"I know that something is wrong but I don't know what it is" 😭🥺 that is so heartbreaking to hear. Glad you have worked on writing this book. We need to prevent this mad sprint to becoming digital ghosts in our own physical world.
My girlfriend has literally been having a mental breakdown thinking she was failing as a parent… cuz of the kids having trouble with school and focusing…. I’ve been trying to tell her it was a bigger problem…. Now maybe she will believe me
Notes and quotes: Will transcribe more soon 10:50 Yohann: went around world speaking to experts, your attn did not collapse, it’s been stolen 13:20 Yang: minds being strip mined by billion dollar co 14:50 not a personal failure 16:40 fundamental mistake, more than personal/ individual 18:10 systematic degrading attn 24:24 Raskin, step one: ban the current business model, identifying people’s weaknesses and hacking them ***26:40 incentives designed to maximally invade your attn, could be to maximally he’s your attention 28:35 prof Roy Bowmeister; expert in will power, author of willpower It’s not your fault 38:10 Nadine Burke Harris, trauma, scanning for risk and danger, hypervigilance 40:25 deep focus is great strategy when you feel safe, not when you’re feeling in danger ***41:12 “Another factor that’s been undermining attention for a long time which is financial insecurity. There’s evidence that the more financially insecure you are the more you struggle to focus. It’s a bit like the bear attack. If you’ve ever been broke, and I have, and lots of people listening have, one thing going wrong can screw you. …You can see that we’re flipped into this mode of hypervigilance and the reason this is so important is in Finland, as you know much better than I do, they did an experiment with a universal basic income where they chose a group of people at random and gave them, I think it was $750 US dollars a month and there were many interesting results. …There was a really interesting one. I interviewed professor Olavi Kangas who did that research, was in charge of monitoring the outcomes. One thing they found was a really significant improvement in people’s ability to focus and pay attention. If you give people a baseline of security and stability they are safer and they can attend more to what’s in front of them and they’re less vigilant. 42:25 scarcity researcher, IQ 13 point difference 44:00 we sleep way less than we used to 48:45 diet ***53:45 countries that solved addiction, Portugal from worst to best ***1:01:45 expecting to deal w this w individual changes is bs, science is strong 1:04:00 childhood: children playing outside, ***1:05:00 Evidence clear, children who exercise and run around is to let them run around 1:06:30 kidnapping, being hit by lightning is 3x greater ***1:10:10 move to a 4 day workweek Perpetual guardian,
Watching this was a wakeup call for me. As a person with a mental illness including ADHD I'm on my phone way too much. My kid is getting home from school soon and I'm going to power off my device for the rest of the day. Thanks to both of you for all of the important insights on this topic.
Lead-based paint is still a serious problem in poor communities and neighborhoods all over the country. A friend did a study of lead poisoning in a poor neighborhood in New Orleans in the early 1990s and found astonishingly high blood lead levels in the children. The nation has never dealt with lead exposure as a nation. Each home owner, each landlord, is basically left to deal with it on their own. Poor people who own a home may not be able to afford to address the lead paint in their old home; poor people who rent may not be able to get the landlord to deal with it. And, of course, many won't even know that it is a problem. And knowing what we now know about lead pipes in Michigan, I've wondered if the old neighborhood she was studying didn't also have lead piping still. I never hear this issue discussed in the context of poor academic achievement. I believe that lead exposure in childhood is STILL a fundamental underlying issue that millions of poor people face and it isn't even part of our national discussion. Developing brains are harmed by exposure to lead. It remains a serious problem and it's distribution is very skewed towards the poor. They face a serious and very unfair challenge that they cannot address on their own. Alex
Andrew - thank you for your podcast and the work you're doing to provide pragmatic conversations on political and social topics. I really appreciate and am inspired by everything you do.
People who don't have kids think parents are just lousy at monitoring the kids' tech use when they don't understand the two main barriers: that the schools require kids to use devices for schoolwork; and secondly that kids aren't allowed to play outside anymore unsupervised hence a lot more time indoors.
Johan Hari has such a great personality! Everyone should be really interested in this topic hopefully people can pay attention long enough to absorb the lessons.
I started watching/hearing this video about two months ago. Of course, something else came up and I completely forgot. Thank god it came back to me - after months- because I really wanted to finish it. Man, 😢this is so sad. He touched on a few points that have been my personal concerns for decades. I was a child that didn’t play outside. I was a child and adult that became hyper vigilant too early. I’m not diagnosed with adhd but I struggle with basic stuff like hygiene and proper nutrition and I’m only 33. I’ve struggled so much with clinical depression, anxiety, ptsd, bipolar, fybromyalgia. I remember being extremely sad at seeing my cousins, who are 10 and 6 years old now.. being glued to their screens, weather phone or tablet… they’d go to sleep and wake up to screen time and that would repeat itself, the screen time was part of school (pandemic., zoom classes, games, RUclips). They’re babies!!! 😢😢😢This is insane and I’m ready to join, start the revolution even if this is the last thing I do.
My situation is so bad it took me 3 days and like 12 different attempts to finish this episode. Johan is a super entertaining guest though. I will check out this book (hopefully it's available in audiobook).
Great conversation. Love he talks about lenore skenazy who is also linked to Jonathon haidt who had a great conversation with Andrew. It all comes full circle :)
Interesting that after I retired and moved to a country where I could afford chelation ( the removal of heavy metals from the body ) 16 of them in 2018 and no longer stressed with making a living. Having social security for the rest of my life and savings so I could sleep without worrying about survival. My ability to focus on other more important things. UBI and access to true healthcare at all levels is important for humanity.
How can we get links to the research cited? Andrew, great efforts all around. Thank you. Johann is making verifiable statements about research done on financial insecurity and attention reduction. Unfortunately Johan's speech is rapid and the professors names are of Indian origin. This ends up with me, and perhaps others being unable to research this content further. Does your show have "show notes" (transcript, links, etc.)? To provide all this potent information without ways to follow up seems short sighted. Is there a way we the RUclips consumers could help rectify this?
Thinking deeply in the traditional sense steals your true focus. Let go of that concentration think of the word concentration to take something that is broad and big and light and compress it down into something that is small and heavy. Do not compress rise above the battlefield so you can see all enter into fish eye mode escape the frontal lobe push yourself to the back of your mind and leave the tunnel vision behind.
What? Happened to The 'Age'? Of The American Family, the 1980's, & before?, it all seemed to have Disintegrated by the 1990's, & certainly by the 2000's, how? did time get to be so Permanently Divided Now !?
My field works with brain waves to treat ADHD, cognitive aging. Old measures of ADHD had to be changed since ‘normal’ brains are much more like ADHD brains 20 years ago. Please let this information spread.
As in, even empirical measurements of brain activity show that the median and average brainwave patterns have shifted toward the kinds of levels that used to be seen primarily just in ADHD patients? Damn.
40:53 reminds me of the experiment, where lower income people had lower results in the IQ test when they had to imagine a financial stressful situation. Edit: Aaaand half a minute later the conversation shifts to financial insecurity :)
LOL #34min. a few issues, "one of them is that in the US the government doesn't care what we think, or what is good for us. " I see the point on the itching powder but we're going to have to get rid of Citizen's United. Loved podcast and Johan. Important work.
I was sitting in class one day when I could smell something that was definitely rotten and looked around to see where it was coming from, turned out it was someone sitting behind me with a bag of mcdonalds!!!
Short videos AKA tik tok... This is specifically designed to keep you from getting any useful information out of the internet to keep you in a small mindset... Keep watching your tic tok videos...
The 4 day work week only works for intellectual jobs. A company that builds cars can produce the same number of cars in 32hr vs 40hr. Same is true for restaurants and grocery stores. But if you are an engineering company it is a great idea b
I feel I am the opposite I tend to be very aware I am on the phone all the time probably because my work deals with screens and sitting in front of it all day. I totally understand what is happening to focus. My brain has trained to be able to tell what is important what can be ignored
Andrew and Johann hari , Here I was about to leave an emotional comment, cuz I was touched by the story Johann was telling. But then I hear Zach’s voice saying “real talk guys” and that how an ad was introduced... so I’m gonna say fuck it, it’s all fake, isn’t it!?! Instead I’ll leave you with my “Tick” a facial tick...😒 happy birthday Johann btw
The way to get rid of the business models on the tech side is NOT data dividends(all that will do is challenge facebook to keep you on their platform even longer for example to claw that money back). I'm a huge fan of Andrew's but this part of his policy is ridiculous, it just seems out of character for him to know he's at odds with the EFF on tech policy and just sort of put blinders on and push the wrong policy. Get behind making interoperability legal(even adversarial), pretty much overnight someone would make a facebook client that doesn't have ads and eventually maybe you get a client that sorts and filters to get the updates you need in the least amount of time .
Everything is built to keep you concentrated in your frontal lobe and locked in your frontal lobe it is very hard to escape... Push yourself to the back of your mind push your existence out of your frontal lobe and open up into fish eye mode and escape your tunnel vision.
I don't have my VR mask yet. Making your Toon is a form of self representation to me. For kids it could be abusive because if they don't like you in your own skin and they don't like you as you're true self. Then what are you good for? I will never understand how mentally braking people is Fun? I met my best friend on WOW 15 years ago. A Very Lame story. I love the idea of being able to teleport from a dungeon with my husband to the Justin Biever concert. I Love meeting people World Wide.✌ Beware of the name ( Noduh. )💣💢I'm Exited about the Metaverse and Crypto because it has the potential to Unite The WORLD! 🌎🌏🌍 Watch, On purpose or not our governments will never let the world unite because - The Worlds cheapest commodity is Human Blood. (( The road to hell is paved with good Intentions.)) Chinese Fireworks to GUN POWDER. Nuclear Energy to Nuclear Bombs. The Internet to Cyberbullying and Shady Deals. The Metaverse to ??? Why would you go up river to see where the body's are coming from? It would have to be people i CARE about because it could be the plague or some mass murderer?
great video but if anyone is reading this then I recommend that you give yourself a chance to read the Quran, its the preserved revelation from our creator, the creator of all that exists, many don't believe that there's a supreme diety that created us but it will blow you mind away with the many scientific facts that are in the quran and many other miracles that proves that its from our creator, before anyone replies to this with zero knowledge, please read first and educate yourself ...hopefully it will change your life, it changed mine!
My first investment with Mrs Clarissa gave me profit of over $24,000 us dollars and ever since then she has never failed to deliver and I can even say she's the most sincere broker I have known
Who's this professional everyone is talking about I always see her post on top comment on every RUclips video I watched I think I'm interested how can I get in touch with Mrs Clarissa?
"We can focus more when we are safe" UBI provides one of those safety measure...
Irony in 2022: trying to focus on work while distracted by a discussion about how my smart phone is destroying my ability to focus.
Alex
YES!
"I know that something is wrong but I don't know what it is" 😭🥺 that is so heartbreaking to hear. Glad you have worked on writing this book. We need to prevent this mad sprint to becoming digital ghosts in our own physical world.
I can listen to Johan Hari all day he's such a great story teller and author, thank you for this ❤️
Made it a point to watch this whole video without simultaneously reading the comments or playing games on my phone! We're making progress over here!!
My girlfriend has literally been having a mental breakdown thinking she was failing as a parent… cuz of the kids having trouble with school and focusing…. I’ve been trying to tell her it was a bigger problem…. Now maybe she will believe me
Notes and quotes: Will transcribe more soon
10:50 Yohann: went around world speaking to experts, your attn did not collapse, it’s been stolen
13:20 Yang: minds being strip mined by billion dollar co
14:50 not a personal failure
16:40 fundamental mistake, more than personal/ individual
18:10 systematic degrading attn
24:24 Raskin, step one: ban the current business model, identifying people’s weaknesses and hacking them
***26:40 incentives designed to maximally invade your attn, could be to maximally he’s your attention
28:35 prof Roy Bowmeister; expert in will power, author of willpower
It’s not your fault
38:10 Nadine Burke Harris, trauma, scanning for risk and danger, hypervigilance
40:25 deep focus is great strategy when you feel safe, not when you’re feeling in danger
***41:12 “Another factor that’s been undermining attention for a long time which is financial insecurity. There’s evidence that the more financially insecure you are the more you struggle to focus. It’s a bit like the bear attack. If you’ve ever been broke, and I have, and lots of people listening have, one thing going wrong can screw you.
…You can see that we’re flipped into this mode of hypervigilance and the reason this is so important is in Finland, as you know much better than I do, they did an experiment with a universal basic income where they chose a group of people at random and gave them, I think it was $750 US dollars a month and there were many interesting results. …There was a really interesting one. I interviewed professor Olavi Kangas who did that research, was in charge of monitoring the outcomes. One thing they found was a really significant improvement in people’s ability to focus and pay attention. If you give people a baseline of security and stability they are safer and they can attend more to what’s in front of them and they’re less vigilant.
42:25 scarcity researcher, IQ 13 point difference
44:00 we sleep way less than we used to
48:45 diet
***53:45 countries that solved addiction, Portugal from worst to best
***1:01:45 expecting to deal w this w individual changes is bs, science is strong
1:04:00 childhood: children playing outside,
***1:05:00 Evidence clear, children who exercise and run around is to let them run around
1:06:30 kidnapping, being hit by lightning is 3x greater
***1:10:10 move to a 4 day workweek
Perpetual guardian,
This guy has talked to some really amazing people. Brilliant.
Here I am, listening to this and doing a thousand other things
Watching this was a wakeup call for me. As a person with a mental illness including ADHD I'm on my phone way too much. My kid is getting home from school soon and I'm going to power off my device for the rest of the day.
Thanks to both of you for all of the important insights on this topic.
And ADHD folks can be very tantalized by electronic devices. It would be good to teach your child to have a long break without devices daily.
@@aurora571000 Fortunately my kid doesn't have any electronic devices aside from an original Gameboy and turntables.
Everyone should listen to this podcast and think about their relationship with technology. This is an incredibly important discussion.
The talk I didn't know I needed today 🙏
I dream to have children in a time where they aren’t afraid to play outside.
Keep dreaming!
Lead-based paint is still a serious problem in poor communities and neighborhoods all over the country. A friend did a study of lead poisoning in a poor neighborhood in New Orleans in the early 1990s and found astonishingly high blood lead levels in the children. The nation has never dealt with lead exposure as a nation. Each home owner, each landlord, is basically left to deal with it on their own. Poor people who own a home may not be able to afford to address the lead paint in their old home; poor people who rent may not be able to get the landlord to deal with it. And, of course, many won't even know that it is a problem.
And knowing what we now know about lead pipes in Michigan, I've wondered if the old neighborhood she was studying didn't also have lead piping still.
I never hear this issue discussed in the context of poor academic achievement. I believe that lead exposure in childhood is STILL a fundamental underlying issue that millions of poor people face and it isn't even part of our national discussion. Developing brains are harmed by exposure to lead. It remains a serious problem and it's distribution is very skewed towards the poor. They face a serious and very unfair challenge that they cannot address on their own. Alex
Thank you for bringing attention to this
Andrew - thank you for your podcast and the work you're doing to provide pragmatic conversations on political and social topics. I really appreciate and am inspired by everything you do.
He would have been a powerfully transformative mayor.
People who don't have kids think parents are just lousy at monitoring the kids' tech use when they don't understand the two main barriers: that the schools require kids to use devices for schoolwork; and secondly that kids aren't allowed to play outside anymore unsupervised hence a lot more time indoors.
Johan Hari has such a great personality! Everyone should be really interested in this topic hopefully people can pay attention long enough to absorb the lessons.
Wow, what an insightful episode. I am going to keep these notes in mind absolutely...
One of your best episodes yet mate
"Available in all reputable and unreputable book shops." Much Love to you both! I am so grateful for these voices of sanity.
This was a fantastic Episode
Love these podcasts, please… never stop fr
Incredible interview. Thank you for interviewing this man Andrew. I will check out his book!
I started watching/hearing this video about two months ago. Of course, something else came up and I completely forgot. Thank god it came back to me - after months- because I really wanted to finish it. Man, 😢this is so sad. He touched on a few points that have been my personal concerns for decades. I was a child that didn’t play outside. I was a child and adult that became hyper vigilant too early. I’m not diagnosed with adhd but I struggle with basic stuff like hygiene and proper nutrition and I’m only 33. I’ve struggled so much with clinical depression, anxiety, ptsd, bipolar, fybromyalgia. I remember being extremely sad at seeing my cousins, who are 10 and 6 years old now.. being glued to their screens, weather phone or tablet… they’d go to sleep and wake up to screen time and that would repeat itself, the screen time was part of school (pandemic., zoom classes, games, RUclips). They’re babies!!!
😢😢😢This is insane and I’m ready to join, start the revolution even if this is the last thing I do.
YANG GANG
Great listen!
My situation is so bad it took me 3 days and like 12 different attempts to finish this episode. Johan is a super entertaining guest though. I will check out this book (hopefully it's available in audiobook).
Andrew, Thank you for this interview, I am trying to send to all of my circle……
Good one. Keep it up Yang Ge!
If you get attacked twice by a bear, take off the steak necklace 🤣🤣🤣
This video deserves more views than it's currently at!! 13,909!
Great conversation. Love he talks about lenore skenazy who is also linked to Jonathon haidt who had a great conversation with Andrew. It all comes full circle :)
Love this show and specifically this episode
Interesting that after I retired and moved to a country where I could afford chelation ( the removal of heavy metals from the body ) 16 of them in 2018 and no longer stressed with making a living. Having social security for the rest of my life and savings so I could sleep without worrying about survival. My ability to focus on other more important things. UBI and access to true healthcare at all levels is important for humanity.
Great interview 👍 👏 👌 🙌 💪
Be careful you all! There's a spam bot comment thread here about Mrs Clarissa (some financial advisor). Has scam written all over it. Just be careful.
I started watching this but then I got distracted
His new book is fantastic. I wish everyone get to read it.
How can we get links to the research cited? Andrew, great efforts all around. Thank you. Johann is making verifiable statements about research done on financial insecurity and attention reduction. Unfortunately Johan's speech is rapid and the professors names are of Indian origin. This ends up with me, and perhaps others being unable to research this content further. Does your show have "show notes" (transcript, links, etc.)? To provide all this potent information without ways to follow up seems short sighted. Is there a way we the RUclips consumers could help rectify this?
Thinking deeply in the traditional sense steals your true focus. Let go of that concentration think of the word concentration to take something that is broad and big and light and compress it down into something that is small and heavy. Do not compress rise above the battlefield so you can see all enter into fish eye mode escape the frontal lobe push yourself to the back of your mind and leave the tunnel vision behind.
Beautiful.
What? Happened to The 'Age'? Of The American Family, the 1980's, & before?, it all seemed to have Disintegrated by the 1990's, & certainly by the 2000's, how? did time get to be so Permanently Divided Now !?
Wow this guy is incredible.
Looking forward to this! 👉
Great episode!!
I wish this type of video could get 200million views bc we need this to change asap
My field works with brain waves to treat ADHD, cognitive aging. Old measures of ADHD had to be changed since ‘normal’ brains are much more like ADHD brains 20 years ago. Please let this information spread.
As in, even empirical measurements of brain activity show that the median and average brainwave patterns have shifted toward the kinds of levels that used to be seen primarily just in ADHD patients? Damn.
40:53 reminds me of the experiment, where lower income people had lower results in the IQ test when they had to imagine a financial stressful situation.
Edit: Aaaand half a minute later the conversation shifts to financial insecurity :)
LOL #34min. a few issues, "one of them is that in the US the government doesn't care what we think, or what is good for us. " I see the point on the itching powder but we're going to have to get rid of Citizen's United. Loved podcast and Johan. Important work.
This was fascinating! Lol “This isn’t even the fried chicken shop that I go to the most”
13:12 very clutch
I both love this and hate it. I wanted something I can do and I am 26 minutes in and it's all stuff beyond my control.
The meta verse will make things so much worse. Imagine wearing glasses and entering a virtual world of endless dopamine...
I was sitting in class one day when I could smell something that was definitely rotten and looked around to see where it was coming from, turned out it was someone sitting behind me with a bag of mcdonalds!!!
Flipping through reddit the whole time I'm watching this lol
Yay, I like Johann
Let’s see how throttled this video gets
It amuses me that I'm listening to a podcast on Stolen Focus... at 1.75x speed, while playing a video game... :-o
Short videos AKA tik tok... This is specifically designed to keep you from getting any useful information out of the internet to keep you in a small mindset... Keep watching your tic tok videos...
The 4 day work week only works for intellectual jobs. A company that builds cars can produce the same number of cars in 32hr vs 40hr. Same is true for restaurants and grocery stores. But if you are an engineering company it is a great idea b
I feel I am the opposite I tend to be very aware I am on the phone all the time probably because my work deals with screens and sitting in front of it all day. I totally understand what is happening to focus. My brain has trained to be able to tell what is important what can be ignored
But it took a lot of effort and I am not like 100 scot free
Love this guy!
Protech or antitech it is exactly like our political system extreme versus opposite extreme left versus right.
Andrew and Johann hari ,
Here I was about to leave an emotional comment, cuz I was touched by the story Johann was telling.
But then I hear Zach’s voice saying “real talk guys” and that how an ad was introduced... so I’m gonna say fuck it, it’s all fake, isn’t it!?!
Instead I’ll leave you with my “Tick” a facial tick...😒 happy birthday Johann btw
The way to get rid of the business models on the tech side is NOT data dividends(all that will do is challenge facebook to keep you on their platform even longer for example to claw that money back). I'm a huge fan of Andrew's but this part of his policy is ridiculous, it just seems out of character for him to know he's at odds with the EFF on tech policy and just sort of put blinders on and push the wrong policy. Get behind making interoperability legal(even adversarial), pretty much overnight someone would make a facebook client that doesn't have ads and eventually maybe you get a client that sorts and filters to get the updates you need in the least amount of time .
Is it weird that I'm watching this podcast while working and it's distracting me?
Love the chemistry btw the two.
Everything is built to keep you concentrated in your frontal lobe and locked in your frontal lobe it is very hard to escape... Push yourself to the back of your mind push your existence out of your frontal lobe and open up into fish eye mode and escape your tunnel vision.
1:15:59 I DIED
🤗
Lol this video stole my focus. It was RUclips auto played
I don't have my VR mask yet. Making your Toon is a form of self representation to me. For kids it could be abusive because if they don't like you in your own skin and they don't like you as you're true self. Then what are you good for? I will never understand how mentally braking people is Fun? I met my best friend on WOW 15 years ago. A Very Lame story. I love the idea of being able to teleport from a dungeon with my husband to the Justin Biever concert. I Love meeting people World Wide.✌ Beware of the name ( Noduh. )💣💢I'm Exited about the Metaverse and Crypto because it has the potential to Unite The WORLD! 🌎🌏🌍 Watch, On purpose or not our governments will never let the world unite because - The Worlds cheapest commodity is Human Blood. (( The road to hell is paved with good Intentions.)) Chinese Fireworks to GUN POWDER. Nuclear Energy to Nuclear Bombs. The Internet to Cyberbullying and Shady Deals. The Metaverse to ??? Why would you go up river to see where the body's are coming from? It would have to be people i CARE about because it could be the plague or some mass murderer?
State run social media? Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.
Is this guy related to James Corden?
So, a "soft" Butlerian Jihad is what you're saying?
🇺🇸
Came for a thought-provoking discussion about the detriments of social media, got a rant about the politics of identity.
🍀 P-R-O-M-O-S-M!!!
Elvis was the king and he died on the throne. End of story.
great video but if anyone is reading this then I recommend that you give yourself a chance to read the Quran, its the preserved revelation from our creator, the creator of all that exists, many don't believe that there's a supreme diety that created us but it will blow you mind away with the many scientific facts that are in the quran and many other miracles that proves that its from our creator, before anyone replies to this with zero knowledge, please read first and educate yourself ...hopefully it will change your life, it changed mine!
Mrs Clarissa is legit and her method works like magic I keep on earning every single week with her new strategy
I think I'm blessed because if not I wouldn't have met someone who is as spectacular as expert Mrs Clarissa
I think she is the best broker I ever seen
My first investment with Mrs Clarissa gave me profit of over $24,000 us dollars and ever since then she has never failed to deliver and I can even say she's the most sincere broker I have known
Who's this professional everyone is talking about I always see her post on top comment on every RUclips video I watched
I think I'm interested how can I get in touch with Mrs Clarissa?
I'm from Australia . I and two other of my friends tried her immediately we testified her performing wonders
I lost $1200 carelessly trading on a platform then I was referred to expert Mrs Clarissa she recovered the loss and made an extra profit of $4600