Best video by you yet! I believe that the ausf F was truly the culmination of the panther family, with each preceding model encountering problematic issues like the unbalanced armour around the tank (especially the high angled 40mm sides) as well as that blasted frontal mantel armour. As such, it would have easily become the MBT of the Wehrmacht that would serve alongside the King Tiger, Jagdpanther, and the Hetzer. If all production went into the standardisation of these tanks, then the German tank force would have been truly unstoppable and ferocious. That's if Germany at that point wasn't losing the war.
The Panther has always amazed me... straight from the design table right to the battlefield within months. There was no time to get the wrinkles out before combat... the battlefield was its testing ground. Plus... that 75mm??? 👍🏾🇺🇸
@@ThatZenoGuy Jentz PanzerTruppen VOL II describes late war tank fire fights with same out come regardless of forces involved. However at the end of his Panther BOOK he details numerous clashes on WESTERN FRONT, where kills were obtained by Panther tanks at long range [~3km] , often in ambush events. not sure if the range finder was in use at that time.
All "what if questions" are perfectly valid if not vital due to the possibility of gaining more perspective on an event and its context in History . "Lazy Historians." can dismiss these threads , but their best path is to just not participate, Besides other than the last months of the war; issues of man power/resources/fuel shortages , just did not apply. The most important lesson for the Germans - in this case was the "Schmalturm turret" concept which emerged in 1941/42 and was on its way to deployment the following year, before Hitler cancelled it after the realities of Kursk /Italy caught up with them. This Recon AFV weight in at 21 tons with a 3-4 ton Schmalturm turret and 30-50mm armor..comparable to Panzer III but with a mini PANTHER hull ! 'A second model emerge in 1943 as PUMA for heavy wheeled re-con AFV with KwK-39 gun. The third internation was the PANTHER F appearing at the end of the war. So the question remains why not? Its turret armor featured the side turret armor sloped in such a way it dominated the front turret Profile. In the PANTHER F that was 60mm side turret armor @ 25o vertical and 65-70o horizontal [forming a hexagonal shape]. The compounded angle was 70o offering nearly 3 times LOS thickness from the frontal POV. However if you factor in T/D , the effective armor resistance diminishes with increasing over match of the enemy shells. But the possibilities existed to replace a 3.5 ton Pz-IV turret [75L48 gun and 50mm front turret armor and 30mm side armor, with a 3.5 ton "schmalturm turret" with the same gun, but offering 75mm armor over 3/4 front turret profile and 1/4 profile with 52mm....but it could be in production by 1943.
Can you please make a video on the STG-45M assault rifle that I believe had enormous game changing abilities for Germany to utilise? This rifle had great potential in being the successor to the Kar98K of the Heer, more so than the STG 44 which was completely unsuitable for a mass production standardised rifle of the Wehrmacht, and in my opinion should have been made the main infantry rifle of the Waffen SS due to its greater performance.
You do play a lot of WOT my friend, now hear this, panther f yes, definitely, but with a 900hp engine because of 60mm of side and rear armor and get rid of the bow gunner in favour of more ammo, extension of the rear of the turret to accommodate the radio and complete canceling of the tiger program
@@christopherkroussoratsky2014 yes, cylinder under the gun, was it the Kwk 44/1? Do you think the same could be done with the 88L71 for the King Tiger?
@@mauriciomorais7818 Yes, it was the KwK 44/1. There were plans to fit a range finder in the King Tiger but i have no information if the 88 L/71 was going to be modified in the same way. The roof of the turret on the King Tiger was higher than the Panther Schmallturm, so MAYBE there was no need to modify the gun.
This tank is another version for the Germans of "to little, to late"! Imagine this tank mass produced let loose on the Allies tanks, and the Soviet armor! Additionally the same with the new planes that would have come off the assembly line, had the war dragged on longer!
Germany was so hard pressed on the battlefield from all sides even on the home front in every possible way! Amazing how they could stay in the fight so long! Even more amazing is they could even develop new tanks and other weapon systems! And able to deploy them on the battlefield even though many if not all new weapons were so rushed into battle were still very effective at time even better than their enemies. The V2 rocket had gone through 63 thousand modifications during mass production. The type XXI U-boat went from design straight into mass production there was no prototype time did not allow for prototype and that was the type of pressure Germany was under.
They Lost. For every so called superior weapon they came up with, the Western Allies and Soviets were cranking out 100 times that in weapons that were good enough to get the job done. They were evil and they lost.
@@PatGilliland they got the job done because they were many more of the enemy than there were Germans and also the chief of German military intelligence Wilhelm Canaries was a traitor and also they had broken the German enigma code and were able to read Germany's most secrite messages. The US couldn't even win the Vietnam war and that was half a country, US and nato couldn't even defeat the Taliban during 20 years.
What would have changed? Nothing. The Soviets and the western allies were massivley out producing Germany in all areas and they had air superiority. A few hundred Panther F would not make the slightest bit of difference.
Resources, fuel, and trained manpower were extremely limited towards the end of the war. The Panther (F) would have had little to no significant effect on the outcome of the war had they been produced.
Wouldn’t have made much of a difference due to German’s lack of fuel. Also this tank line’s historically poor mechanical reliability and inability of maintenance companies to keep these monsters running. Also allied air superiority was a huge issue for German tanks. German tanks were doomed if they came out in the open. Also by late in the war the allied tanks were becoming equivalent to German armored vehicles.
Allied air superiority hardly affected german tanks at all. This is a myth. With the possible exception of the Normandy breakout heavy bombing; air attacks in WW2 primarily affected the light skinned support vehicles and or the transport system such as trains.
@@elizabethmiller7918 Close air support doesn’t have to directly destroy armored vehicles, especially Germany’s larger tanks. The number of support/maintenance vehicles and crews for these beast were staggering. Larger German tanks were fuel and maintenance hogs. They weren’t going anywhere on their own. These tanks were always getting stuck, couldn’t cross small bridges, slipping tracks , under powered engines burned out and transmissions were the real weak point. Tank crews simply couldn’t maintain these beasts on their own. The were totally dependent on “soft”massive support crews and vehicles. Battle of the Bulge for example heavy german armor ran out of gas due to allied air superiority! Bottom line: German Heavy armor couldn’t survive on its own. They were totally dependent on “soft” support vehicles and personnel.
Best video by you yet! I believe that the ausf F was truly the culmination of the panther family, with each preceding model encountering problematic issues like the unbalanced armour around the tank (especially the high angled 40mm sides) as well as that blasted frontal mantel armour. As such, it would have easily become the MBT of the Wehrmacht that would serve alongside the King Tiger, Jagdpanther, and the Hetzer. If all production went into the standardisation of these tanks, then the German tank force would have been truly unstoppable and ferocious. That's if Germany at that point wasn't losing the war.
The Panther has always amazed me... straight from the design table right to the battlefield within months. There was no time to get the wrinkles out before combat... the battlefield was its testing ground.
Plus... that 75mm???
👍🏾🇺🇸
Have a look online because I have seen in the last few weeks a video on the f and it shows a combat f in pictures having been captured
Excellent presentation. Didn't know most of this about the F varient. Always learn something on your channel. Well done, mate.
Did the rangefinder on the AUSF F make any difference to combat performance?
Significantly increases first-shot-hit ability for the tank.
@@ThatZenoGuy Jentz PanzerTruppen VOL II describes late war tank fire fights with same out come regardless of forces involved. However at the end of his Panther BOOK he details numerous clashes on WESTERN FRONT, where kills were obtained by Panther tanks at long range [~3km] , often in ambush events. not sure if the range finder was in use at that time.
@@paullakowski2509
No German tank in service had an operational inbuilt rangefinder.
All "what if questions" are perfectly valid if not vital due to the possibility of gaining more perspective on an event and its context in History . "Lazy Historians." can dismiss these threads , but their best path is to just not participate, Besides other than the last months of the war; issues of man power/resources/fuel shortages , just did not apply.
The most important lesson for the Germans - in this case was the "Schmalturm turret" concept which emerged in 1941/42 and was on its way to deployment the following year, before Hitler cancelled it after the realities of Kursk /Italy caught up with them. This Recon AFV weight in at 21 tons with a 3-4 ton Schmalturm turret and 30-50mm armor..comparable to Panzer III but with a mini PANTHER hull !
'A second model emerge in 1943 as PUMA for heavy wheeled re-con AFV with KwK-39 gun.
The third internation was the PANTHER F appearing at the end of the war. So the question remains
why not? Its turret armor featured the side turret armor sloped in such a way it dominated the front turret Profile. In the PANTHER F that was 60mm side turret armor @ 25o vertical and 65-70o horizontal [forming a hexagonal shape]. The compounded angle was 70o offering nearly 3 times LOS thickness from the frontal POV.
However if you factor in T/D , the effective armor resistance diminishes with increasing over match of the enemy shells.
But the possibilities existed to replace a 3.5 ton Pz-IV turret [75L48 gun and 50mm front turret armor and 30mm side armor, with a 3.5 ton "schmalturm turret" with the same gun, but offering 75mm armor over 3/4 front turret profile and 1/4 profile with 52mm....but it could be in production by 1943.
WW2 Germany ... The best fighting force the world had ever seen !!
That's why they got their asses kicked.
Dream on
Can you please make a video on the STG-45M assault rifle that I believe had enormous game changing abilities for Germany to utilise? This rifle had great potential in being the successor to the Kar98K of the Heer, more so than the STG 44 which was completely unsuitable for a mass production standardised rifle of the Wehrmacht, and in my opinion should have been made the main infantry rifle of the Waffen SS due to its greater performance.
Oh, very cool...!!
You do play a lot of WOT my friend, now hear this, panther f yes, definitely, but with a 900hp engine because of 60mm of side and rear armor and get rid of the bow gunner in favour of more ammo, extension of the rear of the turret to accommodate the radio and complete canceling of the tiger program
Could the rangefinder really fit above the gun breech? The recoil cilinders would bump the range finder, making gun depression impossible.
That's why Skoda redesigned the 75mm gun for the Schmallturm with the recoil cylinders re-positioned
@@christopherkroussoratsky2014 yes, cylinder under the gun, was it the Kwk 44/1?
Do you think the same could be done with the 88L71 for the King Tiger?
@@mauriciomorais7818 Yes, it was the KwK 44/1.
There were plans to fit a range finder in the King Tiger but i have no information if the 88 L/71 was going to be modified in the same way. The roof of the turret on the King Tiger was higher than the Panther Schmallturm, so MAYBE there was no need to modify the gun.
Without fuel,trained crew,air superiority,and parts,it would have made little difference
This tank is another version for the Germans of "to little, to late"! Imagine this tank mass
produced let loose on the Allies tanks, and the Soviet armor! Additionally the same with
the new planes that would have come off the assembly line, had the war dragged on
longer!
Germany was so hard pressed on the battlefield from all sides even on the home front in every possible way! Amazing how they could stay in the fight so long! Even more amazing is they could even develop new tanks and other weapon systems! And able to deploy them on the battlefield even though many if not all new weapons were so rushed into battle were still very effective at time even better than their enemies.
The V2 rocket had gone through 63 thousand modifications during mass production. The type XXI U-boat went from design straight into mass production there was no prototype time did not allow for prototype and that was the type of pressure Germany was under.
They Lost. For every so called superior weapon they came up with, the Western Allies and Soviets were cranking out 100 times that in weapons that were good enough to get the job done. They were evil and they lost.
@@PatGilliland they got the job done because they were many more of the enemy than there were Germans and also the chief of German military intelligence Wilhelm Canaries was a traitor and also they had broken the German enigma code and were able to read Germany's most secrite messages.
The US couldn't even win the Vietnam war and that was half a country, US and nato couldn't even defeat the Taliban during 20 years.
@@reginaldmcnab3265 Germany, best runner up in world wars twice in 25 years.
@@michaelkenny8540 I don’t understand what you are trying to say! Don’t be afraid to use more words, they are free
@@reginaldmcnab3265 Unlike Mr Humphries I am not...............
What would have changed? Nothing. The Soviets and the western allies were massivley out producing Germany in all areas and they had air superiority. A few hundred Panther F would not make the slightest bit of difference.
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Resources, fuel, and trained manpower were extremely limited towards the end of the war. The Panther (F) would have had little to no significant effect on the outcome of the war had they been produced.
Dammit,you got there before me,but let's not spoil the Wehraboos fun!
Wouldn’t have made much of a difference due to German’s lack of fuel. Also this tank line’s historically poor mechanical reliability and inability of maintenance companies to keep these monsters running. Also allied air superiority was a huge issue for German tanks. German tanks were doomed if they came out in the open. Also by late in the war the allied tanks were becoming equivalent to German armored vehicles.
Allied air superiority hardly affected german tanks at all. This is a myth. With the possible exception of the Normandy breakout heavy bombing; air attacks in WW2 primarily affected the light skinned support vehicles and or the transport system such as trains.
@@elizabethmiller7918 Close air support doesn’t have to directly destroy armored vehicles, especially Germany’s larger tanks. The number of support/maintenance vehicles and crews for these beast were staggering. Larger German tanks were fuel and maintenance hogs. They weren’t going anywhere on their own.
These tanks were always getting stuck, couldn’t cross small bridges, slipping tracks , under powered engines burned out and transmissions were the real weak point. Tank crews simply couldn’t maintain these beasts on their own. The were totally dependent on “soft”massive support crews and vehicles.
Battle of the Bulge for example heavy german armor ran out of gas due to allied air superiority!
Bottom line: German Heavy armor couldn’t survive on its own. They were totally dependent on “soft” support vehicles and personnel.
@@togo3624 Isnt that what I just said except with fewer words?
Would have… Could have… Should have, Germany LOST!!!!!!!!
All the cool kit doesn't matter when you manage to piss off most of the world.
But germans had shortages in critical strategic minerals to make reliable drive trains and armour for tanks and war material problem never solved.