth art videos, they are so much work!! Yours are some of the best and your insight is also much appreciated!
Thank you for making this video and explaining. Recently, I asked myself why there was no art on my feed even though I I think I regularly click, or at least used to click, on our videos. The other day I typed in something like art, and I got a lot of tutorials or hacks, but much less of people just making art and inspiring me to do the same. How am I as a consumer even supposed to find videos in which creators make art even if I go look for them. It’s really unfortunate.
This video is so heartbreaking - it poses a frightening idea we’ve all borne witness to as of late.
Watching Alpay create these stunning pieces is such a tremendous joy; thank you for sharing your craft with us.
Here’s to hoping things get better.
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It really is.
Agreed, they are a total joy. Not only that but inspiring, entertaining and I find them very relaxing also. I'm going to make sure I always comment now on every art video I watch. I was unaware how important it is to do, and for then entertainment they give it's a small ask.
That's why they killed traditional 2D animation as a medium. They only allow pre approved styles that usually suck and are of low value to air on TV today. They clearly feel threatened by the 2D magic made in the further past. We only get the "cardboard" substitutes of style that's currently the zeitgeist on Cartoon Network.
RUclips is a lost cause. I'm afraid this sort of thing is only going to get worse over time.
It really makes me sad to hear all this, because art videos are among my favourites. i generally like watching creative people and their projects and how they made them. I really hope this will get fixed somehow. Or maybe we just need a new platform with a different algorithm...
You are a brilliant man. Thank you on behalf of all of us for fighting this battle!
It's so interesting that you say "there's no art communities". I have often felt that way. Watching Costubers and others type of creators on RUclips, I have often wondered why the art community doesn't band together in a similar fashion? I have kind of seen it start to happen around Leigh Ellexson which is great but for the most part, it's not a thing and it's really sad. I have started to gravitate towards in-person events because you HAVE to band together and be a community in order to make these events fun for everyone. It's been a nice change.
Anyway this was an amazingly done video. So many great things said.
The lack of art communities is a HUGE problem and nobody talks about it… but thanks for the kind words and I’m happy to hear that you enjoyed the video 😊
@@AlpayEfe @Rafiwashere has a good artist community and content.
This isn't a RUclips Problem, this is a social media platform.
As an artist, I feel like I need to rush and create work in order to keep up with the algorithm but if I take my time and slow down, my digital footprint gets buried by the winds of time. Instagram is tiktokifying itself so I had to change my content from still paintings to speed painting content. I think that social media is conditioning artists and making them more fixated on speed and maintaining attention. It's a toxic symbiotic relationship between the user and the programs.
Thank you for shedding light on this important topic. Your video really touched me!
Epic. And really well written. Needed saying, and the message is critical to artists and artlovers.
Gosh this hits close to home. I have a small channel, and I used to have a lot of fun making videos ... but when I look at the content that "successful" channels pump out, I know that I will never fit into that category. I just want to make pretty pictures and share the processes and the thoughts behind them to anyone who's interested. setting up clickbait titles, misleading thumbnails, and contrived content to chase a certain audience is not what I want! Sadly I find so many less videos of other artists these days too, I used to love creating my art while watching others create!
I haven't put up a video in a while.... bugger it, I'm going back to it, even if they do end up unwatched and I'm just shouting into a void! lol
Cassandra, it'd be lovely if you uploaded again (once in a while)! Your video on using the white Polychromos pencil was one of the most helpful and unique (!) tutorials out there. (I've watched a lot of art channels over the years, so please take it as a compliment that I remember that video is yours! 😅)
Yeah, your channel might not blow up because of a lack of flashy titles, but the artists who do watch you appreciate what you do, I'm sure. Also, it's a personality thing, right? We all prefer some creators over others because of a perceived connection, and small channels are such good places to go for conversation in the comment section. My channel is really small, but I am happy to read and reply to thoughtful comments, which is so much harder for the artists with big channels to do, and I see it in other small channels too. Anyway, just wanted to let you know your videos are appreciated and that having a small channel is also kinda cool. :)
I just subscribed if that will help encourage you to post again.
My attitude totally. I just want to share without all the commercialism. Shall look for your channel.
I feel you on this! I'm getting so much more non-art content in my recommendations and when I'm looking for our content I have to be very specific about the kind of art, ie watercolor or oil painting, digital, etc, if I really want to see traditional artists. I also noticed that I'm seeing a lot more old art content and I'm not getting sent to the channels newer content.
The older videos have more views and comments so they get recommended more and so they get more views and more comments... It is a huge problem. I watch a few "best of the worst" episodes and I want to watch more, but they keep recommending the same four episodes even though I have already seen them... Why not recommend other episodes from the same channel instead of the same videos that I have already seen? The view-count is all I can figure and then it reinforces its own stupidity.
Searching "art tutorial" yields slightly better results...
But I see your point! 🎨
This is the most inspiring video I’ve seen in very long time. I feel we have a mission as an artist to create a community and to empower others to create art. Thank you!
And as a new art content creator on RUclips, I can tell you that it's mentally challenging to stay motivated when the algorithm doesn't seem to be working in your favor. Even though I'm putting in a lot of effort to create high-quality content, I'm not getting the support and engagement that I need to grow my audience. It's not just RUclips, either; Instagram and TikTok are just as tough to crack.
It's hard not to feel like it's my fault, that my art isn't good enough, and that I need to change it to something that's more "junk" to suit the audience. But I couldn't stand the thought of compromising my artistic integrity to gain more views or followers.
Anyway, I'm one of your biggest fan, and great video as always!
i don't think you could have summed up my own thoughts more perfectly. it's so incredibly disheartening, and a little bit scary, isn't it? especially when you guilt trip yourself into "not posting enough" or "not creating enough" - and as you said, it's definitely not relegated to just one platform. which tells me that ALL of them are deprioritizing our content because it's not driving those impressions.
honestly, i think the best thing that we could possibly do is just try and remain as authentic and genuine as possible. stay away from the gimmicks and the trends, because if there's people liking and commenting on something i made solely because it's "trendy" those aren't the people i want to be engaging with long-term. i see so many accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers, and i really truly wonder how many of those people are *actually* engaged followers. i can't imagine that number is really representative of a genuine audience.
i want to reach more people, sure. but i don't want to reach passive people.
I resonate with you so much!
I feel like art has always been like that.. the process is rarely as interesting as the final product unless you are an artist or interested in art as well..
That's why instagram. Shorts. Tiktok . Etc are much better for it since you basically put the final product or very less of the boring(for a lot of people) process of constantly blending mixing etc.
@@d4nkdesu I actually love watching artists mix colours. It's very relaxing. Ppl would be far less anxious and chill if they stopped scrolling for instant results and slowed down to enjoy the process.
The unfortunate reality is that internet artists are a dime a dozen. It's obvious nobody cares.
As a RUclipsr myself, I can confirm that this is happening in other areas too. It’s very scary, as it seems that RUclips isn’t looking for real content anymore. But the biggest contradiction is that it wants longer video of about 10 minutes or more. Little details or empty content could be shown through the shorts. That way viewers won’t feel they are wasting time looking for quality content. I can’t understand the logic behind it 😔
Yeah I have a (different account) music channel and it is like climbing out of quick sand trying to grow. After 4 years we have given up and are just doing what we want in our time.
Thank you for painting Rachel. She has been my silver screen crush since forever ..
This was an amazing break down of what is happening. Even the people I am subscribed to I haven't been getting the notifications. Thank you for making this video. I hope something changes and thank you for the encouragement to create videos that are more than just the typical art videos.
I used to create for years especially in 2014, but I started to decline and lose my confidence and I couldn't figure out why.
Then all signs pointed back to social media. I had such a larger and more specific network just being physically at events or hanging out with other artists versus trying to develop some type of social media presence.
Everything pushed my way. Was fast away to do this. If you're not making $1,000 as an artist then you suck or all this other nonsense.
It took me to remove myself from social media for a year just to get back to a place where I even want to start creating again
You are perfect for voicing and sharing, thank you!
I learned a lot. Will stay subscribed, tune in often, and comment. Thanks for speaking up. This is so important
I’m totally agree with you, I’ve noticed the same stupidity when I tried to watch real Artists doing their work. Thank you for sharing your talent highly appreciated.
Personally I just feel that a lot of social platforms are slowly pushing their own agendas by having people think the same and not allowing anyone to think freely or be creative or different
Because they need you to mindlessly buy stuff, so many ads to keep buying things or purchase things or support things or whatever
I agree. You aren't wrong.
Definitely agree
you miss a point a bit, you need to generate mone, engagement means money, if this digital time killers could, then there will be most controversial/disgusting/..../engaging content. Engagemnent is ranting, arguind, offending any activity in commments. (yes, a few more metrics is used as subscriptions, likes, shares).
Only if some content can turn site into , so called, nazi bar , they consider to suppress such content (model when toxic people make normal people leave). Some nice descriptive examples are creation of universe, flat earth, conspiracy and similar. You get attention from both sides (people who agree and at the same time people ho do not), in some cases they start to argue with each other, what is time they are on your time killing platform (you fill it with advert pop ups / windows/ banners/ ....) and you know, that little ponny eating grass is not that thing which will keep people on your platform. Ok people are changing every minute, overloaded by BS you serve them, they are skipping videos after few minutes or seconds and creators which want say something know that and shorten their videos (which is how tik tok and you tube shorts started). Advertisers (as creators) knew this for a long time and compress their ads into 5sec skipping range (at least have version of their ad).
People are overhelmed every day by tons of (des)information and it is simple ecconomy. Every person has limited amount of attention. I can imagine (based on my own approach) how they are watching / reading somethnig and saying "OK! OK! , say that! When it will be, GO! GO! GO!" , because our fast hurrying society makes us inpatient, nonconcentrated and nervous. Then we are skipping, reading only titles and so.
This is a circle, some people can quit by returning to brick phones (as one of mine friends), other limit their presence in digital and so on. My case - I did not seen my wall (on some platform) and only each other day I check notifications from my subscriptions (and upsetly remove/tur off notifications recomended by platform). Even thou I am wasting time by trying to not see what I do not want. (yes, I am closing myself into digital bubble)
But it is not, it is so hard to explain why this happen without math, but beleive me, it is not somethign active. It is the emergent behavior of data correlation and the factthat the vast majority of humans are idiots with very simplistic tastes.
I'm adding a comment to push this further so more people can see it. Everything you talked about is what made me quit youtube, has made me stop posting much on Instagram and has even made me fairly depressed for a few years. It's inspiring to hear you talk about it though for some reason. I hope we can turn it around. I will do better to check up on the artists I follow to ensure they have more interactions. Thank you for making this video Alpay.
This is why I switched to Twitch, I can't talk with anyone on RUclips with so many comments drowning each other. On Twitch there may be only a 100 viewers per live stream but we all know each other! One streamer ends a stream and you go elsewhere and see your buddies talking there. It's crazy!
Hi Audra, I just want to reply to let you know that I watched every video you ever posted because I loved your work beyond belief! I appreciate every ounce of time you put into your art and videos and always loved that sneak peak into your studio. You inspired me to follow my love for painting and I find so much inspiration in your work. Social media has ruined the art community, and RUclips is one of the worst culprits. I miss your videos, but I fully support your decision to stop, I couldn’t do what you did everyday. But I hope you see this comment, and I hope it can at least give you a bit of joy to know one random person from the uk has followed your art since the beginning ❤️ I appreciate you and all the other artists who join me in my studio through video, painting alongside me and keeping me inspired!
Exceptionally thought provoking. Thank you!
The expression of this potrait of a woman, while in a vacuum is chill and relaxing does say something about the thing you've mentioned in this video. That dead stare and the uncertainty of her face gives it away 😬.
I used to watch so many fine art making videos... but yeah, I don't see them anymore even when I look for them. I remember getting frustrated at some more recent searches. I like using art videos to body double so I can actually work on things successfully.
Instagram actively hates photographers. Selfie of a bimbo reposting a Tiktok challenge? 10k likes. Photo of an ancient castle room with perfect lighting and pose? 20 likes. If you're lucky.
Hmm, noticed that with a lot of thumbnails ... those do seem to do a little better than a pic of perfect ancient castle.
People have different perspective about art.
But certainly have a same desire or libido on bimbo.
can attest to this
When someone wants to show interior of something, it has to be a video. It will then do well. There's a difference between a video and a photo. Type in cozy ambience into RUclips it gets alot of views
Would rather see a castle 😅
Took an afternoon of actively searching/seeking out painting and illustration videos before RUclips suggested this to us. Great video. Such a strange feeling to be so inspired and discouraged at the exact same time.
I’ve been frustrated with my feed for a while. I’m glad I saw this
I had to go out of my way to search for your channel after I saw this thumbnail the other day. I appreciate all the work you put into these videos. The camera work, the cuts, the music etc.
I feel like we often give way too much about algorithms, comments, likes, dislikes, impressions, views, etc. on our art. A lot of artists have kinda just forgotten
what it means to be an artist in the first place. It's not about the race towards the most likes or whatever, but about delivering our unique vision to the world within a visual medium, or discovering and just expressing ourselves through our art for our own sake. It's so much about the rat race nowadays, that the creative process and meaning behind it just takes a back seat.
@@ARTyHaG Ok, one thing: you have a lot of speed painting, speed sketches and whatnot - I no longer watch these. They bring in nothing, just show the process in such a speed no one can truly either enjoy the video or take out anything useful from it. Look at this video of Alpay - you can see the whole, long process of him putting paint to the paper, doing touch ups, colours. And this I can watch. I can see how he approaches his painting how he layers down the paint and pay attention to details. Your flickering speed drawings are just annoying, nothing else. Your Full Version Painting a Rose is much better - and much more enjoyable to watch. Even the music is much better and not so distractingly jumpy like in those speed paintings. There's a huge difference in those and I will watch the second one but not the first ones.
Yep. Exactly! Look at Bansky. So many people know of him because his art makes a statement. Its honestly really simple designs. Stencils.
Also, like Alpay said, its about the relationship you have with your audience. I mean people are literally paying for someone to talk to them these days. If you can figure out how to connect with your audience, then you will be more valuable.
Its still sad to know there's a lot of people out there that might enjoy your art but wont ever find it, because theres just way too much junk in the way for your stuff to be found.
@@NoxysPlace It is. :(
I just barely found this channel. Appreciate the video. This is the third video in a row I've watched and now I'm subscribed.
Thanks for putting into words what we've all been thinking.
Thank you for affirming what is really going on. Beautiful painting. ❤🎨
I had no idea how this all works. I watch a lot of more “fine art” videos without liking or commenting and that is going to change from now on. You create beautiful work! And to be honest, your accent is amazing - I really enjoy listening to you whilst you paint. Thanks for putting yourself and your videos out there.
Alpay has the most calming voice! Sometimes I rewatch (just listen) his videos when I’m working 🎨🖌️
Yes. Like and comment on those you want to support, it helps them.
Those you don't want to support do not, and leave the video before it ends.
There are three dots beside the titles/thumbnails of videos that RUclips's algorithm suggests to you. Tap the dots and you get the option to not have that creators videos suggested to you again.
It works and I have started to use it to filter the unwanted rubbish producers out of my feed.
That must really hurt their reputation with the algorithm. I see it as a way of fighting back to make RUclips more relevant to my wants.
I also recommend starting in your subscribed page before home page to make sure you catch videos from your people.
Well explained and insightful. Exactly the same thing has happened to Independants musicians like myself...thrown under the bus to the vast plethora of cheap and nasty 'Relaxation' music videos that all appear to be internally generated and are gaining views into the multi-millions. It's completely unethical and corrupt.
it's weird I got recommended this video from you. I watched a lot from you and then youtube stopped recommending your videos and I didn't realize it until now. I'm glad to have this recommended
This is an incredibly important video. Junk content and shorts are a direct response to the rising popularity of TikTok, I think. But, if I wanted TikTok style content I would use that app. I don't because time is precious and wasting it on that is just alien. I would like YT to implement a filter or an off switch so that them that do not want that can opt out of it. Alas, money wins I guess.
TikTok videos are a quick fix for people who are either multitasking, have a short attention span, or who are terrified of their own thoughts.
I just recently shut off the "shorts" widget on my front page with the dotted menu on the side. It seems to last 30 days, but I will probably use browser addons to delete it at this rate.
It’s not just RUclips I’m still mad to this day that Loving Vincent, the Animated Film made entirely with oil paintings, didn’t win not only best Animated Feature at all the major awards but Best Picture too
Yes, that's the most beautiful animation I've ever seen
how can i watch this film?
@@sadiemakesmesmile it's on RUclips for $2 or $3
Saw that in theaters. Stunning film.
I am so happy your videos showed up in my feed. I have enjoyed watching your work and listening to your thoughts on all the topics. I am an artist and a maker and creator and have shared your channel with my friends who now watch and follow you. Keep up the good work. You encourage me to do more art.
Thank you for sharing this video and bringing this to the table 😊
Thank you for sharing your perspective and opinion. It helps so much to hear even if you worried about coming across as a complainer. Artists are always told to suck it up, keep going, keep creating, fake it till they make it, and put on an air of success. Doing those things hurts all artists because everything then thinks it’s just them suffering or having a difficult time. Its comforting even if it’s sad that all artists are noticing and seeing this upsetting shift in art being suppressed by the algorithm for subpar gimmicky content. Artists need so many skills on top of just creating. They need to know business, marketing, video editing, copywriting, and now also be entertaining while being robotic content machines.
Making this video has drawn the art community together even more. Our best asset is that we are a community that thrives on helping each other. Im positive we will find ways around this, it might take several years but artists find a way to keep creating because it’s who are even if no one is watching.
I enjoy your videos. I find myself naturally checking your channel even if RUclips does NOT recommend something. I’m comfortable with the unfortunate evolution of RUclips not recommending things as I take it to be my responsibility to watch and seek out what I want. I appreciate you putting that montage at the end of this video with various artists. I know I paused to write down names to search out on RUclips. I’m also nearly 50 so I am not the typical short attention span viewer. Thank you for doing what you do. My wife and I very much enjoy your channel.
I did the same thing, paused and wrote down the creators I haven’t seen! Isn’t it interesting how different we middle aged people are in our approach to finding new content?! 😂😂
THANK YOU FOR MAKING SUCH CLEAR AND IMPORTANT VIDEO.
I just subscribed recently and your content is amazing. Including what you talk about, not only In this video but the other videos that I have binge-watched too. Every time you said something else I agreed with, I wanted to hit the like button, and then realize that I already liked the video. Thanks again and keep up the excellent work. It's inspiring.
I was thinking why I hadn’t seen a video of yours recently. It’s a breath of fresh air to finally see quality work on RUclips