Consciousness Maps Reality as a Story
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- Опубликовано: 16 апр 2024
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When I turned 30 I began to tell a story to myself and it became chapters of a novel, I have never quite finished. In it was a road map to my spiritual, emotional, psychological, and intellectual growth this lifetime. It truly had prophecies (predictions?) in it on the events of my life - chapters I wrote in the late 1970s and early 1980s are very similar to what has happened to me in my later life.. It amazes me, sometimes, how clear a story of my life it really is... oh, it is set on an imaginary world, characters, setting, culture.... but it shows me what my challenges are, who and what are the foes, what i can do to grow wiser.. where the truth of my soul, really lies. It holds the truth of who and what I really am. I believe that my soul is telling it's story (history) to me, the ego. I believe in reincarnation and consider myself a Christian Gnostic. It is telling me how to proceed to more growth on all levels. I think we all have an inner story, the soul's story, if we seriously and carefully open our inner ears to hear the voice, within, we can see our lives as full of meaning and purpose.
Snap. I also have such a story like yours which has been a prophetic map for me. 'The Song of the Mapmaker' on Kindle.
Gnosticism is a heresy.
Yes, the story we tell ourselves. Yours is the 'soul's story'. Have you considered writing it down as a book? Brainstorming a possible title (and subtitle): "My Soul Journey" Lessons of Experience and Transformation.
Any advice on how to do so?
i kinda get it, i woke up at my 28s and my story just started then, crazy things happen in my life and i can somehow predict them and shape my life better, idk how to explain whats going on :D
If God is all knowing, then at every moment of our day we burden God with our story. So please, tell God a good tale of a hero who overcomes all the challenges thrown their way and manages to improve themselves and the world. ❤
Amen
That is why Christ was born among humankind, to save them from MYTHS and FALLACIES-which created BAD RESULTS of their "sins."
He is limitless
Or at least make it a fun ride
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10+ years I listen to JP & I'm most impressed of his modesty of still learning from others! Being such a great intellectual person could easily say I know more & that's it, but he expands his perception constantly through others thus proving to all of us our unlimited potential of self growth & "telling" us we can always grow our self worth as a result~ The perfect example of teaching others by example! Thank you JB for being just you!!
Neville Goddard says to sin is to miss the mark, meaning not achieving your goals. Staying on your own path is a challenge in this age of technology ❤
Oh. I feel that one. Raising kids it's an even heavier one in this age.
Which just goes to show that Robin Hood was a pious man. But then the story of Robin Hood and his band of outlaws is just a re-working of the story of Christ and his band of followers.
But wait...how can outlaws, which are little shy of agents of chaos, be considered pious?
I’ve just finished a video about the importance of stories, and how they shape us and our perceptions, for my own channel..
So this is a very timely upload from yourself, Dr Peterson. This has helped to shed further light on my understanding of this topic, thank you!
I am a physicist and I will explain why our scientific knowledge refutes the idea that consciousness is generated by the brain and that the origin of our mental experiences is physical/biological .
My argument proves that the fragmentary structure of brain processes implies that brain processes are not a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness, which existence implies the existence in us of an indivisible unphysical element, which is usually called soul or spirit (in my youtube channel you can find a video with more detailed explanations). I also argue that all emergent properties are subjective cognitive contructs used to approximately describe underlying physical processes, and that these descriptions refer only to mind-dependent entities. Consciousness, being implied by these cognitive contructs, cannot itself be an emergent property.
Preliminary considerations: the concept of set refers to something that has an intrinsically conceptual and subjective nature and implies the arbitrary choice of determining which elements are to be included in the set; what exists objectively are only the single elements. In fact, when we define a set, it is like drawing an imaginary line that separates some elements from all the other elements; obviously this imaginary line does not exist physically, independently of our mind, and therefore any set is just an abstract idea, a cognitive construct and not a physical entity and so are all its properties. Similar considerations can be made for a sequence of elementary processes; sequence is a subjective and abstract concept.
Mental experience is a precondition for the existence of subjectivity/arbitrariness and cognitive constructs, therefore mental experience cannot itself be a cognitive construct; obviously we can conceive the concept of consciousness, but the concept of consciousness is not actual consciousness.
(With the word consciousness I do not refer to self-awareness, but to the property of being conscious= having a mental experiences such as sensations, emotions, thoughts, memories and even dreams).
From the above considerations it follows that only indivisible elements may exist objectively and independently of consciousness, and consequently the only logically coherent and significant statement is that consciousness exists as a property of an indivisible element. Furthermore, this indivisible entity must interact globally with brain processes because we know that there is a correlation between brain processes and consciousness. This indivisible entity is not physical, since according to the laws of physics, there is no physical entity with such properties; therefore this indivisible entity can be identified with what is traditionally called soul or spirit. The soul is the missing element that interprets globally the distinct elementary physical processes occurring at separate points in the brain as a unified mental experience.
Some clarifications.
The brain doesn't objectively and physically exist as a mind-independent entity since we create the concept of the brain by separating an arbitrarily chosen group of quantum particles from everything else. This separation is not done on the basis of the laws of physics, but using addictional subjective criteria, independent of the laws of physics; actually there is a continuous exchange of molecules with the blood and when and how such molecules start and stop being part of the brain is decided arbitrarily. Brain processes consist of many parallel sequences of ordinary elementary physical processes occurring at separate points. There is no direct connection between the separate points in the brain and such connections are just a subjective abstractions used to approximately describe sequences of many distinct physical processes. Indeed, considering consciousness as a property of an entire sequence of elementary processes implies the arbitrary definition of the entire sequence; the entire sequence as a whole (and therefore every function/property/capacity attributed to the brain) is a subjective abstraction that does not refer to any mind-independendent reality.
Physicalism/naturalism is based on the belief that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. However, an emergent property is defined as a property that is possessed by a set of elements that its individual components do not possess; my arguments prove that this definition implies that emergent properties are only subjective cognitive constructs and therefore, consciousness cannot be an emergent property.
Actually, all the alleged emergent properties are just simplified and approximate descriptions or subjective/arbitrary classifications of underlying physical processes or properties, which are described directly by the fundamental laws of physics alone, without involving any emergent properties (arbitrariness/subjectivity is involved when more than one option is possible; in this case, more than one possible description). An approximate description is only an abstract idea, and no actual entity exists per se corresponding to that approximate description, simply because an actual entity is exactly what it is and not an approximation of itself. What physically exists are the underlying physical processes. Emergence is nothing more than a cognitive construct that is applied to physical phenomena, and cognition itself can only come from a mind; thus emergence can never explain mental experience as, by itself, it implies mental experience.
My approach is scientific and is based on our scientific knowledge of the physical processes that occur in the brain; my arguments prove that such scientific knowledge excludes the possibility that the physical processes that occur in the brain could be a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness.
Marco Biagini
I didn’t read what you said but here’s what I think: Consciousness is experienced in the pineal gland, but at the surface level of this reality, you are experiencing the brain’s processes. When your consciousness moves from the workings of the mind to the infinity of space that is directly accessible with the pineal gland, you realise that human life and consciousness is like a pocket in space that we enter. So essentially what I’m saying is that the pineal gland is not a portal, but that it is essentially a sort of hole in the quantum dimension that we enter through as pure consciousness in order to have this experience. So in essence, our spirit consciousness has taken a sort of back seat to allow itself to fully experience the brain. The more conscious you are, the more your spirit is at work. The more “in a program” you are in how you behave, act or think, the more your soul is asleep. So anyway, I actually made this up just now. What do you think?
I did read your thesis, and i believe it to be a work of art.
I had to read some sections more than once because its a lot to take in, while continueing to read. You know how the mind has a mind of its own, or does what it pleases.
Trying to sequence these thought processes while reading was a challenge. I can't imagine how much time you donated to this project. I would love to hear what JP thinks of this work.
I'm not in your class, but i believe i have a rudimentary understanding of your thesis.
I agree with you, in spite of the fact that what i think is inconsequential in this thought process.
It will be interesting to see the response of trolls, I apologize for them ahead of time, they can be brutal beyond the pale, believing in their power based on ignorance.
I have always been interested in the relationship between the soul and spirit. I'm starting to believe that the spirit is like the smoke emanating from the fire of the soul, or the physical representation of the soul in the spirit realm.
So you believe that the soul is our direct link to the consciousness, and is a tiny portion of consciousness.
and is directed by our brain, or vise versa ? Or are they compelled to work together ? Who is in charge ? or is it determined on an individual basis ?
Brilliant Work !
Stories, good stories, are the structural building blocks of what shapes our reality, manifested through consciousness 🤔
They don’t have to be good stories though. And that’s part of the problem; there are many ‘bad’ stories, and there are people out there letting those bad stories shape their own reality.
@@ridethelapras that's where we're at right now, with everything that's been going on. And it's affecting us all.
Don’t forget Ingo Swan’s claims that humans have as many as 27-30 senses,rather than just the 5 we are trained to acknowledge. Reality can be pretty overwhelming, if you think about it.
In my opinion as a 16 year old i dont think it 100 % matters if a story is real mentally im sure there are reasons but i think the impact it has matters take for example parables in the bible, not all of them are real I HAVE HEARD IDK but they still had lots of positive impact
So what you mean by real. Those stories are more than real, ultrareal, they speak of truth that is beyond matter, beyond the boundaries of individual, even if they might not have happened in the sense that you may be thinking of real. But that is diferent from a false story that has no truth in it. In a sense we are handicapped and not able to see things clearly so we rely mostly on stories to try to grasp what is beyond reach.
You will inevitably reach a point that you have to contemplate your way to conduct your life and thought properly in order not to mess up your life. All the stories, meta ones, are distilled and you need time to really understand it. Life is simple and complex at the same time, like those stories you read before.
Just bought tickets to Norfolk on June 3rd! Can’t wait!
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Your insightful wisdom is admirable, thank you for helping me learn more about me and the world outside.
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Now, as in the "present", it is literally a "pre-sent" moment from our perspective. What is interesting, is that our brain creates a story that our mind uses to make decisions about the future(the actual now) and not the pre-sent moment we exist in. Our mind exists slightly ahead of our brain in the predicted moment of now and I believe this to be the beginning of the story you are discussing.
I’ve spent a lot of time listening to Jordan Peterson saying he spent a lot of time thinking about various subjects.
2 Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning and yet never coming to the knowledge of the truth"
That’s one way of looking at it. But I also think God often uses people he loves who aren’t necessarily known for fully embracing and understanding ideas or religions we value to show us just how little we know about making our own best arguments and defenses of/in what we profess to believe. I think Jordan cares deeply about the empirical case for the divine, and probably has more “fear of God” than many of today’s “casual Christians”. I think the stories of who God is and Christ was shakes him to his core, and it ought to be shaking even more of us as well in this God-forsaken post-modern age. God goes deep, and so does JBP. I say, God bless him! 🙏
Yes, God certainly can use anyone and I agree he seems to have more reverence for God than many Christians. My prayer for him is that he comes to Christ simply and with his heart, not his head. We can know all about a person without actually knowing them and it takes surrendering our will/mind to Him in order to receive His Holy Spirit, Who then opens our minds to the truth since He is the Spirit of Truth. The Bible says it is impossible for the carnal mind to understand that which is spiritual, and so we must be born again. God loves JP and is patient... when He wants to make a squash He takes six months and when He wants to make an oak He takes a hundred years. 🤗
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Much love to You and Your family ! So many people's lives are better thanks to Your wisdom and goodness.
Thanks for sharing. I feel like this is a very insightful way to view the world. The idea is in a nascent stage but the direction seems promising. Kind of reminds me of a heros journey condensed into its essential features.
So, every experience is, FIRST, our reaction to the ongoing inner story we create about our circumstance, whether it aligns with reality or not, THEN, our willingness and capacity to adapt the inner story to reality. Makes complete sense after this is pointed out.
Our consciousness is the fabric out of which we make your life.
Our consciousness is the ground of our every response to every single thing which happens in our mental, emotional and physical life.
Our consciousness is reality.
This statement may be expressed in 2 ways, both of which are the truth of existence.
Our consciousness creates reality, irrespective of actual facts.
When people believed the earth was flat, they were afraid to venture too far over the ocean lest the ship will fall over the edge. People who believed in a flat earth, lived according to that belief.
When Galileo said the earth was round, he was considered a heretic and a blasphemer but his perception of the "roundness of the earth" enabled sailors to take a new look at the world and set out to discover what lay the other side of the ocean. It required a change in their belief to make this possible.
We are in a similar position. People who discount and ridicule others are like people who believe in a flat earth and were afraid of falling over the edge if they sailed too far to the west or east of their known environment. Their horizons are severely limited by their false beliefs. So are the horizons of people who believe the world to be solid, also severely restricted.
Day after day, people lament and grieve over the misfortunes which have befallen the world, believing there is no escape from them.
But people who can grasp and welcome the Truth of Consciousness are like those who perceived that travel on the oceans can be limitlessly undertaken in all directions, as long as they have the will to set out on such a journey.
Therefore, our state of consciousness is the most important consideration in our life-not our relationships or possessions or our position in life.
Tend to your consciousness and the blessedness in all aspects of your life will follow.
By our consciousness we feed ourselves with inner love and harmony, joy and beauty, even in the backstreets of a slum.
With such consciousness, we will find ourselves being removed from the streets of the slum into an environment in keeping with our Godness. So do we climb out of unpleasant circumstances.
From the foregoing, you should now be able to see that only we create the "quality" of our internal world, whether we find ourselves externally in prison or in command of a battleship!
And we can enhance our surroundings by radiating to them the life force which animates our thinking.
Our external life only impinges on our consciousness. It does not-cannot-create or determine our conscious responses.
We are the "creator" of our responses.
Our type of creation depends entirely on our deepest perceptions and beliefs regarding existence.
Our convictions and strongly-held beliefs may be completely illusory but if we fully believe in them in our subconscious, they become absolutely real for us.
I think you're on the right track.
We continue to use a particular story to model the world as long as the world doesn't contradict the set of assumptions that the story is based on.
Somehow this lets us filter out all of the sensory information that isn't related to the story, and narrows things down to tools that further the plot, and obstacles that build tension.
Contradictory information is related to the agents of transformation he describes. They either tell you that you've got the story wrong, or they offer something to fill in a gap.
@@edgarmorales4476 Thanks for your lengthy reply. It is clearer to me now, why it is so important to guard our thinking, to be careful what we give your attention to, to attend to and transform our beliefs - so that our "inner story" produces joy, rather than grief. And now I am more convinced that the first commandment to "love the Lord God with all your heart, soul and strength" is the best thing we can do - it creates the best inner story.
Jordan, I wish you are one of my agents of transformation, which i need right now. ❤
For literal examples of consciousness mapping reality as a story: Homer, Virgil, Dante, Langland, Milton, Blake...come to think of it any epic/prophetic poetry (specifically poetry) in any culture.
The theme of reality as a story is a central theme in the recent Wes Anderson film, Asteroid City. I'd be very interested in hearing Dr. Peterson talk about this movie.
I disagree that the consciousness we experience is a “hallucination” because that implies that there is no correspondence between our conscious experiences and reality. I would prefer the term “perception” to link the experience with reality. When we see a green leaf, there is a connection between that perception and the real existence of matter reflecting a particular wavelength of light.
Interesting. True. Perception indeed is quite the accurate word here. Human perception is tied to his or her environment, thus it changes. The color we perceive is subjective but the matter existing in a particular color wavelength is objective and constant.
Hi Dr. Peterson, I think you would be interested in the late Charles Travis on perception. I highly recommend Collins J. & Dobler T. The Philosophy of Charles Travis: Language, Thought and Perception. Personally, I think consciousness is the gestalt effect of the totality of cognitive processes. Have a great day 🙂
I could listen to Jordon Peterson all day.
Same here.
It just upsets me when he keeps interrupting interview partners because they struggle with formulating their thaughts. Peterson keeps throwing statements in that he already said on a dozen other occasions, so they don't add that much value. What's the point of inviting people and then not letting them tell their story?
I haven't yet watched the full video and he didn't do it in this one yet, but it's very common.
"All the world's a stage. The men and women, merely players." Shakespeare said that. When Dr. Peterson has young people map out what they want in life, that's like a draft of a story. My brother had a bad marriage. I told him, "But you were the hero in your life. Your kids turned out well, thanks to your sacrifice." He liked that.
Just this morning, my husband made a connection to an issue he had as a child that is playing out in a different way nowadays. The problem was put to him as 'events involving 1 villain with multiple disguises' and to watch the instant the connection was made was pretty neat. I wonder what adventures are now going on in his head today.
Yes, each word is a pointer from a direct conscious thought we share to express reality. ( selection thought process) Our experiences become our personalized story. Our thoughts become words for actions that go into the process of our life’s story we create, write, and experience through living. Our choices from free will determines our fate. One’s perception contributes to outcomes because if your perception is warped and misdirected in falsehoods and fantasy, you live in deception filled with lies limiting growth and progress. The average person only recalls 5% of what is heard, 10% of visual, but 85% of what’s observed. Educational learned behaviors are different from intelligence and actual life experiences, just like talking and doing, hearing and listening, looking v actually observing and learning v experiences. Books teach us, life experiences molds us and introduces us to ourselves.
Thank you Jordan. ✝️🙏🏻❤️
I missed you during your Sugarland lecture. Perhaps next time. Ciao 🙋🏻♀️
Paradoxically, the story of conciousness has attempted to explain its genesis backwards. Its authors, our greatest physicists who fail to recognise that even a quantum explanation is but an abacus to the complexity of a Gods creation. Conciousness, profoundly significant and yet merely as minor as a childs lego block! The greatest story never told.
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Which definition of consciousness’s are you referring to. There are over 55 definitions of consciousness in debate by our quantum physicists. I enjoy when the physicists refer back to the ancient texts in the Bhagavad Gita.
I try to explain to people that it isn't our body that holds us up it's our conscious mind. They don't get that. So I tell them if you were standing and fell asleep, you'd fall over, and they tell me you wouldn't. It's like having a conversation with a wall.
God is so real that he gives children cancer and pedos long fulfilling lives aka Jimmy Saville as an example.
God is not real.
There is no story without memory. "Working backwards" is as predictable as "working forwards". As we know, time is illusion, the memory of both the past and future are manifested in the present. Reality is Revalatory... not prediction. Only God reveals.
I am learning to capture my thoughts and in doing so change my story. Just because I "think" a thing does not mean it is true. I want my story to be true, and as truth be pleasing to God.
Say Mr. Jordan, I appreciated your discussion this evening in Sugarland! It was great to see your face in person! Great show, other than my fellow Texans not being able to sit still and be quiet for long periods of time. Sorry bout that!
But always remember, if your country doesn’t want you, the country of Texas is ready to welcome you with open arms! 😂
Its the mind/flesh that creates the story which is the fall. We are in an endless loop of thinking and trying to aquire knowledge. It's when you stop thinking through prayer and meditation and connect with God you see that we are the loving awareness. We don't label so our love is unconditioned, like God's.
When faced with negative energy, channel your inner strength and replace it with positive energy. Let positivity be your shield against negativity
The ability to think about our thinking
Very much looking forward to this, dearest Dr. Peterson. I’m a novelist and so I think about story all day long and dream about it at night. You taught me that story matters in a time in my life when I had become discouraged in my work. I now have a complete manuscript under consideration by a literary agent and I don’t think I would have got here if not from learning from you.
Love you dearly.
Ruth Anne ❤
We are constantly creating Order out of Chaos, moment by moment by moment. It sometimes seems to me that Fear creeps in when the surrounding chaos exceeds or defies our sensemaking abilities. Which can happen with increasing regularity in todays incredibly complex techno-world.
Interesting to think about the fact that an attempt to make things more orderly (the tech world and internet access) brought so much chaos inadvertently
@@kevinmurphy5878 yes, how ironic!
Interesting, I do believe that there is an unconscious meta process that oversees our consciousness. It holds all the information about our reality, only alowing us to know what is pertinent to our existence. It gives us experiences like a sense of time and I am open to the theory that it could be external to our bodies.
Consciousness is the equals sign between the mathematical wave function and the manifestation of reality. The interaction causes Time to be created backwards and forwards from Now.
We attended the Jordan Peterson event in Sugar Land TX last night, but it took an hour to park and so we missed the whole talk and only caught some of the Q&A 😢
Dr. Peterson I was blessed to watch your we who wrestle with God lecture in OKC. I hope that you saw my question after the lecture if not I will be reposting this a few times as to possibly have you see it hopefully I'm not annoying. The question I would like to hear answered is why is the Logos of the Universe on a Cross, why would he promise us anything, and do the promises he made apply to you? I have my own thoughts on it but your perspective is so Brilliant that I think that it would do the world some good or at least my consens. Thank you if you ever read this and thank you more if you ever answer my question. Thank you!
What I find profound is that reality in the fifth dimension is constructed out of every single moment of time that has ever existed (4th dimension) pieced together as one picture (5th dimension). To experience one moment of time, one piece of that puzzle, would be to be in the 3rd dimension. The second and first dimensions are the building block of the third dimension, and this is significantly influenced by energy and quantum gravity.
So in essence, time does not actually exist, but the brain pieces together a set of possibilities that can exist within the quantum dimension of infinite possibilities as a linear movement from one piece of the puzzle to the next, and depending on which piece you are at, the possibilities change further. This even allows an explanation for an infinite amount of variations of the universe - essentially a different timeline pieced out of an infinite amount of puzzle pieces (that each represent a moment).
I wonder what the components of a “moment” are. I would describe it as: the event or occurrence itself, the meaning it holds to the person, and the emotions and feelings experienced during that event. As these factors change, the moment begins to change and morph into another moment.
I am fascinated at the way in which geometric patterns become realigned and changed in a DMT/LSD trip. Thinking in a more positive and open-minded way seems to have an effect on the beauty and color of these geometric patterns, and I am beginning to think that life is made out of these complex light forms at a higher level and those forms eventually slow down into density and become that which we call matter. Matter, of course, has its own vibration and frequency, meaning that it is never fully static.
Disorder is simply a chaotic organisation of energy. When energy begins to break loose, there is some chaos that is bound to occur until it becomes rearranged into something coherent.
I think that anyone can become a pure genius if they realise that if we are able to apply micro science (like contrasting between atomic bonds and shared interests between people, as an example), we may be able to uncover the hidden energetic workings that go by unnoticed by the majority of the world.
Doctor Peterson: once, in an artificially induced series of insights, I thought that everything is "a story" , that we are all characters. Also our goal in life would be " be example", either to our children as to other people. That seems exactly what you are saying. (I also had the insight that everything that has happened or will happened is happening at the same time, that our current beings are like a radio tuned to a certain station, but "all radios" are being broadcasted at the same time, which also related to expansion and contraction, or vibrance, off everything in an infinite speed - which would make the Big Bang just the start of the current visible cycle for us humans, but certainly not the absolute start of everything - bc after all, time would be a loop.
@JordanBPeterson - I'm not sure where to provide my feedback regarding your most recent tour in TX. Since this vlog is related to the lecture that I attended a few days ago, "Those of us who wrestle with God," at Dickies Arena... so, I place it here...
You was engaged with the audience and cares about your message and all of us. You put a lot of thoughts into what you want to cover and like the narrative to lead people on a mental journey. Your focus for the first 50 minutes was related to self & relationship topics that many parents are already aware of. I was surprised at how much time you took to lay the foundation for only one story about the Bible (Moses & the Burning Bush). You did cover a brief explanation of Abraham during the Q&A, but that was about it. 80% of the lecture seemed to be explaining how our lives are stories & then 10% was tying those stories into how they have been affected by the French Intellectuals of the 1960s, who were all Marxist. From there, you drew the parallels to our divisive society and that our divergence from God, faith & religion is what exacerbates our situation in this world. The other 10% of the show was the Q&A and the 2 religious stories.
All in all, it was not your best material. I went to your lecture last year, and the content was on a different level. I would give this lecture a 3.7 out of 5. Too much foundation laying and the connections between concepts were strained and a bit clumsy.
Will go again next year. Hoping it gets back to brilliance! Thank you, Dr. Peterson!
Jordan, May I suggest you do a podcast with Fr Chad Ripperger. There’s a lot of common ground you can discuss.
Very good. Love me some JP on the tail end of a mushroom high. Sweet dreams y’all
Cultivate edifying energy/feelings to cultivate edifying ideas.
Cultivate edifying ideas to cultivate an edifying narrative.
Interesting... this also works the opposite way: you can have good ideas in your head and walk out thinking that you are a reasonable person and will be dealing with other reasonable people... and then run into sociopathic/narcissistic people and/or a society of narcissists who contradict your good ideas/hopes/dreams; this reality in the light of day forces you to "correct" your perceptions of decency and goodness and this is how we become depressed and despairing.
Would love to see you do a interview with Bishop Maro mari, once he recovers after being stabbed the other day in Australia
Friends do the same as the light; they offer contradiction to the darkness. The epidemic of loneliness and isolation (with the accompanying uptick in narcissism) is allowing the darkness to engulf many good people
I’m curious to know if you have ever read A Course In Miracles and what your thoughts might be.
"The world as we know it came about due to a mistake." --Gospel of Philip
Saint Jordan Peterson
I've always considered conscious activity to be analogous to a hardware interupt.
The major flaw with defining Consciousness is the belief that the human is the one experiencing what we call life, or even has a Consciousness of it's own....
The Purpose of the Human Being, and all appearances of Mortality are to Lie about the Infinite, Omnipresence Spirit of God to encourage the Spirit/Soul die to the False Sense of Mortal Self, as the Purpose of the Soul is to take Dominion over our only Adversary, the World Mind and it's thoughts tempting us to believe mortality/form/decay is reality.
The massive wall we have built shielding us from our truth lies in intellectual concepts known as the Graven Images of Mortality experienced through the senses(including all religious beliefs). What is of God Consciousness is Infinite, and what is not of God is an Appearance of a False Image where Only God is....
Heaven is where you are and the only place that you can ever be, yet Hell is the place that you insist on experiencing by entertaining a mortal life separate and apart from God.
We cannot glorify the Father, and glorify the flesh, or the sense of a personal Me separate and apart from God(including the flesh of jesus). Our Consciousness can not be divided in this. Either God is or God isn't the Only Life, and our experience is the Demonstration of either/or, depending on our receptivity to Life(Immortality), or Death(Mortality)...
Where there's a Me(human self-love and human self-will) separate and apart from God there is SIN.....
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He who Realizes his Life is the Spirit of God has Eternal Life! He then walks through the mortal appearance a Divine Being, in who the 5 Senses of Mortal Lies have been Impersonalized, therefore hold no power over him. His fidelity is to the Immortal Spirit he is, and no longer to the mortal illusion of life not of God....
We Must OVERCOME the Belief that we are not Immortal, Divine Being.....
To him that Overcometh the temptation of the tree of good and evil(belief in a mortal existence separate and apart from God)will I give to eat of the Tree of Life(ALL GOD IS/ETERNAL LIFE), which is in the Midst of the Kingdom of God(Omnipresence)....
Turn ye from the false images of the mortal world of man with breath in his nostrils, and Dwell in the Secret Place of the Most High!!
I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD....of the 5 senses of Mortal World Mind Belief, knowing they can only lie....
The degree to which we can look at the shadow of the material world of death/mortality that is not of Spirit/God and not be disturbed by it is the Path of the Realized Christ....
I and the Infinite are One....
We are not a Christian until we know Christ is our Identity, as only Christ can do the works of God because man can not!!
It is this Truth, this Principle of GOD BEING THE ONLY LIFE that is the greatest enemy of the Church, and why so many Illumined Beings that have spoken about GOD BEING THE ONLY LIFE were ultimately imprisoned, beaten, ostracized, murdered, and more by Religious Belief/Church. The Church, because it can not Demonstrate the Teaching of the Christ must keep you focused on a historical and physical interpretation of what is a Literal Spiritual Message. They use the Unreality of the mind and body to keep you imprisoned because they can not use the Spiritual Truth to do so.
Those of God Realized Consciousness(my fellow brother and sister Mystics) wrote the bible, and only those of a God Realized Consciousness can Discern it.
NO RELIGION or RELIGIOUS INDIVIDUAL HAS EVER UNDERSTOOD THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE, and have certainly never practiced it!!
To learn the bible one must come to the Virginal Conscious Realization that the Perfect, Immortal Life of God is the Only Life, and only then will God begin to Unfold through the appearance of you as God does through all Illumined Beings!!
I and the Father are One!!!
Map of Consciousness, David R Hawkins. Power of the Arm.
Why guess, believe, or theorize?
When you can know 100%
Consciousness is not the answer... The body is.
Pride in Reason holds people back.
Sounds like everything that we already know as being important in this world for all living creatures which is, 'Teaching & Learning', just put in a different way, a different 'Modus Operandi'.
People are storytellers because their brains reflect on themselves. From the first prehistoric drawings to Star Wars today
Specifying a point seems to me to be one of the few acts of free will we have access to.
Life is simply not a story. Walt Whitman demolishes the entire line of argument in three words by declaring "I contain multitudes." People are not static single fixed identities, when you peel back the convenient delusions.
There is no fixed protagonist, hence there is no story.
Some people are more pronounced than others about being fairly linear, or about conversely slipping in and out of a dozen different personas and masks and personalities throughout the day. Presuming everyone is fixed and linear is a philosophical mistake. It's fine, it can be a useful shorthand. But it's not a solid claim about the nature of reality and the self.
Ego can pretend there is contuinity, and can pretend there are not multitudes, and can pretend there's not the possibility of self-transcendance at any moment, but that's a socially accepted convenient delusion.
You can still see objects, and take actions, in a non-egotistical frame of mind. You just see object and take actions without identifying with mental chatter and conceptions about it being a story. It's not a story.
Stories are just a game you're playing. It's not a necessary game, or fundamntally true. It's...functional. Its a contingent game with understandable rules, but that's all. Don't claim it's all of consciousness.
I was in a heavy discussion about the nature of God one time, like what is ''I am that i am''.
Anyway i started to pass out and as that was happening a little voice in the back of my head said. ''I'm the one who powders your wigs.'' So that was or may have been an encounter with God but he seems to be coming from the 17th century. What did it mean, why did people powder wigs ?
Where can I see this entire interview, please?
Bees, tools & words, obstacles… thanks for saying sharing, if our indigenous ancestors sat around contemplating they’d have starved & we wouldn’t be here, why so complex, the earth took care of the complexities for us, no contradiction, fact not fiction, design life as you will, we’ve turned the corner & now know reality is a fact not a story of contradiction unless it’s called truth telling, when is enough enough
God has visited me since I was a kid & every day God shows me the future events that will take place that day, & all the events happen exactly as God shows me they will. So as I go about my ordinary & somewhat mundane daily life things that are not normally part of my life & which I would never imagine possibly happening suddenly happen & I am confronted with them & I recall how God told me those things would happen. So my life is somewhat like living inside a crystal ball where a mystical force is making itself known to me & demonstrating its powers constantly. So it's like the powers of heaven & the earth are being perceived by my mind at the same time, & so my focus is not so much on the material things that happen but the power that showed me they will happen.
And so I do not walk around having my inner spiritual beliefs confounded & put in check by material circumstances, I walk around & directly witness the things God has shown me all coming true. So to me life is a mystical walk where I directly witness what God has shown me I will witness. It's like my perception has an extra dimension that expands my life experience constantly & I live outside of the world at the same time that I am living inside it.
This is just what God has done to me & created of me by visiting me all the time & showing me the future constantly.
Unrelated but I'd love to see JPs point of view of the recently released Cass Report in the UK on the subject of care for young people with gender incongruence
Although children are afraid of the dark, I'm not sure they are afraid of death. I found it interesting that when I spent time on Halloween painting children's faces that they seemed very relaxed when I had a skull face makeup on myself. When I had a more decayed look of a zombie, then they were so frightened they wouldn't even respond when I asked them their name. But if it was just the skull face they seemed to be in a very relaxed, happy, and mesmerized state.
Demonic 😂
Does it or is it just that we use language to think, if we didnt think with words would it be a story or a motion picture?
I love you Mr. Peterson, you're advice and ideas have single handedly made a world of difference in my life. Thank you sir. Ill pay the universe back by being a better man from this moment forward. Doveƙ
Stories are how we check to see if you and I are having similar experiences.
L'unico motivo per cui mi dispiace non comprendere l'inglese è non poter comprendere la Bellezza dei dialoghi del dott.Peterson
Jordan if you were going to pick a faction to play in Warhammer 40k which would it be?
Hear hear! I too would like to know the answer to this question Dr Peterson!
obviously he would follow the god emperor
Our consciousness is the fabric out of which we make your life.
Our consciousness is the ground of our every response to every single thing which happens in our mental, emotional and physical life.
Our consciousness is reality.
This statement may be expressed in 2 ways, both of which are the truth of existence.
Our consciousness creates reality, irrespective of actual facts.
When people believed the earth was flat, they were afraid to venture too far over the ocean lest the ship will fall over the edge. People who believed in a flat earth, lived according to that belief.
When Galileo said the earth was round, he was considered a heretic and a blasphemer but his perception of the "roundness of the earth" enabled sailors to take a new look at the world and set out to discover what lay the other side of the ocean. It required a change in their belief to make this possible.
We are in a similar position. People who discount and ridicule others are like people who believe in a flat earth and were afraid of falling over the edge if they sailed too far to the west or east of their known environment. Their horizons are severely limited by their false beliefs. So are the horizons of people who believe the world to be solid, also severely restricted.
Day after day, people lament and grieve over the misfortunes which have befallen the world, believing there is no escape from them.
But people who can grasp and welcome the Truth of Consciousness are like those who perceived that travel on the oceans can be limitlessly undertaken in all directions, as long as they have the will to set out on such a journey.
Therefore, our state of consciousness is the most important consideration in our life-not our relationships or possessions or our position in life.
Tend to your consciousness and the blessedness in all aspects of your life will follow.
By our consciousness we feed ourselves with inner love and harmony, joy and beauty, even in the backstreets of a slum.
With such consciousness, we will find ourselves being removed from the streets of the slum into an environment in keeping with our Godness. So do we climb out of unpleasant circumstances.
From the foregoing, you should now be able to see that only we create the "quality" of our internal world, whether we find ourselves externally in prison or in command of a battleship!
And we can enhance our surroundings by radiating to them the life force which animates our thinking.
Our external life only impinges on our consciousness. It does not-cannot-create or determine our conscious responses.
We are the "creator" of our responses.
Our type of creation depends entirely on our deepest perceptions and beliefs regarding existence.
Our convictions and strongly-held beliefs may be completely illusory but if we fully believe in them in our subconscious, they become absolutely real for us.
Curious to know how that would apply to dreaming, the nothing that is there as the dark background is actually something in a feedback loop with you.
(It's "The Wizard of Oz")
Consciousness, the enigmatic essence of human experience, serves as the cartographer of reality, crafting intricate maps of our surroundings through the lens of subjective perception. This narrative weaving of reality is underpinned by a complex interplay of neural networks, synaptic connections, and sensory inputs within the brain. Scientific studies in cognitive neuroscience reveal that consciousness arises from the synchronized activity of widespread brain regions, orchestrating a symphony of electrical impulses that translate external stimuli into coherent experiences. Furthermore, the brain’s capacity for storytelling, evident in the formation of memories and the construction of mental simulations, underscores its role as a narrative architect, shaping our understanding of the world. Thus, consciousness emerges not merely as a passive observer, but as an active participant in the creation of our perceived reality, navigating the intricate landscapes of existence through the artistry of storytelling.
Excellent video. I watched it from start to finish.
I finally read '12 rules for life ' and wow, it was really, really good! Any Peterson fans that haven't, need to! Way back in highschool, my favorite class was literature and now that door has been rediscovered! Cannot wait for "We who wrestle with God'!!
Can't wait for this! The User Illusion is an amazing book!
TRUTH SOCIAL is Hardline Revolution !!🔥🔥 I Love It.
Is there a way not to allow some things to appear in our conciousness?
3:14 This fairytale you referred to, I am living it out. With a wife named Elva, whom I call my elf and a motorcycle I've named Jessica Rabbit! ❤️💃🐇🏍️
Thomas Sowell takes something complicated, as makes it easy to understand..Peterson takes something easy, and makes it complicated & hard to understand.
They specify a treasure house of value? Or just sugary sweet liquid
Is JP an agent of transformation?
He should read the diamond sutra
No, it's what's being refined by the story, the story itself does not matter.
Love it, I took this away - 'we live in a model we have created & when the model doesn't fit with observation we change the model'. I would add that we do much of the remodeling when asleep.
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I think this must be the most important understanding Jordan has communicated . XX
Stories are ALL that we share.
Jordan your a champion to us and certainly to me, thank you. Your continued existence gives me strength
You're not wrong.
Heard you talk about this on your tour!
Cody Rhodes knows a thing or two about that, particularly when he just recently "finished his story." ;)
Fear of the dark. It is more than just childish fear. Humans have many senses, but our primary interactive sense in the modern world is our sight - and when it is dark we cannot see clearly or at all. Try getting through a day while wearing a very opaque blindfold.
Fear of the dark also has symbolic meaning, where 'the dark' is a reference to ignorance or the unknown.
Just as the light of dawn drives away the dark of night, so too does the light of knowledge drive away fear of the unknown.
But be warned. Dawn's light might just reveal a hitherto unnoticed horror; and the light of knowledge will, inevitably, do the same.
In the end, all that really matters is what sort of person you choose to be with the time you have.
Monsters can often be heroes, but if a hero becomes a monster, then they are just a monster.
Many people including me have thought from a young age that we create our own reality according to our beliefs. I love how Jordan explains and communicates this. Thank you.
Most people don't tell stories. They are told stories.
Children, on the other hand, play games where they are in control. Boys control things differently than girls. They tell you to do what they want you to do.
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I think consciousness develops in the human being as we learn to articulate our inner life spatially. Without up, down, left, right, forward and back in our inner life we are unable to separate and coordinate our perceptions.
Stories and consciousness are concepts, and reality is not a concept.
If you want to get to the root, you first have to realize that you're the tree. There is no "I" that contemplates itself, just as there is no knife that can cut itself.
As J. Krishnamurti said "if you are observing yourself, then who is the observer?"
There are no amount of words or thoughts that can make sense of this. It's down to context. This is the entire point of the Eastern traditions, and the mystical Western traditions.
I believe and only understand now, as an adult,, that every human being is born with a soul created from God the Almighty Creator of the heavens and earth... And this soul, if we could analyze it, I believe would compare to God's Love... And from birth,, as we physically grow into our thought and feeling capacities,, we begin the process of developing our outlook and opinions of safety,, producing feelings of peace/rest, contentment etc.,,, vs opinions of not safe,, producing feelings mainly of fear and terror etc... As far back that I can remember,, my earliest memories contain fear and terror.. Not from feeling harm, but from feeling not being safe... I can easily point at today that even though I was not old enough to understand God's Love(good),, my soul or concious understood evil(not safe)... And needless to say, but I will,, satan and his lies had a hayday with me as a child...
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Wow.
Aggh you caught it earlier
It's as if we are on laughing gas my wife comes home and describes her day in detail it's like shes describing her reality based off a hallucination and now it makes perfect sense
Lol.
Me sitting here, listening to Jordan Peterson conveying what the Bible said all along.
As time goes on I realize more and more how this is Jordan Petersons greatest insight.