How Were THESE MANDALORIANS Defeated?

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  • Опубликовано: 5 ноя 2024

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  • @drdrip8630
    @drdrip8630 3 года назад +29

    Man Mandalorians are so cool in general, honestly i always love seeing them on screen

  • @tonger7018
    @tonger7018 3 года назад +6

    plot twist: when off screen, stormtroopers have insane plot armor

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад +3

      Haha it’s like a kid playing basketball that hits every 3 pointer in practice when the coach isn’t looking.

  • @JosephDawson1986
    @JosephDawson1986 3 года назад +9

    My theory has always been that the Death Troopers Moff Gideon has been working on. This was a trial run and being robots the could have easily aimed for soft spots with disruptor rifles. A disruptor is just a more powerful blaster and so its possible disruptor fire wouldnt harm the beskar but disintegrate the flesh beneath.

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад +1

      Disruptive rifles was my other theory. It was a hard toss up between the duchess and that. Thank you

    • @biggsdarklighter0473
      @biggsdarklighter0473 3 года назад

      Disruptor rifles were literally the only way mandalorians killed one another over the millenia.

  • @caydespliff181
    @caydespliff181 3 года назад +9

    something you probably thought of already, I just didn’t hear you mention it- this theory could also explain the armorers survival, despite the rest of the covert dying? there are other theories out there speculating as to whether or not “the armorer” is actually Rook Kast, and in my mind anyways, if the empire had at one point developed further versions of the Dutchess, Rook Kast would know about it, or atleast its’ possible existence? She could potentially have had time to take off her beskar, after hearing the approaching sound of the hypothetical* machine. Maybe she had fallen back to defend the forge, and therefore had no time to warn, or communicate with the other mandos. -Just where my mind went, there are probably holes in the theory. It sure is fun to speculate though! I’d love to see the armorers’ character be fleshed-out more in the next season(or two).

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад +2

      I like that! I do have a fan fiction video explaining how she is Rook Kast. I didn’t even think about her knowing of the Duchess. Thanks for pointing it out.

  • @maverick_cw
    @maverick_cw 3 года назад +10

    Apologies beforehand for the long winded comment (and Spoiler Warning in case some are behind on episodes)
    Some of the Mandalorians had to have survived - there were no (easily seen) small, child-sized helmets. Meaning some of The Covert most likely made it out - with the young foundlings that were seen running down the hall when Din was bringing the beskar to The Armorer. And (I believe) one of those survivors was Paz Vizsla (big bulky gatling gun Mando that tousled with Din; for those that didn't know his name), and I believe this because I've poured closely over moving frames, still frames and enlargements of that scene and none of the visible helmets in or around the pile are Paz's distinctive helmet (I might have a SLIGHT crush on Paz hence the worrying over his survival, lol). Also, respectfully, I don't think the Imps used Duchess... I think, more likely, it was Dark Troopers. A platoon of Dark Troopers (sent by Gideon upon finding out where his asset is and who has him) could overpower the remaining Mandalorians (Gideon said it himself to Din - Din had a heck of a time with just one Dark Trooper...imagine facing off against a whole platoon). Especially when said Mandos are mentally preoccupied with covering the escape of foundlings and their guardians. A platoon of Dark Troopers to swarm and seige the tunnels with a fire team or two of Stormtroopers following as clean up. Plus, the pile of armor and helmets was too purposely stacked - the pile was left as a warning to any Mandos that came looking into the fate of The Covert (more specifically, a warning to the Mandalorian that had the Moff's asset). Besides, if Duchess was used, it would have destabilized the beskar in the armor (also on this point, in this moment of SW history, beskar was a rare and hot commodity and not even many Mandalorians could hold enough for a full armor set - most Mandos were probably sporting Durasteel which would be unaffected by the Arc Pulse Generator) causing the armor to become weak and fragile like burnt cardboard, holding its shape right after being burned but easily crumbing to the touch {recall when Sabine tried to pick up a pauldron after Arc Pulse Generator was used against Clan Wren during the one civil war} to the point that when Din tried to lift the helmet, it would have crumbled to dust.
    Those are my thoughts and theories, what do you think?

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад +3

      I like it! Thank you! Dark troopers was my second option. Good for thought: Paz Viszla was played by Jon Favreau.

    • @biggsdarklighter0473
      @biggsdarklighter0473 3 года назад +1

      Not to Squash any hopes, but in legends children under 8 years of age didn't get their armor to avoid it being Redone 3 times over (because children grow). It is unknown Wether or not the children of the watch did Practice that belief since the moment they're adopted into the creed, no other living thing is supposed to see their face. And the duchess works by whitelisting stormtrooper (or plastoid) armor to avoid friendly fire, otherwise 99% of mandalorian armor would be safe since the armor composition varies from blacksmith to blacksmith and the amount of Beskar being available.

  • @wardlafferty362
    @wardlafferty362 3 года назад +13

    My thoughts exactly...I can also see Sabine dying by what she created.

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад +5

      Poetic Justice

    • @staroceans8677
      @staroceans8677 3 года назад +2

      As she should! How could she do that to her people? She's a traitor in the most heinous way.

    • @biggsdarklighter0473
      @biggsdarklighter0473 3 года назад

      One thing I'm currently thinking about:
      1. The data of the duchess targets Beskar. Couldn't a slight Change in armor composition lead to evading the duchess? After all, the metal composition changes from blacksmith to blacksmith
      2. I think I found my leak around the secrets of beskar: Sabine had to give up some data of Beskar, so the duchess could work. Why the Empire didn't use that data to identify potential Beskar sources beyond mandalore is that Beskar became obsolete with the introduction of the duchess. And thus wouldn't protect from friendly fire, if it was introduced in a larger scale.

    • @wardlafferty362
      @wardlafferty362 3 года назад

      @@biggsdarklighter0473 Sabine most likely gave up that info against her will....I wonder if Tora Doza's' flight suit was reforged from Sabine's armor.

    • @biggsdarklighter0473
      @biggsdarklighter0473 3 года назад

      @@wardlafferty362 She developed that weapon freely willed. Brainwashed, but of her own accord. She didn´t fear the backlash of the mandalorian people enough, and overestimated her familys position. remember, she was a banished mandalorian. and another assumption I made, was the machine in essential blacklisting what to destroy if it just whitelists stormtrooper armor, any armor besides stormtrooper armor is affected. So maybe the one leak I suspected was not the one I wanted.

  • @joshuabrown733
    @joshuabrown733 3 года назад +4

    Man the armorer has to be my favorite, albiet - mysterious character in the show so far. Is she a cult leader? Probably. Would I join that cult? Yes.

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад +1

      I’m with you! I’d follow her before Bo-Katan

  • @edi.1399
    @edi.1399 3 года назад +9

    This fills the gap perfectly and I mean PERFECTLY like what happened there since wouldn’t we see dead bodies since she couldn’t have put them above ground so yeah!

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад +3

      Thanks! I thought of this after that episode aired and wanted to do this video but other things got in the way.

    • @edi.1399
      @edi.1399 3 года назад +2

      @@TheOuterRim_G yeah better do it now though since this is amazing and since your a pro at this now better to do a good idea with good quality!!

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад +1

      Thanks! I was thinking of going back and modernizing some of my old videos.

    • @edi.1399
      @edi.1399 3 года назад +1

      Star Wars Fanatic yeah maybe you should that sounds like a good idea and maybe some pipe will think there new vids and love them!

    • @edi.1399
      @edi.1399 3 года назад +1

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  • @williamgilbert6621
    @williamgilbert6621 3 года назад +5

    I think it more likely that it was the first use of the Dark Troopers. Hand to hand combat focussing on human joints would've had the same result, and it would definitely be a Gideon type "first combat test" situation of the droids...

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад +2

      This could be but Din took down a Dark Trooper. Surely all those Mandos would have taken out a few. There were no remnants of anything imperial and I didn’t see any blaster marks in walls from missed shots.

    • @williamgilbert6621
      @williamgilbert6621 3 года назад +2

      @@TheOuterRim_G only with the beskar spear, and he's presumably one of the best, if not the best, combatants that the Covert had. All of his other weapons had been ineffective until then, and he was being physically bodied by the droid.
      As an aside, even if the Covert fighters had managed to take a few droids with them, they'd have still lost, and the deactivated droids would have been collected by the Remnant for repair and deny the enemy of intel. :)

  • @_Korben_Dallas_
    @_Korben_Dallas_ 3 года назад +3

    Your theory is more than likely the most probable. My theory: the armorer may value beskar more than the children of the watch. Rather than seeing the mandalorian armor go to the empire, the cult leader ( the armorer )asked them to take their own lives, thinking that her clan was not large enough in numbers and stood no chance against the empire. I do believe the armorer may end up a villain in the end. But hey, anyone's guess. As always, love the stories!

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад +1

      I’d love to see her return as a villain. That would make the theory that she is Rook Kast even better.

    • @_Korben_Dallas_
      @_Korben_Dallas_ 3 года назад

      @@TheOuterRim_G wether our theories are right or wrong. Im right with you, i do also believe that she is Rook Kast.

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад +1

      Here’s to our own canon! Cheers

    • @_Korben_Dallas_
      @_Korben_Dallas_ 3 года назад

      @@TheOuterRim_G 🍻

    • @biggsdarklighter0473
      @biggsdarklighter0473 3 года назад +1

      Well, she has a point, if she sees humans as expendable. Beskar is more finite then recruits in the galaxy.

  • @ItsBocephus
    @ItsBocephus 3 года назад

    Sometimes your theories can be a little out there, but I like that it’s different from a lot of the other Star Wars content out there. Instead of treading the same ground, you talk about things I’ve never heard of/considered before. Keep it up!

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад

      Thank you! I’ll take that as a compliment.

    • @ItsBocephus
      @ItsBocephus 3 года назад

      @@TheOuterRim_G you should!

  • @joshuabrown733
    @joshuabrown733 3 года назад

    I was thinking flamethrower troopers, but it would take like 50 of em to take out a single mando. I think your right, the dutches it is.

  • @lel0uchvibritannia981
    @lel0uchvibritannia981 3 года назад +3

    Palpatine did order for a second Death Star before the first one was even destroyed, so it makes sense he would have funded more on the Duchess

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад

      Yeah the Death Star projects are what made me think of this. He was building the first Death Star without having the focus laser technology, then they figured it out. Duplicates of the Duchess could have been made and figured out over time as well. Just a theory.

    • @lel0uchvibritannia981
      @lel0uchvibritannia981 3 года назад +1

      @@TheOuterRim_G If they do bring back the Duchess in the form of new models, I hope they name the newer models differently, but follow a pattern of royal female titles, such as the Queen, the Empress, the Baroness, the Countess, etc

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад

      @@lel0uchvibritannia981 ooooohhh I really like that! I could see them doing that rather than a generic name like Death Star or Starkiller. Or even Star destroyer.

  • @ARVETDEG
    @ARVETDEG 3 года назад

    I think another great possibility would be the Dark Troopers. Remeber that Din had problems with one, and unlike him, the other Mandalorians had no beskar spear or lightsaber. So that's a big possibility too.

  • @azrielnicholson2459
    @azrielnicholson2459 3 года назад +1

    The funny thing about this for me as much as I love this theory, if Grogu and Din were still in the covert, it would've killed Grogu as well since he has the Mythosaur necklace

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад

      But the Empire didn’t know about the necklace.

    • @biggsdarklighter0473
      @biggsdarklighter0473 3 года назад

      There is a difference between wearing a necklace and being clad in armor. So even if grogu wore a necklace, it wouldn't transmit energy on the same scale to grogu as to a mandalorian clad in Beskar armor. It would at worst lead to local heavy burns, till the Beskar gives out.

  • @mattd2026
    @mattd2026 3 года назад +1

    Thank you Sabine wren

  • @dashabordelon7793
    @dashabordelon7793 3 года назад +3

    Oya Manda!

  • @TheHawkeye0725
    @TheHawkeye0725 3 года назад

    I have been wondering that for a while ......I just presumed they were overwhelmed. I mean 1 mando is worth a platoon of soldiers. But since Gideon has numbers and the dark troopers, I figured even that would be much.

  • @gi.an_m9525
    @gi.an_m9525 3 года назад +1

    Im really hoping we see paz again. Really am, great video

  • @eaglessixersfankeepingitre3247

    One flaw, the Dutches just don't incinerate flesh, it destroys the Beskar too, which means the Armorer wouldn't be able to rework the Beskar.

    • @UltimateSpinjitzuDestroyer
      @UltimateSpinjitzuDestroyer Год назад

      What if. And I mean this is a big what if. But what if the armourer is the spy from the new mandalorian episode? This would explain why all these mandos were defeated. But personally I dont beleive that i think shes either a past maulorian or a zebrak

  • @lamajigmeg
    @lamajigmeg 3 года назад

    Well said young Jedi

  • @phorz85
    @phorz85 3 года назад +1

    Even though it makes sense for an obvious reason,but the continued existence of the dutchess as a pure theory wouldn't b my favorite option.Better sticking to something that so far is confirmed existing within the mandalorian story already.That of course r the dark troopers.There is a big detail speaking for that.That's the pile of beskar left behind.The dutchess would've had a human operator plus back up man,probably.Those certainly would've been ordered to collect all remaining armor pieces instandly.So that task was either ignored or later scheduled.I would imagine this went down:Most likely a small squad dark troopers would've been sent in to clean the place,wich thought to have 'em all n were called back,emidiedly due to their limited amount of nrg.The 5 storm troopers came back to secure the location n collect the goods,where they surprisingly met mrs.unfinished buizz,n died.

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад

      The only issue I have with the dark troopers theory is why weren’t they sent in to collect the child afterwards? Instead they sent regulars in. It proved effective when they finally did abduct Grogu and certainly would have worked in the sewers.

    • @phorz85
      @phorz85 3 года назад

      I guess that he wasn't the objective.The mission was purging the mandalorian cell of navarro.Not sure about the timing,either the scouttroopers had him already,or if they've lost him by that time,clan mud horn n co r under siege in the house from wich they enter the tunnels again.If so,guideon simply thought he wouldn't need'em,classic case of hybriss hitting hard.No-the main probl. i haven't given attention is if the darkt troopers were battle ready back than.Was hard to tell if they were just lately added as plot point or if there was an actual reason for it.But i couldn't remember to've gotten such reason,so it was a thing that theoreticly was a possibility vs a thing that is taken out of the cards for fact n would b a theory as well,if rebuilt.-but there is an other reason not to go with the dutchess wich is far more important n more generally- u just had the dutchess in use,not long ago.If u see ur fillertheories as one big plot,it would feel more interesting to go with something else,doesn't it? How ever,i'm exited 4 the next gap to b filled,keep going.I really enjoy that stuff a lot.Also good to discuss fandom stuff like supposed to,n get a brake of star wokes n their backlash ;)

  • @bradwhite5884
    @bradwhite5884 3 года назад

    Maybe this is a type of Dutchess that does not turn armour into dust but more disturbing and brutal way like against organic matter, maybe surviving members of Clan Saxon are working with the Empire and Gideon, maybe they assisted him in the purge or were close to him, love to see Gar Saxon's remaining family such as his wife and children seeking revenge on the ones who killed him, maybe went after clan Wren and took revenge on them killing their leader or something and Sabine and maybe get brother are the only ones left, maybe few more survived other then just them, maybe started her own clan calling something like Clan Dume or something like that, who knows tbh
    Also, I love to explore the Mandolarian time period around before TPM up to AotC movies, I love a new animated series that takes place between episode 1 and 2 kinda like clone wars but explore more with different perspective and following different characters throughout the series, so yeah
    Also, like to see Mandolarians in the sequel era as well as explore the children of such and children of Boba Fett and the bounty hunters too, so yeah

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад

      Id love to see all of this! Boba Fett having his own legacy just like Legends? Amazing stuff!

    • @biggsdarklighter0473
      @biggsdarklighter0473 3 года назад

      The duchess is just a disruptor rifle on two legs,
      Change my mind

  • @danieldoughty1915
    @danieldoughty1915 3 года назад +1

    I wonder how the Mandalorians who joined the Empire felt after the purge?

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад

      Like Gar Saxon’s Supercommando squad? I know he was killed but they continued. I’d like to know that too.

    • @danieldoughty1915
      @danieldoughty1915 3 года назад +1

      @@TheOuterRim_G Yeah, exactly! I wonder if some would turn against their fellow imperials: kinda like when Bo Katan turned against the Death Watch after Darth Maul took over.

  • @DARTHKNOWS76
    @DARTHKNOWS76 3 года назад +1

    Easy They used “ The Duchess” weapon on them . If you sons know what that is : Designed by rebel and former Imperial cadet Sabine Wren, the Duchess is a devastating Imperial weapon. It targets Mandalorian armor, superheating it and instantly vaporizing the target.

  • @rhettburgess8753
    @rhettburgess8753 3 года назад

    Great theory!!! I hope the machine gunner Vizsla got away!!!

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад

      Thank you and I hope he made it out as well.

  • @Metz__
    @Metz__ 3 года назад

    35 seconds in so don’t quote me. I think they called in the dark troopers to help take them out

  • @bjrnhalfhand2258
    @bjrnhalfhand2258 3 года назад

    I have a hard time believing Stormies took down that many Mandalorians. Their history of effectiveness in Star Wars has always been spotty at best. They did a good job of gunning down no named rebels in ANH, TESB and Rogue One but The Mandalorian series has particularly shown them to be horribly incompetent (like the Rebels series did).
    Hopefully this point will be picked up in a later season of The Mandalorian and explained.
    Maybe a new version of The Duchess or the entire platoon of Dark Troopers.

  • @dvslord
    @dvslord 3 года назад

    Great theory!!

  • @bobbymariani2839
    @bobbymariani2839 3 года назад

    Great video bro 🔥

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад +1

      Thank you!

    • @bobbymariani2839
      @bobbymariani2839 3 года назад

      @@TheOuterRim_G Yessir!! You've become my 2nd favorite SW channel on RUclips now! Thank you for the content my dude!

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад +1

      @@bobbymariani2839 that’s a huge honor! There are so many great Star Wars RUclips channels. Who is your first favorite, if I may ask?

    • @bobbymariani2839
      @bobbymariani2839 3 года назад

      SW Theory. Been watching his channel for years. I absolutely HATE that Den of Nerds dude, so whiney and annoying 😆 and I do enjoy a few others as well.

    • @bobbymariani2839
      @bobbymariani2839 3 года назад

      @@TheOuterRim_G I really enjoy you're channel for the content. You're writing is top notch and your delivery, pitch, and tone of voice when storytelling is perfect. Good background music and decent effects.

  • @EthanFrowen
    @EthanFrowen 3 года назад

    Epic video bud

  • @Kontakt13
    @Kontakt13 3 года назад

    This just seems like a major oversight and or plot hole. They've shown us in subsequent episodes that Din Jarring fully armoured is a tank, nearly unkillable . Even Cobb Vanth playing Boba cos play deflected a blaster bolt no issues.

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад +1

      At least to me, that’s why the Duchess makes sense.

    • @Kontakt13
      @Kontakt13 3 года назад

      @@TheOuterRim_G I agree, mate. I think we may find Paz Vizla holed up somewhere harbouring a horror story about how the covert was melted by a super weapon of some sort.

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад +2

      And the armorer is on the hunt for her covert...

  • @MrProp16
    @MrProp16 3 года назад

    Be fun if the Mandalorians destroyed the Imperial base on Nevarro instead of being wiped out

  • @harleychg
    @harleychg 3 года назад

    i thought that they all left the clan and gave up the Mandalorian way by removing there armour

  • @deadric4785
    @deadric4785 3 года назад

    Or the could it be as simple as moff gideon used his death troopers to wipe them out after he found out din was a member of that covert?

    • @TheOuterRim_G
      @TheOuterRim_G  3 года назад

      Maybe but Wouldn’t there be blaster marks on the walls? Bodies? Trooper armor? A blind guy took some out in rogue one. Wouldn’t a covert of mandalorians take them out pretty easily?

    • @mattd2026
      @mattd2026 3 года назад

      Death troopers r ez claps

  • @knutthenerd
    @knutthenerd 3 года назад

    They died a warriors death