Blindsided!? Tyla Explains "Black Vs. Coloured" Controversy After Cringey ‘Breakfast Club' Interview
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- Tyla is setting the record straight after curving a question from The Breakfast Club’s Charlamagne Tha God regarding past remarks about her race. There is more to this interview no one is talking about though... Karen Hunter explains.
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Blindsided!? Tyla Explains "Black Vs. Coloured" Controversy After Cringey ‘Breakfast Club' Interview
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So Charlemagne Ask all the hard questions he could from this woman But when it comes to Candace Owens he comes with the underhand softball questions When he could have asked her about what she said about George Floyd and Brianna Taylor 🤔
Exactly! I wish he'd had that same energy for Candace Owens. But nah; Candace got to rap the "Fresh Prince of Bel Air" theme song 🙄
Absolutely 💯 percent agree with you.
Go ask Tim Scott or Clarence Thomas if they are black.
All you have to do is look at Tyler and you will see that she is a young black girl and if she is half Indian their skin is black too.
Say it louder so the people on Mars and though out the solar system can hear that truest of statements 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥👈👈👈👈
@@esjay-rh7wxCandace owens is American (born and raised). Only her grandmother is from the carribean and the Virgin Islands are an American territory, so still American. Charlemagne is clearly on the FBA movement. He simply was looking for controversy bc she's African
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This is a real thing in South Africa. I spent six months there studying abroad. Honestly, Black and Colored do mean different things. This is a way deeper issue related to Apartheid and the South African culture
I don’t know her, but once I learned where she was from it made sense. Bc if this, I don’t understand why people don’t know this 🤦🏽♀️
In many colonized countries, the term was used distinctly from the term black. It is visibly noticeable in records.
Yup, agreed, it's real hard-core r@ci@l oppression and discrimination and brutal r@ci@l abuses.
Tyla is the FEMALE version of drake, she is someone who is not really BLACK but is pretending to be BLACK in order to make money from BLACK audiences in America. BLACK Americans are tired of CULTURE VULTURES, if you are not BLACK then stay away from BLACK Americans.
@nataliedahling and that right there is what a lot of people tend to forget ,how our country's history with Apartheid influenced the "coloured" racial identity
Tyla is not Black American though. We can’t expect foreign Black artists from South Africa to adopt our understanding and definition of Blackness. While we might want to identify and unify around a universal definition of Blackness, other Black peoples from around the world don’t embrace that and we have to move accordingly.
SAY THIS LOUDER FOR THR PEOPLE IN THE BACK!
Yet TYLA has adopted our culture and is even mimicking FBA.. yet we shouldn't expect her to understand us.
I agree with what you’re saying I’m Nigerian American grew up in Texas but I notice once you leave the states people identify by ethnicity and not skin color that’s really an American thing.
@LD-jb5zi no neega be quiet. They sound goofy, and so do you
@@Jtve737some of us don’t understand us!
Why would anyone have a problem with Tyla wearing cornrows?
Someone who was born in Africa and has African ancestors, regardless of what she identifies as
Yes, cornrows are inherently African so an African wearing cornrows shouldn’t be scrutinized.
Yes, that was an ignorant statement to try and criticize her for wearing cornrows.
I was confused by this also. I was wondering if she was saying that Black Americans invented cornrows or something! 😂😂😂
Just in case black or colored people around the world don't know and don't care! My black people in America are still at war with racism, discrimination and hatred! I didn't think it is the problem with her wearing cornrows but we have issue with People from different countries who look black but choose to confirm to white people why of thinking!
I have to click off of this. At no point was Tyla denying her Blackness. A Coloured person literally is of African decent in Africa. It's just that mixed people are categorized separately from people with tribal ancestry. It's rich for any African American to judge that 🙄
Karen, there’s no way you’re jealous of Charlamagne. People like Charlamagne need to show more respect for people who are actually trained and educated in this area.
I've been accused of that in these comments (LOL). So I addressed it. I'm angry that he has a platform to make so many mistakes at our expense and for his profit. And that there are people who will defend him, is very sad.
We live in a culture of anti-intellectualism that is promoted by the establishment. That’s why Chalamet has a show that is broadcast to millions. And Karen has a show that millions have to find. Tell a friend spread the word.
Facts! Charlamagne is mediocre, failing forward. He's on par with a lot of that trash TV on Peacock and Bravo.
@@ASUMirage15 Rght! Andy Cohen has ruined more women than the Republican party could ever hope to. Real shitty housewives of the city.
Jealous of Who?!
She's a Professor, and a Hunter.
This Karen is just Built Different.
It's very disingenuous to say Tyla didn't grind just that she wasn't in the mainstream in the US. The industry is not the US. She started while in Matric, during Covid, and produced her debut hit song in SA. Stop telling us about hairstyles like conrows, in SA that means nothing much and she has a half black parent and a mixed father. The colored culture is also intertwined with black culture so she can do whatever she wants as an artist.
Exactly!
Also, black people from the US should look at individuals with more scrutiny before endorsing anyone. This includes Tyla. We were too quick to endorse before knowing what she stood for and how she identified! Unfortunately we have a history of doing that. If people don't want to align with us DON'T SUPPORT! It's just that easy.
Bra, the way they are claiming braids as of they invented them. Afro Colombians are responsible for using braids as map, for slaves to escape. Box braids is a bantu people invention. Africans have been braiding our hair for centuries, look at fulani and hausa women, check West African nations, you will see. They don't have ownership of braids and cornrows.
@@user-ne9vp2uv4c funny how it's only black Americans who have a problem with Tyla. If you guys consume music based on race and nationality is it safe for the whole world to exclude black Americans because you don't want anything to do with the rest of us.
The are blind, but in reality the coloured are treated better, are seen better than the can blacks and I don’t know why the black South Africans accept this? Is not even apartheid era anymore. Tyla’s mother is black South African woman. She is also using black South African music genres to make music worldwide. And don’t want to associate with black African folks. And want support from black south South Africans.
I understand black men are defending her, because she’s the aesthetic of black they want. Not too black, but black enough to date and sleep with
Bkack girks are not getting this kind of support in the media in the music industry
How is cornrows black American culture? We been braiding our hair since slavery from our African ancestors and across the diaspora we get braids from the Congo to the North African more Arab side to where ever! The motherland is diverse af and braids isn’t exclusive to us in the states
But its our culture, Braids are signature. Stop it
@@user-vl5dg4re5h it’s our culture correct but it’s ALSO the culture of people across the continent of Africa and that shouldn’t be ignored!
"Equiblack"😂😂😂😂 I love it!!
These artists aren’t that bright.
It’s sad.
Please visit your local library
Yall remember how charlamagne butchered Amara La Negra's Afro latina Colorism issue. Tyla did well not to answer.
Americans are just so annoying. Funny thing is Amara is actually American but bc of her Dominican heritage, she knew about both worlds. Now, idiotic Charlemagne comes and does that. Weird!!
Yes. I remembered that. It showed how ignorant the Breakfast Club is around the black diaspora.
Why did she even go on that trashy ignorant AS show😮
I like that CTG is doing it on purpose. Yall come from these other countries and wanna bring your BS problems to America lol nah we got our own and we’re not gonna accept yalls too
THANK YOU. It was bait. How are people this dense. Tyla wasn't denying Blackness. She was denying the stupidity of the question
Why is everybody making a big to do over this?
Tyla explained it clear as day and people still have a problem with it.
These people are never satisfied about somebody else's business.
These people here are Negatively amazing with their mindset. Just like Karen visited Africa(Ghana) for the first time few years again and came back to her show COMPLAINING on little things.
If tyla's COLO RED status is so important to her then why is she trying to market herself to BLA CK Americans. Tyla needs to stay away from BLA CK America if she does not identify as BLA CK. She needs to market herself to her fellow COLO RED people and stay away from BLA CK Americans. BLA CK Americans are tired of CULTURE VULTURES and PARASITES who love to run to BLA CK Americans when they want to make money even though they are not BLA CK themselves.
@@aloziecnwachukwu1515i thought i would get an educated take here, but it's just more racial gaslighting. The VERY reason the girl didn't want to answer the question in the first place.
@@kokolatte825 I don’t understand. Is your statement based on my responses or the overall topic. I want to know so I can respond to you appropriately
The problem here is people trying to separate themselves from what they have to look at in the mirror everyday. Then to act like black Americans are the problem while they minimize what being black is in this world ....
When I was in high school, I worked with a black lady from France. I asked her if she considered herself African French and she explained this wasn’t allowed. She was just French but she is aware she is of African decent. We Americans have to understand people don’t see color like we do or if they do, they may not be able to speak about it. She told me it was illegal and it’s not on any documentation like we have.
In France it's literally in the Constitution to not account for race, as France was and in many aspects still is, a multi-Continental, multi-cultural, multi-racial empire. The point it's for everyone to buy into the idea of 'French-ness" before ethnicity. Even who we see as "French ppl", we're once a multitude of different ppl that were cobbled together. It's really so interesting how this is viewed around the world.
@@KiDCRuDi_ yes! She also explained that there was discrimination though and sometimes people could tell African ethnicity by the name, but it was illegal. I thought it was interesting. This conversation was while I was braiding her hair. It was over 20 years ago.
You gotta understand that type of beast FBA has been dealin with for centuries and now the media they that consume and even create themselves really has them bucked up on many levels. Its gonna take a destruction of almost everything they love and 2-3 generation to free them of this savage and myopic they've adopted from the beast.
France also tries to erase their legacy as racist brutal colonizers by not speaking about race. It is why they never speak about the Haitian Revolution..
@@KiDCRuDi_People from Martinique Guadeloupe and other French territories know that they are Black given their history of slavery and subjugation.
Wait so colored woman from South Africa can’t come to America with braids? Did we really just say that?
Shocking hey.i also was confused about that.its madness so now they own the hairstyles.does it even originate in US.for all you know the hair style origin could be african.i think you guys take identity issues too far and sometimes lose ability to reason/think clearly in the process
I swear these mfs think they're the main character. 😂
If tyla's COLO RED status is so important to her then why is she trying to market herself to BLA CK Americans. Tyla needs to stay away from BLA CK America if she does not identify as BLA CK. She needs to market herself to her fellow COLO RED people and stay away from BLA CK Americans. BLA CK Americans are tired of CULTURE VULTURES and PARASITES who love to run to BLA CK Americans when they want to make money even though they are not BLA CK themselves.
If tyla's CO LO RED status is so important to her then why is she trying to market herself to BL A CK Americans. Tyla needs to stay away from BL A CK America if she does not identify as BL A CK. She needs to market herself to her fellow COLO RED people and stay away from BL A CK Americans. BL A CK Americans are tired of CUL TURE VUL TURES and PARA SITES who love to run to BL A CK Americans when they want to make money even though they are not BL A CK themselves.
Yes, I had to go back and replay it. Smh.
I think people in América need to decide. Either there is an issue with black women being “erased” in the media or not. Tyla is clearly not black. Look at her and look for Ayra Star (who should have gotten the Grammy Tyla got). One is black, the other isnt.
Actually she could be considered Black in the USA or mixed-race on the US census. There is definitely a larger agenda of promoting the ethnic cleansing of Black Americans. That is only one tool.
Nigerians and your jealousy of Tyla😂
You should focus on streaming Ayra’s album. If she is better than Tyla why did her album only sell 8k?
Coloured are put on the pedestal above African blacks and are treated better. They feel entitled.
Yet Tyler js using black African music genre in South Africa to make money and she wants support from black African folks to support her even though she say she is not black
Is arrogant I feel. Abd South Africans are making snide comments about black American people being obsessed with race.
No one cares for what she calls herself. But she should be humble, as in America that term is derogatory
Tyler mum is black Zulu African woman.
CTG is nasty AF to this young artist. Frankly Black Americans can reject Tyla if they wish. She will still be an international/ global success . Why must she fit into the box that you guys proscribed... Enjoy the music OR DONT!!!!
That is 1000% on her people. The BFC has said many times you can't tell them what to ask. They should have known this and prepared her.
Ain't cornrows from Africa, ain't tyla Zulu.
No fool
If tyla's COLO RED status is so important to her then why is she trying to market herself to BLA CK Americans. Tyla needs to stay away from BLA CK America if she does not identify as BLA CK. She needs to market herself to her fellow COLO RED people and stay away from BLA CK Americans. BLA CK Americans are tired of CULTURE VULTURES and PARASITES who love to run to BLA CK Americans when they want to make money even though they are not BLA CK themselves.
Yes and yes
All points made are valid. A few other perspectives is 1. Did CTG every claim to be a journalist? If not, why expect that standard on him. 2. Taking into account Tyla's age and the previous backlash on the "Colored" issue, of the international ignorant, she should be allowed to be cautious about answering the question.
Charlamagne has also praised MTG so he's very problematic...ijs
That dude is an industry plant
@@TC-uj6jcPlease get out of your kooky conspiracy bag 😂😂😂
Why is Charlamagne so ignorant that he has to even ask that question? In South Africa, where Tyla is from, the term "black people" is reserved for 100% indigenous Africans who speak indiginaous African languages as their mother tongue. Coloureds are mixed race, speak Afrikaans and English, but not Xhosa, Zulu, Ndbele, Suthu or other indigenous black South African languages. If a Coloured person in South Africa were to call themselves Black, Black South Africans would come hard for them and shut them down. In America, however, we see Tyla as black because just like all black people in America are mixed race, but call ourselves Black, we think she should too. But as I said that would cause serious problems for her back home. In South Africa, furthermore, we would be considered Coloured just like Tyla is. For her to discuss her race openly gets her into hot water here and back home. The most important thing is she identifies Black and is accepted at home and here as one of us even if she cannot openly say it. Black South Africans treat her and see her as a sister. PERIOD. On another note, the term Black in South Africa and many other African countries is a term of purity. It is reserved for those who are 100% African. It is a term of exclusivity. In America, however, everything is upside down. Here, white people have reserved the term white as a term of exclusivity and it represents some mythological European racial purity. Whereas Black, historically in America, was a term of inclusivity and at some point in American history every group that was not WASPY white was included in the category BLACK. Let Tyla talk about her art and her music. Leave her race, which is obvious to everyone, out of it. What do you see when you look at her?
Such a great comment 🎉❤ coming from a coloured South African
@isaaccpt6643 The term colored in America means you don't have any rights and you are not equal whites . You had laws that enable you to be rape and beaten and abused. If you are in America we find it disrespectful. To call your self coloured because of the history of that time and the Jim Crow laws. If read the read the history about the treatment of Black people in America you would understand the reaction.
@@isaaccpt6643 LOL! I’m a Black man from Washington, DC. I lived and worked in South Africa for years. And I know the idiocy caused by white racism on both sides of the Atlantic.
Well said
First of the term colored has been used America for deny African Americans basic human rights. Jim Crow laws allowed African Americans to be mistreated. If you had one drop of Black blood you are Black which continues to this day. So because of the history of calling you self colored. Their will be pushback by African Americans who have different view of that word. The power in that word is based on the history of that word and has done to African Americans because of the colored of their skin . I feel that Charlamagne should have asked the question but also put in context to which she would be able to understand why the question is ask. So when a African American will ask her the question 🤔 she will understand why and able educated them on how she feels.
In Africa, depending where she is, she is colored or black. In America she is only black. She does understand that
Why she doesn't have no more blackness in her than Pat Mahomes daughter. Thier both 1/4 black. Why we want everyone to claim black.
No, here in Africa east, west, north or south, Tyla is mixed not black.
He was disingenuous. Karen you said it all. As a journalist, you have to have a standard. You have the right not to answer, but the journalist must have the right to ask. He's an entertainer.
The problem with THIS discussion is that it barely acknowledges (mentioned, but glancingly) that the discussion around cultural blackness and racial blackness are 1. Two different things (although inter connected and dissected by gatekeepers here in the US), and 2. those issues have a completely different contexts in countries outside of the United States where there is an even more bewildering, complex history filled with nuance in terms of racial identity and categorization (often/mostly due to colonialism and empire including apartheid, which is based on it) that we here in the US - was born and raised right here in the states, before anyone says anything - are often at a loss to even minimally discuss with any kind of nuance (see Tyla’s statement that Karen read). That’s why Rod’s notion of “background checks” and Lamont’s “this is America, Jack” is so offensive, as it implies that Black people in the diaspora are not “truly” Black unless they pass an African American blackness litmus test.
As for Charlamange blindsiding Tyla, Rosenberg, Hunter and Rod are completely right. Lamont is out of pocket and wrong for implying that because Char has his thing and Rosenberg and Char have a history that it’s acceptable that Char is, once again, disrespectful to a young woman of color.
I'm American and I'll tell you that right now the popular black american culture is the worst culture of all blacks on the planet, and is only getting worse. I'm not afraid to say that straight with no jelly on it. The question always has been " what are we gonna do about it?".
CTG is so uninformed and mean spirited . She is South African she is part of the coloured group there !. Period ! Leave her alone! Let the South Africans deal with their own brand of racial /colonial issues . Also she is already an international global star ! Period !
The problem is as black people worldwide how do we start to address the universal issues that we face if we have all these divisions and categories that we put ourselves in.
Madonna, Taylor Dayne...entered through our rhythms
Man i remember when black folks actually thought Madonna was black. Before she appeared on MTV and American Bandstand
@djmadijohnson I was one of them but I missed the TV shows. I was YEARS too late finding out.
Tyla is the FEMALE version of drake, she is someone who is not really BLACK but is pretending to be BLACK in order to make money from BLACK audiences in America. BLACK Americans are tired of CULTURE VULTURES, if you are not BLACK then stay away from BLACK Americans.
Excellence has no race,too many black people have inferiority complex and put race in to every thing
Madonna never tried to be us - she was always a dancer & singer. 80’s NYC had so many creative people from all backgrounds. We were organically exposed to rock, hip hop and Broadway. We all thought she was Puerto Rican after seeing her perform at The Funhouse. She could dance, sounded good and Holiday was the jam. She is just Madonna.
The world does not revolve black Americans, . As a black woman in Africa I would be very offended if Tyla called herself black because of the privileges' mixed race people have here. Particularly, in South Africa coloreds have their own suburbs, communities, their own slang, culture and traditions. I can bet you must dollar Tyla says she is mixed Zulu but she probably cannot even put together a proper Zulu sentence but she was born and raised here. You will hardly find indigenous black South Africans dating or marrying colored's , (thank you apartheid for separating us not only physically but psychologically, culturally). I really implore African Americans to stop these petty arguments and realize that blackness, race and ethnicity are perceived differently outside of the US. What Charlemagne did was petty and whatever point he was trying to make he looked like he was looking for a viral moment at the end of the day.
THANK YOU for saying this. Black Americans the world doesn’t owe you ANYTHING.!!!!!! Respect, Progress, Influence are acquired through Diligence, Hardwork, and Focus. STOP focusing on Unimportant things
Tyla is the FEMALE version of drake, she is someone who is not really BLACK but is pretending to be BLACK in order to make money from BLACK audiences in America. BLACK Americans are tired of CULTURE VULTURES, if you are not BLACK then stay away from BLACK Americans.
Thank you , you just exposed how racist clrds are . That's why they emphasize that they are not black. African Americans need to open their eyes .
@aloziecnwachukwu1515 then why come over to promote,achieve and be awarded in this country. I don't agree with Charlemagne tactics at all. But " Black Americans" have a right ti express how they feel. If some people from Black countries are ashamed of their blackness that's on them
Not sure about thinking the world revolves around us but I agree Blackness should not be forced on Tyla. Blackness should not be forced on anyone in America because it is detrimental to Black Americans who’s lineage is tied to America. It has and does leave room for many to come to America and identity cleanse to gain positions of power, or establish wealth in this country off of someone else’s heritage and history when they claim themselves as Black in America. Many Black Americans are ignorant and don’t see that it is obliterating their own identity, heritage and history in this country. I hope it’s understood as well that in America those of us who come from a lineage of Americans who lived in the segregated south in America before Jim Crow laws were abolished in 1965 that the word Colored means something different in America. Mutual respect to understanding that my people were being lynched, burned, spit on, and branded inferior under the Colored label in America. It is a racial slur here so out of respect to the natives who have their own history in America she can translate “Coloured’ to mixed, multiracial, or just say she’s South African.
The Breakfast Club refused to interview Janet Jackson a while back because she had a list of topics she didn't want to be asked. Charlamagne said at the time that he and his co-hosts don't like to be restricted on what to ask guests. So he was definitely being unprofessional and messy with Tyla.
But was he? You want the American dollar, correct? This is a part of the American experience, like or not, right? So if I was ever to go on the Karen Hunter Show, I better be prepared to have my facts backed up, not be up their lying and b.s. right? So her Manger & P.R. team should have had her ready for this question on her Black radio press tour run. Bc she ain't white pop stations, remember.
At this piont who really expects anything better from Lennard. The original donkey of the day.
😂😂😂 (Lennard….is Monique in the group chat?)
Doja grew up in the US, barely knowing her S.African dad while Tyla grew up in S.Africa. Very different. If Tyla denies her coloured background, that could lead to a backlash in S.Africa. CTG is an idiot for the sneakiness - trying to ruin a kid's career this early.
They're making false equivalences. Doja is half black South African but I haven't heard any South African call her coloured bc they know she didn't grow up in South Africa. Disrespectful Americans think the world revolves around them. You're forcing an entire new race on to someone foreign just so you can live vicariously through her? Weird narcissistic behavior.
If tyla's colo red status is so important to her then why is she trying to market herself to BLACK Americans. Tyla needs to stay away from BLACK America if she is does not identify as BLACK. She needs to market herself to her fellow colo red people and stay away from BLACK Americans. Black Americans are tired of CULTURE VULTURES and PARASITES who love to run to BLACK Americans when they want to make money even though they are not BLACK themselves.
If tyla's COLO RED status is so important to her then why is she trying to market herself to BLA CK Americans. Tyla needs to stay away from BLA CK America if she does not identify as BLA CK. She needs to market herself to her fellow COLO RED people and stay away from BLA CK Americans. BLA CK Americans are tired of CULTURE VULTURES and PARASITES who love to run to BLA CK Americans when they want to make money even though they are not BLA CK themselves.
That's not our problem. How are we being blamed and castigated for the operation of identity in other countries?
@@nevetsnonnac3330 Who are "WE"?
Because in many ways mediocrity makes people feel comfortable and to many its “relateable.” :|
Relatability is the new social currency tbh. All you need is to be relatable and that's enough to consume or support your content, product...
I know you ain’t calling Tyla mediocrity. The girl is far more talented than almost all new artists combined. You shall see.
@@sportsnumber1567 Breathe then listen again tho, its not about Tyla in this regard, its about a larger phenomena, capitalism and conscious awareness. Love to Tyla and SA sisters and brothers🇿🇦
Africans don’t need “ Black” music to make music. That idea is absurd in my opinion, if that is what was being stated. What WE even created comes from Africa that was within US and has never been foreign to Africans
Can you give me five Afro beats/Ampiano songs that don't use any elements of Black American music?
@@kaywashington7284 what's black American music?? What musical instruments do you use that were invented by black Americans?
@@kaywashington7284 Afro Beats may use elements of Black American music, but then again Black American music got it's roots from African music and instruments.
@@kaywashington7284lol.. Your ignorance is legendary😂😂😂
Is this a real question that African Americans, who have created the most popular and successful genres of music on the planet, don't have a musical culture because we don't have a readily identifiable instrument attached to our shit? @@abigailmatlala2486
“We have an appetite for mediocrity.” Right, unfortunately 💯
She grew up in a different country with different experiences than Black Americans have
Why would she see the world in the exact same way?
Critical thinking would save us from all this drama
Too difficult a task (for some).
Asambe is Zulu for "let's go."
Can't it be just about her music, not race
I actually think the reason they skirt the issue is because she actually did take the issue on head first at one point. And when she explained that she was proudly colored, there was an uproar from the African-American community who, as you said, have not read, and therefore, didn’t understand that she was not saying the same thing that we over here think of when we hear the word colored. That’s why I feel like they skirt the issue NOW.
Excuse the errors, using voice to text
This!!! The backlash she received from the 'coloured' and 'colored' confusion was disgusting. Some people really need to read about World History and travel abroad. They're so far behind...
Americans......
An intellectual conversation about race.This conversation will miss a lot of Americans. 😮
shhh....lol. you're right (as many of the conversations I have here).
@@KarenHunterShow I completely agree.
Can't, too much pain, hurt, misconception...an intellectual conversation is almost impossible to have without honesty, humility, transparency, etc on both sides.
My problem with Charlemagne is that he claims to be a mental health advocate, but it seems that he revels in inflicting mental warfare on people.
Hee Hee yup.
Asambe is a Zulu/Xhosa word means lets go
Tyla showed wisdom by not entertaining his ignorance.
It’s ignorant to not understand that black people were called Colored in the US until a few decades ago. Of course Americans would be confused and that’s the point. I’ve met people with her background and they’ve all identified as Indian here in America. Her team is trying to be slick and got called out. They know Colored doesn’t mean mixed race in the US it’s 2 different things.
@@calinola7957 Her mother has Zulu heritage.
@calinola7957
Yes, she and her team know that America has a different understanding of the term, which is why she didn't answer the question to avoid people like you judging her just as you are now.
@@calinola7957oh and btw, Tyla does have Indian ancestry. She's Zulu, Mauritian, Irish, and Indian. Coloured.
That's a copout.🤔
If she appears Black to Black people in America, and makes money off of a Black audience in America, capitalizing in a Black American music genre, and goes to a Black forum in America [the BFC] to market herself to a Black audience, then why is it out of bounds to ask her to educate Black people in America about what Black / Colored means [to her] in a South African context for said Black American audience?
This! 👏👏👏👏
Who is she to educate anyone about anything?
Tyla is a 22 year old performer.
She has nothing to educate anyone about.
There are several scholars who have already explained how South Africa works, we don’t need her uneducated input.
Even what it means to her is by nature subjective and anecdotal
The people who consider themselves "col ored" in South Africa often use that term to separate themselves from all things bla CK in South Africa. So if you are a person who considers himself or herself as colored, you need to maintain the same energy, don't pretend not to be black in South Africa but pretend to be black in America in order to make money from black people in America.
The people who consider themselves "COLO RED" in South AFRICA often use that term to separate themselves from all things BLACK in South AFRICA. So if tyla considers herself to be COLO RED, she needs to maintain the same energy. She shouldn't pretend not to be BLACK in South AFRICA but pretend to be BLACK in America in order to make money from BLACK people in America.
Tyla is the FEMALE version of drake, she is someone who is not really BLACK but is pretending to be BLACK in order to make money from BLACK audiences in America. BLACK Americans are tired of CULTURE VULTURES, if you are not BLACK then stay away from BLACK Americans.
It takes spine to be black. A lot of people just don't have it. I don't want to say I'm black says Tiger Woods, There's just too much backlash. The same way you've never really heard the rock say I'm a black man, even though his father's black. He's never been in a black movie, never had a black female co star,I used to watch his sitcom that came on NBC, he's never been with a black woman sexually relationship wise. Vin diesel also. There are a lot of things that come with this amazing color we have to our skin, good and bad. A lot of people want the good, but don't want the bad. That's where the spine comes in to play🤷🏿
Vin Diesel is not black, he is Armenian I believe. His mother was white but he was raised by a black adoptive father.
You mean, “it takes spine to be black in Amerikkka”, there’s a difference.
@@capoislamort100 I must respectfully disagree with you. African Americans are treated the same way all around this world, including Africa. Everybody looks at us through the white man's eyes👀
@@user-yd6wv8wd8h His mother was white, he had an adoptive African American father. He's racially ambiguous But has said himself that he never knew his biological father but he thinks the father and the mother's Union would have been illegal in a lot of countries. So he's at the very least a minority
@@generalinformation3507So he isn't black. The Rock is not seen or treated as black. He is ambiguous and looks more Somoan. Black ppl don't need to force everybody to identify as black. Amber is a quarter black but ppl want her to identify as black. She's not and that's okay and neither is Mariah Carey
Why even bring up race at all? As someone from outside of the US who isn’t considered ‘black’ where I’m from it’s disgusting the obsession with putting everyone in a racial category in the US. The interview was horrible and gross.
If tyla's COLO RED status is so important to her then why is she trying to market herself to BLA CK Americans. Tyla needs to stay away from BLA CK America if she does not identify as BLA CK. She needs to market herself to her fellow COLO RED people and stay away from BLA CK Americans. BLA CK Americans are tired of CULTURE VULTURES and PARASITES who love to run to BLA CK Americans when they want to make money even though they are not BLA CK themselves.
Considering the history behind the colored caste/class in South Africa, they should have abolished the term along with aparthied.
Yes. They cannot dwell in the past. It is time to move away from apartheid mentality.
But, she’s trying to make a come- up on Black Americans.
She's an African woman. Who else would she relate to most?
She’s already up in other parts of the world. Btw she also doesn’t get any backlash from blacks in the Caribbean or the UK and technically she’s made money off of them too so why when she pops here gets a fanbase here so she’s trying to be an artist here she now has to conform to our standards of identifying? This makes no sense to me as an American black born and raised
@@somindlesssmedianah because too many times these foreignors market to black Americans then once they make that come up they start to talk down so sure market to carribeans and Africans and you have no problems 🤷🏿♂️
She’s an ok singer I guess but nothing black Americans are excited about… fuck outta here
They all do. Tether off of Black Americans culture all the while they hate us. They need to go be great in their homelands and stop cosplaying as Black Americans.
If she has a specific list, then she wasn't blindsided. And, showing her refusing to answer those questions is demonstrating the actual truth that she actually doesn't want to answer those questions.
Because she's already answered that question in other interviews and received backlash from it. Tyla doesn't seem to have an issue with being Coloured, but Americans do 🤷🏽♀️
"asambe!" means "let us go" in zulu. so "asambeee! is sometimes used in the same sense as "let's go!" as a way to build excitement.
Yo I'm I'm going to make several comments on this video because you guys are touching in a lot of stuff...
He said that a lot of people use black culture and black music to boost their career isn't that the truth.. look at kid rock. A Bonafide racist .. He was down with black people at the very beginning,.. In fact this great little. Yourube video posted up about Kid Rock called Kid Rock the biggest culture vulture in hip hop, and that dude breaks it down. Kid Rock was down with black people at first, he was touring with black people hung out with black people, had a lot of black girls, got a biracial son from a black woman. When he was done with that, once he got his Fame popularity, not only did he switch to Country / good old boy music, he became a Bonafide racist. he used black culture and black music to elevate himself
What are you gonna do about it is the question. Nothing but talk on internet. That's why in this country we're being increasingly disrespected.
@@MentalPistol the only thing you're doing is going around trolling all over the comment section.. and you are literally saying nothing. You're spewing nothing. I see your comments. You don't even know what you're talking about so why you on my comments
@@bobbyschannel349 I'm not trolling anyone. Just because you cant come up with an answer to a question, you call the asker a troll? Give us an answer. Until you have an answer, all we're doing is talking on internet. Whats the plan?
@@MentalPistol I'm not here to answer you
@MentalPistol Oh, mighty overseer and keeper of knowledge, WHAT IS THE ANSWER? so we can stop just talking about it.
Kid Rock is one of the biggest examples of Culture Vulture!!!!
He not only entered and used black culture, but he talked smack about the same black culture that cultivated the foundation of his career!
It’s sad that Kid Rock did that, but what’s even more sad is black folks who do backflips to help non-blacks in their endeavors when they are surrounded by thousands of black people in the the wild that could have used that extra assist.
No sane person respects Kid pebbles for stealing from my black people's culture! But let's be clear the entire world steals or takes from my black people here in America!
She trusted CTG. 😢
The biggest issue I have with Charlemagne tha God is that I can't figure out if he is playing stupid on purpose for plausible deniability or if he really is just slow. Because he has access to any and everyone and still asks the same questions over and over again. He still can't seem to understand the basic things that a guest has just talk to him about. Now, He may have the Drake issue where he just doesn't listen. Or he is just actually slow. But I tend to lean towards the notion that he is doing that so he can be able to play both sides of the fence so he can always deny and gets caught up on something
Africa is not an indigenous word to that land either Karen
FACTS>>>
@@KarenHunterShowThe indigenous name is Alkebulan.
@@bobbyschannel349 thank you.
Sniffing seats is nasty.😂😂😂
They’re blaming her for explaining what she is considered in her home country.
Tyla is from South Africa. Apparently, "coloured" doesn't mean something derogatory there. 🤷🏾♀️
The are blind, but in reality the coloured are treated better, are seen better than the can blacks and I don’t know why the black South Africans accept this? Is not even apartheid era anymore. Tyla’s mother is black South African woman. She is also using black South African music genres to make music worldwide. And don’t want to associate with black African folks. And want support from black south South Africans.
I understand black men are defending her, because she’s the aesthetic of black they want. Not too black, but black enough to date and sleep with
Bkack girks are not getting this kind of support in the media in the music industry
The are blind, but in reality the coloured are treated better, are seen better than the can blacks and I don’t know why the black South Africans accept this? Is not even apartheid era anymore. Tyla’s mother is black South African woman. She is also using black South African woman to make money worldwide.
Yes, it doesn't.
But where is tyla? In america!
If she wants to succeed in the U.S., she will have to address this topic.
ruclips.net/video/rAn1bKzu-Mk/видео.htmlsi=vN3_NBE9WXl6WflI
Explaining the history of “coloured”
There is no excuse for going on The Breakfast Club and cry foul cause you weren’t prepared for what they “might ask.” Singer’s management THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO JUST USE THE BREAKFAST CLUB FOR THEIR AGENDA, instead they got an upper cut. It is all their fault! Plus, Black ppl respect your personal choice of WHO you be, just don’t disrespect BLACK ppl. In this case, they want the Black clout but don’t care about Black Culture. I’m fed up with the pedigree run downs. Do they honestly think WE as stolen AFRICAN descendants don’t know ours? We have already been where they have to go. We know the paths we paid dearly to open up for ourselves and others. Respect this. Or, not. You need our clout and dollars-we won’t allow you to STEAL it no moe-nobody.
Black Americans need to understand that blacks from other parts of the world have a very different LIVED experience from them. People have choices on who they want to support and black people have no obligation to support someone just because they look like you. Find out who they are first then you won’t get your feelings hurt later when they tell you they are not like you 🤷🏽♀️
Black people are tired of people who look like us and who don't appropriating our culture for financial gain or just to be accepted by the masses. People think that black culture is here for anyone to appropriate at any time or any reason to gain popularity and acceptance because it Urban, it's Hip, and it's Now!
4:06 yes, a South Afican woman came to America with braids. What are we talking about? 3:25 speaking of Trevor Noah, wouldnt hurt for u to watch videos of him speaking on topics like this.
Beyond the messiness, this comes down to an age old sentiment: people want the rhythm, but don’t want the blues.
Mofos I'm tired of hearing about everyday (feel free to add to the list) Charlamagne, Stephen A Smith, Trump, Elon Musk, Marjorie Taylor Greene..
Tayla trends here in South Africa every time they ask her about her race. Dont blame her 4 being hesitant to answer as she's always being misunderstood. She's explained about being coloured but seems like they just don't want to accept the term cos its offensive to some people in the US. Wish she had articulated what she later released in her statement. She's proudly coloured and she mustn't feel shy or bad about owning it. Oh and Asambe means "let's go" in Zulu🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
European labeled black Americans colored. Who labeled south Africans "colored " 🖤
They want her to say she's Coloured so that they can say she's being disrespectful. She's not talking about it to show her understanding of the situation in the US and now they're upset about her silence too.
This was a great episode!
Wow!!! This is a very interesting conversation…..I was trying to understand that interview with Tyla and Charlemagne.
We Africans we understand stand tyla black Americans just visit 1 African countries you will see
I thought SA was different than the continent of Africa.
Asambee means “let’s gooo”
Black Americans own corn rows ? A African girl can't wear corn rows ; even if she has worn it her whole life ?
Corn Rows,braids and twists are styles that are thousands of years old. And yes they originated in Africa where many beautiful folks are from. My dads ancestors were from Senegal and he was always proud of himself and his heritage along with his family and attending an HBCU. He was also down to earth and was willing to take the time to listen to folks and to explain things to them. People of color the world over have different ways of explaining their heritage and their bloodlines and it is time that we as folks of color at least take the time to listen to them and learn from them.
Karen thanks again for posting this conversation on RUclips ❤️ I can share with friends and family ❤ InezArnetta 🌹
Now I'm going to look up that Tyla interview, LOL. That all being said, "blackness", like "whiteness", IS NOT a monolithic culture. Not all black people share the same culture or are the same ethnicity. The same is also true for white people. African culture (like Asian, European, South Pacific Islander, Middle Eastern, and Indigenous People culture) is not interchangeable. While some cultures/ethnicities share some similarities (even across some "races"), for the most part people of a particular "race" who grew up in different parts of the world or the country are not going to have the same culture and people of the same culture (including biracial/mixed people like Drake) aren't all going to share the same cultural beliefs with the culture of one or both of their parents. To expect people of any "race"/ethnicity/culture to all act the same and then shame them for not doing so, is straight out of the white supremacy playbook. What we should be encouraging people to do is to not feel less of a person and to be proud of who they are and to not look down/put down people from different "races"/ethnic groups. By the same token, we also need to call people out for PRETENDING to identify with a culture (even if they are of the same culture, "race", or ethnicity) in public, but who live their private life completely differently.
1000% my sentiments exactly!
I don't want hear no rnb or pop from tyla until she cracks open an american history book.Americans dont go to sa and try to change thier terms while at the same time appropriating their music. That is the elephant the room!
yes. okay.
The REAL convo I've been wanting to hear from REAL FOLKS!💌
Charlemagne was being messy 🤷🏽♀️
Equiblax is insane! 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I have never thought about this at all. It does not mean anything to me....well unless you start rapping about your life in the hood and your from Cape town south africa.
Or Canada
@@LM-op7wu Everything i see online of the city look good. All the white people live there oh and colords live there. My thoughts white people still rule that place they just find other method to do it.
@@kmarcol1 OOOOOOOH SNAP.... I feel ya ! The colord from Canada.
@@My2CentsYall Lolol. That was my daily Drake subliminal diss
"EquiBlax"! I am so dead🤣🤣🤣
And Joe Budden wonders why those like CTG and himself aren’t respected. These guys are trash but want to be taken seriously.
Tyla's team has failed her. All this mess is overshadowing her music as she tries to be a global star and they distance Blackness from her brand. Black people have the right to ask if people are cosplaying Blackness yet again. Many non-Black people have used Black music and Black culture to get big and then drop the facade when they capture the global market. All she had to say is 'I'm mixed and in my country, mixed people are called "coloureds'." Dassit.
Correct
If you look at her you can see she a young black woman and if she is half Indian their skin is black also,, so the question was unnecessary.
She's not black.
You are sooooo.....right.
@uzmaki3755 100%
Her team failed to conduct adequate research. They have mentioned on their show several times that when someone provides a list of questions to avoid, they deliberately ask those questions. It was evident that she was uncomfortable. I didn't look at her negatively after the interview.
💯her team should have ensured she had a concise response to the question as it's come up so many times. Maybe she hesitated cos it was on her "dont ask list" so she wasn't sure whether to respond. She's young and new to the game, people need to chill.
The problem is in America everyone is too consumed with race. Why should that be the focus instead of her talent? The world isn’t America and Americans need to understand treat they have to educate themselves and not expect others to think like them.
@@Itsallaboutlove52 While it may not be right, race has historically influenced decisions over talent. There are numerous examples that illustrate this issue.
If tyla's COLO RED status is so important to her then why is she trying to market herself to BLA CK Americans. Tyla needs to stay away from BLA CK America if she does not identify as BLA CK. She needs to market herself to her fellow COLO RED people and stay away from BLA CK Americans. BLA CK Americans are tired of CULTURE VULTURES and PARASITES who love to run to BLA CK Americans when they want to make money even though they are not BLA CK themselves.
My granny said, "Karen! You make 'em think!!! I am so glad I renewed my Sirius-XM subscription so my grandkids can listen in the car during the summer."
But why does she not adopt her African blackness, you see this South African black and coloured is nothing but colonialism division.. well they are technically no longer colonised embrace your black Africaness we come in many shades
This is the problem that black Americans have. You force people to adopt their blackness instead of their mixedness. Tyla's blackness is from her martenal grand parents which has been mixed with Indian ancestry all along. In south Africa she can't claim to just be black, she has to claim all of her ancestry. This nonsense that you guys do that even a person with 2% black on them must just be black is very wrong. You are the same people who are going to force Meghan Markle's kids to claim their blackness while their ancestry and phenotype is predominantly European. Tyla can acknowledge she has a Zulu granny and Zulu ancestry but here she is not Zulu, she is mixed.
As black people in this country, we don't accept much, and intern made it easy for others to come here and do what they want to do without the struggles.
That’s the sad part is people don’t understand that they’ve given and are giving their culture away. Allowing others to adopt Blackness is detriment to Black American history, culture, and our heritage. Our very existence is in jeopardy if this continues allowing others to Cosplay us and wear a culture like a costume by playing us like a character and profiting from it people need to wake up.
We expect more from blackness based on color. The darker you are, particularly as a female, the harder you have to work. The lighter you are, black or nonblack, the less is expected of you as a performer. The more we want to claim you as black. Until we get past this issue, the more we will continue to let people who don't give two sh*ts about us, use us as springboards for their careers.
Drake started getting hate after he showed what he was packing. 😅😂
The reality is the industry is always trying to make these ambiguous looking people as not Black artist, did it Mariah.. Zendaya, Doja… & I’m sick of artist behaving like it’s not their responsibility. You want to use Black American influence but not be apart of us, which is counterproductive considering Beyoncé who has completely owned her Blackness even though she is also having ambiguous features, it’s the fuel completely owning who you are❤
I guess my issue is that these new artists will align themselves with black American culture until it is time to actually be considered black American. They are wanting the R without the B😒
You want African music, African resources, African culture but not African people? They're not American. Stop forcing them to be. What BA culture is Amapiano? She never asked you to invite her to your radio station. Invite Chloé.
@@limofootballWe ARE Africans, we don’t “want” African music, resources, and culture. It’s already ingrained in African Americans, a huge part of who we are. We embrace our African brothers and sisters from the continent. I think CTG was wrong to question Tyla when they asked not to address that. She doesn’t HAVE to call herself Black since she isn’t in South Africa. Everywhere else in the world sees her as Black and she looks it. She also addresses this in her statement. This matter is getting way out of hand and needs to be dropped. She knows who she is, period.
@@sayitloudblcknproudTyla looks Indian do not lie! Black people in South Africa do not even look like her, hence they gatekeep their blackness. TYLA looks like an Indian or Malaysian at best!
Like Karen said, she’s 22 years old. She’s inexperienced and didn’t know how to respond. She’ll memorize that statement and be ready for the next person who asks.
Why does racial classifications matter? From the outside, it may be odd, but it seems like South Africans are content with the colonial terms used to identify people.
One of America's greatest exports, is Black Music. People listen to us. Therefore, they want to put our voice in the hands of "Black" people like her. The same way they are doing in Hollywood and across all media. These people are Tehthering us and we can't have it. We are gate keeping our natural resource and Charlamayne did the right thing. Ask where you stand. They can think they are whatever and whoever they want, use your country's music to do so, not ours!
I believe she should have been prepared, period. This is the 21st century. For the statement to come out after says a lot. I wish her well, but young lady know who you are, not for your handlers to tell you who you are, and stand on it.❤
She knows who she is and has explained it before. People want to create problems instead of doing their own research
CTG is tone deaf. He's obsessed with phenotype.
Prayers 💕✌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿
She may not call herself blk, but she and her handlers go out of their way to follow the industry's code/culture created by and around USamerican blk people.
It's not Africa. It's really Alkebulan. The true name of Africa is Alkebulan.
What’s wrong with her wearing cornrows? Black Americans don’t own cornrows so what is the issue? And also, you are judging her based on your own history in Black America, she is not that, we don’t have your artists from the States having to do what we do when they travel, we don’t question their identity or history. And lastly, music is universal and you don’t own it, you can inspire a sound but you didn’t invent it, or music in general.
The breakfast club is not real journalism and Tyla could have answered a simple question
That's the thing, it's not a simple question. Being coloured in South Africa is complex.
Time to restate how ridiculous the concept of race is
I learned from Trevor Noah about colored classification in South Africa. Colored is what we in American call bi-racial or mullatto back in the day. South Africa has a lot of racial issues, that's why I am not interested in visiting there. I don't need to pay money to go on vacation and experience racial issues, I can stay here in America for that. I would like to visit Ghana, Tanzania, Ethiopia, Nigeria, Senegal, and Nigeria
So Charlemagne is going after this girl because she didn’t play someone’s diddy game?
I'm curious, should Black American artists who are mixed have to identify as "coloured" in South Africa with respect to South Africas cultural construct?
They don't because we don't care & we respect everyone else's culture
This is the problem with Black Americans 🤦🥴😮💨. Why should black Americans identify by race once they come and perform in SA 🇿🇦? Chris Brown is multi mixed who calls himself black but his race was never a qualifying matter for him to perform in South Africa 😮. Black American artists have been coming in Africa performing for us but we do not ask their race, we expect their work and performance to be good because we pay big money to watch them, simple. You are so obsessed with race it's painful to a point. TYLA is not black, her father is a full Indian man, and mom is half Indian, if anything it makes her more Indian than black or Zulu, which here granny is😮😮
This is actually so ridiculous. Even in terms of hairstyle. South Africans have their own views of things. Americans need to get off their high horse. Not everything is defined in American terms and views. She's coloured and South Africans see her as coloured. That's it. I've seen many, many coloured people in South Africa wearing their hair like that. I think we need to hear from black and coloured South Africans on their views.
She was blindsided….. for sure