Environmental impact of ICE cars is not down to CO2 alone - particulates (especially from diesels) & oxides of nitrogen are also emitted. Absence of such emissions from an EV reduces their overall impact even further.
Hi Steve, good point, you are right. As the common argument is about moving the CO2 emissions to where the electricity is produced, I wanted to address that mainly. Its clear EVs are better for the environment, I appreciate they still have an impact, but unless we go back to horses, they are better than a gasoline car, its frustrating when people say otherwise,
Your figure for extraction of petrol seems very low. Its pumped out of the ground using power, sent via pipeline or ship (burning the dirtiest fuel available) to a petrochemical plant to be distilled into various liquids (diesel, petrol etc.) and then sent out on trucks around cities to be pumped into garages to wait till you get it out and into your tank. That is a vast and filthy process from beginning to end. Surely its a bigger CO2 producer than you have in your numbers???
I guess there is an additional complication which is the energy mix used in production? I assume the studies on CO2 generated in production assumed the same mix for ICE and EV? In the end, we have to aim for renewable electricity production and zero emission vehicles at the point of use.
Each study I looked at came out with slightly different numbers to be fair. As you said, it depended on the energy mix for that country. So a battery made in china will generate different CO2 to one made in US due to the energy mix to produce it. Same with petroleum. No matter which study thought, all concluded that an EV was way better overall in the life cycle, and as most broke even between 27,000 & 44,000 miles, which considering there are Teslas out there with over 200,000 miles and no battery change, means they payback in the first 1/4 of their life, although the Teslas are still going, so actually less than that :). I've put a few of the main references in the description if you want a read
Sorry to hear your taking a break but I do understand your situation, it always a pleasure to see one of your great videos pop up, so whilst gone your not forgotten looking forward to you coming back in June so as I have enabled your notification bell as soon as your back i’ll be there to your next video wish you well will see you soon in June!
thanks. the break is going to be a little longer, as making the most of being able to travel and have lots of holidays planned 😬. but hoping for some early August content 👍🏻
5:57 You completely zeroed out the amount of ELECTRICITY needed to produce the petrol itself. Petroleum refineries are MASSIVE consumers of electricity. Now factor that in.
Haha, yep. I’m regretting not making it clearer at the start it’s not all doom and gloom and people have actually made a better choice for the environment by getting a model 3 👀
So that will be a lovely Made in China Model!!! Exciting. I'm going over to see one today....a review will be landing as soon as possible in the next few weeks, so keep your eyes peeled for that. Also, appreciate you using the referral code, enjoy your 1000 free miles 👍
Yes a Zappi and not happy when I see power going back to the grid (I don’t get any payment) and not into the car- I think you are right as it does this when it’s 0.6 or 0.8 or so
You can set it to use more power from the grid, so if you wanted it to activate when the sun is say producing 500w, then set the eco slider to about 30-40%, then it will draw about 1000w from the grid to make up the difference. Its cheaper for me to wait and do it overnight though, so I have mine set about 70% and activates when solar output is about 1000w
Not gonna lie, the primary reason for me buying mine wasn't for environmental reasons. I love the car. I feel I've done a hell of a lot more for the environment by not having any kids. My family line dies when I do, people will continue making humans that will continue killing the planet. A bit extreme, but an extremely valid point
Yep, lots of reasons, not just the environment, I love the driving experience the most 👍🏻. Population is a massive issue, at least you’ll have more money to spend on accessories for your Model 3 👍🏻
Now factor in the fact that eventually an EV owner can install solar and charge his battery himself for almost free. There is no target for any ICE car to fill that gas tank for free.
You also need to consider the vast amount of energy (and thereby CO2 production) necessary to produce and transport the petrol as well as the environmental damage caused by it before it can be bought in the petrol station.
Hi Carsten, that was in my figures. From the research that adds 0.7kg of CO2 per litre used. Burning it causes 2.3kg, so in total - transport, extraction, refining and burning causes 3kg on average of CO2
A very thought provoking and balanced presentation. Love the graphics. I’m going to stick with the Model 3 over my last car which returned just over 30 mpg.
Hi, I believe its 1.4kW before it will start to charge. Have you got a Zappi? I thought it would charge off every last drop, but it I think there is a minimum current
Thanks, took a while but found it interesting researching it. Glad to find all the true facts to finally put to rest anyone that disputes EVs are not greener (even though they might not be at the start - although even that will get better and better with greener mixes of electricity in the production stage)
Very well done and you made it understandable to the average person. But I knew your conclusion before you started, as EV technology is still in its infancy where we’ve been all about the internal combustion engine for 120 years. EV tech is very good already and will improve by leaps and bounds in the future. We will become greener with EV tech but not with ICE technology in the future. But it was nice to know that it has already caught up to ICE technology even though we are just starting . Good job!
thanks. I did actually say that, but cut it out in the end. If EV tech has made this much progress in say the 10 years it’s been properly mainstream, imagine where will it be in 100, it’s exciting and be interesting to see the results of more up to date studies 👍🏻
Not too bad! Our county is particularly bad. Autopilot hasn't figured out how to get round them yet. I think I ended up going with Hastings for my renewal. But just run it through GoCompare or Compare the Market, they change so frequently, I normally change insurance every year :)
2 comments. 1. Brilliant video and graphics 2. I was worried you had forgotten the life cycle but I needn’t have worried. And your blue looks fantastic- did you have it detailed ?
Thanks, I didn't realise that the Model 3 did cause so much CO2 in production to be fair. I was glad when I finished looking into it all though. I did have it detailed. When I first got it, a few swirl marks from the first clean by Tesla, so had it detailed and ceramic coated. Can't wait till the sun comes out, as it looks so much better (and stays cleaner longer 😉)
wow you hand draws fast. you do miss out the fact that you looked at an ice car and not its parts. this only take it that your car remain the same for its whole life, you have to make replacement parts for an ice car that need renewing at regular times. eg oil, oil filters spark plugs most go to land fill and have no recycling. and all these need co2 costs to make. if you look at oil recycling it is costly and time consuming to do it is collected in trucks that have effect on co2. petrol tankers on our roads all use far higher co2 levels. there are more factors to go to the electric car side all of which reduce co2 indirectly there is a lot less co2 delivering electricity to your car than petrol chain to your ice car.
What can I say, you should see me at Pictionary 😏. I've put a link in the description of the studies I used for the data, that will have how they came to the conclusion of all their figures. But you are right, if these aren't included, payback is even sooner, so the Model 3 is even better for the environment than these figures suggest.
Yep, that side of Northampton. I'm not aware of any, but haven't really looked to be honest. What with making these videos and doing two other jobs, I don't have much time on my hands to be fair
@@TeslaTorque I know that the wind is a big source of power in the UK but in North America it's more common that Renewables are powered by solar so if it has overcharging off a solar-powered. I would be very curious as to what the emissions would be from that
@@TeslaTorque Hi Thanks for answer The problem as I see it is the time it takes to recharge on a journey ,especially large commercial vehicles .Science usually finds the answer to most things ,though.
I think Tesla might have done already. Have a look at their battery day event. Much quicker charging batteries due to a tabless design which helps with the thermal dynamics
If you also consider pollution other than CO2 an electric car will be even greener. ICE cars emit many pollutants that lead to numerous health effects and other problems that EVs don't. EV production definitely emits harmful pollutants, but not nearly as much as the oil production process does.
dude im sorry that you are only at 6k subs and 2,556 views for this epic video and channel. you are clearly ...more to the point. less wishy woshy. truely wanting to speak facts. do you run a newspaper or magazine on production cars. or are you just an avid researcher.... i havnt checked other channels on EV CARS AND PETROL CARS on the environment and the state of the industry but you try to be clear and truely and factually informative.............. maybe the fact your channel is called tesla ... means it only appeals to the specefic audience... thats why views and subs are low. what you think? all i wanna say is i wish you can reach a wider audience ... not just for financial gain but other aspects of humanity too.
o and i frogot you do some pretty cool animations in this video. your video quality is great, theres a lil humour, the production value is up there too. dunno how you did the animations maybe yourself which is impressive and takes skill and time and money.
Hey, really appreciate the feedback on this. I was a bit disappointed how the video did, as was a lot of effort and research. I do all the production, animation, photography myself - so you can imagine the days spent on it. I work in healthcare, so not media related at all, just an interest in photography. I bought my car more for the environmental aspect as I cycle a lot and hate it when cars drive past and I can’t breath. Im keen to spread the word. So wanted to do a video on the positives, as still lots of unscientific facts reported even from main stream media. All the data is from scientific peer reviewed journals and multiple studies. I’m hoping to diversify the channel in the future, but with a full time job, and this being a side project, time is the resource that’s lacking 😂 Thanks for taking the time to comment, made me smile, and helps keep motivated to carry on putting stuff out 👍🏻
buy , buy ,buy waste , waste ,waste 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑 . The solution for environmental concerns is simply not Buying there for not wasting earth limited precious limited resources The Notion, if Billions of Working Ice cars were scrapped it would be better for the Environment is simply ridiculous because it fails to acknowledge they would all need to be replaced one single Tesla can have 8256 Batteries how many batteries it would be needed for MILLIONS of new Ev's ???
I don't think anyone is suggesting scrapping what is already there? More stop producing/buying combustion cars that are worse now, then as combustion cars come to the end of their life, they are replaced with cleaner variants. The batteries last long enough to still be beneficial for the environment. I agree, it would be better if everyone stopped travelling and using resources so much, but whilst that isn't the option, electric transport is a better alternative
Used to like your channel until you came out with this nonsense. Unsubscribed as your information is horribly misleading and damaging. You have not accounted for the energy needed to get crude oil out the ground, then transport it, then refine it, then transport the refined petrol/diesel then burning it in the ICE car Go look at the Fully Charged video on this
The bit you try to say an EV is worse than an ICE car. That’s utterly misleading, damaging and nothing more than awful click bait for a channel that up until now has been very useful
If you are going to try and compare the two, you have to add to the ICE calculations all the CO2 for getting the oil, transporting the oil and refining the oil. Otherwise your comparison is utterly flawed
Hi Matthew, they technically are in initial production, which came as a surprise. So if you were to crash a Model 3 in its first year of life. It would have caused more damage to the environment. I was going off data from the journals I looked at. From what I can tell they were independent, and accounted for transport and manufacture of Petrol. That accounts for 0.7 kg per litre of fuel we use. That was why the figure was 3kg of CO2 not, 2.3kg which is produced out the exhaust pipe. The overall message was meant to be that whilst they do cause greater harm up front. The overall outcome is better. Sorry if that didn’t come across. I’m going to add all the references in the description later. So you can check it out. Appreciate the link, hadn’t seen that video, I was aiming for a similar message, apologies if I failed to send it
Environmental impact of ICE cars is not down to CO2 alone - particulates (especially from diesels) & oxides of nitrogen are also emitted. Absence of such emissions from an EV reduces their overall impact even further.
Hi Steve, good point, you are right. As the common argument is about moving the CO2 emissions to where the electricity is produced, I wanted to address that mainly. Its clear EVs are better for the environment, I appreciate they still have an impact, but unless we go back to horses, they are better than a gasoline car, its frustrating when people say otherwise,
Your figure for extraction of petrol seems very low. Its pumped out of the ground using power, sent via pipeline or ship (burning the dirtiest fuel available) to a petrochemical plant to be distilled into various liquids (diesel, petrol etc.) and then sent out on trucks around cities to be pumped into garages to wait till you get it out and into your tank. That is a vast and filthy process from beginning to end. Surely its a bigger CO2 producer than you have in your numbers???
I guess there is an additional complication which is the energy mix used in production? I assume the studies on CO2 generated in production assumed the same mix for ICE and EV? In the end, we have to aim for renewable electricity production and zero emission vehicles at the point of use.
Each study I looked at came out with slightly different numbers to be fair. As you said, it depended on the energy mix for that country. So a battery made in china will generate different CO2 to one made in US due to the energy mix to produce it. Same with petroleum. No matter which study thought, all concluded that an EV was way better overall in the life cycle, and as most broke even between 27,000 & 44,000 miles, which considering there are Teslas out there with over 200,000 miles and no battery change, means they payback in the first 1/4 of their life, although the Teslas are still going, so actually less than that :).
I've put a few of the main references in the description if you want a read
Sorry to hear your taking a break but I do understand your situation, it always a pleasure to see one of your great videos pop up, so whilst gone your not forgotten looking forward to you coming back in June so as I have enabled your notification bell as soon as your back i’ll be there to your next video wish you well will see you soon in June!
thanks. the break is going to be a little longer, as making the most of being able to travel and have lots of holidays planned 😬. but hoping for some early August content 👍🏻
5:57 You completely zeroed out the amount of ELECTRICITY needed to produce the petrol itself. Petroleum refineries are MASSIVE consumers of electricity. Now factor that in.
great info thanks
glad I watched it all, was almost gonna sell by description 😂😂
Haha, yep. I’m regretting not making it clearer at the start it’s not all doom and gloom and people have actually made a better choice for the environment by getting a model 3 👀
Really informative thank you!. I ordered my M3 last week (thanks for the 1000 free Supercharger miles )
So that will be a lovely Made in China Model!!! Exciting. I'm going over to see one today....a review will be landing as soon as possible in the next few weeks, so keep your eyes peeled for that. Also, appreciate you using the referral code, enjoy your 1000 free miles 👍
Yes a Zappi and not happy when I see power going back to the grid (I don’t get any payment) and not into the car- I think you are right as it does this when it’s 0.6 or 0.8 or so
You can set it to use more power from the grid, so if you wanted it to activate when the sun is say producing 500w, then set the eco slider to about 30-40%, then it will draw about 1000w from the grid to make up the difference. Its cheaper for me to wait and do it overnight though, so I have mine set about 70% and activates when solar output is about 1000w
Not gonna lie, the primary reason for me buying mine wasn't for environmental reasons. I love the car. I feel I've done a hell of a lot more for the environment by not having any kids. My family line dies when I do, people will continue making humans that will continue killing the planet. A bit extreme, but an extremely valid point
Yep, lots of reasons, not just the environment, I love the driving experience the most 👍🏻. Population is a massive issue, at least you’ll have more money to spend on accessories for your Model 3 👍🏻
@@TeslaTorque Quite right... Accessories video coming soon!!
Now factor in the fact that eventually an EV owner can install solar and charge his battery himself for almost free.
There is no target for any ICE car to fill that gas tank for free.
You also need to consider the vast amount of energy (and thereby CO2 production) necessary to produce and transport the petrol as well as the environmental damage caused by it before it can be bought in the petrol station.
Hi Carsten, that was in my figures. From the research that adds 0.7kg of CO2 per litre used. Burning it causes 2.3kg, so in total - transport, extraction, refining and burning causes 3kg on average of CO2
Ah, ok. Thanks. Seems I overheard that.
It’s okay, appreciate there was lots of data. Even without that the EV would be cleaner, so just proves how dirty petroleum is 👍🏻
Casuallly downing a litre of petrol 😂. Thanks for the informative upload. 👍
Was thinking of putting a disclaimer on, but hopefully people figured out it was apple juice. Tesco apple juice was surprisingly nice!
Nice thorough run through👍
Cheers, took a while to figure out, but glad I did. At least now I have an answer for when people tell me the battery production is so damaging :)
Not thorough when it totally ignores the cost of petrol production
A very thought provoking and balanced presentation. Love the graphics. I’m going to stick with the Model 3 over my last car which returned just over 30 mpg.
Yep, defo....just don't crash it in the first 30,000 miles and it will be better for the environment 😂
@@TeslaTorque Unfortunately, that is going to take a long time. With lockdown, I have only done 4,000 miles in 15 months.
Haha, that's crazy! To be fair, I think most of mine have been filming videos....roll on March 29th when I think it's legal to leave the county again.
Do you know at what KW the car will start to charge from the Solar panels - what is the minimum needed to be produce to start the Tesla 3 charging
Hi, I believe its 1.4kW before it will start to charge. Have you got a Zappi? I thought it would charge off every last drop, but it I think there is a minimum current
Right on... Finally the truth... How are you still on RUclips?
Great vid , awesome editing 👍
Thanks, took a while, but figured helped distract from all the maths 🤓
Very impressive video
Thanks, took a while but found it interesting researching it. Glad to find all the true facts to finally put to rest anyone that disputes EVs are not greener (even though they might not be at the start - although even that will get better and better with greener mixes of electricity in the production stage)
Thank you so much for your info🙏
No probs. Hopefully be able to shoot down people with facts now if they say ICE cars are better, as clearly mover lifetime EVs wins hands down 👍🏻
Thanks mate 👍 I would love a Tesla
You’ll want one even more after a test drive 😜
Very well done and you made it understandable to the average person. But I knew your conclusion before you started, as EV technology is still in its infancy where we’ve been all about the internal combustion engine for 120 years. EV tech is very good already and will improve by leaps and bounds in the future. We will become greener with EV tech but not with ICE technology in the future. But it was nice to know that it has already caught up to ICE technology even though we are just starting . Good job!
thanks. I did actually say that, but cut it out in the end. If EV tech has made this much progress in say the 10 years it’s been properly mainstream, imagine where will it be in 100, it’s exciting and be interesting to see the results of more up to date studies 👍🏻
How's the Tesla model 3 on our pot hole ridden British roads and what's the cheapest and best insurance company for Tesla's, have you any idea ?
Not too bad! Our county is particularly bad. Autopilot hasn't figured out how to get round them yet. I think I ended up going with Hastings for my renewal. But just run it through GoCompare or Compare the Market, they change so frequently, I normally change insurance every year :)
direct line and churchill are working out best in uk
2 comments. 1. Brilliant video and graphics 2. I was worried you had forgotten the life cycle but I needn’t have worried.
And your blue looks fantastic- did you have it detailed ?
Thanks, I didn't realise that the Model 3 did cause so much CO2 in production to be fair. I was glad when I finished looking into it all though. I did have it detailed. When I first got it, a few swirl marks from the first clean by Tesla, so had it detailed and ceramic coated. Can't wait till the sun comes out, as it looks so much better (and stays cleaner longer 😉)
wow you hand draws fast.
you do miss out the fact that you looked at an ice car and not its parts. this only take it that your car remain the same for its whole life,
you have to make replacement parts for an ice car that need renewing at regular times. eg oil, oil filters spark plugs most go to land fill and have no recycling. and all these need co2 costs to make.
if you look at oil recycling it is costly and time consuming to do it is collected in trucks that have effect on co2. petrol tankers on our roads all use far higher co2 levels.
there are more factors to go to the electric car side all of which reduce co2 indirectly there is a lot less co2 delivering electricity to your car than petrol chain to your ice car.
What can I say, you should see me at Pictionary 😏. I've put a link in the description of the studies I used for the data, that will have how they came to the conclusion of all their figures. But you are right, if these aren't included, payback is even sooner, so the Model 3 is even better for the environment than these figures suggest.
I deduce from your Vids that you are near Duston I’m near Boughton - is there a local EV group ?
Yep, that side of Northampton. I'm not aware of any, but haven't really looked to be honest. What with making these videos and doing two other jobs, I don't have much time on my hands to be fair
Wow......Matrix overload
Haha, imagine trying to remember all that to say 🤯
Thank you for a really great well structured breakdown of all the parts of this equation.
No probs, took a while, but appreciate it was pretty number orientated this one, and just wanted to ensure the argument was closed 😬
Please do another video including solar
As in the CO2 emissions by solar power?
@@TeslaTorque I know that the wind is a big source of power in the UK but in North America it's more common that Renewables are powered by solar so if it has overcharging off a solar-powered. I would be very curious as to what the emissions would be from that
My head is still spinning .
Yeah.....there were a lot of numbers, sorry. I just wanted to ensure that it was a clear argument....but the numbers may have muddied it some what
@@TeslaTorque Hi It wasn"t really a criticism ,One can take it a step at a time
I was just worried about how heavy it was, as appreciate its probably not the standard Tesla video people were expecting :)
@@TeslaTorque Hi Thanks for answer The problem as I see it is the time it takes to recharge on a journey ,especially large commercial vehicles .Science usually finds the answer to most things ,though.
I think Tesla might have done already. Have a look at their battery day event. Much quicker charging batteries due to a tabless design which helps with the thermal dynamics
If you also consider pollution other than CO2 an electric car will be even greener. ICE cars emit many pollutants that lead to numerous health effects and other problems that EVs don't. EV production definitely emits harmful pollutants, but not nearly as much as the oil production process does.
Yep, EVs are defo the way forward
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Wow a lot of maths !
Haha, that there was! Just wanted to make it indisputable that EVs are greener and show the working, otherwise people won't believe it
dude im sorry that you are only at 6k subs and 2,556 views for this epic video and channel. you are clearly ...more to the point. less wishy woshy. truely wanting to speak facts. do you run a newspaper or magazine on production cars. or are you just an avid researcher.... i havnt checked other channels on EV CARS AND PETROL CARS on the environment and the state of the industry but you try to be clear and truely and factually informative.............. maybe the fact your channel is called tesla ... means it only appeals to the specefic audience... thats why views and subs are low. what you think? all i wanna say is i wish you can reach a wider audience ... not just for financial gain but other aspects of humanity too.
o and i frogot you do some pretty cool animations in this video. your video quality is great, theres a lil humour, the production value is up there too. dunno how you did the animations maybe yourself which is impressive and takes skill and time and money.
Hey, really appreciate the feedback on this.
I was a bit disappointed how the video did, as was a lot of effort and research. I do all the production, animation, photography myself - so you can imagine the days spent on it. I work in healthcare, so not media related at all, just an interest in photography.
I bought my car more for the environmental aspect as I cycle a lot and hate it when cars drive past and I can’t breath. Im keen to spread the word.
So wanted to do a video on the positives, as still lots of unscientific facts reported even from main stream media.
All the data is from scientific peer reviewed journals and multiple studies.
I’m hoping to diversify the channel in the future, but with a full time job, and this being a side project, time is the resource that’s lacking 😂
Thanks for taking the time to comment, made me smile, and helps keep motivated to carry on putting stuff out 👍🏻
buy , buy ,buy
waste , waste ,waste
🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
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The solution for environmental concerns is simply not Buying there for not wasting earth limited precious limited resources
The Notion, if Billions of Working Ice cars were scrapped it would be better for the Environment is simply ridiculous because it fails to acknowledge
they would all need to be replaced one single Tesla can have 8256 Batteries how many batteries it would be needed for MILLIONS of new Ev's ???
I don't think anyone is suggesting scrapping what is already there? More stop producing/buying combustion cars that are worse now, then as combustion cars come to the end of their life, they are replaced with cleaner variants. The batteries last long enough to still be beneficial for the environment. I agree, it would be better if everyone stopped travelling and using resources so much, but whilst that isn't the option, electric transport is a better alternative
Used to like your channel until you came out with this nonsense.
Unsubscribed as your information is horribly misleading and damaging.
You have not accounted for the energy needed to get crude oil out the ground, then transport it, then refine it, then transport the refined petrol/diesel then burning it in the ICE car
Go look at the Fully Charged video on this
Sorry to see you go, which bit was misleading?
ruclips.net/video/1oVrIHcdxjA/видео.html
The bit you try to say an EV is worse than an ICE car. That’s utterly misleading, damaging and nothing more than awful click bait for a channel that up until now has been very useful
If you are going to try and compare the two, you have to add to the ICE calculations all the CO2 for getting the oil, transporting the oil and refining the oil.
Otherwise your comparison is utterly flawed
Hi Matthew, they technically are in initial production, which came as a surprise. So if you were to crash a Model 3 in its first year of life. It would have caused more damage to the environment. I was going off data from the journals I looked at. From what I can tell they were independent, and accounted for transport and manufacture of Petrol. That accounts for 0.7 kg per litre of fuel we use. That was why the figure was 3kg of CO2 not, 2.3kg which is produced out the exhaust pipe.
The overall message was meant to be that whilst they do cause greater harm up front. The overall outcome is better. Sorry if that didn’t come across. I’m going to add all the references in the description later. So you can check it out.
Appreciate the link, hadn’t seen that video, I was aiming for a similar message, apologies if I failed to send it