Patrick, Just a bit of advice from a mech. engineer/machinist. I would find a good wooden dowel, rubber pin (for compliant feel) for the sanding of the ID (internal diameter). I have seen a finger nearly spun off in our shop years ago. it was not a ring but all the same. The machinist was sanding the ID just as you shown, problem was for our machinist, his finger got stuck. Very easy to do. it spun his finger, dislocating the tip of his finger at the joint, tore and ripped the flesh, and burnt the rest like a 600rpm Indian burn (friction burn). We think it was the blood from the injury, that lubed up the finger tip enough to let it loose from the piece part. He ended up leaving the machinist field and our company. But I do believe he ended up loosing his index finger at the first knuckle. Those lathes have a tremendous amount of torque and can do crazy damage to soft tissue. Love your videos, just wanted to give a quick safety tip. (I started playing with machine tools in my dads shop at the ripe old age of 13. so loads of years behind those cranks.)
He showed the actual speed of his lathe during the sanding process at one point, and it was very slow, something like 50-60 rpm, and he says he always has his other hand on the e-stop in addition. While it could still be potentially dangerous, at speeds that low, he would have no problem hitting the e-stop before he actually hurts himself. However, handling that acid without gloves on was pointlessly unsafe, especially since he didn't seem to dilute it with water or anything. And then he "neutralized" the acid with just water, which only dilutes it and doesn't neutralize it. He should have had something a little more basic to rinse the ring, like baking soda. Another thing - he really shouldn't be wearing a ring while he works on the lathe. He may not be sanding at high speeds, but he must be cutting at high speeds. High rpm + jewelry = bad time if you like keeping your skin on your finger.
So this your guys forgot about turning steel or woods on lathes the slower the rpm the more dangers are at play. I have the same lathe as Patrick and i too make rings and im guilty of putting my fingrts inside the jaw clamps. Faster you go less chances your finger will make it in. My finger on my left got smashed off one day at Everett WA. Commercial Airline building company. Can say the name. I'm not a mechanic or a machinest but i do know by expanding my fingers falling into the jaws and it just pushes them away . Hay Patrick where do we get new timing builts for our lathes its a XT 136 70 tooth 1.5mm wide . Mine got ripped up
So Patrick, the way etching works is that 2 types of steel are in Damascus, a high carbon and one with a higher nickel content, the steel with a higher nickel content resists the etch better than the carbon steel. That's how you get the patterns, that and how it's folded
How do you prevent rust? I've used white vinegar, ferric chloride, and gun bluing solution for etching, all a little different- I'm a blacksmith and have made a few 200 layer twist rings with 15n20 and 1080 carbon, but other then casting silver to the inside I have not figured out how to stop the rust. I'd like to leave it without silver as the pattern inside is awesome
I'm assuming this steel is mild or high carbon steel and not stainless. So, it must be subject to rust and oxidization. How do you ensure that the steel won't rust/oxidize from the moisture of a customers finger? Don't you need to seal it?
Awesome work! Do you coat your Damascus rings with polyurethane or something like that? Since Damascus has high carbon steel in it (the part that gets black when etched), it can rust when on someone's finger. I was wondering if you saw that being a problem with leaving rust spots on skin.
Can you do a video making a ring out of a flat billet? I am buying a piece of scrap from a prominent maker of some of the best, most beautiful Damascus chef's knives in the world, and I want to make a ring out of it, but it's a flat piece rather than a tube, and I don't have a forge
Hello, Thank you for great video! I have one question: I ordered damascuss rod using link provided, but it has no center hole. It's solid. I have difficulty drilling center hole. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you!
If you work with Damascus steel more you should get in contact with +Alec Steele on RUclips. He makes his own Damascus steel and he is a British blacksmith.
Patrick Adair Designs In knife making it's a fairly common thing! Beautiful design btw! Shame the contrast between the two metals wasn't that great, do you know that Damascus comprised of?
Every time you 'finish' a ring in metal... I'm just sitting here like... Buff it for crying out loouudddd. But if you like that super dark dirty look, that's all you. ;nod;
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Hardening the steel before etching will give you a much better contrast.
Patrick, Just a bit of advice from a mech. engineer/machinist. I would find a good wooden dowel, rubber pin (for compliant feel) for the sanding of the ID (internal diameter). I have seen a finger nearly spun off in our shop years ago. it was not a ring but all the same. The machinist was sanding the ID just as you shown, problem was for our machinist, his finger got stuck. Very easy to do. it spun his finger, dislocating the tip of his finger at the joint, tore and ripped the flesh, and burnt the rest like a 600rpm Indian burn (friction burn). We think it was the blood from the injury, that lubed up the finger tip enough to let it loose from the piece part. He ended up leaving the machinist field and our company. But I do believe he ended up loosing his index finger at the first knuckle. Those lathes have a tremendous amount of torque and can do crazy damage to soft tissue. Love your videos, just wanted to give a quick safety tip. (I started playing with machine tools in my dads shop at the ripe old age of 13. so loads of years behind those cranks.)
Sounds gruesome. Ironically, on a whim, I've been watching hand reconstruction videos.
Eric gruben I just wish others would give advice in this manner. Props to you. Abdullah, London
He showed the actual speed of his lathe during the sanding process at one point, and it was very slow, something like 50-60 rpm, and he says he always has his other hand on the e-stop in addition. While it could still be potentially dangerous, at speeds that low, he would have no problem hitting the e-stop before he actually hurts himself. However, handling that acid without gloves on was pointlessly unsafe, especially since he didn't seem to dilute it with water or anything. And then he "neutralized" the acid with just water, which only dilutes it and doesn't neutralize it. He should have had something a little more basic to rinse the ring, like baking soda. Another thing - he really shouldn't be wearing a ring while he works on the lathe. He may not be sanding at high speeds, but he must be cutting at high speeds. High rpm + jewelry = bad time if you like keeping your skin on your finger.
Bruh...
So this your guys forgot about turning steel or woods on lathes the slower the rpm the more dangers are at play. I have the same lathe as Patrick and i too make rings and im guilty of putting my fingrts inside the jaw clamps. Faster you go less chances your finger will make it in. My finger on my left got smashed off one day at Everett WA. Commercial Airline building company. Can say the name. I'm not a mechanic or a machinest but i do know by expanding my fingers falling into the jaws and it just pushes them away . Hay Patrick where do we get new timing builts for our lathes its a XT 136 70 tooth 1.5mm wide . Mine got ripped up
So Patrick, the way etching works is that 2 types of steel are in Damascus, a high carbon and one with a higher nickel content, the steel with a higher nickel content resists the etch better than the carbon steel. That's how you get the patterns, that and how it's folded
awesome videos videos i have find out today. the damascus design will go nice with glowing alabaster.... if alabaster can give a nice work
you're the best man, great channel! i started turning rings with your help
Another great video man, and a sweet looking ring!
i dont know why but watching your videos is so satisfaying :) . keep up the good work
Close. The carbon doesn't make it dissolve faster, but helps it darken as it dissolves. The other probably has nickel in it which keeps it bright.
guess i should’ve just scrolled down. beautiful ring
How do you prevent rust? I've used white vinegar, ferric chloride, and gun bluing solution for etching, all a little different-
I'm a blacksmith and have made a few 200 layer twist rings with 15n20 and 1080 carbon, but other then casting silver to the inside I have not figured out how to stop the rust. I'd like to leave it without silver as the pattern inside is awesome
A DimeShort try using clear powder coat. What I use on copper
Awesome work and great instruction
So as far as etching goes it does deal with the carbon content is in the steel. But one will oxidize faster than the other.
Im looking into getting some Spirograph Damascus from Vegas forge once I have some cash kicking around.
A Damascus Steel Glowing one would be awesome, if possible
I'm assuming this steel is mild or high carbon steel and not stainless. So, it must be subject to rust and oxidization.
How do you ensure that the steel won't rust/oxidize from the moisture of a customers finger? Don't you need to seal it?
How do you make it safe to wear theirs talk about getting a severe nickle allergy how do you protect against that
Great video hope to see more. What kind of lathe is that and $$$.
Thanks you
Jerry
That is an amazing work of art! How do you bring out the brilliance and shine? Do you polish...if so what do you use (chemical/cloth)?
another masterpiece... just wow... keep it up man and as I said I'm always here in your vids man ^^
Awesome work! Do you coat your Damascus rings with polyurethane or something like that? Since Damascus has high carbon steel in it (the part that gets black when etched), it can rust when on someone's finger. I was wondering if you saw that being a problem with leaving rust spots on skin.
Excellent work as usual bro
I;ve made stock reduction knives-now I have more ideas-Thanks
What if you cut, faceted, and set a piece of Damascus Steel as if it were a gemstone?
Looks great dude
nice work
Hi Patrick, very good videos and your rings are very beautiful ... my respects !. A technical question ... which brand of lathe do you use?
Thank you!
Awesome videos I have bought the lathe what other tools for cutting metal will I need with the lathe?
Hey man how to make this ring extensible spine ?? please but good job
You're exposing all the trade secrets!!! Jk another great video man
Make some pads for the vice jaws.
Can you do a video making a ring out of a flat billet? I am buying a piece of scrap from a prominent maker of some of the best, most beautiful Damascus chef's knives in the world, and I want to make a ring out of it, but it's a flat piece rather than a tube, and I don't have a forge
Hello,
Thank you for great video! I have one question: I ordered damascuss rod using link provided, but it has no center hole. It's solid. I have difficulty drilling center hole. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you!
Patrick Adair Designs Thank you!!
Can one put the ring into hydrochloric acid? And get the same result?
Collaboration with Alec Steele, when's it coming? :p :D
Is the lathe you linked the same lathe you're using to shape the steel?
Can u heat iodize with cooking oil
Do you have a link to the cutting tools you use?
The Damascus steel rod from vegasforge is so expensive..................
I wish you could just buy cut offs big enough for rings
Thanks!
If you work with Damascus steel more you should get in contact with +Alec Steele on RUclips. He makes his own Damascus steel and he is a British blacksmith.
Now living and working in the US.
i heard that damasteel makes great damascus
I swear this guy sounds like Whitey from Me, Myself and Irene. Haha. Awesome content though, per usual. :)
I want to get one of this ring how could I get
Where may I purchase the expanding mandrel please?
On-line or any jewelry supply shop.
Ferric chloride can be very dangerous. You should be using rubber gloves for safety.
Sooo cool! I think I may try!!😁😊
Have you ever considered a Damascus Bronze ring?
Fairly sure you should wash this in a baking soda solution to neutrilize the acid solution!
Patrick Adair Designs In knife making it's a fairly common thing! Beautiful design btw! Shame the contrast between the two metals wasn't that great, do you know that Damascus comprised of?
Just so you know it isn't called adding an oxide finish it is called......hardening Steel.
get raindrop Damascus
Every time you 'finish' a ring in metal... I'm just sitting here like... Buff it for crying out loouudddd.
But if you like that super dark dirty look, that's all you. ;nod;