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@@lloyddaley6169 No one's promised tomorrow. what would you do if you're under his daughter was messing with somebody over 50 years old? and if you're saying the opposite of what you would do; your lying. no man is going to throw his life away like that unless it's his wife, children, or money. so which of the three is it?
@@Jblaze024 This is much deeper than we will ever be told from a Corporate Media talking head. This whole country is covered with a veil of secrecy that was completely exposed in the 80s and 90s. 9/11 stopped the efforts to take the evil ones down
@@al1383 I was thinking the same thing. It’s like a kid trying to stretch out his book report by putting big spaces between words and adding very very at every turn
People were speculating abuse by the judge. But, it's just as possible the father was the abuser and the family went to the judge for help in getting separated from the father. The number of the daughter could have been in the phone because she was the one who initiated the request for help. The "kidnapping my wife and daughter" comment make more sense in that context.
Sheriff stated upon his arrest that the judge and others were kidnapping his family. The daughters phone number was called by the sheriff using the judges phone . So it was on the phone but not saved as a contact. Something was going on, but it was not a sorted love affair. No perv. Action.
I want to learn about this case but I cannot force myself to sit here and listen to this man slowly dribble out the story with high school drama class talent.
all I want to say is no sheriff is going to commit that crime to a judge for one of his deputies. not going to happen. the actions of the sheriff are a result of either wife, children, or finances. which of the three is it?
Could be either, some, or all. It can also include the situation with the his deputy. Sheriff could see his life crumbling and blamed the judge, or he just got enraged seeing his daughters number in the judge's phone thinking they're plotting against him. 🤷🏽♀️. We'll find out soon enough.
@@denisbenoit5289 You commented on my thought exactly. It's even worse in the short clip where he goes on about the puppet and its master, as if all crimes are controlled by criminal masterminds.
I saw some postings that the sheriff was abusive to his wife and she was planning on leaving him with her daughter. The judge was helping them. The sheriff learned about it and when his daughter didn’t answer his call but answered the judge’s call, he got the verification and snapped.
@@arielsea9087 I know what you mean. But this was from someone who knew the people involved but didn’t want to be identified now. It seems plausible to me that this sheriff was abusive just by how he killed the judge. Angry and flew off the handle. Imagine how he could be at home. I guess we’ll see.
May make some sense because that "lead detective" said that the sheriff while being arrested said something like " they're trying to kidnap my wife and daughter "
Pay attention theyre telling you! The sheriffs family wouldnt answer for his own calls but when he borrowed the judges phone his daughter answered when he called. The sheriff didnt like the judge helping his family behind his back so once it was confirmed by his daughter answering the phone, he went back inside and shot him
@@catsanddogs8983not at all if the reason they didn't answer the sheriff's call is because of abuse. There's not enough evidence available right now. Sheriff either took out a pedo or took out a man attempting to help victims of domestic abuse.
Yep i live there.,... judge was helping his friends wife hide from him because he was abusive...the sheriff found out because he seen his wife and daughters number was on the judges phone...
@@greg4876 but what about the case of the sexual assault(s) in the judge's chambers by that other officer? I think we got consider what that was about too.
Don’t know if anyone heard the testimony like I did. When the defense attorney asked the “lead investigator” about the daughter’s phone number being “on the phone.” Did anyone else think that maybe the question should have been a little more specific? Like was the daughter’s phone number SAVED to the judge’s phone as a contact or just on the call log because the sheriff called her from it? That’s just the way my mind heard it yall.
She worked for the Judge at the court. Most bosses have employees numbers so to me that doesn't seem odd. And it has been widely reported that the families were good friends and the Judge was like an uncle to her.
I think it’s just cause they’re in a small town and state w low funding, I’ve been in very nice judges chamber before with a couch and multiple seats in there
Yea it's sad so many people are smearing him on a rumor. It would sum up 2024 in a nutshell if the man trying to help someone escape abuse ends up dead for it and people smear him as a creep.
Even when a unarmed judge is killed in cold blood on camera the police apologist on court tv cant bring themselves to say the cop should get the same punishment as anyone else.
I was told by someone close to the situation that the judge had some kind of blackmail scheme going against the wife and daughter of the sheriff and had coerced both of them into a sexual relationship with him. The sexual thing actually started when the daughter was underage, I haven't been able to confirm this but as I said the info came from a source close to the situation. Kentucky does have it's fair share of rouge law enforcers as well as crooked judges so I don't know.
All they had to do was leave. It's the safest way. He has to go to work sometime. Plan slowly. How did a judge allow him to find out he was helping his wife?
As any parent would if they find out that someone was molesting or harming their child in anyway! If those rumors are true that the judge was having inappropriate contact with an underage girl that father did exactly what any good father would have done
@@lisastringfellow8524. IF the rumors are true. I’m from a small town not too far away from here and any little thing that happens is like a game of telephone. The story changes and gets bigger overtime with each retelling. Lord knows what actually happened. The gossip mills run overtime in these little towns.
I am confident he won't be getting manslaughter for this. Even if the judge acted against him in some way he was no threat. This guy needs to be on lock down for the rest of his days. He betrayed all trust as a sheriff.
This is an Appalachian town, with a population of 1,170. Anyone who lives in a larger town, can’t begin to understand the social dynamics of a town under 2000. I went from living in L.A. to a tiny town of 7000 in the middle of nowhere. I have to drive over an hour to get to a UPS store, or a “chain” restaurant, or auto repair shop. We have a Walmart that sells groceries. It’s a different life, and I can guarantee you those Townspeople know what’s been going on, whether they chose to talk about it or not it.
"Kidnap"...meaning the Sheriff's wife was leaving him & taking the kid with her. I saw the comment that the judge was helping them flee an abusive situation, so if that's the case he did get them away from their abuser. Cost him his life.
He found out that his wife and daughter were trying to get away from him. Why are you not reporting that they had left him before this happened. The motive is obvious he wanted to prevent them leaving. Not kidnapped but rescued.
Vinnie likes to DRAG everything out for money . He barely tells anything new in these videos. I wish they would get rid if him and change their approach to this channel. They won't though . They make so much money off views for telling us what we already know lolol
Yep. Along with the fact a victim will attempt to exit the abuser at least 8 times before they get away. However, many cases end in some form of violence. Very sad statistic. 😢
Maybe the judge was communicating to the Sheriff's wife through the daughter's phone because the Sheriff was monitoring his wife's phone. Just a plausible theory.
I am not supposed to judge a book by its cover…I know. But, the picture of the deceased judge leads me to think he was a caring soul. I think your theory is spot on.
Maybe the wife was having an affair with the judge. In my heart of hearts, I just don’t believe the sheriff abused his wife or daughter. I just think the judge has creepy all over him, I am sorry to family, but just being honest.
@@Thewitchesflame not true if wife and daughter are afraid of him why would they be sitting in court behind him supporting him and why would a family member have a GoFundMe up for the family?
I think it would be difficult to investigate people you know, or work closely with. Not a typical investigation. But I WAS surprised by how little he had investigated this in preparation for court.
@@juliew6229 ikr I think this case needs to be Adjudicated in another county as this small town is too close for comfort to be fair and just in their verdict.
Everyone is on the internet trying to guess what happened, but the Sheriff knows exactly what happened. Since the cops are so honest and upstanding, why doesn't the sheriff clear the whole thing up?
If he is not wanting to clear it all up, he may have a lot to hide and feels loads of guilt? And also may think he can get in less trouble if he stays quiet? Idk
I was 25 years in law enforcement 12 as an administrator on a PD; I worked as a paralegal law clerk for a District Court Judge after during my pursuit of degree as a Legal Assistant. I lived in the same small town but in North Dakota, same population, county seat, district court judge. Looking at what happened makes me think back to the 70's when a Sheriff down in that area had a particularly hard time with his people, his name was Bufford Pusser. Wonder if the same type situation may be happening now.
"Walking Tall" - the film about a powerful, enigmatic sheriff who dealt with mobsters, was based on Pusser. I believe was seen, by locals, as something of a bully. He vowed to capture or kill all members of the "Dixie Mafia"d for the death of his wife, Pauline, who was shot during a drive-by meant to kill Pusser.
Several people from Letcher County have said that the sheriff's wife was seeking a divorce and the Judge was trying to help her. Supposedly, the sheriff has a past of domestic violence and control issues and he was upset that the judge was trying to help his wife procure a divorce.
Then there would’ve been paperwork to back that up. No, that judge had the Sheriff’s teenage daughter’s phone number. Not the wife’s. Couple that with the kidnapping comment and It’s pretty evident what was going on. The judge was either stalking the daughter or had an inappropriate relationship with her. A divorce isn’t going to cause the Sheriff to do what he did in the way he did it.
@@QueenLOVE79 I agree with your comment, and let me add my two cents. I suspect that the Sheriff 's daughter was not answering her dad's phone calls, or why would he had to use the Judge's phone to call his daughter? Maybe there was an inappropriate relationship between the Judge and the Sheriff ' s daughter. To me, the Sheriff seems a decent man and a protective dad and husband.
I read that the wife and daughter left him a month before the shooting. The judge helped the family and the sheriff were jealous and decided to kill the judge? The mother and daughter have denied that there were any sexual assaults going on.
Where did you hear this from? Which source? I have not seen this on any credible site. Also, he has 2 daughters, one will be 17 this December and the other appears to be a bit older than the other one.
The sheriff used the judges phone before the murder and realized his family answered the phone when they thought the judge was calling but wouldn't answer the sheriffs call so he went back in shooting
He loved his daughter and wife so much that in order to keep them safe he guaranteed that he will never be around to protect them. Makes perfect sense.
Judge facilitating the sheriff’s wife and daughter’s ‘escape’ from abusive situation (to a battered women’s shelter? )… sheriff’s decided to construe this as attempting to ‘kidnap’ his wife and child
@@TheSingingGardener They might have felt awkward or uncertain about sitting by the family of the judge since he was allegedly murdered trying to help them? Or sometimes you still care about a horrible abuser, even if you are trying to escape. Maybe both.
The daughter could have been trying to report her father for something, but couldn't exactly go to the sheriff's department if that was the case. Domestic violence is extremely common in the homes of police officers and the sheriff clearly has violent tendencies.
@@ChrisJohnson-hk6es Possibly, but there's no information to support such an assertion at this point. There's not a lot of information in general on this case.
That's what I've seen, apparently the sheriff borrowed the judges phone and when he realize his own family would answer the phone for the judge but not for him, he lost it
Something is fishy here. Why would the lead investigator not ask what the conversation was about before the shooting took place. Something is being covered up here
@@KRG414if rumors are true (rumors are partly true and not) if the EX-sheriff was abusive,then no you aren't just going to walk out the door and things done in secret happen for situations like that all the time.
@@stephenbarabas6286 I didn’t say family members can’t secretly leave the husband. However, if the judge implemented himself into the situation, he, as a judge, jeopardized ANY LEGAL ACTION taken from there on. And what I mean by that is that he could not legally preside over their case. He would have had to recuse himself. He did not follow protocol. There’s more to the story that’s not being told. Wifey and judge were up to something deeper than her leaving her husband. The secrecy is the key when there are other legal avenues any sane judge would have told her to pursue, like file for divorce, get a restraining order or protection order, get enough essentials and stay at an undisclosed location. The fact that the rumor is that the judge was helping her leave in secrecy should be the key to all of this. They were already in too deep somewhere else and somehow got the daughter involved (probably manipulation, married women are masters at it and married women cheat WAY more than you’d realize). Problem is, sheriff may have a hard time proving anything beyond reasonable doubt since our current culture is “all cops bad” and “believe all women.”
@LigmaBallz91 The process is a protective order. The judge signing it IS the process. Then the alleged victims leave, and defendant has no contact until the hearing. If the victims are truly afraid for their lives they DO leave in secret BEFORE the defendant is served.
The idea the judge was doing something with the daughter doesn't work. The sheriff would have outright said that and it would have been the headline. The idea that the sheriff's wife and kid might have been abused and where trying to leave him actually fits more since the sheriff is staying awfully quiet. The second scenario of anger issues and such also fits unloading a gun on a friend without a sign of remorse.
The sheriff is staying quiet because he works in the system. At no point ever under any conditions even if you're completely innocent should you speak to the police if you're the subject of an investigation. You only speak through a lawyer ANYTHING You say can and WILL be used AGAINST you
@@KRG414ofc. But what makes the most sense is what op stated. There's not enough available evidence to draw a reasonable conclusion right now but I'm with op until something shows otherwise
When you’re from a small town such as this, you understand that not everyone is held to the standard of the law. It’s absolutely possible that a judge could have an inappropriate relationship with a sheriffs daughter (speculation only) without recourse. Those in power are protected even more so than usual, in small towns.
It’s a domestic thing. Y’all aren’t telling us anything new. Good commenters though. I bet judge was helping mother and daughter. Daughter wouldn’t answer dad’s call.
It appears that the Sheriff couldn’t accept rejection from his wife and the Judge was trying to help his wife and daughter leave him. If this is true that is the cause for the murder but it’s never a reason to commit such a horrible crime. I think the Judge told the wife of the Sheriff in a text message that he would send Deputys to help her and the daughter leave and that is where the kidnapping part comes in to play. It appears that the Sheriff was never going to let his wife and daughter leave him and they were probably the next target.
That really doesn't make sense. If he didn't want his family broken up, he wouldn't resign himself to life in prison. The alleged grooming and abuse of the daughter makes more sense. He may have had it under another name
@@ProudCanadian-vv6bk the abuse story sounds like BS. The sheriff is dirty. We already know he covered for his deputy who was raping women at the courthouse at night and is named in a lawsuit. And now he shoots a judge. He's the criminal.
This case is just another extremely strong argument for why audio & visual photography filming should be allowed in court rooms and all government funded buildings through federal dollars.
I do not think the sheriff believed his wife/daughter were in extreme danger due to being kidnapped...I believe they were going to be spirited away because they WANTED to get away from him. Still could be extreme emotional turmoil because the sheriff was about to lose control of his family. Just a fair guess from someone who has watched domestic violence cases unfold more than once.
Eh, forming that conclusion with such little information is called conjecture. It does look bad for him, but we don't know all the facts or how the facts we do know tie together. We know very little at this point, all we could do is speculate.
@@SheldonRobert-x8o Rumor has it the sheriff's wife was leaving him (because like most cops, he's abusive) and was taking the daughter with her. Supposedly the judge was helping to get them out safely. I don't know if it's true or not, that's just the rumor.
@@christopheraaron8299 If I were the only Judge in such a small community, who would likely be overseeing the Divorce proceedings, then that's weird.. And is his wife having an affair with the Judge that might be overseeing that Divorce Proceeding? Either way, a little girl's phone number should not be on the phone the Judge.
Why is there a trial, he murdered the judge, it's on video, it don't matter if there was a "reason" in the eyes of the Sheriff. Murder is murder. Why a trial?
You must live in China. A trial is not just about what he did, or if he did it. A trial is for a jury or judge to determine WHAT charge best fits the crime. The state can charge the sheriff with Murder 1, but then the jury decides that Murder 2 better fits the crime, which is a passion killing, not a pre-planned spontaneous killing. Those two murders have vastly different lengths of prison. You don't just show a 4 minute video and then throw them in prison. That's not how our legal system works.
A "crazy mad" parent still has no right to take another's life. He made himself judge, jury and executioner. I think we need to hear some actual facts instead of conjecture.
@KevinAskin The sheriff's wife and daughter had left him the month before. The sheriff's family has said there was no sa. It's more likely the judge was helping them obtain an order of protection from him. They refused to answer the phone from the sheriff but answered for the judge. The statement about kidnapping his family appears to bear this scenario out as being more likely.
Interesting that people are assuming that the sheriff's actions were justified. Or that the victim (judge) MUST have done something to drive the sheriff to murder him.
I'm almost certain the sheriff's buddies are spreading those lies. It was spreading like wildfire 2 minutes after the shooting. Sheriff was being investigated for misconduct of his subordinates
This has been devastating for our little community, being a neighbor and friend to the stines family my brain is fried from all of this because I just can’t wrap my brain around it all. I hate it so bad for both families and for those of us who knew these men personally as friends, neighbors and even family.
@@agds91078 I’m so sorry for the struggle yall are going through. I cannot even imagine how yall are coping. We don’t stop to think about friends and neighbors and kin.
@@clayton56tubeHE was the one they needed protecting from! Looks like the judge was possibly in talks for a protection order cos his wife and daughter left him the month before and Stines family has also CLEARLY stated there was NO inappropriate sexual harrassment.
Mother and daughter were trying to get away from an abusive and controlling cop. The Judge was helping them, as he often did with other members of the community, and the Sheriff was outraged and jealous, so he killed the judge. He is no hero.
@@NancyHampton-w6j because people often have a hard time accepting and dealing with someone they once cared about, murdering people? why did the step dad carly greg shot, defend her? why do the parents of her mom, the woman she murdered, support her? i would say because they are weak. same thing with these people. they are weak. they have also came out and said publicly that the daughter was not being abused. so the narrative used to support him also doesnt make any sense. and yet, i dont see you questioning that
Since everyone is speculating, has the possibility been considered that maybe Judge had video implicating the sheriff in the ongoing proceedings of sexual misconduct in the chambers?
Could be because these other idiots speculations make zero sense with the wife and daughter right there in court supporting the sheriff! 🤦♀️ amazes me how dumb people are!
The main rumor I've seen is the sheriff was abusive to his family and the judge was helping his wife divorce him. The sheriff used the judges phone and called his own family so when they answered for the judge but not for his calls, he lost it and shot the judge. That's why he borrowed his phone before the shooting but who knows the truth unless someone comes out with the facts
So a wife manages to escape an alleged controlling, abusive husband and father, who happens to be the sheriff of a small town, with her teenage child/children. Somewhere along the way, judge Mullins becomes an ally for the mother's cause. Unless some unseemly association exists concerning the judge's actions, the trusting sap in me wants to believe the judge's motives were noble. From that point of view, it would be entirely acceptable for him to have their contact info in the event any of them needed to reach out to him for assistance in their struggles. Failure of the daughter to answer dad's call then immediately answering a call from the judge's phone speaks volumes. Secondly, even if the first shot was passion driven, the following pauses and continued salvos were cold and calculated to result in death.
Read that the Sheriff had lost a good amount of weight which usually happens during a marital break up in my experience and what I have read from the locals. So if the Judge was helping his wife/child...why kill him? because he had a gun/felt he was justified. I have heard many times I am going to kill him but they have no gun near them making that statement. Most people cool off...hence why guns are taken out of the home or off the person...nobody get's shot. I have know of a few individuals shot but they don't keep shooting until he knows this person is dead, dead, dead...3 times we witnesses the officer shooting until he felt the judge was dead. Something else is going down JMO
The sheriff didn’t seem very remorseful it’s as if he feels justified by his actions. Mind blowing 🤯 how an officer of the law could loose his control and kill a judge in his own chambers. It’s as if the sheriff’s last ditch attempt for control boy what a disgraceful pathetic man and still blaming the victim
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@OttoByOgraffey Calling bs on that. You just want to annoy people. I would hope my life mission would be a little more important than designating myself as the grammar police.🙄
Maybe the judge was going to grant a Restraining Order to the sheriff’s wife and daughter. Maybe the sheriff was so butthurt that he was losing his control that he decided to take his anger out on the judge. 🤷🏻♀️
The sheriff used the judges phone before shooting him, the rumor is he called his family and realized they wouldn't answer his calls but they picked up when he called from the judges phone. So he went back in and shot
As far as I know, nobody can talk directly to the Judge about their cases specifically if you know them personally. And if the Judge know them personally, they need to excuse themselves from the case and have another Judge handle it.
After the sheriff was arrested, he stated to law enforcement that “They are trying to kidnap my wife and kid.” That sounds like the sheriff’s wife was attempting to leave him and the judge may have been helping her.
Nobody seems to want to mention facts about the daughters age. If she's not 18. I would think the father probably already knew of a inappropriate situation and confirmed it with the phone and acted like a Dad would. This sheriff seems like a good guy. The judge looks like a. .... To me . 🧐. We will see?
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Would you have regret if you found out someone was molesting your child? Which is bring alleged in Whitesburg according to my relatives who live near there!
wow this think tank is ridiculous, her phone number wasnt in the judges phone until Stines called the number because his phone didnt work, they just said that in court. Vinny invented that fact that the daughters number was already in the phone. The sherriff is a defendant in the 2022 trial from the actual 2 victims that were ignored by Stines. Its all avaliable online. The daughter and mother and family denied any abuse online from the judge before today, thats already available online. The case has nothing to do with the judges phone. The mental illness is the stress of losing his job to the 2022 case. The judge refused to drop his case.
@@auntbee1959 maybe & maybe not! Just bcz the Judge got killed doesn't necessarily mean he was up to no good. And regardless...even IF that former sheriff discovered the judge was up to no good with his daughter...the LAW states that they should be *arrested & tried for their crimes*, not shot dead on-the-spot. Now we all know that former sheriff was *not* deserving of the job he had. He obviously has a violent temper & impulse control problems. And you're over here obliquely rooting for that former sheriff? smdh
@@Corinne-v9cand if the judge was up to no good involving the Sherrif’s daughter? All bets are off when protecting your family from corrupt officials that rarely are held accountable.
He doesn't. He keeps calling the sheriff by his first name; they know each other. Even if they're not best buds, it has to be uncomfortable for the detective to be investigating someone he has worked with.
you know why? I guarantee you she was sending naughty pictures to the judge and that's what the sheriff seen or he called her number and she answered. whatever the case is good friends don't have their kids number in their phone.
Is that a rhetorical question? Do you already think you know why? Did you learn that the sheriff said something about the judge trying to kidnap his wife and daughter? Could it be possible that the judge was trying to help them get away from a domestic violence situation? The general public doesn’t know the details yet!
@@barbiekat6352 that may be possible. But.... he is the judge. Why wouldn't he go about it the correct way? Why pretend to be his friend through the day and behind the chiefs back talk to a child behind his back. And if the judge thought he was unstable. Why allow him to walk around the streets with a gun? Just wondering
You three are condoning murder .He deliberately took his life. His daughter was in zero imminent danger. Every killer is under stress. The judges family now is under emotional stress .Do they get a free pass if they shoot the Sherrif outside the courtroom? Of course not. How many other people did the Sherrif shoot in his correer? Like you lost your minds.
He called his daughter or his wife on the Judges phone, who most likely tried to hide from the Sheriff, once dudes daughter or wife answered and didnt realize it was her father/husband on the other line...
I suspect he is either suffering with psychosis, or that he discovered his wife was having an affair with the Judge. Or maybe he was worried that the Judge was going to give his wife custody of their daughter. I’m not sure if he works Family or Criminal law. There _may_ be some extenuating circumstances. But, regardless, it was certainly 1st degree m/d/~r.
they took a break and the head investigator if u can call him that said there was video evidence. u would think they would say to the family members if they wanted to leave and come back in for the families sake.
Agreed. I live in eastern Ky and we dont call it Appalachia, its just home. Also, first time hearing Vinnie, is he always this over dramatic? Very weird beginning!
The Sheriff's family was trying to leave an abusive home and could not get any help from law enforcement because the abuser was the Sheriff. They reached out to the judge for help. The Sheriff confronted him and when he found the judge had communicated with his daughter, he lost it.
That's doesn't makes sense. Why would a Sheriff kill pedo judge, if his wife and daughter were leaving him. And sit in a jail cell for the rest of his life????
People are confusing her number being on the phone from the sheriff using the judges phone to call his daughter. That's alot different then the daughters number being saved as a contact.
Let me tell you, if this case leads to where it seems to be going the daughters phone number on the judge's phone is not evidence for the state, it's evidence in favor of the sheriff.
The daughter may have approached the judge regarding family misconduct, and the judge may have been counseling her. Reportedly the families knew each other.
The daughter should testify. She needs to say what was said in the phone conversation. *How* did she answer the phone when she thought it was the judge calling?
Most shocking bit to me is that the judge's chambers is a broom cupboard?? Why did I imagine a plush leather clad chair, snooker table for a desk and a dark wood extensive book shelf? Golf clubs, bust of benjamin franklin, tiffany lamp, globe style drinks case, and a robe stand - where's all that stuff?
Steins was probably a bully. The judge probably tried to intervene in an attempt to help the wife and daughter. The sheriff resembles an average bully. That’s the best I am able to guess.
they never say the number was IN the phone, only that he called from his phone and no answer and that he then called from the judges phone and she answered. Now it could have been in there or she simply could have answered because it was an unknown call. Unlike adults, children answer every call.
@@KRG414Why did she refuse her dad's call? They had left the sheriff weeks before. There's a reason for that. I suspect the judge told him at lunch he was, or had, signed an order of protection against him. The sheriff's family has said there was no sx aspect to this.
Thank you the number being in the phone versus on the phone is different. If the sheriff just called her on the judges phone then the number would be on the phone. Not stored in the phone
@@woowaptibam5253 it was already in the phone. KSP admitted that on the stand. They’re not worried about the number. Their concern is communication apps on both their phones that the cell phone service provider wouldn’t be able to give them the data on.
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Taking the law into your own hands never goes well
Whatever happened its not worth the death penalty
@@lloyddaley6169 No one's promised tomorrow. what would you do if you're under his daughter was messing with somebody over 50 years old? and if you're saying the opposite of what you would do; your lying. no man is going to throw his life away like that unless it's his wife, children, or money. so which of the three is it?
@@Jblaze024 This is much deeper than we will ever be told from a Corporate Media talking head. This whole country is covered with a veil of secrecy that was completely exposed in the 80s and 90s. 9/11 stopped the efforts to take the evil ones down
@@lloyddaley6169the sheriff thought it was? He murdered an unarmed man!
How to stretch out 5 minutes of Information into a 44 minute video.
😂 seriously!
vinnie is that guy. not sure how i ended up here because i unsubscribed ages ago. i just can’t with him.
It's barely tolerable after I switched my playback speed to 2x.
@@al1383 I was thinking the same thing. It’s like a kid trying to stretch out his book report by putting big spaces between words and adding very very at every turn
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This is exactly what I was suspecting from a lame outlet like Court TV.
I always learn more from the comments than the actual narrative. Thank you to all who comment. You save me time. 😊
Some contributors to the comments are clueless.
Yes I read in the comments your mother cleans taint at the truck stop. She is the best tain5 licker in the county
You’re not learning anything, you’re reading unfounded theories. Use critical thinking skills and rely on evidence. Everything else is conjecture.
Nobody knows anything true at this time.
You're kidding right?
This host drives me crazy with all the dramatic pauses. Speed it up bruh…
bigger drama queen than nancy grace
The pauses lead me to believe something is wrong with device if I am only listening 😊to
He tries to act like Nancy Grace but he cant quite pull it off.
Maybe a "light script"?
Vinnie is the best! Love all his comments! It's his show. Don't watch if you don't like it.
People were speculating abuse by the judge. But, it's just as possible the father was the abuser and the family went to the judge for help in getting separated from the father. The number of the daughter could have been in the phone because she was the one who initiated the request for help. The "kidnapping my wife and daughter" comment make more sense in that context.
No way. That judge was a total creep.
@@jefferyorton1723Did you know him personally?
That’s what I heard happened. So sad 😢
Sheriff stated upon his arrest that the judge and others were kidnapping his family. The daughters phone number was called by the sheriff using the judges phone . So it was on the phone but not saved as a contact. Something was going on, but it was not a sorted love affair. No perv. Action.
@@jefferyorton1723 well he was creepy looking, that does not make him a creep.
I want to learn about this case but I cannot force myself to sit here and listen to this man slowly dribble out the story with high school drama class talent.
Goodbye azzho
1.5 speed
1.5 to 2.0 speed.
Agreed. He really is one of the worst hosts out there. I always scroll through his mind numbingly annoying monologue.
2.0 speed. I don’t listen to any RUclips video on normal speed lol.
Vinnie’s ponderous, over-dramatic, repetitive speech gets on my nerves.
Exactly. I couldn’t finish the vid.,
Well no one forced you to listen to him. Just saying I think Vinnie is Great!
Who cares what you think @@genielynn3101
Play it at 2X speed. It sounds like a normal person speaking at that speed.
Yea. He's a tool.
all I want to say is no sheriff is going to commit that crime to a judge for one of his deputies. not going to happen. the actions of the sheriff are a result of either wife, children, or finances. which of the three is it?
That not all
It was sheriffs daughter... crazy !!
Could be either, some, or all. It can also include the situation with the his deputy. Sheriff could see his life crumbling and blamed the judge, or he just got enraged seeing his daughters number in the judge's phone thinking they're plotting against him. 🤷🏽♀️. We'll find out soon enough.
I heard he did it cause you were cleaning taint at the truck stop
Rumor mill has it that the judge was in a sexual relationship with the Sheriff’s underaged daughter.
Vinny…seriously? Dragging this out was exhausting.
“We learned a lot today “ continues to tell us the same thing we have been hearing since it happened
Untill court it's unlikely we will hear much new material because I'm sure he has a attorney
This guy is so melodramatic, it's annoying
Click bait ugh
@@freddiejay2512 It's new to me. 🤷🏽♀️
@@denisbenoit5289 You commented on my thought exactly. It's even worse in the short clip where he goes on about the puppet and its master, as if all crimes are controlled by criminal masterminds.
I saw some postings that the sheriff was abusive to his wife and she was planning on leaving him with her daughter. The judge was helping them. The sheriff learned about it and when his daughter didn’t answer his call but answered the judge’s call, he got the verification and snapped.
That makes the most sense since the family said it had nothing to do with the daughter being molested
Problem is internet hearsay. It's a phenomenon we are experiencing. Next thing is AI.
@@arielsea9087 I know what you mean. But this was from someone who knew the people involved but didn’t want to be identified now. It seems plausible to me that this sheriff was abusive just by how he killed the judge. Angry and flew off the handle. Imagine how he could be at home. I guess we’ll see.
May make some sense because that "lead detective" said that the sheriff while being arrested said something like " they're trying to kidnap my wife and daughter "
@@arielsea9087 You are spot on with the AI! It will be an uncompromising agent of chaos
Pay attention theyre telling you! The sheriffs family wouldnt answer for his own calls but when he borrowed the judges phone his daughter answered when he called. The sheriff didnt like the judge helping his family behind his back so once it was confirmed by his daughter answering the phone, he went back inside and shot him
Helping himself to the sheriff's daughter...
Wow so he shot him because he didn't like the judge going behind his back to help his wife and daughter, that's pretty unbelievable.
The Judge should have kept his nose out of other people's marriage if he was not assigned to it.
@@catsanddogs8983not at all if the reason they didn't answer the sheriff's call is because of abuse. There's not enough evidence available right now. Sheriff either took out a pedo or took out a man attempting to help victims of domestic abuse.
@@grahamalastairkrebs2241…way to out yourself as an abuser.
Local rumor is that the sheriffs wife and daughter are trying to flee him because he is a psychopath and the judge had agreed to help them.
He looks like a bully to me
This sounds likely but will never said in all this crap
Another rumor is that his wife was committing whoredom with the judge
Yep i live there.,... judge was helping his friends wife hide from him because he was abusive...the sheriff found out because he seen his wife and daughters number was on the judges phone...
@@greg4876 but what about the case of the sexual assault(s) in the judge's chambers by that other officer? I think we got consider what that was about too.
Don’t know if anyone heard the testimony like I did. When the defense attorney asked the “lead investigator” about the daughter’s phone number being “on the phone.” Did anyone else think that maybe the question should have been a little more specific? Like was the daughter’s phone number SAVED to the judge’s phone as a contact or just on the call log because the sheriff called her from it? That’s just the way my mind heard it yall.
You are CORRECT.
She worked for the Judge at the court.
Most bosses have employees numbers so to me that doesn't seem odd.
And it has been widely reported that the families were good friends and the Judge was like an uncle to her.
He specifically said the judge had called the daughters number
Was wondering this same exact thing! Saved contact or recent call? Which is it?
@@ohheyykristina you may need to hit the “read more” option on my original comment.
The biggest thing I learned is, I thought "judges quarters" were as fancy as the court room, it's literally a shitty office.
I think it’s just cause they’re in a small town and state w low funding, I’ve been in very nice judges chamber before with a couch and multiple seats in there
Well, that’s where the sex acts w inmates were taking place with the deputy go figure
Yes, and I thought I had it bad as a teacher!🤣
He was trapped in that tiny space and the sheriff still emptied the clip!
Lmao I thought the same
Word is his wife and daughter left him and that the Judge was helping them. We will find out who the dirtbag is soon enough.
Agree
Wow, major plot twist. Sheriff might actually be the villian
Another word is that the judge was forcing himself on the sheriff's daughter
Yea it's sad so many people are smearing him on a rumor. It would sum up 2024 in a nutshell if the man trying to help someone escape abuse ends up dead for it and people smear him as a creep.
Then why would they be sitting behind him in court supporting him then? You are FALSE!!!!
Even when a unarmed judge is killed in cold blood on camera the police apologist on court tv cant bring themselves to say the cop should get the same punishment as anyone else.
“They’re trying to kidnap my wife and daughter” would coincide with the rumor about the judge helping his wife get out of the marriage
I was told by someone close to the situation that the judge had some kind of blackmail scheme going against the wife and daughter of the sheriff and had coerced both of them into a sexual relationship with him. The sexual thing actually started when the daughter was underage, I haven't been able to confirm this but as I said the info came from a source close to the situation. Kentucky does have it's fair share of rouge law enforcers as well as crooked judges so I don't know.
@@kyleepape5058 well...she got out now. Such a shame it had to come this way.
It’s deeper than that,that judge was a Diddler! Everyone in town knows that.
All they had to do was leave. It's the safest way. He has to go to work sometime. Plan slowly. How did a judge allow him to find out he was helping his wife?
Bingo
His cadence drives me bananas. I have to watch him on 2X speed
Same. He's so annoying.
Usually, I just avoid anything with him in it.
more drama queen than nancy grace
It seems like he is waiting on the teleprompter… needs to study news cadence. Also could zoom out of his still shot just a tad
And lip smacking🫤😫
Me too. 2x speed and it was like a normal person speaking
I see a man comfortable with his decision.
I see an idiot about to go to prison
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@@phiakate if someone was messing with my kid, I’d be comfortable too
As any parent would if they find out that someone was molesting or harming their child in anyway! If those rumors are true that the judge was having inappropriate contact with an underage girl that father did exactly what any good father would have done
@@lisastringfellow8524. IF the rumors are true. I’m from a small town not too far away from here and any little thing that happens is like a game of telephone. The story changes and gets bigger overtime with each retelling. Lord knows what actually happened. The gossip mills run overtime in these little towns.
I am confident he won't be getting manslaughter for this. Even if the judge acted against him in some way he was no threat. This guy needs to be on lock down for the rest of his days. He betrayed all trust as a sheriff.
Well, the kindergarten cop is now the sheriff. The deputy assigned to the judge only received 6 months for rape of at least 2 women.
This is an Appalachian town, with a population of 1,170. Anyone who
lives in a larger town, can’t begin to understand the social dynamics of
a town under 2000. I went from living in L.A. to a tiny town of 7000
in the middle of nowhere. I have to drive over an hour to get to a UPS
store, or a “chain” restaurant, or auto repair shop. We have a Walmart
that sells groceries. It’s a different life, and I can guarantee you those
Townspeople know what’s been going on, whether they chose to talk
about it or not it.
I thought all Walmarts sold groceries? lol I understand your point though as I grew up in a small town.
Yep, that's been almost my entire life. Raised in a town of 1,000, I now live in a town of 400. There are no secrets.
@@DL-cs6fz THIS!!!💯
I also live in a small town of about 2500 in the midwest. I back your guarentee that
everyone knows something.
The sheriff made 6 figures in a town that small? Crazy good union.
"Kidnap"...meaning the Sheriff's wife was leaving him & taking the kid with her. I saw the comment that the judge was helping them flee an abusive situation, so if that's the case he did get them away from their abuser. Cost him his life.
He found out that his wife and daughter were trying to get away from him. Why are you not reporting that they had left him before this happened. The motive is obvious he wanted to prevent them leaving. Not kidnapped but rescued.
Vinny should be checking the court records for the injunction for protection filed
Before now the rumors and speculation was molestation. Can't take comments as factual information.
@@bftvclips8925exactly why I don't believe rumors
Yes. Makes the most sense. P.S. my own father tried to kidnap me and my mother when she left him.
Vinnie likes to DRAG everything out for money . He barely tells anything new in these videos. I wish they would get rid if him and change their approach to this channel. They won't though . They make so much money off views for telling us what we already know lolol
I also think the mother was communicating with judge for the divorce threw her daughter's phone so the father (sheriff) wouldn't know
The most dangerous time is when a victim is leaving.
True
Yep. Along with the fact a victim will attempt to exit the abuser at least 8 times before they get away. However, many cases end in some form of violence.
Very sad statistic. 😢
Yep. Very dangerous.
Why are you saying this and others saying the judge was assaulting his daughter
Maybe the judge was communicating to the Sheriff's wife through the daughter's phone because the Sheriff was monitoring his wife's phone. Just a plausible theory.
if its how it was as some explain it then a very plausible answer you give
I thought the same thing
I am not supposed to judge a book by its cover…I know. But, the picture of the deceased judge leads me to think he was a caring soul. I think your theory is spot on.
Judge was sleeping with daughter
@@MaxSand-i4n any evidence of that
Wife left a month prior to shooting, neighbors said he was acting strange the last few months.
Do you think the Sheriff got on drugs?
Maybe the wife was having an affair with the judge. In my heart of hearts, I just don’t believe the sheriff abused his wife or daughter. I just think the judge has creepy all over him, I am sorry to family, but just being honest.
That is rubbish
Is this fact? Source?
@@Thewitchesflame not true if wife and daughter are afraid of him why would they be sitting in court behind him supporting him and why would a family member have a GoFundMe up for the family?
I think that whole scandal in the chambers earlier on ran way deeper than everyone let on
Ease up on the “Dramatic Pauses” Vinnie. Just tell the story!
He can't help himself. It's truly annoying.
Lead investigator was trying to hide their cards.....If he really knows that little, they need a new lead investigator!
He seems compromised.
I think it would be difficult to investigate people you know, or work closely with. Not a typical investigation. But I WAS surprised by how little he had investigated this in preparation for court.
Did anyone else notice that when Stamper was called as a witness, the judge addressed him as "Clay", then corrected himself to his full name.
@@juliew6229 ikr I think this case needs to be Adjudicated in another county as this small town is too close for comfort to be fair and just in their verdict.
You don't reveal all of your evidence at a preliminary hearing. Just enough to get past probable cause which the video alone did.
Everyone is on the internet trying to guess what happened, but the Sheriff knows exactly what happened. Since the cops are so honest and upstanding, why doesn't the sheriff clear the whole thing up?
Maybe to protect his family or if there was a sexual situation, to protect his daughter
If he is not wanting to clear it all up, he may have a lot to hide and feels loads of guilt? And also may think he can get in less trouble if he stays quiet? Idk
@@karintolbert7452 Well, yeah. It's in his best interests to stay silent.
I was 25 years in law enforcement 12 as an administrator on a PD; I worked as a paralegal law clerk for a District Court Judge after during my pursuit of degree as a Legal Assistant. I lived in the same small town but in North Dakota, same population, county seat, district court judge. Looking at what happened makes me think back to the 70's when a Sheriff down in that area had a particularly hard time with his people, his name was Bufford Pusser. Wonder if the same type situation may be happening now.
Thank u for your service Sir
"Walking Tall" - the film about a powerful, enigmatic sheriff who dealt with mobsters, was based on Pusser. I believe was seen, by locals, as something of a bully. He vowed to capture or kill all members of the "Dixie Mafia"d for the death of his wife, Pauline, who was shot during a drive-by meant to kill Pusser.
Several people from Letcher County have said that the sheriff's wife was seeking a divorce and the Judge was trying to help her. Supposedly, the sheriff has a past of domestic violence and control issues and he was upset that the judge was trying to help his wife procure a divorce.
Then there would’ve been paperwork to back that up. No, that judge had the Sheriff’s teenage daughter’s phone number. Not the wife’s. Couple that with the kidnapping comment and It’s pretty evident what was going on. The judge was either stalking the daughter or had an inappropriate relationship with her. A divorce isn’t going to cause the Sheriff to do what he did in the way he did it.
The wife/daughter were victims & were leaving the sheriff???? The same wife/daughter who were sitting behind the sheriff in court??????
@@leonskum7705makes very little sense l agree.
@@QueenLOVE79 I agree with your comment, and let me add my two cents. I suspect that the Sheriff 's daughter was not answering her dad's phone calls, or why would he had to use the Judge's phone to call his daughter? Maybe there was an inappropriate relationship between the Judge and the Sheriff ' s daughter. To me, the Sheriff seems a decent man and a protective dad and husband.
@@TheDeborah0101 your way off....the judge was a pedophile who was calling and messaging the sheriff's underage daughter
I haven’t heard or seen anyone mention the fact that the family came out and said it had nothing to do with the daughter being molested.
I understand that the SIL of the Sheriff’s wife denied SA of his daughter on a Go Fund Me created to raise $ for his defense.
@@Nurse_Kathyif it was the sister in law of the sheriffs wife, wouldn’t that make it the sheriffs sister?
@@augormasterson9312 could be her brother's wife also!
@@kae2275 Both would be a sister in law.
I don’t know the judges wife looks like she could be his sister just saying.
I read that the wife and daughter left him a month before the shooting. The judge helped the family and the sheriff were jealous and decided to kill the judge? The mother and daughter have denied that there were any sexual assaults going on.
A sheriff who knew his deputy was assaulting women in the judges chambers was a domestic abuser? I'm shocked I tell you. Shocked
Where did you hear this from? Which source? I have not seen this on any credible site. Also, he has 2 daughters, one will be 17 this December and the other appears to be a bit older than the other one.
We will know when it comes out,these things take time prayers for both families,children
@@hariseldon2450 , Once he made that comment about his wife and daughter I knew it wasn’t SA. I have feelings that he was probably abusive.
The sheriff used the judges phone before the murder and realized his family answered the phone when they thought the judge was calling but wouldn't answer the sheriffs call so he went back in shooting
just because the Sherriff found his daughter's number on the judge's phone does NOT give him the OK to shoot him
Thanks captain obvious 🙄
The host is almost un bearable to listen to. All those pauses.
HEY RESPECT VINNIE'S NICE @$$!
He loved his daughter and wife so much that in order to keep them safe he guaranteed that he will never be around to protect them. Makes perfect sense.
That’s not the motive that’s a conspiracy.
Nahh it aint
So true. Maybe it wasn’t love but feeling his property getting away.
RIGHT. Because it's not true. People just pulling $hit out of their asshole. BS.
The sheriff has an unapologetic demeanour about him. Seems that he believes he was justified in his actions.
I live about an hour from this. Thank you Vinnie for covering this.
❤
Judge facilitating the sheriff’s wife and daughter’s ‘escape’ from abusive situation (to a battered women’s shelter? )… sheriff’s decided to construe this as attempting to ‘kidnap’ his wife and child
But then why are they in court sitting behind him?
I never thought of this
@@TheSingingGardener They might have felt awkward or uncertain about sitting by the family of the judge since he was allegedly murdered trying to help them? Or sometimes you still care about a horrible abuser, even if you are trying to escape. Maybe both.
They have to sit somewhere. I doubt the judges' side would have been very welcoming of them.
Then why are they sitting in on his side of the court room?
The daughter could have been trying to report her father for something, but couldn't exactly go to the sheriff's department if that was the case. Domestic violence is extremely common in the homes of police officers and the sheriff clearly has violent tendencies.
@@christopheraaron8299 could the judge have been doing something to the Sheriff's daughter? All of this is just so odd
@@ChrisJohnson-hk6es Possibly, but there's no information to support such an assertion at this point. There's not a lot of information in general on this case.
Exactly!
Or maybe she was getting pounded out by the judge?
With respect, you don’t know what you’re talking about. There are other podcasts which have already been made public.
Maybe judge was helping them escape a DV situation.
Good catch! I had never considered DV, but that comment about kidnapping makes sense now.
That's what I've seen, apparently the sheriff borrowed the judges phone and when he realize his own family would answer the phone for the judge but not for him, he lost it
I’ve read the judge was having a relationship with the sheriff’s under age daughter.
@@bbe3034 not true.
@@bbe3034. Hard to imagine 🙄
This whole department is dirty. Good 'ol boy network in action.
Something is fishy here. Why would the lead investigator not ask what the conversation was about before the shooting took place. Something is being covered up here
oh please there's always some lady with the comments
He asked hes just not saying I'm sure
He did ask I think
According to a news article I read. The Judge was having a sexual relationship with the sheriff's UNDERAGE daughter.
Not being hidden /covered up.... keeping their cards close to their vest until the investigation is completed.
It's very possible that the judge did nothing wrong and this sheriff did this over jealously.
true
Yeah…so, a judge isn’t supposed to secretly take your family away. There’s a process and he didn’t follow it.
@@KRG414if rumors are true (rumors are partly true and not) if the EX-sheriff was abusive,then no you aren't just going to walk out the door and things done in secret happen for situations like that all the time.
@@stephenbarabas6286 I didn’t say family members can’t secretly leave the husband. However, if the judge implemented himself into the situation, he, as a judge, jeopardized ANY LEGAL ACTION taken from there on. And what I mean by that is that he could not legally preside over their case. He would have had to recuse himself. He did not follow protocol.
There’s more to the story that’s not being told. Wifey and judge were up to something deeper than her leaving her husband. The secrecy is the key when there are other legal avenues any sane judge would have told her to pursue, like file for divorce, get a restraining order or protection order, get enough essentials and stay at an undisclosed location. The fact that the rumor is that the judge was helping her leave in secrecy should be the key to all of this. They were already in too deep somewhere else and somehow got the daughter involved (probably manipulation, married women are masters at it and married women cheat WAY more than you’d realize). Problem is, sheriff may have a hard time proving anything beyond reasonable doubt since our current culture is “all cops bad” and “believe all women.”
@LigmaBallz91 The process is a protective order. The judge signing it IS the process. Then the alleged victims leave, and defendant has no contact until the hearing. If the victims are truly afraid for their lives they DO leave in secret BEFORE the defendant is served.
The idea the judge was doing something with the daughter doesn't work. The sheriff would have outright said that and it would have been the headline. The idea that the sheriff's wife and kid might have been abused and where trying to leave him actually fits more since the sheriff is staying awfully quiet. The second scenario of anger issues and such also fits unloading a gun on a friend without a sign of remorse.
It was the X Sheriff that was abusive to his wife and daughter
and *were trying to leave.
The sheriff is staying quiet because he works in the system. At no point ever under any conditions even if you're completely innocent should you speak to the police if you're the subject of an investigation. You only speak through a lawyer
ANYTHING You say can and WILL be used AGAINST you
@@KRG414ofc. But what makes the most sense is what op stated. There's not enough available evidence to draw a reasonable conclusion right now but I'm with op until something shows otherwise
@@KRG414btw. You might wanna fix your double negative because you're actually saying he's guilty
When you’re from a small town such as this, you understand that not everyone is held to the standard of the law. It’s absolutely possible that a judge could have an inappropriate relationship with a sheriffs daughter (speculation only) without recourse. Those in power are protected even more so than usual, in small towns.
The sheriff made himself judge, jury, and executioner.
I see it is as capital punishment
No he didn't he was elected.
U forgot prosecutor
@@t.h.8475 no he didn't he was elected.
@@tommymyers3183 Not elected to murder people.
It’s a domestic thing. Y’all aren’t telling us anything new. Good commenters though. I bet judge was helping mother and daughter. Daughter wouldn’t answer dad’s call.
AMERICAN POLICE
@@janedixon8491 this commenter is fit only to WRITE copy
It appears that the Sheriff couldn’t accept rejection from his wife and the Judge was trying to help his wife and daughter leave him. If this is true that is the cause for the murder but it’s never a reason to commit such a horrible crime. I think the Judge told the wife of the Sheriff in a text message that he would send Deputys to help her and the daughter leave and that is where the kidnapping part comes in to play. It appears that the Sheriff was never going to let his wife and daughter leave him and they were probably the next target.
I think if this is true they wouldn’t be sitting behind him in court
That really doesn't make sense. If he didn't want his family broken up, he wouldn't resign himself to life in prison.
The alleged grooming and abuse of the daughter makes more sense. He may have had it under another name
@@ProudCanadian-vv6bk the abuse story sounds like BS. The sheriff is dirty. We already know he covered for his deputy who was raping women at the courthouse at night and is named in a lawsuit. And now he shoots a judge. He's the criminal.
I heard the same thing
@@gidgetrose9251we dont know that they were
Since when is a police officer (lead investigator?) so nervous and shifty when giving testimony in a preliminary hearing for murder?
This case is just another extremely strong argument for why audio & visual photography filming should be allowed in court rooms and all government funded buildings through federal dollars.
I do not think the sheriff believed his wife/daughter were in extreme danger due to being kidnapped...I believe they were going to be spirited away because they WANTED to get away from him. Still could be extreme emotional turmoil because the sheriff was about to lose control of his family. Just a fair guess from someone who has watched domestic violence cases unfold more than once.
Two facts, the Sheriff is very violent and he allows women to be sexually abused, so I agree
I agree with you. I think the sheriff wanted to keep his “property” and the judge was helping them get away.
The sheriff is clearly guilty and no justifiable excuse! I believe the sheriff lost all self control over his pending separation.
If that’s true the Grand Jury can bring a Manslaughter charge. Special circumstances. Crime of passion.
Eh, forming that conclusion with such little information is called conjecture. It does look bad for him, but we don't know all the facts or how the facts we do know tie together. We know very little at this point, all we could do is speculate.
Why would his impending divorce be relevant to The Judge having his minor daughter's phone number?
@@SheldonRobert-x8o Rumor has it the sheriff's wife was leaving him (because like most cops, he's abusive) and was taking the daughter with her. Supposedly the judge was helping to get them out safely.
I don't know if it's true or not, that's just the rumor.
@@christopheraaron8299
If I were the only Judge in such a small community, who would likely be overseeing the Divorce proceedings, then that's weird..
And is his wife having an affair with the Judge that might be overseeing that Divorce Proceeding?
Either way, a little girl's phone number should not be on the phone the Judge.
Why is there a trial, he murdered the judge, it's on video, it don't matter if there was a "reason" in the eyes of the Sheriff. Murder is murder. Why a trial?
You must live in China.
A trial is not just about what he did, or if he did it. A trial is for a jury or judge to determine WHAT charge best fits the crime.
The state can charge the sheriff with Murder 1, but then the jury decides that Murder 2 better fits the crime, which is a passion killing, not a pre-planned spontaneous killing.
Those two murders have vastly different lengths of prison.
You don't just show a 4 minute video and then throw them in prison. That's not how our legal system works.
A "crazy mad" parent still has no right to take another's life. He made himself judge, jury and executioner. I think we need to hear some actual facts instead of conjecture.
The key word" crazy mad" . Couldn't think straight. A mad dog bite its owner too.
If the judge was sleeping with his underage daughter he had every right to do it
@KevinAskin The sheriff's wife and daughter had left him the month before. The sheriff's family has said there was no sa. It's more likely the judge was helping them obtain an order of protection from him. They refused to answer the phone from the sheriff but answered for the judge. The statement about kidnapping his family appears to bear this scenario out as being more likely.
@@KevinAskinThat's false. They stated the Sheriff wife was leaving him for abuse. The judge wasn't sleeping with the daughter.
@@thedarksideoftheforce6658 who is ‘they’?
Interesting that people are assuming that the sheriff's actions were justified. Or that the victim (judge) MUST have done something to drive the sheriff to murder him.
I'm almost certain the sheriff's buddies are spreading those lies. It was spreading like wildfire 2 minutes after the shooting. Sheriff was being investigated for misconduct of his subordinates
That was my line of thought. Taking a Birds Eye view now, I think the former Sheriff might be a dirtbag on top of killing a judge.
This has been devastating for our little community, being a neighbor and friend to the stines family my brain is fried from all of this because I just can’t wrap my brain around it all. I hate it so bad for both families and for those of us who knew these men personally as friends, neighbors and even family.
Do you think the judge was a little weird? since you knew both of them right?
Why won’t anyone tell us what happened? I believe the sheriff snapped for some reason.
@@agds91078 I’m so sorry for the struggle yall are going through. I cannot even imagine how yall are coping. We don’t stop to think about friends and neighbors and kin.
Wow, Someone knows what really happened. I am sorry for your loss and pain.
I’m sorry for your loss and also the loss of your friendship with Stines.
If you haven't lived in a small town, you wouldn't understand. Secrets run generations.
If he was protecting his daughter from what he deems as a threat, how was he going to protect her now? When he's behind bars.
the threat has been taken care of
@@clayton56tube🤦♀️
@@clayton56tubeHE was the one they needed protecting from!
Looks like the judge was possibly in talks for a protection order cos his wife and daughter left him the month before and Stines family has also CLEARLY stated there was NO inappropriate sexual harrassment.
The threat has gone
A hot head doesn't think that far ahead.....he lives in the here and now....
Mother and daughter were trying to get away from an abusive and controlling cop. The Judge was helping them, as he often did with other members of the community, and the Sheriff was outraged and jealous, so he killed the judge. He is no hero.
If that’s true why are they sitting behind him supporting him ?
@@NancyHampton-w6j
Exactly! 👍 people are making stupid assumptions that make no sense!
Why the GFM for him if that's the case?
@@NancyHampton-w6j because people often have a hard time accepting and dealing with someone they once cared about, murdering people? why did the step dad carly greg shot, defend her? why do the parents of her mom, the woman she murdered, support her? i would say because they are weak. same thing with these people. they are weak. they have also came out and said publicly that the daughter was not being abused. so the narrative used to support him also doesnt make any sense. and yet, i dont see you questioning that
AHHHHH try again.
Since everyone is speculating, has the possibility been considered that maybe Judge had video implicating the sheriff in the ongoing proceedings of sexual misconduct in the chambers?
Could be because these other idiots speculations make zero sense with the wife and daughter right there in court supporting the sheriff! 🤦♀️ amazes me how dumb people are!
@@Juke582 ah yes, bc victims never stay w their abusers, right?
@@Juke582 You assuming the wife and daughter were there in court for support of the X Sheriff
The main rumor I've seen is the sheriff was abusive to his family and the judge was helping his wife divorce him. The sheriff used the judges phone and called his own family so when they answered for the judge but not for his calls, he lost it and shot the judge. That's why he borrowed his phone before the shooting but who knows the truth unless someone comes out with the facts
@@LewisBrazelzThe main rumor I've heard is that the judge was diddling the sheriff's daughter
So this fool ate lunch with the judge then killed him?!
So a wife manages to escape an alleged controlling, abusive husband and father, who happens to be the sheriff of a small town, with her teenage child/children. Somewhere along the way, judge Mullins becomes an ally for the mother's cause. Unless some unseemly association exists concerning the judge's actions, the trusting sap in me wants to believe the judge's motives were noble. From that point of view, it would be entirely acceptable for him to have their contact info in the event any of them needed to reach out to him for assistance in their struggles. Failure of the daughter to answer dad's call then immediately answering a call from the judge's phone speaks volumes. Secondly, even if the first shot was passion driven, the following pauses and continued salvos were cold and calculated to result in death.
Read that the Sheriff had lost a good amount of weight which usually happens during a marital break up in my experience and what I have read from the locals. So if the Judge was helping his wife/child...why kill him? because he had a gun/felt he was justified. I have heard many times I am going to kill him but they have no gun near them making that statement.
Most people cool off...hence why guns are taken out of the home or off the person...nobody get's shot.
I have know of a few individuals shot but they don't keep shooting until he knows this person is dead, dead, dead...3 times we witnesses the officer shooting until he felt the judge was dead.
Something else is going down JMO
I don't think that investigator is being completely transparent. He knows alot more,they are having to pull every bit of information from him.
Thats why the state of KY should not be investigating this. IT should be the FBI.
This is a preliminary hearing, they only need to disclose enough information to convince the judge that the charges are warranted.
Agreed he seem to be backpedaling.
I don’t trust any of them except for that sheriff.
@@shellycaldwell617 Ah yes let the most corrupt entity investigate.
The sheriff didn’t seem very remorseful it’s as if he feels justified by his actions. Mind blowing 🤯 how an officer of the law could loose his control and kill a judge in his own chambers. It’s as if the sheriff’s last ditch attempt for control boy what a disgraceful pathetic man and still blaming the victim
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Dad's have the right to defend their daughter's.
Maybe the judge was going to grant a Restraining Order to the sheriff’s wife and daughter. Maybe the sheriff was so butthurt that he was losing his control that he decided to take his anger out on the judge. 🤷🏻♀️
Very possible we will know soon trial starts this month.
@@davidwilliams4498 There is no way the trial will even start this year!
But why only have minors phone number, not adult wife? If he's helping her, children shouldn't be involved.
The sheriff used the judges phone before shooting him, the rumor is he called his family and realized they wouldn't answer his calls but they picked up when he called from the judges phone. So he went back in and shot
As far as I know, nobody can talk directly to the Judge about their cases specifically if you know them personally. And if the Judge know them personally, they need to excuse themselves from the case and have another Judge handle it.
They need to move that case out of that county because they’re all crooks
After the sheriff was arrested, he stated to law enforcement that “They are trying to kidnap my wife and kid.” That sounds like the sheriff’s wife was attempting to leave him and the judge may have been helping her.
They had already left. The killer claimed they were kidnapped to place blame on the judge
Nobody seems to want to mention facts about the daughters age. If she's not 18. I would think the father probably already knew of a inappropriate situation and confirmed it with the phone and acted like a Dad would. This sheriff seems like a good guy. The judge looks like a. .... To me
. 🧐. We will see?
Reporters aren't supposed to be drama queens........just the facts, ma'am.
You sound like a drama queen.
@@nomdeguerre247 I do? Hmmm....maybe I switch careers and become a reporter?
@@nomdeguerre247 You sound like a drama princess
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Huh. A police that refuses to wait for justice & takes it into his own hands. Its almost like I've heard this story before....
You have
No matter what the why turns out to be. He's guilty as hell.
You definitely don't want jury duty, do ya?
He is literally on film shooting the judge.
Did ya read the Kentucky statute on the definitions of guilt that Vinnie put up on the screen?
@@marcbahn5487
Did you see the whole video? Very disturbing
CORRUPTED AMERICA
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The chief doesn't look like he has regret
Would you have regret if you found out someone was molesting your child? Which is bring alleged in Whitesburg according to my relatives who live near there!
@@IzzyBee222 absolutely not.
@DonnaLynn73 is this factual ? I haven't been following this trial too much
@@IzzyBee222 Put up th evidence you have of that or quit spreading false information.
@@namastea It’s alleged by others in the community.
wow this think tank is ridiculous, her phone number wasnt in the judges phone until Stines called the number because his phone didnt work, they just said that in court. Vinny invented that fact that the daughters number was already in the phone. The sherriff is a defendant in the 2022 trial from the actual 2 victims that were ignored by Stines. Its all avaliable online. The daughter and mother and family denied any abuse online from the judge before today, thats already available online. The case has nothing to do with the judges phone. The mental illness is the stress of losing his job to the 2022 case. The judge refused to drop his case.
No.
The 2022 two victims....one is deceased a few days before her lawyer filed lawsuit...rumor drug OD...I think that is strange
It broke my heart hearing the wails from the judge's widow. I hope the sheriff hears everyday for the rest of his life.
That judge was doing something wrong. When the wife finds out, she might stop crying for her husband.
@@auntbee1959 maybe & maybe not! Just bcz the Judge got killed doesn't necessarily mean he was up to no good. And regardless...even IF that former sheriff discovered the judge was up to no good with his daughter...the LAW states that they should be *arrested & tried for their crimes*, not shot dead on-the-spot. Now we all know that former sheriff was *not* deserving of the job he had. He obviously has a violent temper & impulse control problems. And you're over here obliquely rooting for that former sheriff? smdh
They are some privileged bourgeois people! Anyone else would have been told to stop that or do all that crying outside or told to control themselves!
@@Corinne-v9cand if the judge was up to no good involving the Sherrif’s daughter? All bets are off when protecting your family from corrupt officials that rarely are held accountable.
He's a murderer if he has a casual luncheon with the victim, hours before the crime was committed!
This detective seems he doesn't want to be there.
Would you? He's probably worked with both of the people involved.
lazy detective
He doesn't. He keeps calling the sheriff by his first name; they know each other. Even if they're not best buds, it has to be uncomfortable for the detective to be investigating someone he has worked with.
@@ChelleLlewes That's why their redneck asses should have called the FBI to investigate the case!
Sheriff is off his rocker.
Why did the judge have his daughter’s phone number in his phone?
you know why? I guarantee you she was sending naughty pictures to the judge and that's what the sheriff seen or he called her number and she answered. whatever the case is good friends don't have their kids number in their phone.
That's the million dollar question!! I think we all know why. She is 17 yrs. Old
@@garfield2439 No, we don't KNOW why. We just speculate.
Is that a rhetorical question? Do you already think you know why? Did you learn that the sheriff said something about the judge trying to kidnap his wife and daughter? Could it be possible that the judge was trying to help them get away from a domestic violence situation? The general public doesn’t know the details yet!
@@barbiekat6352 that may be possible. But.... he is the judge. Why wouldn't he go about it the correct way? Why pretend to be his friend through the day and behind the chiefs back talk to a child behind his back. And if the judge thought he was unstable. Why allow him to walk around the streets with a gun? Just wondering
You three are condoning murder .He deliberately took his life. His daughter was in zero imminent danger. Every killer is under stress. The judges family now is under emotional stress .Do they get a free pass if they shoot the Sherrif outside the courtroom? Of course not. How many other people did the Sherrif shoot in his correer? Like you lost your minds.
No one, for no reason, gets to be judge, jury, and executioner. No excuses.
Unless you are crazy mad.
Why state the obvious.
why did you only show the 10-second clip of that video that camera is rolling 24/7 you should have shown 5 minutes prior
I agree, but I dont think it's been released. THAT is what we need to see. The interaction BEFORE the shooting.
Hasn’t been released.
The prosecuter only played those few secs in the courtroom, so we don't have the rest of the video.
It is only a hearing to keep x sheriff in jail. what they showed is proper. This was not a trial.
Why do they need to show the whole video at this point? It's a preliminary hearing.
He called his daughter or his wife on the Judges phone, who most likely tried to hide from the Sheriff, once dudes daughter or wife answered and didnt realize it was her father/husband on the other line...
That rumour is rubbish
I suspect he is either suffering with psychosis, or that he discovered his wife was having an affair with the Judge.
Or maybe he was worried that the Judge was going to give his wife custody of their daughter. I’m not sure if he works Family or Criminal law.
There _may_ be some extenuating circumstances. But, regardless, it was certainly 1st degree m/d/~r.
The Court didn’t give any warning to the family/spectators before showing the video. It was shocking.
they took a break and the head investigator if u can call him that said there was video evidence. u would think they would say to the family members if they wanted to leave and come back in for the families sake.
Right! I was shocked by that video! Wasn’t expecting to witness an execution!
It's called a preliminary examination.....evidence is shown. Family knew!
They already knew what s on video. They wanted to see
That’s not their job. They knew their dad was shot.
The locals don’t call that part of the country “Appalachia.”
Or mispronounce it.
The only people who call it that are the people who have never set foot there.
I hear it on the radio station
Agreed. I live in eastern Ky and we dont call it Appalachia, its just home. Also, first time hearing Vinnie, is he always this over dramatic? Very weird beginning!
Right..sounds like yankees..😂😂
The Sheriff's family was trying to leave an abusive home and could not get any help from law enforcement because the abuser was the Sheriff. They reached out to the judge for help. The Sheriff confronted him and when he found the judge had communicated with his daughter, he lost it.
yeah seems like the sheriff was trying keep something from coming out
it fatty was paranoid
That's doesn't makes sense. Why would a Sheriff kill pedo judge, if his wife and daughter were leaving him. And sit in a jail cell for the rest of his life????
@@lisasisk3713 I'm saying he wasn't a pedo judge. He was in contact with the sheriff's family who were trying to leave him
@@richardburchett Yes he WAS. NO more. This pedo crap is prevalent everywhere not just in the podunk town. The Ultimate Judge will Judge this POS.
If the wife was leaving the sheriff wouldn’t her number be on the judges phone instead of the daughters? Just asking.
Not if it was the daughter who reached out to him. We also don't know that the wife's number wasn't also on his phone.
People are confusing her number being on the phone from the sheriff using the judges phone to call his daughter. That's alot different then the daughters number being saved as a contact.
He was most likely keeping a really close eye on his wife's phone.
@@woowaptibam5253 Very true.
Let me tell you, if this case leads to where it seems to be going the daughters phone number on the judge's phone is not evidence for the state, it's evidence in favor of the sheriff.
The daughter may have approached the judge regarding family misconduct, and the judge may have been counseling her. Reportedly the families knew each other.
@@IndianOutlaw1870 I'm sure We are all going to find out soon enough.
Thanks Vinnie for covering this. You are one of only two people from Court tv I trust
The daughter should testify. She needs to say what was said in the phone conversation. *How* did she answer the phone when she thought it was the judge calling?
Most shocking bit to me is that the judge's chambers is a broom cupboard?? Why did I imagine a plush leather clad chair, snooker table for a desk and a dark wood extensive book shelf? Golf clubs, bust of benjamin franklin, tiffany lamp, globe style drinks case, and a robe stand - where's all that stuff?
It's Kentucky. Enough said 🤦♀️
It's a podunk town.
We need to hear from mom and daughter. ! Stop speculating !
I know right and the fact that theyre being shut out like they are just leads me to believe this is nothing but an outright cover up
This is a cover up all the way. The mom and daughter know why this happened
Steins was probably a bully. The judge probably tried to intervene in an attempt to help the wife and daughter. The sheriff resembles an average bully. That’s the best I am able to guess.
they never say the number was IN the phone, only that he called from his phone and no answer and that he then called from the judges phone and she answered. Now it could have been in there or she simply could have answered because it was an unknown call. Unlike adults, children answer every call.
Every call but her dads? She knew who it was.
According to local news here in Kentucky her number was saved in the judges phone.
@@KRG414Why did she refuse her dad's call? They had left the sheriff weeks before. There's a reason for that. I suspect the judge told him at lunch he was, or had, signed an order of protection against him. The sheriff's family has said there was no sx aspect to this.
Thank you the number being in the phone versus on the phone is different. If the sheriff just called her on the judges phone then the number would be on the phone. Not stored in the phone
@@woowaptibam5253 it was already in the phone. KSP admitted that on the stand. They’re not worried about the number. Their concern is communication apps on both their phones that the cell phone service provider wouldn’t be able to give them the data on.