Joe Friel: Science-Based Training Advice for Older Athletes - Part 1

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  • Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2024

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  • @justapedn1
    @justapedn1 Месяц назад +1

    I was in the race (best I can say about that) when Don Winkley, 81, set the age group record in a 6-day race (Across the Years) in 2019. He ran 326.72 miles. He ran 78 miles at age 86 in a 48 hr race in July this year (2024). Study him, Joe!

  • @gcostagcosta
    @gcostagcosta 4 месяца назад +15

    Consistency is the key

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад +1

      True, as long as what you're doing "constantly" sends the proper adaptive signal to your body that aligns w/ your training goal. Nowadays w/ all these online self proclaimed experts it can be hard to figure that out.

  • @garryreed2725
    @garryreed2725 3 месяца назад +1

    True words spoken. Lifestyle. I Can Because I Think I Can.

  • @Gabrielle4870
    @Gabrielle4870 4 месяца назад +24

    The concept of taking 10,000 steps a day as a fitness goal originated in Japan in the 1960s. It was popularized by a Japanese company called Yamasa Tokei Keiki, which produced a pedometer named "Manpo-kei," meaning "10,000 steps meter" in Japanese. The number 10,000 was chosen primarily for its simplicity and appeal rather than being based on scientific evidence. Over time, this goal has been widely adopted as a standard for daily physical activity, although individual needs can vary.

    • @gordonv.cormack3216
      @gordonv.cormack3216 4 месяца назад +3

      But 10,000 was a pretty good guess. Arguably, you get almost as much benefit from 7,000, but 10,000 gives a bit more.

    • @philipvitkus2109
      @philipvitkus2109 4 месяца назад

      I'm an athlete with aging muscles, I've always said.

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад

      Anybody still eat Wonder Bread? This is a great example of what I'm talking about. "10,000 steps." In the '60's you buy a "Manpo-kei" pedometer made by Yamasa Tokei Keiki. Today (2024) you still chase those 10,000 steps, and you track it w/ a Fitbit by Google. Yet, very few are fit?

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад

      @@gordonv.cormack3216 "Pretty good guess" for what?

    • @gordonv.cormack3216
      @gordonv.cormack3216 4 месяца назад

      @@oldnatty61 Pretty good guess for how many steps you need to achieve most of the benefit. Arguably, you get diminishing returns after about 7,000 steps, so the extra 3,000 provide less benefit. Diminishing returns and all that.

  • @philipvitkus2109
    @philipvitkus2109 4 месяца назад +3

    Consistent weight lifting can be achieved through 3x week commitment to work out in a fitness class at a gym.

  • @mattmcfall4970
    @mattmcfall4970 3 месяца назад +2

    covering great info...lifting weights has certainly been a go to but in develop[ing skillset at any age has its foundation in high level neuromuscular activation...the drive...this is also a big piece of return to sport after injury...it must be addressed the question of every level of atrophy in the injury discussion...I digress, development across the board requires a level and type of speed training few have any knowledge of...Iso kinetics which requires very specific equipment which is very rare but not a unicorn....train my athletes with this apparatus all year. It changes ALL their training and skillset. We change those neuromuscular foundations with the VERT. Just like numerous elite athletes have over the past 40+ years

  • @anniegrinter.4866
    @anniegrinter.4866 2 месяца назад +1

    I am 73 am doing a 70k ultra next month, my dream would be to do a 100miler

  • @philipvitkus2109
    @philipvitkus2109 4 месяца назад +5

    Consider walking with poles (Nordic walking-trekking), walking with weight vest.

    • @gybx4094
      @gybx4094 4 месяца назад

      Yes. I use old bamboo ski poles. It engages my upper body and it's safer, especial up and down hills. I put weights on my ankles and wrists.

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад

      Weight vest? Yes! But!, remember 1 lbs. at the end of a limb equals 5 lbs. on the body. Poles not so much, unless you need 'em? Instead look to Dr. Schwartz and Steve Reeves. What mad Superman so super?

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад

      @@gybx4094 "I put weights on my ankles and wrists." So you simulate planet Krypton's conditions? I wonder what the out come of that would be?

    • @gregripp
      @gregripp 4 месяца назад

      You should train with your goals in mind. Train with a road racing bike if you are going to road race bicycles, ski with your race skis if you are going to ski race (the right ones for your event obviously). Hike with the gear your going to carry on your hike. Weighted baseball bats, ankle weights are appropriate for using weighted baseball bats (why would you?) in sport and ankle weights could screw with your gate. A high intensity resistance training program may be the best all-around training method for older athletes. Consider reading Body by Science by Doug McGuff and John Little. They will give you an in depth explanation of the science of exercise. And remember, recovery makes you improve.

  • @scottheitmanmarinesurvey3557
    @scottheitmanmarinesurvey3557 4 месяца назад +5

    Word. Then there's that 70-year-old guy that competes in American Ninja Warrior

  • @CarnivoreDMD
    @CarnivoreDMD 4 месяца назад +10

    WAS a semi pro triathlete in the 1990’s. Then a dad, business owner & had metabolic syndrome, NAFLD, arthritis, obese, sleep apnea…..eating raw Mediterranean diet.. then a kidney stone. Went KETO & regrew meniscus, & reversed ALL DISEASE. My max HR is the same now as it it was in 2001. Zone 2 70%, HIIT the rest 3x day. KetoVore. Red meat & avoiding plants has COMPLETELY changed my life & vitality.

    • @225rip
      @225rip 4 месяца назад

      Same here age 71, high A1C and Capp but ket0 for 4 years now and much better. Cac score 1000

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад +2

      I see numbers, % signs, acronyms,, excuses, and stupidity.

    • @scarred10
      @scarred10 4 месяца назад

      All total nonsense,nothing can regrow meniscus and you cannot reverse arthtiris.Furthmore the med diet is the most proven diet for health,you didnt get any kidmey stone from diet,dehydration is a major factor

    • @kramkalisthenics
      @kramkalisthenics 2 месяца назад +1

      Hope it works for you long term. Not eating animals changed *my* life. Whole foods vegan for 34+ years. Fit at 66 on no meds/PEDs/TRT and all my parts work. Try my ATG goblet squat workout? ruclips.net/video/3ZonjXZTLUE/видео.htmlsi=wf8tLz6bTIx2FstS&t=26

  • @bobbullethalf
    @bobbullethalf 4 месяца назад +5

    The couch and TV or being active? I take being active.

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад

      You could have both if you want?

  • @evanshaw17
    @evanshaw17 3 месяца назад +4

    Please read the latest research on people over 50 only doing max workouts 15-20 percent of the time and actually not at all as they lead to damage to the heart that cannot be reversed. I am 75 and ride25 miles a day at 20-25 mph but not at my maximum. I was a pro racer as a young man.

  • @philipvitkus2109
    @philipvitkus2109 4 месяца назад +3

    Even Jesus was a peripatetic teacher. 😊

    • @gybx4094
      @gybx4094 4 месяца назад

      Yup. He walked everywhere, never riding horses.

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад

      Very good!👍

  • @kramkalisthenics
    @kramkalisthenics 2 месяца назад +1

    Great info thanks Joe and CTS! I’m 66 training consistently since age 59. I do basic calisthenics (pull-ups, bar-dips, ATG goblet squats). 121 reps squatting w/52 lbs. to a 6 inch depth in 99º F heat: ruclips.net/video/3ZonjXZTLUE/видео.htmlsi=wf8tLz6bTIx2FstS&t=26
    34+ years whole foods vegan, on no meds/PEDs/TRT and all my parts work. 😇

  • @EastbayGolfer
    @EastbayGolfer 4 месяца назад +8

    Our ancestors moved a lot , true, and the life expectancy was like 40.

    • @joehamilton464
      @joehamilton464 4 месяца назад +3

      Irrelevant. Life expectancy has changed mainly because of improvements in medical care and disease control.

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад +1

      I think it was less than that?

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад

      @@joehamilton464 Totally relevant!? Exactly his point.

    • @MatzeMumpitz
      @MatzeMumpitz 4 месяца назад

      And now think how old they could have become if they had had the living conditions of today.

    • @joerapo
      @joerapo 2 месяца назад +2

      If you eliminate deaths before 5 years of age life expectancy was a lot higher. People act as if almost everyone was dying at 40 and nobody made it to 60.

  • @cyclingfreak56
    @cyclingfreak56 4 месяца назад +7

    Where’s the science?🤔

    • @scottheitmanmarinesurvey3557
      @scottheitmanmarinesurvey3557 4 месяца назад

      Did you even listen? 23:30

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад +2

      "Sciences" is a creation of our hard work putting our kids through school. You want to be fit? Leave science alone. Use what our Grandparents gave us. Common sense.

    • @MojoGene
      @MojoGene 4 месяца назад +2

      Where's the science, indeed. This is a 30-minutes waste of time. It could have been summarized in 30 seconds -- getting old is affects performance, dig in your heels and get off your butt and you will slow the process down.

    • @jacklauren9359
      @jacklauren9359 3 месяца назад +2

      @@MojoGeneif you think you can have the same strength and fitness as you age then you are delusional 😂 common sense is not so common right?

    • @michaelvrbanac6923
      @michaelvrbanac6923 3 месяца назад

      WTF? DO YOU KNOW WHAT SCIENCE IS? SERIOUSLY. 23:30 is not scientific in the least bit. It's an opinion and recommendation. ​@scottheitmanmarinesurvey3557

  • @ohthatshim
    @ohthatshim 4 месяца назад +4

    Question: why every single "science yapper" looks either like a Homer Simpson or like one of those worms from "Men in Black" when they clip a gentle age of say 45? Could it be that they dont actually know jack?

  • @philipvitkus2109
    @philipvitkus2109 4 месяца назад +1

    "Science"- repeatable observations- does not prove anything evolutionary - anything with the theory of evolution.

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад

      "Science" is a modern construct designed to replace commonsenses.

    • @terrymcmaster2787
      @terrymcmaster2787 4 месяца назад

      Relevance?

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад

      Yes it does?

  • @oldnatty61
    @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад +1

    Conventional endurance training is the worst choice for older athletes. Consequently make sure you understand this and know why you're doing it.

    • @johndavies7626
      @johndavies7626 4 месяца назад

      What is a better choice for older athletes?

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад +2

      @@johndavies7626 Some Form of shorter duration higher intensity circuit training mixed w/ lower intensity recovery days. Doesn't mean you can't bike or do some other form of endurance training. Just can't build a program around it.

    • @johndavies7626
      @johndavies7626 4 месяца назад

      @@oldnatty61 build a program around?

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад

      @@johndavies7626 First this is just an example off the top of my head. This is for a fit advanced trainee. Everything is scalable. You've got to start where you're at and build up slowly. Also, there's 1000 and 1 ways to do this. On m and f do. (Squat x 15, pull-up x 5, push-up x 10) x 10. On t walk. On w short to medium bike interval workout. th walk. s or sn longer hard bike.

    • @oldnatty61
      @oldnatty61 4 месяца назад

      @@johndavies7626 I did?