O God.. when Frank explained the foreshadowing of Christ's sacrifice through Isaac's sacrifice moment, it brought me tears and also joy, knowing how lovely and good, beyond good our God is
@ Wow, just listen to yourself. How do I know that a child who's being tied up in order to be sacrifized, his dad coming at him with the knife to kill him, was psychologically hurt? Really? Can you take a guess?
@Eddieshred first, you said trauma. Now you're saying psychologically hurt.. now you're backtracking? I only asked a simple question. I didn't say Isaac was or wasn't traumatized. Calm down lol Isaac may have been traumatized, but he also may have been understanding and trusting of what God had commanded to his father. That could be the reason God chose to do this with Isaac in the first place 🤷♂️ Either way, God's plan is perfect, and the story of Abraham and Isaac has reached and taught many people to trust the Lord no matter what things may look like. You are only looking at the small picture
@@thizz707gr Listen to yourself again. So if it wouldn't technically be diagnosed as a trauma, which it would be in the majority, if not all instances, it's okay? Yeah you probably think child abbuse is to be taken lightly but I don't. It's not funny to me.
Here is how to prevent Bubonic Plague. (Bubonic Plague outbreaks are controlled by pest control and modern sanitation techniques.) In the years 1347 to 1351, 1/3rd of the population of Europe died to the Bubonic Plague. Parents would have been praying to Jesus of Christianity to protect themselves and their family from harm and children would have prayed to Jesus of Christianity to protect their parents from harm. Did Jesus tell them how to prevent the Bubonic Plague from killing people, when they were praying on how to protect themselves from harm? 1/3rd of the population died. The reason we don't usually have Bubonic Plague around is because of the modern sanitation and pest control. Was that to much for Jesus to explain to the Christians in Europe?
So what did the people of Europe need in the years 1347 to 1351? Did Europe need a Supernatural Superhero? Or did Europe need a Naturalism Hero with knowledge of Nature?
Most people of any age of humanity can write stories of Gods that can do miracles. The harder part is for people to be able to examine Nature successfully.
The Age of Enlightenment writers wrote about ancient Story Gods for the altar and for the throne, rule from both Religion and Government. That is why Age of Enlightenment Philosophers, directed us humans to Nature's God and not human created Story Gods. Thus Thomas Jefferson's "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." Jesus of Christianity is never a Nature's God.
The problem of Evil. Jesus of Christianity knew about how to prevent illnesses and diseased naturally, but chose not to tell humans because Jesus of Christianity is a special type of being.
From Google AI; The argument that Jesus is not God because he lacked scientific knowledge is a common viewpoint among non-believers, but it is based on a misunderstanding of the concept of divinity within Christianity; most Christians believe that Jesus, as God incarnate, chose to live as a human with the limitations of that time, including limited scientific understanding, while still possessing divine knowledge beyond human comprehension. Key points to consider: Nature of God: In Christianity, God is not defined by scientific knowledge but by attributes like omnipotence, omniscience, and love. Incarnation: Christians believe Jesus was "fully God and fully man," meaning he took on human limitations while still being divine. Purpose of Jesus' life: The focus is on Jesus' teachings, actions, and sacrifice on the cross, not necessarily his scientific knowledge. ------------------------end Google AI So faith in Jesus of Christianity is a special type of faith. A being that is completely moral and ethical, even though the Jesus being doesn't help humans in ways that the Christian God being can.
Even when he drowns every man, woman, fetus, puppy, kitten etc etc etc .. because he was mad. 9 million children a year suffer and die from cancer, rape, kidnapping, torture, abuse .. you can keep your demon. Ill worship ME !!! Grow up.
I will never question the comings and goings and the ways and means of the Lord my God. I pray only to be his humble servant and He to be the Lord my God.
I wonder why people believe in God. He doesn't do anything He doesn't talk to you He doesn't prove he's even real If you read the bible God kills the 1st born in egypt Forces women to marry the men who violate them Allows slavery
I don't believe there is a problem with wanting to know why God does what he does. There is a difference between questioning gods authority, and Seeking out his nature. God is not an irrational God. Generally speaking, there is typically a reason for why he does the things that he does. Proverbs 25:2 says it is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and it is the glory of kings to seek out a matter. The more we seek the nature of God and why he does what he does the better understanding we gain of his nature. I believe the problem comes when we get so consumed of wanting to know his reasons, that we were require it in order to believe
@@brahh8639 I have this problem, even though I was born into a Christian home, I still haven't been able to give my life to Jesus. I don't know what to do, I filled my mind with so much things of the bible, instead of just the learn the main point that is Jesus. Should I just ignore all this information and look for it as if I didn't know these parts?
Hi, dear friend! What parts of Scripture are you speaking about? There are several passages that have troubled me in the past as well. But learning to trust God has also led me to discover many things about those passages that once again showed the justice and mercy of God.
@@davimbr9092To me it sounds like a question of embracing humility. You should talk with your spiritual father about it - maybe fasting and practicing obedience would help. And, of course, prayer. You’ll get there someday - everyone has their struggles. Wish you all the best!
Wow, bro Gil several hours pass, but one troll just couldn't keep his mouth shut. Maybe you should tell him that the DNA of mankind had been corrupted hence the very GOOD reason to flood the earth.
Except for that time when He flooded the entire Earth... oh and that time when He killed all the innocent firstborns... oh and a couple of thousand other times.
@@Eddieshred after warning people for hundreds of years judgement will come eventually. A good father doesnt spoil their child or watches in ignorance as they kick, mock and kill other people. That son is going to jail, going to be put on trial, going to be taught a harsh lesson. A good father punishes and corrects when needed. The earth was horrific at the time. People are mad at God when he doesn't immediately take care of evil, yet when He does- God is evil? The double standard is baffling. God cant even kill, he just sends you to the next part of life. Without God children die for no reason, into emptyness never having a chance to have lived. With God they immediately live in eternity with Him, the source of all that is good. God is good, all the time. Not because he does Good but because he Is Good. We reject God so many times, we mock Him, choose false idols like money, pleasure, a pop star and worship them instead. When praying to them does nothing, they never protected you, blessed you, loved you with unconditional love. God can do whatever he wants like we got no reason to be still alive rn. Yet His mercy is so great we live, it rains on everybody, criminals and the commoner. Morality as a whole comes from God, without a God nothing is evil it's all relative. Survival of the fittest only the strong is correct. Yet we have a burning sense of justice. Thats Gods law written on your heart.
@billybob-ro6qf Yeah, that makes sense, but I just started passively rekindling my faith about a year ago (and a lot of that is thanks to Dr. Turek and Cliffe Knechtle). I just started committing to reading the Bible regularly this weekend. This is after about 10 years of simply believing, but being dead spiritually (extreme apathy and juggling what I believed - bad combo). When I did try to dive into the Old Testament, I was young (like high school and younger - so another 10+ years). I remember the stories, but it'll be interesting to see them through the lens of nearly a middle-aged man.
There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. Even Thanks word few for what you had done for us. Glory forever and ever 🙌🏼👑✝️
Not just shgould we accept God is good on faith but He and his actions are the very definition of good and the most pure example of goodness we could ever hope to imitate.
But if we don't understand why he does the things he does then we can't have a relationship with him and can't truly love him. It would be the same as a parent that punishes their children but never explains why they are punishing them leaving the child wondering it his parents are evil and just punishing them for no reason or for no good reason. Many atheist do not understand the God of the bible in why he does what he does so they can't have a relationship with him. When they hear about slavery or killing massive amounts of people in the bible they are left wondering why god let or commanded these things to happen and are left with no good answers. Many people go through the motions of getting saved and go to church every sunday but the only reason they got saved was from fear of hell and nothing else. They never truly loved God for who he is because they read the bible but never understand why he does the things he does.
Even when he drowns every man, woman, fetus, puppy, kitten etc etc etc .. because he was mad. 9 million children a year suffer and die from cancer, rape, kidnapping, torture, abuse .. you can keep your demon. Ill worship ME !!! Grow up.
Even when he drowns every man, woman, fetus, puppy, kitten etc etc etc .. because he was mad. 9 million children a year suffer and die from cancer, rape, kidnapping, torture, abuse .. you can keep your demon. Ill worship ME !!! Grow up.
@jeffbebe5085 Always taking the Bible out of context to suit yourself. That is old, anything new to add what have not been properly discussed many many times?
@@0i7PX72Nga Written by old white men to control the UN EDUCATED ... its all been debunked by 3rd graders. there is NO ghost in the sky. GROW UP !!!!!!
Here's the thing: if you're saying "God is good all the time," you've got to square that with the Bible itself. In Genesis 6:7, God says He'll wipe out all humans and animals because He regrets making them-literally drowning the world, including children and animals, because He's mad. That doesn't scream "all-good." Then there's stuff like 2 Kings 2:23-24, where God sends bears to kill 42 children for mocking a prophet. Or Exodus 12:29, where He kills every firstborn in Egypt, including babies. These aren't cherry-picked-they're just uncomfortable truths. If God's all-powerful, He could've chosen better ways to handle these situations. If He's all-good, He wouldn't need to resort to mass murder to make a point. You can't just wave this stuff away by calling it "out of context." The Bible's full of examples like these, and they don't match the idea of a loving, benevolent deity.
Evil won't create life with an abundance of resources to enjoy, freedom to make choices and the ability ro reject its own Creator and provider. We've seen evil rule throughout history and it never gives that much while taking that little. Evil is what people do to each other to benefit themselves at others expense.
Festus (paraphrase) - • We've seen evil rule throughout history. • Evil is what people do to each other to benefit themselves at other's expense. Response - Congratulations on describing Chrstnty so perfectly.
@@jackalsgate1146it is interesting on how many actions are referred to by Christians are evil but then suddenly become “righteous” because they were done by their god. This god can commit the most heinous acts with impunity simply because of that blind faith
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 1 John 4:8. In this text it is made clear that God is Love, He is not love because He does loving things, He does loving things because He "IS LOVE". And "we love him because he first loved us." 1 John 4:19. It is this perception of His character which first draws us to Him,-"the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance." Rom. 2:4. By this we are made partakers of the divine nature, that is, adopted into the family of God. But all this comes about by choice, no man is forced, or compelled to accept salvation, this choice is given because He is Love.
There are people who will blame God for freewill then blame God if we didn't have it. So I think sometimes people just want someone to blame. Do you no longer live in a free country because your actions have consequences, Will you complain that you don't truly have the freewill to do what you want because if you commit crime you can go to jail and get a sentence? I feel like that's the same exact logic people have with God. , That we don't have freewill because choices have consequences. Some people just don't like accountability, because that's basically saying it's not "fair" that your choices will have an outcome which doesn't make much sense. If i make a bad decision in life and suffer for it then it doesnt mean that I didn't really have the freedom to do it, it means I chose poorly.
I will say this: I’m a Christian. A God fearing, gospel loving, scripture understanding Christian. I also like and support Frank Turek. That said, I’m starting to notice that Frank will get very straightforward questions and reply with an extremely ambiguous, winding response that confuses me and I can’t imagine how it confuses non believers or those trying to learn. Kind of disappointing.
GOD is good , thats why he delivers justice upon evil. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil
Both good and evil can be used in right and wrong ways, so I consider God to be the standard of righteousness not the standard of goodness (because righteousness is better than goodness) and he delivers justice upon both good and evil being used the wrong way.
To get an idea of the meaning of that word good, consider the words of Jesus when He asked the question of the rich young ruler. Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God. According to Jesus, good means perfect.
@@watchmanofthenight2700 says: *To get an idea of the meaning of that word good, consider the words of Jesus when He asked the question of the rich young ruler. Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God.* *According to Jesus, good means perfect.* No...perfect means perfect. There are levels leading to perfection and they start out with good, then very good, and then finally perfect. God called creation very good not perfect when he created it. You see since God is the only thing in existence that is perfect, and God is eternal then logically perfection is something that can't be created because whatever is created by God is going to be a step below him and that step below God is very good not perfect.
@ Not trolling at all. Just talking. Example the great flood. Millions if not billions died a horrible death. Drowning is scary to say the least. I almost died by drowning when I was 12. It still frightens me. To think God did that to all those people and animals is not just and very sick.
Well, if I recall correctly, part of the definition for God, as I recall, is the being of maximal goodness. So, in essence, by definition, God is good, and then we should add if the God of the Bible is that God we're looking for. As for the answer from the perspective of getting to know Him, we first need to check to see what the definition of good is. Are we using someone's personal definition, or are we using an objective definition? The problem today is that many people don't have a real definition outside of their personal ones for each situation. So I'd first ask them what they mean by good and maybe have a discussion first about the meaning before advancing. Which is also not something that probably should be done in a comment's section.
maybe we can try to have something or other in the comments section-- So let's say (hypothetically) I agree that there is Good that exists in the world as a fact on it's own. I can look at a flower and know it is yellow because I see it, and I can look at something evil and know it is Bad because I see it, and Goodness and Badness are just things that exist in the world. Is there a reason I would need a god to ground it? If Good exists, maybe we can say either it has a grounding in God who has no grounding, or Good exists with no grounding. Is there a reason one makes more sense than the other?
@DepthCharge01 Let's say no I don't. Just like I see and know the flower is yellow, and yellow just exists, good just exists. I can't define it, is that a problem?
I think I know what you're saying, people have their own definition of what it means to be "good" and it's usually something along the lines of ..well I'm not a murderer and I try to be nice to people so I'm technically "good", I noticed most people will say that they are in fact "good people", but usually based on humanly standards. If we measured it using God's morals then it will be a very humbling answer instead.
I think this is a popular question because people have a different definition of what good means, good means something different in wordly standards. "How can God be good if people suffer?", There also seems to be this misunderstanding that because us believers have faith that we have a hundred percent blind belief in Christ and that we don't think about life or question anything ever when a lot of believers have very conplex testimonies and backgrounds of how they got here. Maybe instead of looking at the worlds standards of "good" , we look at God's then try to determine why or how he's always good even when we aren't. People seem to not want accountability for the fact that most things in life, the trouble we have on earth, is in some shape or form is people's fault because humans are sinful. They're not gonna praise Jesus when good things happen but they're surely gonna blame a God they (claim they dont) believe in for every bad thing that occurs.
@@somerandom3247 Read Bible, which solves most of your questions. You may/must be unable to understand difficult ones within scripture, is understandable so that we'll misinterpreted Bible which is wrong thing to do.
@ I've read the bible, it doesnt contain the answer to my question. If you believe it does, then perhaps you could answer the question for me instead of avoiding it?
@@somerandom3247 The Bible does answer your question , the whole book of Genesis alone can tell you why bad things happen or why he "allows" it. I did just briefly mention the common logic people have of "how is he good if bad things happen?", but that's a broad question because there's many reasons why bad things happen (besides mentioning cancer) The majority of the bad things that go on are the doing of people, but instead the blame goes straight to God. Part of the reason for that is because most people think they are good with decent morals, If we think about the worldly definition of good , the standards aren't that high. Most think they're not that bad, which is why "sin" and conviction is a hard concept for people. when you ask about the "bad" things in scripture that God allows, let's look at the context here. Anyone in general can show a small part of a random scripture without the backstory, then say "he's cruel bc this happened", but said people usually didn't study the context of what was happening/ why. I highly encourage others to not just read it but study it with an open mind and not preconceived feelings involved. There's not a story of him doing something "mean" for absolutely no deserved reason. To understand the spiritual meaning of "good" you have to start by understanding what sin is and why it's a bigger deal than we think. Biblically even historically , The only ones being absolutely terrible with no good reason are humans. God is still good, people just aren't. You also would have to look at it through a spiritual lens, if you believe this life is the only one we're gonna experience then it's easier to get mad at life because we can't grasp the concept of there actually being a bigger picture.
@@davidarvingumazon5024so in order to believe that this hod is good you simply relinquish to the claim that it is good? Or…we look at what this god allegedly did in the bible. Which clearly is not good
@@ccrow3355 // "an evil God wouldn't allow Good" // Lol a good God wouldn't allow evil much less create it dear. But of course morality has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone's subjective "God" regardless
@@ccrow3355 Lol teleological evil dear, you know things like Tsunamis, earthquakes, viruses diseases, cancers, are you claiming your God didn't create them ?
@@ccrow3355 I'm sorry but do you not realise that according to the biblical naratives it was GOD that created *EVIL* in the first place. ? 👇👇👇👇 Isaiah 45:7 7 *"I form the light, and create darkness I make peace, and create EVIL I the Lord do all these things"*
I would add Joseph's story. His brothers sold him into slavery, later when he was working at Potiphar's house he was accused of something he didn't do and was thrown into jail. One can ask how we can call God as good if he lets such atrocities occur. Well later on Joseph not only saved the people of Egypt from starvation (thanks to God's gift he translated Pharo's dream and advised him to save some grain for bad years that were about to come) but ultimately saved his family as well when they came for grain from their fathers land. At the reunion, he forgave his brothers for all the wrongdoings knowing that thanks to God's will with all the hardships along the way all of that was meant to happen for him to be able to save his people, not get corrupted by resentment and reunite with his father and family
This is how so many atrocities, cruelties and injustices occurred in history in the name of a god…because it is believed by its followers that whatever a god demands is moral. Clearly not the case
#1 Are morals objective? #2 Are there objective moral duties? #3 Is it immoral not to do an objective moral duty? #4 Does god do the objective moral duties? #5 Is it an objective moral duty to save a drowning person if you are of sound mind and can do it with no risk to yourself? #6 Would it be objectively immoral to punish someone for a crime they did not commit? #7 Would you consider a parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put the best con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it an objectively moral parent?
@macmac1022 Morals are objective, as they're grounded in God Who is the Moral Absolute. God has no duties toward anyone. If the all-good God has allowed evil to propagate in the world, He could've only done so if He had morally sufficient reasons.
Isaiah 55: 8-9 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."
Jesus Christ walked among us as God in the flesh. I find it very difficult to justify yourself against any of his teachings as well as any of his actions as being anything other than the epitome of what it means to be "good". If anyone disagrees, then please explain how and why. And be specific.
He sent Satan to earth. Good/bad. Depends on ur perspective of Satan. If u blame Satan for war then u blame god. If I send a cereal killer to a society for it to prey on. Am I being good
@@WilliamPangilinan-u7kwell, perhaps you would be acting outside of your domain? If you live under a system that does not allow for you to do such things then you do them, then bad.
@ Have you ever read the Bible? Because it does teach that Jesus Christ will return to rule for 1,000 years here in earth. It's called faith for a reason. To believe without having seen. Read the passage about "doubting Thomas".
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Let's not forget the 10 Commandments come before Jesus. So Frank's explanation about temporary commands and Jesus coming with new ones is simply not true. So when God orders 42 children to be torn apart by 2 bears for calling someone a name, that's morally good? Just wow. I'm so very greatful I was able to escape the brainwashing.
I do believe in the Bible. I trust in Christ. Yes, I think that God is good, but have I had my doubts? Not in the Bible, not in Christ, but that God is good? Yes, I've had those doubts. I landed in the fact that without God, where would we be? What would we be? So I keep trusting in him.
God is good (e.g. always acts in an eternal righteous manner), just and Holy (pure perfect loving motive). Many (if not most) humans: 1) Illogically prioritize their sliver of existence in their physical (bound by scientific law) vessel over their eternal existence not bound by scientific law 2) Don't realize that each human has the free will for an ever-changing degree of opened heart and a level of spiritual purity 3) Aren't really aware that prior to the establishment of the new covenant, only two humans had a spiritual connection with God (Adam and Eve). With the new covenant, anyone that truly wants to have a genuine and growing eternal relationship with God can get baptized to create the Holy Spirit empowered spiritual connection to God the Father through Jesus. Frank should have brought up how countless times, prior to the established new covenant (Jesus atoning for all human sin thus no more punishment from God...until after the rapture of course), God punished via destroying humans and gave direction to the Israelites to punish via destroying humans (Israelites and non-Israelites) and why. He should have also brought up why God punished and wouldn't allow Moses into the promised land and why...and where Moses is right now. Where Moses is right now shows that God's punishment is just (e.g. best for all of existence including the humans punished).
@@mlwilliams4407 1) It's logical to prioritize our physical existence since evolution has instilled in us a strong survival instinct. Furthermore, there isn't good evidence for an afterlife, let alone an eternal existence not bound by scientific laws. 2) There's no free will. 3) Adam and Eve likely never existed and the Genesis cosmogony is evidently mythical and not scientific.
@@vladtheemailer3223 Sure! 1. God’s nature (that's flows from Him to existence) is the standard of goodness...specifically God’s essence (eternally righteous, loving, holy, and just) defines the standard of good. 2. We see God’s goodness reflected in His actions documented throughout Scripture: Creation: God made the universe in harmony and beauty, declaring it "very good" (Genesis 1:31). Provision: He provides for all His creation (Matthew 6:26). Redemption: The ultimate expression of His goodness is Jesus Christ’s sacrifice to reconcile humanity to Himself, showing the depth of divine love (Romans 5:8). 3. Your question also touches on situations where God punished or judged people in Scripture, which can seem at odds with His goodness. Here’s why punishment aligns with God’s just and holy nature: Justice and Holiness: God's goodness includes justice; evil cannot go unchecked. The punishment of sin reveals His commitment to righteousness (Romans 3:25-26). Redemptive Purpose: Even in judgment, God often worked to guide humanity back to Him. For example, His discipline of Israel aimed to purify them (Hebrews 12:6-11). Eternal Perspective: Moses was disciplined by God and barred from entering the Promised Land (Numbers 20:12). However, Moses remains in eternal fellowship with God (Luke 9:30-31). God’s actions reflect an eternal justice that transcends human immediate circumstances. 4. Why do humans question God’s goodness? Finite Understanding: Human perspective is limited by time and context, while God’s actions are grounded in His eternal purpose (Isaiah 55:8-9). Different Priorities: Often, humans focus on temporary physical well-being, while God is ultimately concerned with eternal restoration and relationship (2 Peter 3:9). 5. Moral standards are meaningful because they are grounded in God’s unchanging nature. If there’s no ultimate, eternal standard (like God), morality becomes subjective and situational. To say something is "good" or "evil" presupposes a reference point outside of individual or cultural preference. Hope this helps!
@@Eddieshred 1. You mentioned that it’s logical to prioritize human physical existence due to evolutionary survival instincts and a lack of evidence for an afterlife. Let’s unpack this: - Survival instincts, driven by evolution, do help humans prioritize immediate needs. But humans also uniquely ponder existential questions...meaning, purpose, and life after death. This ability shows humans are wired for more than survival; humans are spiritual beings seeking ultimate answers. - While evidence for an afterlife isn’t as measurable as physical phenomena, there are compelling philosophical arguments (e.g., the desire for justice, near-death experiences, and the universal search for transcendence). Christianity’s historical foundation, particularly the resurrection of Jesus, is an evidential event pointing to eternal life (1 Corinthians 15:12-19). - If eternal existence is true (which it is), then focusing solely on human physical life is akin to prioritizing a fleeting moment over lasting significance. It’s worth becoming aware of how eternal truths redefine and expand what’s logical. 2. You stated, "There’s no free will," likely referring to debates in neuroscience and philosophy. Here are a few points to consider: - While neuroscience shows that unconscious processes influence decisions, this doesn’t negate free will. Free will doesn’t imply absolute independence from influences but the human ability to deliberate, reason, and act meaningfully. - Free will is a gift that allows humans to choose love, goodness, and relationship with God. Love that is coerced isn’t genuine. If free will didn’t exist, moral responsibility and justice lose coherence...yet humans live as if accountability is real. - Hard determinism undercuts itself. If every thought is determined, including the idea "there’s no free will," why should humans trust that conclusion? Free will, while logically mysterious to humans that are currently only truly interested in a subset of a subset of a subset of existence, aligns with both human experience and God’s design. 3. Your current perspective that Adam and Eve didn’t exist and Genesis is mythical is shared by many humans. - True Christians are capable to be aware that Genesis is a literal account. Many humans view it as a theological narrative revealing truths about humanity’s relationship with God, moral agency, and sin. - Even if interpreted symbolically, Adam and Eve encapsulate human origins, moral awakening, and the universal need for redemption...truths that remain relevant. - Science explains how creation unfolded; Genesis focuses on why. They don’t have to contradict. For instance, the Big Bang theory and our Creator initiating the universe align with each other. Hope that helps.
Very valid question but perhaps I can clarify with an analogy: consider the law of gravity. It is an objective reality-unchanging and universally applicable. However, its application is contingent on variables like air resistance, mass, and inertia. For example, planes can fly, and people can jump or glide, not because gravity stops existing, but because other laws-also objective-interact with it. Gravity remains objectively binding, but how it plays out depends on the larger system of interacting forces. Similarly, objective morality can have applications that vary depending on time, place, and circumstance, without losing its objective nature. Take the example of the Jewish dietary laws. According to Christianity, God’s moral law is objective, but certain aspects of it, like prohibitions against eating pork, were given to the Jews for a specific time and purpose. Before Christ, it was objectively wrong for a Jew to eat pork. After Christ’s ministry, that prohibition was lifted. The objective moral fact includes qualifiers-time (before or after Christ), person (Jew or non-Jew), and purpose (to set apart God’s people for a specific covenant). These qualifiers don’t negate objectivity; they are part of it. Ignoring context when discussing objective morality is like saying gravity isn’t real because people don’t always die from falling due to factors like parachutes or wind resistance. From a Christian perspective, morality is grounded in God’s unchanging nature. For instance, we abhor murder because it violates God’s value for human life, which reflects His nature. Our nerve endings, emotions, and sense of justice all testify to this objective standard. Without God, morality reduces to preferences or survival mechanisms. For example, a virus might 'prefer' to destroy your immune system because it benefits its survival, while you view that as harmful. Without an objective standard, like God’s will, these become competing perspectives with no higher authority to define what is good or evil. But if God’s will establishes good and evil, it is objectively evil for a virus to compromise your health because that contradicts God’s value for life. I hope this explanation makes things clearer.
@ Wind resistance, or mechanical advantage don't effect gravity at all. They don't interact. you can overcome gravity to an extent, but it is still always the same. To tie that to your pork example, its like saying its always objectively wrong to eat pork, but you can physically do it.. Still wrong tho. What do you mean by gods unchanging nature?? You gave murder as an example, but god murders a lot of people in the bible.... so I'm not sure how you get from god killing everyone to killing everyone is wrong... "Our nerve endings, emotions, and sense of justice all testify to this objective standard." What? how? We don't need a god to define good and evil for us, humans did that just fine all on their own. Your explanation here didn't clear anything up. it just raised more questions.
There is no such thing as 'objective' morality. Morality is the cognitive process of differentiating between human intentions, decisions, and actions that are morally appropriate (ought to occur in a certain dilemma) from those inappropriate (ought not to occur in a certain dilemma). Like all cognitive assessments, moral assessments always and necessarily involve the subject's own biases, experience, attitude, and other personal considerations. Therefore, morality is _always and necessarily_ SUBJECTIVE. Each and every individual is the sole arbiter of his or her own morality. I, and I alone, determine which human behaviors are moral, amoral, or immoral, just as everyone else does.
God is good, just and Holy (pure perfect loving motive). Many (if not most) humans: 1) Illogically prioritize their sliver of existence in their physical (bound by scientific law) vessel over their eternal existence not bound by scientific law 2) Don't realize that each human has the free will for an ever-changing degree of opened heart and a level of spiritual purity 3) Aren't really aware that prior to the establishment of the new covenant, only two humans had a spiritual connection with God (Adam and Eve). With the new covenant, anyone that truly wants to have a genuine and growing eternal relationship with God can get baptized to create the Holy Spirit empowered spiritual connection to God the Father through Jesus. Frank should have brought up how countless times, prior to the established new covenant (Jesus atoning for all human sin thus no more punishment from God...until after the rapture of course), God punished via destroying humans and gave direction to the Israelites to punish via destroying humans (Israelites and non-Israelites) and why. He should have also brought up why God punished and wouldn't allow Moses into the promised land and why...and where Moses is right now. Where Moses is right now shows that God's punishment is just (e.g. best for all of existence including the humans punished).
One day on this life or after, you will realise there was only 1 person that ever truly loved you unconditionally and that is Jesus. He is God. This world is wicked and evil if you ever read the bible you would understand we have free will for a reason, I hope you seek the truth before it’s too late
I had the "why would a good God allow suffering discussion?" with a guy who plays sports. I asked him this question: Is it okay for God to allow suffering if something he know is better results? He said, "No, if God is Good he shouldn't allow suffering even if there are better results." I asked him if he'd ever lifted weights while training to be a better athlete. He said yes. I asked him if his muscles ever hurt after the training. He said yes. I asked him why he would cause himself to suffer. He said that he did it for the long-term greater gain. That to get better muscles, he had to endure some pain. "No pain, no gain." I waited 10 seconds, just looking at him. He finally "got it".
Just like a parent slowly lets the child do things like a parent bird letting their baby try to fly and sometimes, there is stumbling and tumbling before they get it. 😊
@ well, in a way there was. They suffered the pain of being thrown out and discovering they’d screwed up. God still provided for them and made a way. No, the New Heavens and Earth will be amazing. Paradise will be as well. People have almost crossed over and sensed peace, love and eternal light. I think we would be overwhelmed to actually see it. The Pastors son expressed stories of a place of infinite beauty and wonder. Trust Him. Too many NDE’s have happened. The world will make of it what they will. I was sent back. After 3.5 days.
People struggle with this because it’s too easy to view God as an external entity that you can believe or not believe and is just sort of over in heaven sitting there. But God is sustainer of all things and creator of all things. So it’s less of a good vs bad. It’s godly vs ungodly and He sets the standard. It’s easier to think of this when you’re a parent. If I tell my kids not to do something like don’t hit them that’s their “good”. That’s their law. So when I tell them to kick, scream, and hit someone trying to grab them am I telling them to do evil or am I being inconsistent? No. I had purpose
Even when he drowns every man, woman, fetus, puppy, kitten etc etc etc .. because he was mad. 9 million children a year suffer and die from cancer, rape, kidnapping, torture, abuse .. you can keep your demon. Ill worship ME !!! Grow up.
I actually wrote a little passage about this topic a few months ago, { Now, let’s provide evidence for why God is all-good, instead of just claiming that He is all-good. God is good because He created morality along with the universe; He is the author of morality. Being bad is simply irrational, as it only brings short-term gratification. God is eternal, so He doesn’t care about short-term gratification-only about the longest term (which is the essence of eternity). He is also all-knowing because everything in this universe must exist within His mind in order to exist at all. Consider it this way: if you only need to speak one sentence to create an entire universe (from the Latin universum, meaning “one spoken sentence”), you probably know everything, because you are that powerful. It’s like when you imagine something: you create the rules for that scenario. For existence to be logical and orderly, there must be a hierarchy of lawgivers. The highest lawgiver must know every detail of order and logic. This being is who we call God. }
If God is the creator of the universe I can accept him being omniscient. If he created everything he would know everything. I can accept omnipotence. If he created everything he can do anything. I can even accept omnipresence because he's not a physical being and energy exists everywhere. But what's that have to do with being good?
He didn't really answer the question. 1. Is there anything that God could do that would cause you to conclude that he's not good? 2. If goodness is defined by God's nature, then it's essentially meaningless to praise him for being good. You are just praising him for being himself, which is true of everyone.
We are all invited to question God in all of his aspects. Doing so with commitment and sincerity will always confirm what has been told. Blind faith will always be inferior to informed faith. We are called to proclaim the Gospel, after all. We need arguments more compelling than "because I said so".
God exists, and no explanation of His existence can be given. Even so it is the same with love, for love is simply the life of God. "Every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." 1 John 4:7, 8.
You’re wrong. 1. The question, “Why is there anything rather than nothing?” implies the existence of an eternal dimension. Time begins and ends, and the idea of existence arising from nothing would be irrational without the presence of an eternal dimension. (Time starts at 0; there is no evidence for negative time.) 2. In our dimension, complexity is finite and evolves over time. There cannot be infinite complexities in our dimension, as it does not allow for physical infinites. 3. Based on this reasoning, we can conclude that complexity in the eternal dimension must be infinite. In an eternal dimension, time cannot exist, as time inherently requires change and progression. Without time, there is no space for complexity to evolve or develop gradually. For example, in our dimension, complexity evolves through processes like natural selection, which rely on the passage of time. However, an eternal dimension must exist in a state of infinite completeness, as a timeless realm cannot accommodate gradual change or evolution. This infinite complexity, fully realized without dependence on time, is what we would call God.
@@lawrenceeason8007 pray for wisdom. 1. The question, “Why is there anything rather than nothing?” implies the existence of an eternal dimension. Time begins and ends, and the idea of existence arising from nothing would be irrational without the presence of an eternal dimension. (Time starts at 0; there is no evidence for negative time.) 2. In our dimension, complexity is finite and evolves over time. There cannot be infinite complexities in our dimension, as it does not allow for physical infinites. 3. Based on this reasoning, we can conclude that complexity in the eternal dimension must be infinite. In an eternal dimension, time cannot exist, as time inherently requires change and progression. Without time, there is no space for complexity to evolve or develop gradually. For example, in our dimension, complexity evolves through processes like natural selection, which rely on the passage of time. However, an eternal dimension must exist in a state of infinite completeness, as a timeless realm cannot accommodate gradual change or evolution. This infinite complexity, fully realized without dependence on time, is what we would call God.
@@Bazoeti wisdom comes from logic, wellbeing and evidence. 1. Everything you think, know and believe comes from within the properties of our universe. What is beyond our universe is yet unknown, although a number of scientists believe it could be pure energy. 2. Yes…and? 3. Yes energy could be infinite. Energy is everywhere. Energy takes new forms every day…no god(s) evident
I have serious reservations with Divine Simplicity. I would reject it outright as it's derived from Platonism, and ultimately results in modal collapse. God is triune. Before creation God alone exists. God is good because he eternally does good. God is love because he is eternally loving.
Not really. U just gave me permission to assault you, just so long as I pay a large fee. Righteousness isn't a prostitute. It is of God if it is biblical (in context).
@MitsaelT I leave comments on lots of videos, but it's true that I comment a lot on this creator's material. Saying that I'm addressing something I don't believe in is mistaken, and not very imaginative on your part. I am addressing *people*- those that watch this material, and are taken in by it. I think this particular person presents a great deal of sophistry and extremely poorly supported conjecture. In a larger sense, I think that magical thinking is very dangerous, and responsible for a lot of the erosion of critical thinking in the USA, where I live. I'm trying to do my part to point out the really thin and inadequate reasoning that Turek publishes.
@@drumrnva too much wasted energy on something you don’t believe in. If you truly think it’s false, let it fall apart on its own. Go enjoy life. You’re trying to put out a forest fire with a water gun. It’s only been 2000 years, it’s bound to die out someday soon
We know God is good because He made us in His image. No more evident in this, do unto others as you would have them do to you. Man instinctively knows what is good and evil simply through his/her own self-preservation. No one wants to be murdered, stolen from, cheated on, lied to, etc. Knowing this is Knowing what is good and evil. On the other hand man is a hypocrite and thinks so highly of himself, allowing him/her to believe that they are held a different standard, this is man establishing their own righteousness.
@lawrenceeason8007 Awe, is somebody not liking what they see in the mirror? No, what God made from the dust wasn't His image. His image was the spirit He made and put in the body of Adam. 1 Corinthians 15:44 King James Version 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
@@MyRoBeRtBaKeRI’m asking you a question. Did this god design mankind…mankind that is so evil? What does that say about gods design skills? I love myself. I’m a good person, as I don’t believe this belief is real.
@lawrenceeason8007 Man wouldn't be evil if they would have walked with Him. Rather, they walked according to the lusts of their hearts. which led to their current design.
All you have to do is look around at everything that is NOT man made to see that God is good. Your very existence is evidence of God’s goodness. He is allowing you to be a part of His creation. Now you get a choice of where to spend eternity: with Him or without Him and He will not force His will on anyone.
God would not ask us to do something evil. “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1 NIV
Our entire morality, moral code, knowledge and awareness of right and wrong all flow out of the character and essence of God and who He is. For the sake of argument, imagine that the supreme, omnipotent, eternal God of the universe was spiteful, belligerent, dishonest, vindictive, callous, unloving, and whatever else you can imagine. Would He still be God? Yes, by definition, He would be. But He would not be the God we know nor the God of the bible. God's very nature and character are the diametrical opposite of all those things. A good God---the God who actually is---would never ask us to commit evil because He cannot. There is nothing in His nature or character that would allow Him to do so.
The real question is this: evil according to what standard. If there is no standard then there is no evil. One persons evil may seem to another good. Without the EXTERNAL standard of good, we have no basis for even calling G-d’s actions good or evil. The actions may be on a level we cannot understand any more than an infant or even a pet doesn’t understand shots for their protection. Very loose and bad example but let’s say we are trying to judge based on our own standard of good and evil. The question is where do we get the standard that can not be a matter of perspective and the other question is who are you that because you don’t understand think G-d answers to you?
Why do many people, still, even in this 21st century, blindly BELIEVE in the existence of some fake creators, when there is a possibility to REALISE the actual cause for Creation?😮😅😊
There’s a disconnect with people on believing objective morality could exist without God which it can’t. Notice I’m not saying humans can’t subjectively create a moral system absence of God but that it simply wouldn’t be justifiable. I like using an analogy of a board game. Let’s say a board game spontaneously appeared from errr a big bang out of nowhere…but it only came with the board and game pieces yet no instruction book. You could make up your own rules to the game. You could find that they work and are fulfilling. You could even persuade others that you invite over to your house to adopt the same rules you came up with while playing the game. But there’s nothing obligating every person in your town, state, country, or from other countries around the world to adopt the same rules when playing since there’s literally no official rules. There was no creator to the game. Now contrast that with buying a monopoly board game(or any other popular game of your choosing) that has a definitive created rule manual. There is an objective way to play the game. Now people can still choose to play it however they want by creating “house rules” but no one can argue that an authoritative rules of the game exists for how it’s meant to be played coming from its creator.
"God doesn't dictate good, he is essentially good" "Oh but this one time for Isrealites it was immoral to eat shrimp, but it is no longer. But good is essential to God, not whatever he says is good" 😆😆😆😆
Some people think that they are smarter than they are, which is a very comical deception. They have this idea that God is some arbitrary force that they can outsmart, and do "one-up" on so that their moral lifestyle goes unchallenged. Not a good platform to be supported by.
This young woman’s heart is in the right place. And in her spirit feels something is off between Jesus teaching and the Old way. And there is. Perfect example is Jesus in Matthew 5:33-37 explaining to not take oaths, as commanded in Deuteronomy 6:14 and 10:20 in the name of LORD/YHWH. Let your yes be yes and no be no. Jesus said, Anything more is of the evil one. James 5:12 reiterates same thoughts so you don’t fall under judgement. It’s a trap.
You know, there are other books, than the 66 books found in the bible. For example, the Catholic bible has six books not found in the King James Version of the Bible. King James has Maccabees. The book of Jude quotes Enoch word for word in Jude 14. Moses who wrote the torrah, also wrote Jubilees, but Jubilees is not in the bible. Baruch wrote about Jeremiah, and Jeremiah wrote about Baruch in each others book, and both agree on the interaction. Etc. Why bring this up? Because most questions regarding the basic questions of our lives are answered amongst all of these books. This is how I know the meaning of life. This is how I have understanding. So, now you can too. So, for example... life is a test. Thats why we are here.
So many folks believe that when Adam and Eve sinned, God had the option of doing nothing about it. He absolutely 100% did not have that option because of his inherent goodness. Imagine you're talking to somebody on the side of a road and they get angry at you and walk away Not paying attention and get hit by a truck. If you're a good person, can you just walk away from that? Of course not. That's absurd. God must always choose the good because that is his nature. But because of his goodness, he also cannot tolerate sin forever.
@@TheoSkeptomai3 Know that people believe this? Or know that this is God's nature? For the former, I hear it from them all the time. For the latter, it seems to be God's nature as conveyed in the word of God. God has purpose in EVERYTHING he does. Take Israel for example. They were completely undeserving of His love. And yet, the prophecies foretold of their exile and their return, for His glory, and for His love of them. And then again they foretold of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D hundreds of years before, and of their return; once again for His Glory and for His love of them. It is that love that drives Him to try and help us. Plus, the obvious ones... Luke 23:34 (ESV) 34 And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Matthew 5:7 (ESV) “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. Matthew 5:43-45 (ESV) 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. Matthew 22:39 (ESV) 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. God only asks of us from that which is HIS nature. i.e. he would be a hypocrite to ask us to do those things, but not do it himself. Except, we know that's exactly what he did. He valued us equal to Himself, or He could not have laid His life down for us. I’d ask you this question to nail it home. If God was to forsake us after the fall, would he be loving us as He does Himself? Would he be blessing those who curse him? Would he be praying for those who persecuted him?
@@TheoSkeptomai3 Know that people believe this? Or know that this is God's nature? For the former, I hear it from them all the time. For the latter, it seems to be God's nature as conveyed in the word of God. God has purpose in EVERYTHING he does. Take Israel for example. They were completely undeserving of His love. And yet, the prophecies foretold of their exile and their return, for His glory, and for His love of them. And then again they foretold of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D hundreds of years before, and of their return; once again for His Glory and for His love of them. It is that love that drives Him to try and help us. Plus, the obvious ones... Luke 23:34 (ESV) 34 And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Matthew 5:7 (ESV) “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. Matthew 5:43-45 (ESV) 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. Matthew 22:39 (ESV) 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. God only asks of us from that which is HIS nature. i.e. he would be a hypocrite to ask us to do those things, but not do it himself. Except, we know that's exactly what he did. He valued us equal to Himself, or He could not have laid His life down for us. I’d ask you this question to nail it home. If God was to forsake us after the fall, would he be loving us as He does Himself? Would He be blessing his enemies? Would he be praying for his enemies?
@@TheoSkeptomai3 Know that people believe this? Or know that this is God's nature? For the former, I hear it from them all the time. For the latter, it seems to be God's nature as conveyed in the word of God. God has purpose in EVERYTHING he does. Take Israel for example. They were completely undeserving of His love. And yet, the prophecies foretold of their exile and their return, for His glory, and for His love of them. And then again they foretold of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D hundreds of years before, and of their return; once again for His Glory and for His love of them. It is that love that drives Him to try and help us. Plus, the obvious ones... Luke 23:34 (ESV) 34 And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Matthew 5:7 (ESV) “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. Matthew 5:43-45 (ESV) 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. Matthew 22:39 (ESV) 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. God only asks of us from that which is HIS nature. i.e. he would be a hypocrite to ask us to do those things, but not do it himself. Except, we know that's exactly what he did. He valued us equal to Himself, or He could not have laid His life down for us. I’d ask you this question to nail it home. If God was to forsake us after the fall, would he be loving us as He does Himself? Would He be blessing his enemies? Would he be praying for his enemies?
@@TheoSkeptomai3God is infinite complexity in the eternal dimension. There are only two infinites on a moral perspective: infinitely good (God) and infinitely bad (anti-God/Satan). God made us as individuals to choose between these two for the possibility of love
Jesus did not abolish the dietary laws. It bothers me when fellow Christians say we can eat whatever we want. There were ceremonial laws concerning ancient Israel that are no longer of effect, but the dietary laws are not ceremonial.
@@ryanharrison2260 ? 1 John 4:1 "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God." There's a difference between tempting and testing.
this response fails to adequately address the Euthyphro dilemma. it relies on circular reasoning, moral arbitrariness, and consequentialist arguments to justify divine commands, even those that appear morally reprehensible. it also ignores alternative theological perspectives and fails to provide an objective standard of goodness outside of God's own nature.
Ravi Zacharias (I know, I know) was on video from years ago, proving, just with logic, that ...if there was a God, then that God is good. I contacted RZIM and they didn't know how to find the video...if anyone knows I would appreciate it.
As far as the Old Testament is concerned, much of what God told Israel was for their instruction, or their ability to survive and not be like the child-sacrificing polytheistic peoples they were surrounded by. Why did God put them where they were surrounded by such peoples? So Israel could be a witness to the nations!
@@vladtheemailer3223It is though lol. Morals are set by either the Designer of life, society you live in, or the individual. society choosing gives us Nazis. Individuals give us serial killers. Thank God that He DOES decide and that He IS good so that the laws we get result in the olivette discourse which is the most morally sound document to ever exist and this is even agreed upon by secular teachers as well
@andrewbornemann3334 No, it's not objective at all, and no God is needed. Please answer a few questions. Was the holocaust morally right or wrong, and why? Was the slaughter of the Canaanites morally right or wrong, and why?
Jesus showed us the way to: Love those who might not deserve it Deal with our sin Live righteously And yes even follow God's laws ... not for salvation but because we're saved!!! He did NOT come so we can continue in sin!
@Eddieshred He offers us eternity .... in His house! But, not just anyone....there are rules! It's His house and His rules. If you don't want Him, you'll have to build your own house and spend eternity there.....until you can figure out how to make your own place! Until then, you have 2 choices .... should be easy, but for some, it's not!
@Eddieshred No ... saved from an eternity where there is no peace, no happiness, no love .... etc. Sadly people would rather spend eternity separated from an all loving God!
Imagine the *Perfect Baseball Pitcher.* Perfect aim. Infinite throwing power. Knowledge of everything (including the wind, how to deal with the wind, and any obstacles the might block the shot). *Wherever the ball lands, it was the Pitcher's intent, right?* Well God is all-knowing and all-powerful and had no collaborators in creating our universe. A universe with evil. Self-contradicting things cannot exist. They can't be true. For example there are no 4-sided triangles because the two parts of its definition contradict one another. So either A. One accepts logic, and God can't exist due to the contradiction between "all-good" and intentionally causing all evil, OR B. One ignores logic, and blindly accepts God without question. (Questions are dangerous to belief.)
Here's the thing: if God's all-powerful and all-knowing, then every bit of suffering and evil in the world is intentional. You can't have it both ways. Either God wanted evil to exist, which makes Him not all-good, or He couldn't stop it, which makes Him not all-powerful. Religious apologists sometimes claim "free will" is the answer, but that doesn’t hold up. If God made us knowing we'd cause evil, then He's still responsible for creating that outcome. Plus, a truly all-powerful God could've designed a world where free will exists without suffering-He'd know how, right? The logic just doesn't add up. Either you abandon reason to believe in God, or you accept that this "perfect, all-good deity" is a flawed concept.
It's odd how 'don't murder' is one of the Ten Commandments, yet the Bible's full of stories where God orders massacres, including children. Examples? 1 Samuel 15:3 - God commands Saul to kill men, women, children, and even animals. Deuteronomy 2:34 - Israelites destroy entire cities, sparing no one. And saying those nations sacrificed children doesn't justify slaughter; it just swaps one atrocity for another. If God's all-powerful, couldn't he stop child sacrifice without commanding genocide? Sounds more human than divine.
The dietary law is not in place? The Bible says our body is His temple so if you eat unclean food then you are making His temple dirty. I believe in the Health message.
The dietary laws weren't overturned. Jesus fulfilled the entire law which was given to us in love. Jesus never ate unclean food. It's the easiest thing to do to be Christlike. Using Peter's dream to say good law was overturned is theologically incorrect, as Peter himself flatly rejected that and refused to break those laws. If Peter, who had that dream, didn't interpret it that way, who are we to say Peter is wrong on that? Swine is unclean.
@@user-zr6pl6nb6z I didn't get a notification of your reply. I checked my history and noticed your reply. Acts 10:15 has to do with Acts 10:11-14, not Acts 10:28 which has to do with people. Rom 14:14-17 makes it clear that we are free to eat what we want but that we are to be careful to not let what we eat be a stumbling block. Back in those days it was a transitional period where it took time for those who daily observed the food restrictions to switch to our new law of liberty.
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O God.. when Frank explained the foreshadowing of Christ's sacrifice through Isaac's sacrifice moment, it brought me tears and also joy, knowing how lovely and good, beyond good our God is
Foreshadowing is a nice literary device, but how morally abhorrent to let a child go through this trauma just for a nice literary device in a book.
@Eddieshred how do you know Isaac was traumatized by that?
@ Wow, just listen to yourself. How do I know that a child who's being tied up in order to be sacrifized, his dad coming at him with the knife to kill him, was psychologically hurt? Really? Can you take a guess?
@Eddieshred first, you said trauma. Now you're saying psychologically hurt.. now you're backtracking?
I only asked a simple question. I didn't say Isaac was or wasn't traumatized. Calm down lol
Isaac may have been traumatized, but he also may have been understanding and trusting of what God had commanded to his father. That could be the reason God chose to do this with Isaac in the first place 🤷♂️
Either way, God's plan is perfect, and the story of Abraham and Isaac has reached and taught many people to trust the Lord no matter what things may look like. You are only looking at the small picture
@@thizz707gr Listen to yourself again. So if it wouldn't technically be diagnosed as a trauma, which it would be in the majority, if not all instances, it's okay? Yeah you probably think child abbuse is to be taken lightly but I don't. It's not funny to me.
Thank you Lord Jesus
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Frank handled this question like an absolute KING. Love to see it! God’s wisdom is so good
Here is how to prevent Bubonic Plague.
(Bubonic Plague outbreaks are controlled by pest control and modern sanitation techniques.)
In the years 1347 to 1351, 1/3rd of the population of Europe died to the Bubonic Plague.
Parents would have been praying to Jesus of Christianity to protect themselves and their family from harm and children would have prayed to Jesus of Christianity to protect their parents from harm. Did Jesus tell them how to prevent the Bubonic Plague from killing people, when they were praying on how to protect themselves from harm? 1/3rd of the population died. The reason we don't usually have Bubonic Plague around is because of the modern sanitation and pest control. Was that to much for Jesus to explain to the Christians in Europe?
So what did the people of Europe need in the years 1347 to 1351? Did Europe need a Supernatural Superhero? Or did Europe need a Naturalism Hero with knowledge of Nature?
Most people of any age of humanity can write stories of Gods that can do miracles. The harder part is for people to be able to examine Nature successfully.
The Age of Enlightenment writers wrote about ancient Story Gods for the altar and for the throne, rule from both Religion and Government. That is why Age of Enlightenment Philosophers, directed us humans to Nature's God and not human created Story Gods. Thus Thomas Jefferson's "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." Jesus of Christianity is never a Nature's God.
The problem of Evil. Jesus of Christianity knew about how to prevent illnesses and diseased naturally, but chose not to tell humans because Jesus of Christianity is a special type of being.
From Google AI;
The argument that Jesus is not God because he lacked scientific knowledge is a common viewpoint among non-believers, but it is based on a misunderstanding of the concept of divinity within Christianity; most Christians believe that Jesus, as God incarnate, chose to live as a human with the limitations of that time, including limited scientific understanding, while still possessing divine knowledge beyond human comprehension.
Key points to consider:
Nature of God:
In Christianity, God is not defined by scientific knowledge but by attributes like omnipotence, omniscience, and love.
Incarnation:
Christians believe Jesus was "fully God and fully man," meaning he took on human limitations while still being divine.
Purpose of Jesus' life:
The focus is on Jesus' teachings, actions, and sacrifice on the cross, not necessarily his scientific knowledge.
------------------------end Google AI
So faith in Jesus of Christianity is a special type of faith. A being that is completely moral and ethical, even though the Jesus being doesn't help humans in ways that the Christian God being can.
Even when he drowns every man, woman, fetus, puppy, kitten etc etc etc .. because he was mad. 9 million children a year suffer and die from cancer, rape, kidnapping, torture, abuse .. you can keep your demon. Ill worship ME !!! Grow up.
I will never question the comings and goings and the ways and means of the Lord my God. I pray only to be his humble servant and He to be the Lord my God.
I wonder why people believe in God.
He doesn't do anything
He doesn't talk to you
He doesn't prove he's even real
If you read the bible
God kills the 1st born in egypt
Forces women to marry the men who violate them
Allows slavery
I don't believe there is a problem with wanting to know why God does what he does. There is a difference between questioning gods authority, and Seeking out his nature. God is not an irrational God. Generally speaking, there is typically a reason for why he does the things that he does. Proverbs 25:2 says it is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and it is the glory of kings to seek out a matter. The more we seek the nature of God and why he does what he does the better understanding we gain of his nature. I believe the problem comes when we get so consumed of wanting to know his reasons, that we were require it in order to believe
@@brahh8639 I have this problem, even though I was born into a Christian home, I still haven't been able to give my life to Jesus. I don't know what to do, I filled my mind with so much things of the bible, instead of just the learn the main point that is Jesus. Should I just ignore all this information and look for it as if I didn't know these parts?
Hi, dear friend! What parts of Scripture are you speaking about? There are several passages that have troubled me in the past as well. But learning to trust God has also led me to discover many things about those passages that once again showed the justice and mercy of God.
@@davimbr9092To me it sounds like a question of embracing humility. You should talk with your spiritual father about it - maybe fasting and practicing obedience would help. And, of course, prayer. You’ll get there someday - everyone has their struggles. Wish you all the best!
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Thank you CrossExamined
Thanks brother!
God is good all the time and all the time God is good ..
So it would be good for someone to drown every living creature they could like your god supposedly did?
Wow, bro Gil several hours pass, but one troll just couldn't keep his mouth shut. Maybe you should tell him that the DNA of mankind had been corrupted hence the very GOOD reason to flood the earth.
Who’s Fod?
Except for that time when He flooded the entire Earth... oh and that time when He killed all the innocent firstborns... oh and a couple of thousand other times.
@@Eddieshred after warning people for hundreds of years judgement will come eventually. A good father doesnt spoil their child or watches in ignorance as they kick, mock and kill other people. That son is going to jail, going to be put on trial, going to be taught a harsh lesson. A good father punishes and corrects when needed. The earth was horrific at the time. People are mad at God when he doesn't immediately take care of evil, yet when He does- God is evil? The double standard is baffling. God cant even kill, he just sends you to the next part of life. Without God children die for no reason, into emptyness never having a chance to have lived. With God they immediately live in eternity with Him, the source of all that is good. God is good, all the time. Not because he does Good but because he Is Good. We reject God so many times, we mock Him, choose false idols like money, pleasure, a pop star and worship them instead. When praying to them does nothing, they never protected you, blessed you, loved you with unconditional love. God can do whatever he wants like we got no reason to be still alive rn. Yet His mercy is so great we live, it rains on everybody, criminals and the commoner. Morality as a whole comes from God, without a God nothing is evil it's all relative. Survival of the fittest only the strong is correct. Yet we have a burning sense of justice. Thats Gods law written on your heart.
I've always struggled with that exact story and... That's the best explanation I've ever heard.
Many scriptures in the Old Testament foreshadow things Jesus has done for us in the New.
@billybob-ro6qf Yeah, that makes sense, but I just started passively rekindling my faith about a year ago (and a lot of that is thanks to Dr. Turek and Cliffe Knechtle). I just started committing to reading the Bible regularly this weekend. This is after about 10 years of simply believing, but being dead spiritually (extreme apathy and juggling what I believed - bad combo). When I did try to dive into the Old Testament, I was young (like high school and younger - so another 10+ years). I remember the stories, but it'll be interesting to see them through the lens of nearly a middle-aged man.
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Thank you Frank for your videos. You have brought millions of people to Christ 😊
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There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
Even Thanks word few for what you had done for us. Glory forever and ever 🙌🏼👑✝️
If they get an early trip to paradise, how is it some great love for their friend?
While busy with Joe Rogan, Alex and Huff😅 almost forgot Crossexamined 😅. Good to be back 🎉 Frank
Welcome back!
Not just shgould we accept God is good on faith but He and his actions are the very definition of good and the most pure example of goodness we could ever hope to imitate.
But if we don't understand why he does the things he does then we can't have a relationship with him and can't truly love him. It would be the same as a parent that punishes their children but never explains why they are punishing them leaving the child wondering it his parents are evil and just punishing them for no reason or for no good reason.
Many atheist do not understand the God of the bible in why he does what he does so they can't have a relationship with him. When they hear about slavery or killing massive amounts of people in the bible they are left wondering why god let or commanded these things to happen and are left with no good answers.
Many people go through the motions of getting saved and go to church every sunday but the only reason they got saved was from fear of hell and nothing else. They never truly loved God for who he is because they read the bible but never understand why he does the things he does.
Be blessed and may the Spirit of the Lord be upon you @Cross Examined
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Very loving brother. Encouragement for your brethren as our Lord Jesus asks of us. God bless and protect you.
Even when he drowns every man, woman, fetus, puppy, kitten etc etc etc .. because he was mad. 9 million children a year suffer and die from cancer, rape, kidnapping, torture, abuse .. you can keep your demon. Ill worship ME !!! Grow up.
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I know God exists. But i have faith that all He does is good.
Even when he drowns every man, woman, fetus, puppy, kitten etc etc etc .. because he was mad. 9 million children a year suffer and die from cancer, rape, kidnapping, torture, abuse .. you can keep your demon. Ill worship ME !!! Grow up.
GOD IS GOOD ALL THE TIME! ALL THE TIME GOD IS GOOD!
@jeffbebe5085 Always taking the Bible out of context to suit yourself. That is old, anything new to add what have not been properly discussed many many times?
@@0i7PX72Nga Written by old white men to control the UN EDUCATED ... its all been debunked by 3rd graders. there is NO ghost in the sky. GROW UP !!!!!!
Here's the thing: if you're saying "God is good all the time," you've got to square that with the Bible itself. In Genesis 6:7, God says He'll wipe out all humans and animals because He regrets making them-literally drowning the world, including children and animals, because He's mad. That doesn't scream "all-good."
Then there's stuff like 2 Kings 2:23-24, where God sends bears to kill 42 children for mocking a prophet. Or Exodus 12:29, where He kills every firstborn in Egypt, including babies. These aren't cherry-picked-they're just uncomfortable truths.
If God's all-powerful, He could've chosen better ways to handle these situations. If He's all-good, He wouldn't need to resort to mass murder to make a point. You can't just wave this stuff away by calling it "out of context." The Bible's full of examples like these, and they don't match the idea of a loving, benevolent deity.
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Substance
Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please him
Notice it doesn't say it's blind.
@ It's never blind, people of the spirit can see the work of God
Creation, Morality, Design of the earth
If you say you have no sin the Truth is not in you and you deceive yourself. All the time God is good, God is good all the time.
Evil won't create life with an abundance of resources to enjoy, freedom to make choices and the ability ro reject its own Creator and provider.
We've seen evil rule throughout history and it never gives that much while taking that little.
Evil is what people do to each other to benefit themselves at others expense.
Festus (paraphrase) -
• We've seen evil rule throughout history.
• Evil is what people do to each other to benefit themselves at other's expense.
Response -
Congratulations on describing Chrstnty so perfectly.
@@jackalsgate1146it is interesting on how many actions are referred to by Christians are evil but then suddenly become “righteous” because they were done by their god. This god can commit the most heinous acts with impunity simply because of that blind faith
@@lawrenceeason8007but atheists are no different. So I wouldn’t really be so arrogant.
@@richiejourney1840how are atheists in any way part of that description?
@@lawrenceeason8007 why do atheists fein they do no wrong under their own gods?
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The Bible proves his righteousness
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It also proves why we know we can trust God. God laid down His life to save us.
So many of the narratives in the bible, especially the OT, paint a god of malevolence and injustice
He sent Satan here. So I know he’s good and only good
@@WilliamPangilinan-u7k Satan doesn’t exist, but Santa does I’ve seen him in many shopping centres.
I find it amusing that skeptics think they are on the same level as a God to have the audacity to pass judgement on Him. Sounds narcissistic to me
This was a beautiful clip. Well handled.
Thanks for tuning in!
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 1 John 4:8.
In this text it is made clear that God is Love, He is not love because He does loving things, He does loving things because He "IS LOVE".
And "we love him because he first loved us." 1 John 4:19.
It is this perception of His character which first draws us to Him,-"the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance." Rom. 2:4. By this we are made partakers of the divine nature, that is, adopted into the family of God.
But all this comes about by choice, no man is forced, or compelled to accept salvation, this choice is given because He is Love.
Exactly! Love is not forced but a free choice.
Accept salvation from what? From what your God is going to do to you unless you accept? Isn't that coercion, a threat of harm unless you comply?
@@SGOV86is it love when under threat?
There are people who will blame God for freewill then blame God if we didn't have it. So I think sometimes people just want someone to blame. Do you no longer live in a free country because your actions have consequences, Will you complain that you don't truly have the freewill to do what you want because if you commit crime you can go to jail and get a sentence? I feel like that's the same exact logic people have with God. , That we don't have freewill because choices have consequences. Some people just don't like accountability, because that's basically saying it's not "fair" that your choices will have an outcome which doesn't make much sense. If i make a bad decision in life and suffer for it then it doesnt mean that I didn't really have the freedom to do it, it means I chose poorly.
I will say this:
I’m a Christian. A God fearing, gospel loving, scripture understanding Christian.
I also like and support Frank Turek.
That said, I’m starting to notice that Frank will get very straightforward questions and reply with an extremely ambiguous, winding response that confuses me and I can’t imagine how it confuses non believers or those trying to learn.
Kind of disappointing.
GOD is good , thats why he delivers justice upon evil.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil
Both good and evil can be used in right and wrong ways, so I consider God to be the standard of righteousness not the standard of goodness (because righteousness is better than goodness) and he delivers justice upon both good and evil being used the wrong way.
@danielblair4413 sounds fair and educated. Thank you for the comment
To get an idea of the meaning of that word good, consider the words of Jesus when He asked the question of the rich young ruler. Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God.
According to Jesus, good means perfect.
@@watchmanofthenight2700 says: *To get an idea of the meaning of that word good, consider the words of Jesus when He asked the question of the rich young ruler. Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God.*
*According to Jesus, good means perfect.*
No...perfect means perfect.
There are levels leading to perfection and they start out with good, then very good, and then finally perfect.
God called creation very good not perfect when he created it.
You see since God is the only thing in existence that is perfect, and God is eternal then logically perfection is something that can't be created because whatever is created by God is going to be a step below him and that step below God is very good not perfect.
@@watchmanofthenight2700 Also you need to consider the fact that good can be used in wrong ways.
Nobody can argue before Christ's Love
He's not only good...He's ~just~.
Not if you accept what the bible says
@ what?
Not always according to the Bible.
@@NickGagnon-y7e are yall trolls? Show me where God wasn't just in His judgment.
@ Not trolling at all. Just talking. Example the great flood. Millions if not billions died a horrible death. Drowning is scary to say the least. I almost died by drowning when I was 12. It still frightens me. To think God did that to all those people and animals is not just and very sick.
I see what you did there with the foreshadowing ("four" shadowing) at 3:22
Very nicely done 😀
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Well, if I recall correctly, part of the definition for God, as I recall, is the being of maximal goodness. So, in essence, by definition, God is good, and then we should add if the God of the Bible is that God we're looking for.
As for the answer from the perspective of getting to know Him, we first need to check to see what the definition of good is. Are we using someone's personal definition, or are we using an objective definition? The problem today is that many people don't have a real definition outside of their personal ones for each situation. So I'd first ask them what they mean by good and maybe have a discussion first about the meaning before advancing. Which is also not something that probably should be done in a comment's section.
Seems like pure assertion
maybe we can try to have something or other in the comments section--
So let's say (hypothetically) I agree that there is Good that exists in the world as a fact on it's own. I can look at a flower and know it is yellow because I see it, and I can look at something evil and know it is Bad because I see it, and Goodness and Badness are just things that exist in the world.
Is there a reason I would need a god to ground it? If Good exists, maybe we can say either it has a grounding in God who has no grounding, or Good exists with no grounding. Is there a reason one makes more sense than the other?
@@mamusipipalisajelo5419 Can you even define good?
@DepthCharge01 Let's say no I don't. Just like I see and know the flower is yellow, and yellow just exists, good just exists. I can't define it, is that a problem?
I think I know what you're saying, people have their own definition of what it means to be "good" and it's usually something along the lines of ..well I'm not a murderer and I try to be nice to people so I'm technically "good", I noticed most people will say that they are in fact "good people", but usually based on humanly standards. If we measured it using God's morals then it will be a very humbling answer instead.
I like the old Frank Turek videos when there wasn't ominous noise in the background
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I think this is a popular question because people have a different definition of what good means, good means something different in wordly standards. "How can God be good if people suffer?", There also seems to be this misunderstanding that because us believers have faith that we have a hundred percent blind belief in Christ and that we don't think about life or question anything ever when a lot of believers have very conplex testimonies and backgrounds of how they got here.
Maybe instead of looking at the worlds standards of "good" , we look at God's then try to determine why or how he's always good even when we aren't.
People seem to not want accountability for the fact that most things in life, the trouble we have on earth, is in some shape or form is people's fault because humans are sinful. They're not gonna praise Jesus when good things happen but they're surely gonna blame a God they (claim they dont) believe in for every bad thing that occurs.
How are you deriving what is good from the stories of your god?
What he does? What he commands others to do? What he allows to happen?
@@somerandom3247 Read Bible, which solves most of your questions. You may/must be unable to understand difficult ones within scripture, is understandable so that we'll misinterpreted Bible which is wrong thing to do.
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I've read the bible, it doesnt contain the answer to my question.
If you believe it does, then perhaps you could answer the question for me instead of avoiding it?
@@somerandom3247 The Bible does answer your question , the whole book of Genesis alone can tell you why bad things happen or why he "allows" it. I did just briefly mention the common logic people have of "how is he good if bad things happen?", but that's a broad question because there's many reasons why bad things happen (besides mentioning cancer) The majority of the bad things that go on are the doing of people, but instead the blame goes straight to God.
Part of the reason for that is because most people think they are good with decent morals, If we think about the worldly definition of good , the standards aren't that high.
Most think they're not that bad, which is why "sin" and conviction is a hard concept for people. when you ask about the "bad" things in scripture that God allows, let's look at the context here. Anyone in general can show a small part of a random scripture without the backstory, then say "he's cruel bc this happened", but said people usually didn't study the context of what was happening/ why. I highly encourage others to not just read it but study it with an open mind and not preconceived feelings involved. There's not a story of him doing something "mean" for absolutely no deserved reason. To understand the spiritual meaning of "good" you have to start by understanding what sin is and why it's a bigger deal than we think.
Biblically even historically , The only ones being absolutely terrible with no good reason are humans. God is still good, people just aren't. You also would have to look at it through a spiritual lens, if you believe this life is the only one we're gonna experience then it's easier to get mad at life because we can't grasp the concept of there actually being a bigger picture.
@@davidarvingumazon5024so in order to believe that this hod is good you simply relinquish to the claim that it is good?
Or…we look at what this god allegedly did in the bible. Which clearly is not good
Who has the gifts of healthy sight and mind?
Who can withstand while the others are blown away?
Frank’s position is a faith position. God is good because God is good. The Bible says so.
No its a philosophical argument. An arbitrary God can't be trusted and can't be good and an evil God won't allow good. So both are impossible
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Lol a good God wouldn't allow evil much less create it dear. But of course morality has nothing whatsoever to do with anyone's subjective "God" regardless
@@trumpbellend6717 why would a good God not allow evil? Evil is the absence of good. He didn't create evil
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Lol teleological evil dear, you know things like Tsunamis, earthquakes, viruses diseases, cancers, are you claiming your God didn't create them ?
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I'm sorry but do you not realise that according to the biblical naratives it was GOD that created *EVIL* in the first place. ?
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Isaiah 45:7
7 *"I form the light, and create darkness I make peace, and create EVIL I the Lord do all these things"*
I would add Joseph's story. His brothers sold him into slavery, later when he was working at Potiphar's house he was accused of something he didn't do and was thrown into jail. One can ask how we can call God as good if he lets such atrocities occur. Well later on Joseph not only saved the people of Egypt from starvation (thanks to God's gift he translated Pharo's dream and advised him to save some grain for bad years that were about to come) but ultimately saved his family as well when they came for grain from their fathers land. At the reunion, he forgave his brothers for all the wrongdoings knowing that thanks to God's will with all the hardships along the way all of that was meant to happen for him to be able to save his people, not get corrupted by resentment and reunite with his father and family
We don’t have to. The Scripture is abundant evidence of God’s ultimate goodness in every way in every situation at all times. God bless you!
Your opinion
A god who murders children is not a good god
God commanded the slaughter of infants. (Samuel)
Great question!
This is how so many atrocities, cruelties and injustices occurred in history in the name of a god…because it is believed by its followers that whatever a god demands is moral. Clearly not the case
Oh the mental gymnastics….
Our faith is not blind as the bible is the foundation for what we believe.
The Bible? 😂
It's not just that God is good. God IS the good.
#1 Are morals objective?
#2 Are there objective moral duties?
#3 Is it immoral not to do an objective moral duty?
#4 Does god do the objective moral duties?
#5 Is it an objective moral duty to save a drowning person if you are of sound mind and can do it with no risk to yourself?
#6 Would it be objectively immoral to punish someone for a crime they did not commit?
#7 Would you consider a parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put the best con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it an objectively moral parent?
@@macmac1022You can look these questions up on the internet. Add the words “orthodoxy” or “orthodox answer” and you’ll get good dogmatic answers
@macmac1022 Morals are objective, as they're grounded in God Who is the Moral Absolute. God has no duties toward anyone. If the all-good God has allowed evil to propagate in the world, He could've only done so if He had morally sufficient reasons.
@@john4elohim Can you answer the questions? You answered #1 with yes, but then you avoided all the rest of the moral questions.
@@macmac1022 _"Can you answer the questions?"_ --> Can you stop putting yourself on a pedestal to demonize the eternal, infallible God?
Isaiah 55: 8-9 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."
Jesus Christ walked among us as God in the flesh. I find it very difficult to justify yourself against any of his teachings as well as any of his actions as being anything other than the epitome of what it means to be "good". If anyone disagrees, then please explain how and why. And be specific.
Why can’t this god “walk” amongst us now? To do otherwise is to encourage disbelief
He sent Satan to earth. Good/bad. Depends on ur perspective of Satan. If u blame Satan for war then u blame god. If I send a cereal killer to a society for it to prey on. Am I being good
@@lawrenceeason8007or to encourage a more intensely felt free will.
@@WilliamPangilinan-u7kwell, perhaps you would be acting outside of your domain? If you live under a system that does not allow for you to do such things then you do them, then bad.
@ Have you ever read the Bible? Because it does teach that Jesus Christ will return to rule for 1,000 years here in earth.
It's called faith for a reason. To believe without having seen. Read the passage about "doubting Thomas".
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Let's not forget the 10 Commandments come before Jesus. So Frank's explanation about temporary commands and Jesus coming with new ones is simply not true.
So when God orders 42 children to be torn apart by 2 bears for calling someone a name, that's morally good? Just wow.
I'm so very greatful I was able to escape the brainwashing.
I do believe in the Bible. I trust in Christ. Yes, I think that God is good, but have I had my doubts? Not in the Bible, not in Christ, but that God is good? Yes, I've had those doubts. I landed in the fact that without God, where would we be? What would we be?
So I keep trusting in him.
at 2 min, where did jesus do away with the food rules?
He didn't. I just posted about this, myself. Even Noah, before the Law of Moses was handed down, knew which animals were clean and unclean.
I’m not sure how you could read the OT and come to the conclusion god is good
God is good (e.g. always acts in an eternal righteous manner), just and Holy (pure perfect loving motive). Many (if not most) humans:
1) Illogically prioritize their sliver of existence in their physical (bound by scientific law) vessel over their eternal existence not bound by scientific law
2) Don't realize that each human has the free will for an ever-changing degree of opened heart and a level of spiritual purity
3) Aren't really aware that prior to the establishment of the new covenant, only two humans had a spiritual connection with God (Adam and Eve). With the new covenant, anyone that truly wants to have a genuine and growing eternal relationship with God can get baptized to create the Holy Spirit empowered spiritual connection to God the Father through Jesus.
Frank should have brought up how countless times, prior to the established new covenant (Jesus atoning for all human sin thus no more punishment from God...until after the rapture of course), God punished via destroying humans and gave direction to the Israelites to punish via destroying humans (Israelites and non-Israelites) and why. He should have also brought up why God punished and wouldn't allow Moses into the promised land and why...and where Moses is right now. Where Moses is right now shows that God's punishment is just (e.g. best for all of existence including the humans punished).
@@mlwilliams4407 1) It's logical to prioritize our physical existence since evolution has instilled in us a strong survival instinct. Furthermore, there isn't good evidence for an afterlife, let alone an eternal existence not bound by scientific laws.
2) There's no free will.
3) Adam and Eve likely never existed and the Genesis cosmogony is evidently mythical and not scientific.
@@mlwilliams4407 By what standard is God good?
@@vladtheemailer3223 Sure!
1. God’s nature (that's flows from Him to existence) is the standard of goodness...specifically God’s essence (eternally righteous, loving, holy, and just) defines the standard of good.
2. We see God’s goodness reflected in His actions documented throughout Scripture:
Creation: God made the universe in harmony and beauty, declaring it "very good" (Genesis 1:31).
Provision: He provides for all His creation (Matthew 6:26).
Redemption: The ultimate expression of His goodness is Jesus Christ’s sacrifice to reconcile humanity to Himself, showing the depth of divine love (Romans 5:8).
3. Your question also touches on situations where God punished or judged people in Scripture, which can seem at odds with His goodness. Here’s why punishment aligns with God’s just and holy nature:
Justice and Holiness: God's goodness includes justice; evil cannot go unchecked. The punishment of sin reveals His commitment to righteousness (Romans 3:25-26).
Redemptive Purpose: Even in judgment, God often worked to guide humanity back to Him. For example, His discipline of Israel aimed to purify them (Hebrews 12:6-11).
Eternal Perspective: Moses was disciplined by God and barred from entering the Promised Land (Numbers 20:12). However, Moses remains in eternal fellowship with God (Luke 9:30-31). God’s actions reflect an eternal justice that transcends human immediate circumstances.
4. Why do humans question God’s goodness?
Finite Understanding: Human perspective is limited by time and context, while God’s actions are grounded in His eternal purpose (Isaiah 55:8-9).
Different Priorities: Often, humans focus on temporary physical well-being, while God is ultimately concerned with eternal restoration and relationship (2 Peter 3:9).
5. Moral standards are meaningful because they are grounded in God’s unchanging nature. If there’s no ultimate, eternal standard (like God), morality becomes subjective and situational. To say something is "good" or "evil" presupposes a reference point outside of individual or cultural preference.
Hope this helps!
@@Eddieshred 1. You mentioned that it’s logical to prioritize human physical existence due to evolutionary survival instincts and a lack of evidence for an afterlife. Let’s unpack this:
- Survival instincts, driven by evolution, do help humans prioritize immediate needs. But humans also uniquely ponder existential questions...meaning, purpose, and life after death. This ability shows humans are wired for more than survival; humans are spiritual beings seeking ultimate answers.
- While evidence for an afterlife isn’t as measurable as physical phenomena, there are compelling philosophical arguments (e.g., the desire for justice, near-death experiences, and the universal search for transcendence). Christianity’s historical foundation, particularly the resurrection of Jesus, is an evidential event pointing to eternal life (1 Corinthians 15:12-19).
- If eternal existence is true (which it is), then focusing solely on human physical life is akin to prioritizing a fleeting moment over lasting significance. It’s worth becoming aware of how eternal truths redefine and expand what’s logical.
2. You stated, "There’s no free will," likely referring to debates in neuroscience and philosophy. Here are a few points to consider:
- While neuroscience shows that unconscious processes influence decisions, this doesn’t negate free will. Free will doesn’t imply absolute independence from influences but the human ability to deliberate, reason, and act meaningfully.
- Free will is a gift that allows humans to choose love, goodness, and relationship with God. Love that is coerced isn’t genuine. If free will didn’t exist, moral responsibility and justice lose coherence...yet humans live as if accountability is real.
- Hard determinism undercuts itself. If every thought is determined, including the idea "there’s no free will," why should humans trust that conclusion? Free will, while logically mysterious to humans that are currently only truly interested in a subset of a subset of a subset of existence, aligns with both human experience and God’s design.
3. Your current perspective that Adam and Eve didn’t exist and Genesis is mythical is shared by many humans.
- True Christians are capable to be aware that Genesis is a literal account. Many humans view it as a theological narrative revealing truths about humanity’s relationship with God, moral agency, and sin.
- Even if interpreted symbolically, Adam and Eve encapsulate human origins, moral awakening, and the universal need for redemption...truths that remain relevant.
- Science explains how creation unfolded; Genesis focuses on why. They don’t have to contradict. For instance, the Big Bang theory and our Creator initiating the universe align with each other.
Hope that helps.
I agree but what about the book of Ezekiel asking as a Christian
So according to you, objective morality means morals that can change, and only aply to some people, sometimes?
That doesn't sound very objective ...
Exactly!
Of course. Objective morality is literally defined by them as "God's morality".
Very valid question but perhaps I can clarify with an analogy: consider the law of gravity. It is an objective reality-unchanging and universally applicable. However, its application is contingent on variables like air resistance, mass, and inertia. For example, planes can fly, and people can jump or glide, not because gravity stops existing, but because other laws-also objective-interact with it. Gravity remains objectively binding, but how it plays out depends on the larger system of interacting forces. Similarly, objective morality can have applications that vary depending on time, place, and circumstance, without losing its objective nature.
Take the example of the Jewish dietary laws. According to Christianity, God’s moral law is objective, but certain aspects of it, like prohibitions against eating pork, were given to the Jews for a specific time and purpose. Before Christ, it was objectively wrong for a Jew to eat pork. After Christ’s ministry, that prohibition was lifted. The objective moral fact includes qualifiers-time (before or after Christ), person (Jew or non-Jew), and purpose (to set apart God’s people for a specific covenant). These qualifiers don’t negate objectivity; they are part of it. Ignoring context when discussing objective morality is like saying gravity isn’t real because people don’t always die from falling due to factors like parachutes or wind resistance.
From a Christian perspective, morality is grounded in God’s unchanging nature. For instance, we abhor murder because it violates God’s value for human life, which reflects His nature. Our nerve endings, emotions, and sense of justice all testify to this objective standard. Without God, morality reduces to preferences or survival mechanisms. For example, a virus might 'prefer' to destroy your immune system because it benefits its survival, while you view that as harmful. Without an objective standard, like God’s will, these become competing perspectives with no higher authority to define what is good or evil. But if God’s will establishes good and evil, it is objectively evil for a virus to compromise your health because that contradicts God’s value for life.
I hope this explanation makes things clearer.
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Wind resistance, or mechanical advantage don't effect gravity at all. They don't interact. you can overcome gravity to an extent, but it is still always the same.
To tie that to your pork example, its like saying its always objectively wrong to eat pork, but you can physically do it..
Still wrong tho.
What do you mean by gods unchanging nature?? You gave murder as an example, but god murders a lot of people in the bible.... so I'm not sure how you get from god killing everyone to killing everyone is wrong...
"Our nerve endings, emotions, and sense of justice all testify to this objective standard."
What? how?
We don't need a god to define good and evil for us, humans did that just fine all on their own.
Your explanation here didn't clear anything up. it just raised more questions.
There is no such thing as 'objective' morality.
Morality is the cognitive process of differentiating between human intentions, decisions, and actions that are morally appropriate (ought to occur in a certain dilemma) from those inappropriate (ought not to occur in a certain dilemma).
Like all cognitive assessments, moral assessments always and necessarily involve the subject's own biases, experience, attitude, and other personal considerations. Therefore, morality is _always and necessarily_ SUBJECTIVE.
Each and every individual is the sole arbiter of his or her own morality. I, and I alone, determine which human behaviors are moral, amoral, or immoral, just as everyone else does.
I like the explanation, but a question came to me, Mt Moriah and Golgotha are the same???
If you think god is good, youve never read the bible
God is good, just and Holy (pure perfect loving motive). Many (if not most) humans:
1) Illogically prioritize their sliver of existence in their physical (bound by scientific law) vessel over their eternal existence not bound by scientific law
2) Don't realize that each human has the free will for an ever-changing degree of opened heart and a level of spiritual purity
3) Aren't really aware that prior to the establishment of the new covenant, only two humans had a spiritual connection with God (Adam and Eve). With the new covenant, anyone that truly wants to have a genuine and growing eternal relationship with God can get baptized to create the Holy Spirit empowered spiritual connection to God the Father through Jesus.
Frank should have brought up how countless times, prior to the established new covenant (Jesus atoning for all human sin thus no more punishment from God...until after the rapture of course), God punished via destroying humans and gave direction to the Israelites to punish via destroying humans (Israelites and non-Israelites) and why. He should have also brought up why God punished and wouldn't allow Moses into the promised land and why...and where Moses is right now. Where Moses is right now shows that God's punishment is just (e.g. best for all of existence including the humans punished).
@@mlwilliams4407 By what criteria did you determine that god is good?
One day on this life or after, you will realise there was only 1 person that ever truly loved you unconditionally and that is Jesus. He is God. This world is wicked and evil if you ever read the bible you would understand we have free will for a reason, I hope you seek the truth before it’s too late
@@Factually-Corrected Please don’t make things up like that. It accomplishes nothing other than making you look bad.
@@KaijuTheMusical read the bible before it’s too late. Wake up.
I had the "why would a good God allow suffering discussion?" with a guy who plays sports. I asked him this question:
Is it okay for God to allow suffering if something he know is better results?
He said, "No, if God is Good he shouldn't allow suffering even if there are better results."
I asked him if he'd ever lifted weights while training to be a better athlete.
He said yes.
I asked him if his muscles ever hurt after the training.
He said yes.
I asked him why he would cause himself to suffer.
He said that he did it for the long-term greater gain. That to get better muscles, he had to endure some pain. "No pain, no gain."
I waited 10 seconds, just looking at him. He finally "got it".
Just like a parent slowly lets the child do things like a parent bird letting their baby try to fly and sometimes, there is stumbling and tumbling before they get it. 😊
But but, there was no suffering in the garden. And there won't be no suffering, no pain in heaven, will there?
@ well, in a way there was. They suffered the pain of being thrown out and discovering they’d screwed up. God still provided for them and made a way. No, the New Heavens and Earth will be amazing. Paradise will be as well. People have almost crossed over and sensed peace, love and eternal light. I think we would be overwhelmed to actually see it. The Pastors son expressed stories of a place of infinite beauty and wonder. Trust Him. Too many NDE’s have happened. The world will make of it what they will. I was sent back. After 3.5 days.
People struggle with this because it’s too easy to view God as an external entity that you can believe or not believe and is just sort of over in heaven sitting there. But God is sustainer of all things and creator of all things. So it’s less of a good vs bad. It’s godly vs ungodly and He sets the standard.
It’s easier to think of this when you’re a parent. If I tell my kids not to do something like don’t hit them that’s their “good”. That’s their law. So when I tell them to kick, scream, and hit someone trying to grab them am I telling them to do evil or am I being inconsistent? No. I had purpose
Even when he drowns every man, woman, fetus, puppy, kitten etc etc etc .. because he was mad. 9 million children a year suffer and die from cancer, rape, kidnapping, torture, abuse .. you can keep your demon. Ill worship ME !!! Grow up.
I actually wrote a little passage about this topic a few months ago,
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Now, let’s provide evidence for why God is all-good, instead of just claiming that He is all-good.
God is good because He created morality along with the universe; He is the author of morality. Being bad is simply irrational, as it only brings short-term gratification. God is eternal, so He doesn’t care about short-term gratification-only about the longest term (which is the essence of eternity).
He is also all-knowing because everything in this universe must exist within His mind in order to exist at all. Consider it this way: if you only need to speak one sentence to create an entire universe (from the Latin universum, meaning “one spoken sentence”), you probably know everything, because you are that powerful. It’s like when you imagine something: you create the rules for that scenario.
For existence to be logical and orderly, there must be a hierarchy of lawgivers. The highest lawgiver must know every detail of order and logic. This being is who we call God.
}
How did you determine this 'God' created this universe?
I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure that Jesus wasn’t crucified on Mt. Moriah. I love and enjoy the videos!
If God is the creator of the universe I can accept him being omniscient. If he created everything he would know everything. I can accept omnipotence. If he created everything he can do anything. I can even accept omnipresence because he's not a physical being and energy exists everywhere. But what's that have to do with being good?
He didn't really answer the question.
1. Is there anything that God could do that would cause you to conclude that he's not good?
2. If goodness is defined by God's nature, then it's essentially meaningless to praise him for being good. You are just praising him for being himself, which is true of everyone.
People confuse the distortion man has caused of what God created to be good. And think God is creating it to be evil.
First bible verse that comes to mind: Isaiah 55:8-9
We are all invited to question God in all of his aspects. Doing so with commitment and sincerity will always confirm what has been told.
Blind faith will always be inferior to informed faith. We are called to proclaim the Gospel, after all. We need arguments more compelling than "because I said so".
I have 66 arguments. From Genesis to Revelation.
How and why would God tell us to do something that is evil? Evil is against God.
He wouldn't.
Was it good when god instructed its followers to kill their own family if they encouraged other gods to them? Is that “good”?
@@jedition5618 God commanded the slaughter of infants. (Samuel)
Is infant killing always bad? I think so. Do you?
God exists, and no explanation of His existence can be given. Even so it is the same with love, for love is simply the life of God. "Every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." 1 John 4:7, 8.
If a god exists it should show itself that it exists…rather than encouraging disbelief by hiding
You’re wrong.
1. The question, “Why is there anything rather than nothing?” implies the existence of an eternal dimension. Time begins and ends, and the idea of existence arising from nothing would be irrational without the presence of an eternal dimension. (Time starts at 0; there is no evidence for negative time.)
2. In our dimension, complexity is finite and evolves over time. There cannot be infinite complexities in our dimension, as it does not allow for physical infinites.
3. Based on this reasoning, we can conclude that complexity in the eternal dimension must be infinite. In an eternal dimension, time cannot exist, as time inherently requires change and progression. Without time, there is no space for complexity to evolve or develop gradually. For example, in our dimension, complexity evolves through processes like natural selection, which rely on the passage of time. However, an eternal dimension must exist in a state of infinite completeness, as a timeless realm cannot accommodate gradual change or evolution. This infinite complexity, fully realized without dependence on time, is what we would call God.
@@lawrenceeason8007 pray for wisdom.
1. The question, “Why is there anything rather than nothing?” implies the existence of an eternal dimension. Time begins and ends, and the idea of existence arising from nothing would be irrational without the presence of an eternal dimension. (Time starts at 0; there is no evidence for negative time.)
2. In our dimension, complexity is finite and evolves over time. There cannot be infinite complexities in our dimension, as it does not allow for physical infinites.
3. Based on this reasoning, we can conclude that complexity in the eternal dimension must be infinite. In an eternal dimension, time cannot exist, as time inherently requires change and progression. Without time, there is no space for complexity to evolve or develop gradually. For example, in our dimension, complexity evolves through processes like natural selection, which rely on the passage of time. However, an eternal dimension must exist in a state of infinite completeness, as a timeless realm cannot accommodate gradual change or evolution. This infinite complexity, fully realized without dependence on time, is what we would call God.
@@Bazoeti wisdom comes from logic, wellbeing and evidence.
1. Everything you think, know and believe comes from within the properties of our universe. What is beyond our universe is yet unknown, although a number of scientists believe it could be pure energy.
2. Yes…and?
3. Yes energy could be infinite. Energy is everywhere. Energy takes new forms every day…no god(s) evident
God exists due by being eternal and Jesus wasn’t created either, since He exists before time began.
yes, because that is part of the definition of God
I have serious reservations with Divine Simplicity. I would reject it outright as it's derived from Platonism, and ultimately results in modal collapse.
God is triune. Before creation God alone exists. God is good because he eternally does good. God is love because he is eternally loving.
If the charity outweighs the wrong, then it is of God to do it.
Not really. U just gave me permission to assault you, just so long as I pay a large fee. Righteousness isn't a prostitute. It is of God if it is biblical (in context).
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Turek doesn't "blindly accept" that his god is good. He blindly accepts that his god is all-powerful. He's an obedient minion.
You have 100+ comments on this channel alone! For something you don’t believe in. Are you starting to come around or are you just bored? lol
@MitsaelT I leave comments on lots of videos, but it's true that I comment a lot on this creator's material. Saying that I'm addressing something I don't believe in is mistaken, and not very imaginative on your part. I am addressing *people*- those that watch this material, and are taken in by it. I think this particular person presents a great deal of sophistry and extremely poorly supported conjecture. In a larger sense, I think that magical thinking is very dangerous, and responsible for a lot of the erosion of critical thinking in the USA, where I live. I'm trying to do my part to point out the really thin and inadequate reasoning that Turek publishes.
@@drumrnva too much wasted energy on something you don’t believe in. If you truly think it’s false, let it fall apart on its own. Go enjoy life. You’re trying to put out a forest fire with a water gun. It’s only been 2000 years, it’s bound to die out someday soon
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video.
@@joshd3502 I did, and I referenced the title of the video in my comment.
We know God is good because He made us in His image.
No more evident in this, do unto others as you would have them do to you.
Man instinctively knows what is good and evil simply through his/her own self-preservation.
No one wants to be murdered, stolen from, cheated on, lied to, etc.
Knowing this is Knowing what is good and evil.
On the other hand man is a hypocrite and thinks so highly of himself, allowing him/her to believe that they are held a different standard, this is man establishing their own righteousness.
If god created man, what does that say about gods “design skills”?
@lawrenceeason8007 Awe, is somebody not liking what they see in the mirror?
No, what God made from the dust wasn't His image. His image was the spirit He made and put in the body of Adam.
1 Corinthians 15:44
King James Version
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
@@MyRoBeRtBaKeRI’m asking you a question. Did this god design mankind…mankind that is so evil? What does that say about gods design skills?
I love myself. I’m a good person, as I don’t believe this belief is real.
@lawrenceeason8007 Man wouldn't be evil if they would have walked with Him.
Rather, they walked according to the lusts of their hearts. which led to their current design.
@@lawrenceeason8007How should He have designed humans differently?
thank you jesus
All you have to do is look around at everything that is NOT man made to see that God is good. Your very existence is evidence of God’s goodness. He is allowing you to be a part of His creation. Now you get a choice of where to spend eternity: with Him or without Him and He will not force His will on anyone.
Oh? So in nature animals suffering immeasurably and being torn apart as food…that is your good gods creation?
Please explain how the slaughter of an entire people is not evil?Every man woman and child…..🤷🏻
@LeoMachado-n2e. What people are you referring to?
God would not ask us to do something evil.
“Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”
1 John 4:1 NIV
God commanded the slaughter of infants. (Samuel)
Is infant killing always bad? I think so. Do you?
Explain what “god” is and demonstrate evidence of its existence
Our entire morality, moral code, knowledge and awareness of right and wrong all flow out of the character and essence of God and who He is. For the sake of argument, imagine that the supreme, omnipotent, eternal God of the universe was spiteful, belligerent, dishonest, vindictive, callous, unloving, and whatever else you can imagine. Would He still be God? Yes, by definition, He would be. But He would not be the God we know nor the God of the bible. God's very nature and character are the diametrical opposite of all those things. A good God---the God who actually is---would never ask us to commit evil because He cannot. There is nothing in His nature or character that would allow Him to do so.
God commanded the slaughter of infants. (Samuel)
Is infant killing always bad? I think so. Do you?
@@drummerconz682 I have a response, but let me ask one question first. Do you support the right of women to have elective abortions?
The real question is this: evil according to what standard. If there is no standard then there is no evil. One persons evil may seem to another good. Without the EXTERNAL standard of good, we have no basis for even calling G-d’s actions good or evil. The actions may be on a level we cannot understand any more than an infant or even a pet doesn’t understand shots for their protection. Very loose and bad example but let’s say we are trying to judge based on our own standard of good and evil. The question is where do we get the standard that can not be a matter of perspective and the other question is who are you that because you don’t understand think G-d answers to you?
We all have a inner standard of good and evil. Its just very subjective.
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Why do many people, still, even in this 21st century, blindly BELIEVE in the existence of some fake creators, when there is a possibility to REALISE the actual cause for Creation?😮😅😊
There’s a disconnect with people on believing objective morality could exist without God which it can’t. Notice I’m not saying humans can’t subjectively create a moral system absence of God but that it simply wouldn’t be justifiable. I like using an analogy of a board game. Let’s say a board game spontaneously appeared from errr a big bang out of nowhere…but it only came with the board and game pieces yet no instruction book. You could make up your own rules to the game. You could find that they work and are fulfilling. You could even persuade others that you invite over to your house to adopt the same rules you came up with while playing the game. But there’s nothing obligating every person in your town, state, country, or from other countries around the world to adopt the same rules when playing since there’s literally no official rules. There was no creator to the game. Now contrast that with buying a monopoly board game(or any other popular game of your choosing) that has a definitive created rule manual. There is an objective way to play the game. Now people can still choose to play it however they want by creating “house rules” but no one can argue that an authoritative rules of the game exists for how it’s meant to be played coming from its creator.
Not sure if the question was answered at all!
"God doesn't dictate good, he is essentially good"
"Oh but this one time for Isrealites it was immoral to eat shrimp, but it is no longer. But good is essential to God, not whatever he says is good"
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So if we show that the biblical hod is not good everything collapses with this doctrine
Some people think that they are smarter than they are, which is a very comical deception. They have this idea that God is some arbitrary force that they can outsmart, and do "one-up" on so that their moral lifestyle goes unchallenged. Not a good platform to be supported by.
This young woman’s heart is in the right place. And in her spirit feels something is off between Jesus teaching and the Old way. And there is. Perfect example is Jesus in Matthew 5:33-37 explaining to not take oaths, as commanded in Deuteronomy 6:14 and 10:20 in the name of LORD/YHWH. Let your yes be yes and no be no. Jesus said, Anything more is of the evil one. James 5:12 reiterates same thoughts so you don’t fall under judgement. It’s a trap.
You know, there are other books, than the 66 books found in the bible. For example, the Catholic bible has six books not found in the King James Version of the Bible. King James has Maccabees. The book of Jude quotes Enoch word for word in Jude 14. Moses who wrote the torrah, also wrote Jubilees, but Jubilees is not in the bible. Baruch wrote about Jeremiah, and Jeremiah wrote about Baruch in each others book, and both agree on the interaction. Etc. Why bring this up? Because most questions regarding the basic questions of our lives are answered amongst all of these books. This is how I know the meaning of life. This is how I have understanding. So, now you can too. So, for example... life is a test. Thats why we are here.
So many folks believe that when Adam and Eve sinned, God had the option of doing nothing about it. He absolutely 100% did not have that option because of his inherent goodness. Imagine you're talking to somebody on the side of a road and they get angry at you and walk away Not paying attention and get hit by a truck. If you're a good person, can you just walk away from that? Of course not. That's absurd. God must always choose the good because that is his nature. But because of his goodness, he also cannot tolerate sin forever.
And HOW do you know this?
@@TheoSkeptomai3 Know that people believe this? Or know that this is God's nature? For the former, I hear it from them all the time. For the latter, it seems to be God's nature as conveyed in the word of God. God has purpose in EVERYTHING he does. Take Israel for example. They were completely undeserving of His love. And yet, the prophecies foretold of their exile and their return, for His glory, and for His love of them. And then again they foretold of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D hundreds of years before, and of their return; once again for His Glory and for His love of them. It is that love that drives Him to try and help us.
Plus, the obvious ones...
Luke 23:34 (ESV) 34 And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
Matthew 5:7 (ESV) “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
Matthew 5:43-45 (ESV) 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 22:39 (ESV) 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
God only asks of us from that which is HIS nature. i.e. he would be a hypocrite to ask us to do those things, but not do it himself. Except, we know that's exactly what he did. He valued us equal to Himself, or He could not have laid His life down for us.
I’d ask you this question to nail it home. If God was to forsake us after the fall, would he be loving us as He does Himself? Would he be blessing those who curse him? Would he be praying for those who persecuted him?
@@TheoSkeptomai3 Know that people believe this? Or know that this is God's nature? For the former, I hear it from them all the time. For the latter, it seems to be God's nature as conveyed in the word of God. God has purpose in EVERYTHING he does. Take Israel for example. They were completely undeserving of His love. And yet, the prophecies foretold of their exile and their return, for His glory, and for His love of them. And then again they foretold of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D hundreds of years before, and of their return; once again for His Glory and for His love of them. It is that love that drives Him to try and help us.
Plus, the obvious ones...
Luke 23:34 (ESV) 34 And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
Matthew 5:7 (ESV) “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
Matthew 5:43-45 (ESV) 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 22:39 (ESV) 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
God only asks of us from that which is HIS nature. i.e. he would be a hypocrite to ask us to do those things, but not do it himself. Except, we know that's exactly what he did. He valued us equal to Himself, or He could not have laid His life down for us.
I’d ask you this question to nail it home. If God was to forsake us after the fall, would he be loving us as He does Himself? Would He be blessing his enemies? Would he be praying for his enemies?
@@TheoSkeptomai3 Know that people believe this? Or know that this is God's nature? For the former, I hear it from them all the time. For the latter, it seems to be God's nature as conveyed in the word of God. God has purpose in EVERYTHING he does. Take Israel for example. They were completely undeserving of His love. And yet, the prophecies foretold of their exile and their return, for His glory, and for His love of them. And then again they foretold of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D hundreds of years before, and of their return; once again for His Glory and for His love of them. It is that love that drives Him to try and help us.
Plus, the obvious ones...
Luke 23:34 (ESV) 34 And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
Matthew 5:7 (ESV) “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
Matthew 5:43-45 (ESV) 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 22:39 (ESV) 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
God only asks of us from that which is HIS nature. i.e. he would be a hypocrite to ask us to do those things, but not do it himself. Except, we know that's exactly what he did. He valued us equal to Himself, or He could not have laid His life down for us.
I’d ask you this question to nail it home. If God was to forsake us after the fall, would he be loving us as He does Himself? Would He be blessing his enemies? Would he be praying for his enemies?
@@TheoSkeptomai3God is infinite complexity in the eternal dimension. There are only two infinites on a moral perspective: infinitely good (God) and infinitely bad (anti-God/Satan). God made us as individuals to choose between these two for the possibility of love
Why do you say Jesus did away with dietary laws?Or ANY laws for that matter?
Jesus did not abolish the dietary laws. It bothers me when fellow Christians say we can eat whatever we want. There were ceremonial laws concerning ancient Israel that are no longer of effect, but the dietary laws are not ceremonial.
Blindly accept it? No.
Test God to see? Yes. Jeremiah 29:13. Job 28:28.
Matthew 4:7 Jesus said,
You shall not put the Lord your God to the test
@ Matthew 4:7 "Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord, thy God."
Context is everything.
What do u not understand? Don't tempt him
@@ryanharrison2260
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1 John 4:1 "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God."
There's a difference between tempting and testing.
@theriveroffaith852 yes test SPIRITS but do not TEST GOD.
Blatantly different
Wait, what? I thought Jesus was crucified outside the city on Golgatha??
this response fails to adequately address the Euthyphro dilemma. it relies on circular reasoning, moral arbitrariness, and consequentialist arguments to justify divine commands, even those that appear morally reprehensible. it also ignores alternative theological perspectives and fails to provide an objective standard of goodness outside of God's own nature.
Ravi Zacharias (I know, I know) was on video from years ago, proving, just with logic, that ...if there was a God, then that God is good. I contacted RZIM and they didn't know how to find the video...if anyone knows I would appreciate it.
I have his lecture from 1999, which is his best I think. I just uploaded it to my channel.
Jesus IS the answer .... the problem is with people .... many celebrate Him the same way the pagans celebrate their god during saturnalia!
As far as the Old Testament is concerned, much of what God told Israel was for their instruction, or their ability to survive and not be like the child-sacrificing polytheistic peoples they were surrounded by. Why did God put them where they were surrounded by such peoples? So Israel could be a witness to the nations!
The creator of the universe gets to decide morality. That's obvious.
That isn't how objective morality works.
@ that's exactly how it works. God decides. Not you.
@@vladtheemailer3223It is though lol. Morals are set by either the Designer of life, society you live in, or the individual. society choosing gives us Nazis. Individuals give us serial killers. Thank God that He DOES decide and that He IS good so that the laws we get result in the olivette discourse which is the most morally sound document to ever exist and this is even agreed upon by secular teachers as well
@@ironcityblue No, that's ethical subjectivism and not objective morality. Devine command theory is about obedience and not morality.
@andrewbornemann3334 No, it's not objective at all, and no God is needed. Please answer a few questions.
Was the holocaust morally right or wrong, and why? Was the slaughter of the Canaanites morally right or wrong, and why?
Jesus showed us the way to:
Love those who might not deserve it
Deal with our sin
Live righteously
And yes even follow God's laws ... not for salvation but because we're saved!!!
He did NOT come so we can continue in sin!
Saved from what exactly? Your all loving God's vengeance in the afterlife?
@Eddieshred
He offers us eternity .... in His house!
But, not just anyone....there are rules!
It's His house and His rules.
If you don't want Him, you'll have to build your own house and spend eternity there.....until you can figure out how to make your own place!
Until then, you have 2 choices .... should be easy, but for some, it's not!
@ Alas, you're avoiding to answer my question. So again: saved from what? His vengeance?
@Eddieshred
No ... saved from an eternity where there is no peace, no happiness, no love .... etc.
Sadly people would rather spend eternity separated from an all loving God!
@ Why is there no peace, happiness, love and how do you know this?
Imagine the *Perfect Baseball Pitcher.* Perfect aim. Infinite throwing power. Knowledge of everything (including the wind, how to deal with the wind, and any obstacles the might block the shot). *Wherever the ball lands, it was the Pitcher's intent, right?*
Well God is all-knowing and all-powerful and had no collaborators in creating our universe. A universe with evil.
Self-contradicting things cannot exist. They can't be true. For example there are no 4-sided triangles because the two parts of its definition contradict one another.
So either
A. One accepts logic, and God can't exist due to the contradiction between "all-good" and intentionally causing all evil, OR
B. One ignores logic, and blindly accepts God without question. (Questions are dangerous to belief.)
Here's the thing: if God's all-powerful and all-knowing, then every bit of suffering and evil in the world is intentional. You can't have it both ways. Either God wanted evil to exist, which makes Him not all-good, or He couldn't stop it, which makes Him not all-powerful.
Religious apologists sometimes claim "free will" is the answer, but that doesn’t hold up. If God made us knowing we'd cause evil, then He's still responsible for creating that outcome. Plus, a truly all-powerful God could've designed a world where free will exists without suffering-He'd know how, right?
The logic just doesn't add up. Either you abandon reason to believe in God, or you accept that this "perfect, all-good deity" is a flawed concept.
@@seanpol9863 Was that not actually a reply to me? Because you're sort of saying what I already said in different words.
Its impossible for God to command us to do something that is inherently evil.
Please demonstrate how "God" can command you to do anything ?
Like god commanding the murder of children?
@@Bugsy0333You shall not murder?
@@lawrenceeason8007Those nations were sacrificing their own children.
It's odd how 'don't murder' is one of the Ten Commandments, yet the Bible's full of stories where God orders massacres, including children. Examples? 1 Samuel 15:3 - God commands Saul to kill men, women, children, and even animals. Deuteronomy 2:34 - Israelites destroy entire cities, sparing no one. And saying those nations sacrificed children doesn't justify slaughter; it just swaps one atrocity for another. If God's all-powerful, couldn't he stop child sacrifice without commanding genocide? Sounds more human than divine.
The dietary law is not in place? The Bible says our body is His temple so if you eat unclean food then you are making His temple dirty. I believe in the Health message.
I agree with you that the dietary laws are still in place. This is for our own good.
The dietary laws weren't overturned. Jesus fulfilled the entire law which was given to us in love. Jesus never ate unclean food. It's the easiest thing to do to be Christlike. Using Peter's dream to say good law was overturned is theologically incorrect, as Peter himself flatly rejected that and refused to break those laws. If Peter, who had that dream, didn't interpret it that way, who are we to say Peter is wrong on that? Swine is unclean.
Peter doesn't have authority over God. God cleansed the unclean foods.
See Acts 10:15.
Paul also affirms we are free from the OT food laws. See Rom 14
Very good post.
@@TheGuy.. Read Acts 10:28. You have to read the full chapter. Romans 14 is referring to vegetarians and meat-eaters. Not beef and pork eaters.
@@user-zr6pl6nb6z I didn't get a notification of your reply. I checked my history and noticed your reply.
Acts 10:15 has to do with Acts 10:11-14, not Acts 10:28 which has to do with people.
Rom 14:14-17 makes it clear that we are free to eat what we want but that we are to be careful to not let what we eat be a stumbling block. Back in those days it was a transitional period where it took time for those who daily observed the food restrictions to switch to our new law of liberty.
@@TheGuy.. Sorry, but you're wrong. You need to study this more.
Should We Blindly Accept That Water is Wet?
When American kids stand up and ask questions with a smug disdainful tone, I wonder, where do they get their moral platform?
We’re all dumber now.