Why the Villain of Eden was a Serpent
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I've studied this for a long time, and yet I am torn as to whether or not the Nachash in Genesis 3 is the same as Lucifer (Satan, The Adversary, who rebelled, etc.) who tempted Eve. Is it that Lucifer, HIMSELF, is a Nachash class of being or was it he, HIMSELF, who did the tempting/smooth-talking of Eve in the Garden, or is it that the Adversary/Lucifer/whatever "possessed" or somehow "coaxed" this "Serpent" (nachash) into tempting Eve. So, in essence, is it literally Satan who's doing the tempting, or is it a conspirator of Satan's who did the tempting FOR Satan? And if it's the latter, why would Lucifer do it that way, and not just do it himself? Your thoughts?
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I love Dr. Heiser's teachings. He really opened my eyes to a lot of things the modern church does not talk about. May he rest in peace.
Basically Eve knew it was a divine being and assumed that he meant no harm.
@@MysteriousApocalypseMan like moses who burned acacai til the tent was full of smoke? oh yeah you guys follow jesus who says ignore the propehts and God
@@michael.1517 its in the torah, that thing christains like to twist
@@michael.1517 it was satire but matthew 11 14 contradicts malachai 4 5, and dumdums like you will google an answere different from the 20 questions not knowing i read the prophecies you ignore
@@michael.1517 Leviticus chapter 6. exodus 30:1 the verse to shorten it for the lazy minded now go cry about moses being a shaman and jesus a false messiah
@@michael.1517 i dont sppeak autisktktkttkktkt
This is a fine complementary presentation to Heiser's lectures on this subject. Wonderful graphics, excellent narration. Thank you!
There is a reference to the snake crawling on the earth and eating the dust of the earth.
Over the years this has made me ponder what this meant;well a few years ago I found out that snakes tastes small particles of dust in the air every time they flick their tongues;they take these dust particles into your body to help them identify threats food surroundings and more they store the dust like a map for future reference. So they literally eat dust.
Maybe God did curse snakes. I mean I find it is pretty interesting and hard to believe that a writer thousands of years ago could have figured that out with just looking at a snake. It’s either that or all metaphorical of Satan, or both idk. I’m not God, I wasn’t there, so I can’t be a reliable source.
Imagine snakes with wings thats why it is called a dragon a seraphin...
Angels are part of the Unseen World which only God knows the secrets of...
The Serpent was not a snake. It was the Nachash, a Seraphim angel which was possessed by Lucifer who was a Cherubim. The Seraphs are upright walking and talking beings, not literal "snakes."
@@Rotisiv you can see angels...people in the bible did
Amazing video!
InspiringPhilosophy Oh, Michael, such a coincidence that we follow the same channel. How are you going?
@@awhimoke3262 rabbi tovia singer is shit.
Moschiach & nachash the hebrew words contain a numeral value of 358, messiah & serpent from these hebrew words both mean the exact same thing in gematria, messiah also means christos, what do you think you been worshipping the entire time when you we're always getting defensive over the baal sun worship christian theology made by man over nothing? The creator & our savior never associated themselves to christianity for a reason because of how it symbolized baal, the sun & the serpent, historians & bible scholars have been lying to us about everything. You're no better than satan & the evil within him if you attempt to conceal the truth about original christianity's pagan roots. You can't win against the creator with satan's christian religion you think you can by lying to everyone but you can't, you can't conceal the truth from the world with darkness. He'll judge you for your actions when you leave this world Michael. False prophets will never enter into the kingdom of the creator.
I'm glad to c more and more people stepping outside of the evangelical box. Dr. Heiser is with the bizness!
Bizness? Anthony, can you expand please? Thank you sir, Christopher
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@@christophecrist2171 hey Christophe forgive me, I wasn't doing a grammar police thing.
In comments I sometimes miss meanings, Anthony may have just been given the Dr. H some props.
My request for expanded thought was just me trying to find out if there was some slang I was unfamiliar with or some other meaning. I hope you understand it was not an attempt to start a throw down or just be a jerk. Thanks, greetings from the Midwest Christopher
I have wondered if the eating of dust refers to the destruction of mankind because Adam was made from the dust, snakes don't eat dust but the serpent destroys humans made of dust. Just a thought.
The only thing holding the dust together is God, The Truth, in the soul. Add a bit of deception(ego) to the mix and the dust comes apart.
Insightful
Adam and Eve
caroline graystone You're reading between the lines! Back off with the wacky tobaccy and read Genesis 1 - 3 again.
Yes, the dust refers to man. Satan is a man, not the cherubim.
"If you read Gilgamesh in high school..." but wait a second... they actually teach that in school?
They do
Beautiful. Heiser's book is going on my reading list.
A fresh new take on Biblical research! (at least for me).
Thanks so much Brother, loved it.
This is why it drives me NUTS when natural materialistic modern people say nonsense about the snake being an evolutionary symbol of predation. Like that doesn’t even make sense that Israelites would fear garden snakes above everything else never mind the fact that the snake symbolizes an angel.
That is easily one of the most interesting things I have ever listened to.
The Bible says he is the evil one. Why the world is like it is - this present evil age - with the knowledge of good and evil. I long for the new heavens and new earth - or the renewed earth. The new earth the home of righteousness. No more sin, rebellion and corruption. To have glorified bodies putting on incorruption. The earth covered with God’s glory.
Quite interesting Ben, excellent exegesis. Now, my questions are, when God said that the serpent was more crafty than any beast. If the serpent was Lucifer and not a disguise, if he showed himself as what he is, why is he compared to beasts? which beasts is God referring to?
And Gen 3:1 says "the serpent became cunning from all living (chay חית translated 'beasts') of the field made Yahweh God . . .." This excludes Satan from being the serpent because he was not a living being of the field made by Yahweh.
@@solitairecat1 Actually such a translation isn't inherent within the verse. InspiringPhilosphy actually has a video where he addresses this very objection:
1. Genesis 3A: The Serpent (Timestamp - 5 minutes 30 seconds)
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Saraphim remind me somewhat of dragons.
Exactly, they look reptiloid
Answers in Genesis thinks that they are pterosaurs.
It makes sense, given how the Devil was spoken to be the highest of all the angels and capable of deception in the most brilliant disguises.
I'm impressed. You've done a great job. You took what Heiser presented to us in 30 minutes, and explained it in half the time just as well.
Tell me, was this a project for an advanced degree?
I also dug around and found that serpent had the different meanings in Hebrew, one being divination. Definition of divination can mean "teacher of forbidden knowledge". And thats why I concluded it was used as serpent.
I also did some studying and it seems to me that all men and women from beginning to end of time was as one in Adam. before God placed Adam in the Garden he told him to be fruitful and multiply, and it was so. This was before the seperation of eve as well.
Meaning we all made the decision together as mankind to learn the knowledge of good and evil, Adam being all men and Eve all women together as one. Giving us all full accountability for our knowledge and punishment in this life. (Dying). Ive never heard this preached by anyone either. I read Genesis so many times b4 without understanding it the way I began to during that study in a camper that day alone. Tell me what u think about that.
From what Ive studied... Adam prounouced Adom means mankind....
@luis garcia Elohim with a Capital E in Hebrew translates into "He that is the Power over powers". The Angels are alot Like us in we are both a creation from The Most High or Elohim.
elohim small e, just means gods or powers. So angels played no part in creation. Also the word rib is actually more commonly translated as womb, and can even be translated in that verse as rib and womb, which is pretty amazing.
My Mom got a cat and just called it Kitten for a few years until one day she named it Fluff. Adam just called her Woman until Genesis 3:20 . . ." After this" Adam called his wife’s name Eve, "because" she had to become the mother of everyone living. . .
seems to me, to be
Jesse Clinton God told the sixth day creation to be fruitful and multiply. That’s all the races. Seventh day God rests. Eighth day He makes Adam. Then , later Eve. He does not tell them to be fruitful. He tests them. If they would of passed the test, God would have overshadowed Eve with His Spirit and Christ would of come through her and then eventually go be the savior to the sixth day creation. But Eve had sex with Satan, for he wanted to taint the seed, knowing Christ was to come through the genealogy of Adam. So, Gods backup plan was to follow the seed of Adam ( the tribe of Judah) and when an obedient couple came, overshadow her.( Mary and Joseph) they both are from the tribe of Judah. Hope this helped. Reread Genesis one and two. Peace be with you
Jesse Clinton don’t take my word, reread it. He never tells Adam and Eve to procreate
Well done!
I also made some studies on the subject, except that I don't have any book written.
First: lucifer it is not the name of anything like what we know as being Lucifer (the archangel, or cereb/Cherubim). Heilel ben Shahar (in short - the morning star), in the literal context of Isaiah, it refers to the king of Babylon. But lucifer is just a word, a calling (I think you should have make it clear), a Latin translation of the word heilel. Heilel ben Shahar can be translated in a few ways (we exclude the meaning of the word lucifer - light bringer). "Heilel" can be "helel" and "shahar" cand be "saharon". Heilel - refers to a bright/shining star. Helel - to shine, also to boast. Shahar - dawn, morning, east (can refer to the crescent moon). Saharon - moon or crescent moon. So, "Heilel ben Shahar" - Shining star son of Dawn or simply a shining star and the crescent moon (removing the word "son"/ben).
Now. If you read "The Epics of Baal", you will find that it can very well be what it's written in Isaiah (Heilel ben Shahar is Baal)(star and crescent being the symbol of Ba'al).
The other thing that I have find about "Cherubim"(kerubhim) or singular Cherub(kerubh): Caleb/Kaleb (used as a name) or keleb The Bible's common word for dog. Also, insn't it "keleb" the same with Cerberus/Kerberos? (this may very well be far-fetched)
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I think you mean the devil ?. There is a Lucifer, his name is Ea . Yet there is a Satan too. His name is Marduk. All of the Elohim are the devils !
Yes studying that one book really shows how much you don`t know about the subject ! Ken Harris !
Interesting, the symbol of Islam is also star and crescent moon. Any commonalities between Babylonian baal and Arab Islam?
@@emil_king8237 More commonalities are the Kaaba ! The Kaaba had 365 idols in it before Islam was founded by Muhammed. The last Idol in the Kaaba was Hubal. HU is a god from Egypt that personifies the spoken word. Then there is the Bal which is really Baal. Baal is Marduk Ra. Marduk may very well be Allah ! Although I have been told that title went to Nannar Suen !
Given that the Genesis narrative is closely tied to Mesopotamian mythology, it's not a stretch to connect the serpent of Eden (Nāḥāš - נחש) with the Sumerian deity Ningishzida whose symbol was that of a snake. A ruler of the underworld (the dust), he was also known as the "Lord of the Good Tree".
I've studied this for a long time, and yet I am torn as to whether or not the Nachash in Genesis 3 is the same as Lucifer (Satan, The Adversary, who rebelled, etc.) who tempted Eve. Is it that Lucifer, HIMSELF, is a Nachash class of being or was it he, HIMSELF, who did the tempting/smooth-talking of Eve in the Garden, or is it that the Adversary/Lucifer/whatever "possessed" or somehow "coaxed" this "Serpent" (nachash) into tempting Eve. So, in essence, is it literally Satan who's doing the tempting, or is it a conspirator of Satan's who did the tempting FOR Satan? And if it's the latter, why would Lucifer do it that way, and not just do it himself? Your thoughts?
I really dont think so.There is little similiarity between Ningishzida and Nachas aside from the fact that they are both serpentine and associated with earthen elements;their roles could not be more different.(Lord of the good tree in Ningishzida's case is more of the fact that he was associated with vegetation)
It is more reasonable to infer that both near east cultures venerated serpents as divine or semi-divine beings
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Very good video. Its a bit problematic that you refer to this being as "Lucifer" however, considering this association with the Roman deity was made very late, and only based on a single line from Isaiah in which he is applying a metaphor about the movement of the planet Venus aka the morning star ⭐(known to the Romans as Lucifer) to the king of Babylon's fall from grace.
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the dust thing is really interesting. I had been kicking around this idea, i had been listening to the bible project and some stuff like this came up, and i had in my head the thought that maybe he wasn't cast to his belly because he lost his feet, but if he was angelic than maybe he lost his wings. but this idea that the dust is attatched to the idea of the underworld is actually way more illuminating. this makes alot of sense, really fascinating.
Amazing, the best video I have seen explaining the snake. Congratulations from argentina.
Thank you, I loved this!
Please make more videos like this.
Fun fact: there is a 900 km Seraphim mudfossil in Morocco desert.
Well at the End of days that Serpent became a great red Dragon soooo.....
Yes it was a growing nature in him...
A dragon is simply a flying serpent..
@@Airdhem111 Evolved to hellish proportions.
I tremendously miss Dr Heiser. Most likely he's lining out the divine council, telling them how to do their job!
Micheal Heisner explains it good!👍
Well put! The best breakdown I've come across yet.
Almost right. My guess is the serpent could both walk and maybe fly and then was cursed to it's belly... but it's a guess.
Who's here after watching Lil Nas X Call me by your name? Satanic symbolism is so strong in popular music these days...
That was really good.
Leviathan is identified as Nachash.
Jewish legend says that there is an Angel named Rahab, angel of the Sea who rebelled
Essentially Dragons
I have a question, how is it a curse to tell a snake it will crawl on its belly? It already crawls on its belly.
I guess they used to have legs
If the villan was a serpent then why was it cursed to go on its belly?
Really nice summary of the topic 👌
loving the videos ben.
looking forward to the the upcoming video about creation days.
I'm glad you understand about the Devine Council
That was so good im going to listen again
Well done, extremely well researched and clearly presented. Showing the parallel scriptures helped show the complete message. Thanks for you effort.
*2:50** ALPHA-DRACONIANS!*
And I just realized cherubim and seraphim resemble UFO's. Flying, shining metal beings.
Very good we are getting close
if the evil ones can appear as a UFO, to lead people astray, in to false belief in space aliens, and no belief in cherubs and angels... Meanwhile, the angels, cherubs, spirits, God, gods. its all real and they are not space ships. That is the way non believers choose to imagine a description. why they can believe in green space men in UFO that can travel faster than the speed of light and go undetected by global defense... but they cant believe in angels and etc...
voidremoved I encourage you to read The Birth of Satan by T.J. Wray and Gregory Mobley. It is a summary of many scholarly works (cited in the book) that helps show the evolution of the serpent character in the Torah all the way to the English Christian belief in Satan. There are multiple tracks and influences from surrounding culture and earlier written works that have influenced these characters. In summary. An adversary that is the opposite of God did not exist until after the 1st century C.E.
Exactly, and what do ppl that have been abducted say ? They took fluids and such from or made women pregnant and then came and took the child. Sounds correct to me...
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You headed too far, there is no way those beings can turn into physical spacecrafts which literally took people for a ride across the universe. UFO's are physical but the aliens in them are a whole new dilemma. Also there are other much friendlier aliens that want nothing but peace with humans
Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 are talking about Adam and the Seraph who tempted him simultaneously. They’re both guilty of the same sin, it just manifested differently. They both have to participate in the rehabilitation process.
It’s like a parent catching two sons in the act while they’re doing something they shouldn’t, and you as the parent have to devise a method for them both to atone.
Phenomenal video. I have really been enjoying your intense treatment of the Hebrew and the Ancient Culture. I'm currently a Biblical Studies student in Seminary and you're driving me in the direction of an Old Testament Studies Ph.D. I do have a question for you though, how do you treat the beginning of Job then if the rebellion of Lucifer was in the Garden (if that is indeed what you are arguing)? In Job, the Accuser is still allowed access to the throne room with the Sons of God, yet Job, though written earlier than Genesis, came Chronologically later than Adam (barring a pre-adamic creation and humanity).
feathers and scales are just different modifications of the same anatomical feature ..hood of a cobra was also referred to as wings. serpent vs seraphim is comparable to naga vs Garuda
Dr Heiser is the best
The Book of Revelation describes four angelic beings near the throne of god, one having the face of a man, one being like a lion, another like an ox, and one like an eagle. So we see that there are angels with animalistic features around the throne in that book. Perhaps Satan belonged to this group in the past and he was the one that was like a serpent.
I also kind of wonder if this actually more of a case where the animals look like these angels, not the angels looking like the animals. I mean that the animals were made to look like these angels in order to honor them.
" Snake ", " serpent " and " dragon " are common titles for priests/kings in Mesopotamian literature. ........................smh, you guys need to hit the books
One of the subjects I love to study is ancient religion/mythology....I appreciate your research... this was very informative....I would like to add that we must understand that way before the scroll of Genesis was written,God in feminine form and the serpent were very popular symbols of religious belief....in some cultures,these ideas were also connected....I believe that the author of Genesis was directly trying to discredit these older beliefs...some of which originated in Egypt and other African cultures..
The Serpent was a Pharaoh...
his mythological form was a
wink at the Uraeus (rearing serpent) on the Pharaonic crown.
Seraphim is an anagramn for
Ph-r-s of Am(un).
I believe that approximately
translates to
"The highest house of Amun".
"House" = royal heiress
@@Highspergamy thanks
Interesting.
Interesting. I today came to the conclusion that the serpent was Lucifer using a real life Serpent in Leviathan. It was the crooked serpent who was the tool of satan to deceive eve. So the curse affected both the literal serpent and the spiritual serpent.
That's been my conclusion as well. The two worlds - spiritual and physical - effect and REflect each other, the spiritual being predominant and causative. What occurs in the spiritual realm will always effect the physical.
I've heard it was Osiris and Isis that we call Adam and Eve. Can anyone answer if you know or think you know??
What in the world i didnt thought that the ancient eastern scholarship can get this much so advance, i was so compelled.
I think the theory of the triple entendre is fascinating
😌..Great Vid! I'm officially a new subscriber👍
Isaiah talk about the seraph 3 times, they are winged flying snakes who burn without a doubt also call the dragon in the book of revelation
Accounts of these entities are found throughout all ancient texts both prior to & after the biblical accounts.
excellent video, great presentation of the material
I missed the connection with the day star from 1 Enoch to the serpent in Genesis 3:1… Most scholars do not connect these two entities.
This is a fine example of how looking at scripture in the original languages reveals a multi-dimensional meaning that we are oblivious to when reading it in English. That being said, Mr. Heiser does misinterpret a few things to support his conclusion that the villain of Eden was a serpent which I would like to draw your attention to.
I agree that the word serpent and brass are the same in Hebrew, however a person describing an angel as “like polished brass” in appearance doesn’t mean they are brass. Brass contains impurities/dross that will melt before God Ezek 22:18 - 22, who is a fire Daniel 7: 9 - 11, that we must be pure to stand before Zech 13:9.
The garden of Eden is NOT God’s holy mountain. God’s holy mountain is where Christ was installed as king Psalms 2:6, the holy city, Jerusalem, that comes down out of heaven from God after the final judgment Rev 20:11 - 15 & 21: 2 & 10. It is Zion where YHVH dwells on high, which is filled with justice and righteousness Isaiah 33:5. Eden, God’s garden (Hebrew gan) sounds like paradise, but a better word for it is enclosure. The Hebrew gan is from the verb ganan which means to cover, surround, defend. Eden is where we are tested by fire Joel 2:3, in the furnace of affliction Isaiah 48:10, which destroys 2/3, and 1/3 are refined as silver, tested as gold, and call on God and he will answer them Zech 13:8 & 9.
In Ezekiel 31, trees are used as an analogy for mighty ones who rule the earth. He describes one like Pharaoh in greatness v2, Assyria was a very high cedar tree with its top among the clouds, the waters made it grow and the deep made it high, that became haughty in its loftiness, and all the birds, beasts and great nations lived under its shade, the cedars in God’s enclosure could not match it, could not compare with its beauty, and all the trees of Eden in the garden of God were jealous of it v3 - 10. God gave into the hand of the mighty one, for his wickedness, driven him out v11, and all the trees were given over to death, to the earth beneath, among the sons of men, with those who go down to the pit v14. This aligns with Ezek 28: 1 to 10 and is referring to Adam when he was driven out of Eden in Gen 3:24, given into Satan’s hand, who became the ruler of the world John 12:31.
The ‘man’ (adam) created in God’s image in Genesis 1: 26 & 27 was both male and female, like the angels, like we will be if we are resurrected Matthew 22: 24 to 30. It was this male and female man (adam) that God formed from the dust of the ground, gave the breath of life, became a living being and was placed in the garden of Eden Gen 2:7 & 8. This is when the man became flesh, as Paul reveals in contrasting the first man Adam becoming a living being, with Christ, the last Adam, a life-giving spirit, the first man of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven in 1 Cor 15:45 & 47, revealing their opposite nature.
Adam is identified as a mighty one (Hebrew ish) in Gen 2:23, 3:6 & 16. In Strong’s Concordance, ‘ish’ #376, means “god, god-like one, mighty one”, but is translated mostly as ‘man’, ‘men’, or in this case ‘husband’. It becomes evident when we look at the Hebrew text, that ‘man’ (adam’s) and ‘mighty ones’ (ish’s) are not the same Jer 49:18, ‘ish’ lie and ‘adam’ repents Numbers 23:19, ‘ish’ language is evil Psalm 140:11, ‘ish’ devise mischief and give wicked counsel Ezek 11:2, ‘ish’ set up idols Ezek 8:11 & 14:3, and it is no coincidence that Adam and Cain were both ‘mighty ones’ (ish) and both had the ground cursed for murder in Gen 3 & 4.
Thus I conclude that Adam was the serpent who deceived Eve in the garden of Eden. As Paul stated “Since by a man came death, by a man came resurrection of the dead, for as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive” 1 Cor 15: 21 & 22. Jesus was born a male child Rev 12:5 to recoup rule of the earth that Adam had lost to Satan. Jesus, became a fiery serpent, that when lifted up healed the nations Numbers 21:8 & 9 & John 3:14.
Wow that's intense lol I'm gonna have to mow that over for awhile. Thanks for sharing 😊
The child of Eve to crush Lucifer’s head is the Lord Jesus Christ who restored the relationship between God and man.
Very well made video. Thank you
These are amazing
This was really interesting. Well done.
Newly subscribed. I like your presentations but have two visual quibbles….it is really hard to see yellow font on a white background and the font size is really smalL in some places. The slides are well laid out and visually interesting otherwise. Maybe it’s just me….
Great video
the egyptian word srf you have in 2:36 is actually warmth, inflamation, fever (Faulkner: Middle Egyptian Concise Dictionary). Serpent can be written in different other ways: hfAw, naw, Ddft, fnT, rkrk, sA-tA (son of the soil).
That was wonderful Ben thank you
for me, I think this exegesis is the most plausible than just a literal serpentine creature. I have read Heiser's book the "Unseen Realm" and I think he did really a great job compared to the traditional understanding and exegesis of Gen. 3 that we are accustomed to read by commentators, for they cannot justify why this figure is really a divine figure.
I've learned quite a bit from Heiser's divine council theology, but I'm perplexed that he thinks he is adding anything regarding Christianity's interpretation of Genesis 3. It's commonly accepted that the serpent was Satan (and not just a normal snake), and that the curse given to the serpent isn't just an explanation of why snakes crawl instead of walk. Isaiah 14 (obviously) and even Ezekiel 28 have been taught as showing the fallen-angel aspect of Satan, and of course John in Revelation explicitly tells us that Satan = the serpent.
Unfortunately Heiser confuses as frequently as he illuminates...in stressing the divine nature of the serpent he downplays (denies?) the physical, embodied aspect of the serpent. But the passage is incoherent without it. See Genesis 3:1, where the serpent is described as craftier than the other wild animals. Or v. 14 where he is cursed above all livestock. The serpent, who lives his life crawling on the ground and eating dust, is thus a picture of the curse given to Satan. Genesis 3 explicitly plays up the physical aspect of the serpent and this cannot be ignored.
gwilson314 it is my unfounded theory that if mankind were made in the image of God, the animals maybe were made in the image of the angels. not all angels look like the appearance of humans. even in many folklores all around the world, they talk about pagan gods with semblance to animals. I think Lucifer is of the reptilian snake image. the curse she brought to her own kind, made some of her kinds hated her. when Snake is the most hated animal on earth.
Mountains are symbols of the heavenly heirarchy man, thats just basics. And eden isn't some council place, its the state of union with God. And Satan is the accuser in Gods court because it is pride which causes people to not admit sin, especially when accused.
And this is why Belisarius was a general, not a theologian.
The Divine Council of Eden is a part of Theosis and a part of being in union with God. The saints and the Angels along with all believers in the 2nd Coming are brought into the Divine Council, which is "God's family" in a way.
You are so wrong. Its a literal pkace too.
@@jasonbourne6365 Not one single person in the history if Christianity insisted on that until the 19th Century. You know, when atheism started blooming? Learn your history and mend your ways.
That's a beautiful point. I suggest, could it be both? That very place where the union with God could easily turn into a place of council and courts when we've chosen what is outside of union?
The Aztecs worshipped many "Gods" and one of them was "Quetzalcóatl" which means "feathered serpent" and it was represented as a serpent with wings and also as a white bearded man , who taught them many skills like harvesting and building and who they were waiting for his return as it was prophesied by their ancestors and whom they mistakenly thought was the Spanish Conquerors because they resembled Quetzalcóatl's "human" form and that's why the Aztecs didn't attacked them when they first saw them. I find it interesting that this "feathered serpent" or Dragon appears in many ancient cultures, even the Chinese culture.
be wise like serpents and peaceful like doves-Jesus the blapsheme
Satan was a throne guardian, a seraphim, cherubim interchangeable.
Interesting view of the topic, know of Dr Michael Heiser and his view on Psalm 82, very presented video as this first I seen of this channel and I even seen a comment from IP a year old below. Allways test everything.
0:31 serpentine divine being? why would it be compared only to the beasts of the field in craftiness and not with other spirit beings?
Do you think that is why we find them every where 🐍 s in mexico china japan Greek Roman etc
Great video although I believe Gen 3:15 says "He will 'crush' your head", not "bruise" it.
So the serpent is essentially like a human apostate, hence the analogy to Ezek 28 with the king of Tyre. Neat!
What do know about the four headed beast in Ezekiel?
I see some parallel between Lucifer and Prometheus from Greek myth. Both figures who rebelled against the authorities and gave humans forbidden knowledge and were punished and cast down. In this case he gave humans fire.
yea, some argue that Is 14 and Ez 28 aren't referencing the Satan
So, here’s the bottom line. Finding Satan in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 is an excellent exercise in midrashic typology, but in terms of actual justification from the intent of the text, there is little that can be found. So, while it may well be that Satan fell because of pride, Isaiah 14 isn’t a reason to think so; and while it may be that he used to be in charge of music in heaven, Ezekiel 28 isn’t evidence of that.
I agree that the equation of "the Satan" with Isaiah 14's Lucifer was a move made by later Jewish theology. I've avoided mentioning Satan in this video for that reason.
pixels and papyrus So Lucifer and _the_ Satan of the Gospels and Revelations (which said the Eden serpent was Satan all along) aren't the same being? Satan is a generic term for Adversary though, so there were numerus Satans (Azrael for instance was probably the Satan of Job) and would include Lucifer.....would you kindly elaborate further in the future?
But if it is accepted that the Serpent of Eden is the shining one (which I think Heiser and Stanhope make a compelling case for) then surely that would count as evidence that they are one and the same.
no, their argument holds. It's just that there isn't one ha-satan (according to Heiser)
so the snake is correct, the verses are correct
but they are not one being, ha-satan
indeed STN is a verb root. it occurs twice in the torah, in num 22 where it is malak-yahweh, the angel of the lord, who is doing the sataning. this angel is a stand in for yahweh, and in hellenistic philosophy becomes the demiurge, "wisdom" (logos). some early second century jews thought their cult leader from the century prior was an incarnation of this wisdom.
We are the feet of god, to spread his word, and hold him up.
KJ, Prov25:2 "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, but the glory of kings is to search out a matter." Seminaries and pastors have built a box around themselves, fearing to search out God's concealed matter. In this, they fear being rejected by the others in that box. Thus, they fear man more than they fear God. Rev1:6 says we saved ones are kings, and we should be examining deeper hidden matter. But 2Tim3-7 describes today's (last days context) teachers; "...always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of truth." There is so much more in the Bible waiting for kings to find it. Come on! Get out of your box!
So When I saw your comment, I just couldnt help but challenge you with my favorite Bible mystery. Have fun! Mark 3:24-27; with emphasis on 3:26 and 3:27. Numbers 21:5-9. Luke 15:11-32. Those first three are the meat of the matter. But for full understanding you should also compare Malachi 4:5; Luke 1:17; Matthew 11:14. Now, the final piece is the most important, because if you have been taught bad doctrine you wont have even a chance of understanding. Compare Revelation 20:10 look at it in the interlinear on Bible Hub or check the Youngs Literal Translation or Berean Literal Bible. Leave a comment so I know if you are a king or not.
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Wonderful study, well done 👍
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Very well put if i must say
it represent him in God s throne as an amphibians
Worms literally eat dust, not snakes.
Here’s the problem with Heiser. The scriptures say that the serpent was an animal created by God. It only says that he was smarter than the other animals. And also the serpent didn’t lie about them knowing good and evil like God. Also God said that “In the DAY that you eat of it you will surely die.” They did not die that day
Yes they died, sin came to the world and the pay of sin is death. Its universal law. This law of sin was paíd later with the final sacrifice for sin, so after that humanity can achive forgivness of the death penalty and be granted with the original eternal life, this noot for they own effort but tru the sacrifice.
I wonder about taxonomy, if they would see snakes and worms as related. The worm eats dirt and us and is always an embodiment of death. In ancient thinking you could carry all the ideas of both without division
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Um....because the reformers wanted to deny their ancestral spirituality and get rid of the idea of Kundalini and woman power?
What disturbs me most is a talking snake
I wish I had four hands so I could give this video four thumbs up!
The serpent has a natural tendency to go deeper except for the Cobra who lift up his desire.
And then there’s the King of Babylon.
So good.
*hits blunt* .. *starts video*
Very creative presentation... 3 Cheers!