At 6:30, in Henry's reference frame, why is the light circle staying still, like Henry's train does? Shouldn't the light move to the left away from Henry, along with everything else (Albert, green ground, etc.)?
The light sphere in Henry's frame of reference originates from the center of his train and from that point it expands in ALL directions with velocity equal to c. To Henry it looks like the world is moving backwards relative to his still train but light speed is the same in all directions and in all frames of reference, hence is moves backwards and forwards at the same rate. That's why the light circle always looks still
About the part at the beginning of the video, different explanations for when the magnet is moving and when the coil is moving, the scientists in the those days didn't realize the third possibility, that they were both moving toward each other at equal velocities. I wonder what their explanation would have been for that.
Energy would increase by some factor, like the combined movement. Both moving objects would increase in mass in relationship to the observer. Same results.
If both the magnet and the coil were moving at 0.6c (for example) you can always be at rest relative to the magnet and say that the coil was moving at 1.2/1.36 C or about 0.88 and viceversa,,, and doing this way you can explain why the speed of light it’s the same for everyone because if you measure the electricity going through the coil if both move at 0.6 this must be the same as just one move at 0.88 and not 1.2c (0.6+0.6),,,if it’s not the same the speed of light it’s not the same.
The simple way I visualize time dilation is for the traveler to drop a ball. The traveler's clock would measure the ball going straight down. The observer would see the path of the ball moving down and sideways, thus having a hypotenuse and a longer time. Thought experiments work better for me than trying to understand the math. I think nuclear clocks have orbited earth and returned to be compared to earth clocks to prove time dilation. Each clock in different motion.
They weren't 'nuclear' clocks, IIRC they were Hewlett Packard 5060A atomic clocks which are based on cesium. They flew them around the world in aircraft in the 50's to confirm Einstein's theory. A more contemporary example is the atomic clocks in GPS satellites which have to be corrected to account for the relativistic effects due to both their high rate of speed which makes them tick slower, and also the weaker gravity they experience due to their height above the earth which makes them tick faster. I believe the gravity affects them more than the speed, but I don't remember for certain.
Only problem with your idea is that objects hit the ground at the same time whether dropped straight down or launched straight sideways. That's been an established fact since the time of Galileo and a good reason to realize that Einstein's moving light clock thought experiment is dead wrong. That and the fact that photons can't be pushed sideways so there's no way they could possibly take a diagonal path. The whole thing is complete fantasy.
I don’t understand your point of view…if there are two different inertial frames A and B ,, A it’s not moving so the light go just up and down ,, you say that light B would not move on a hypotenuse from A prospective but from B prospective light would also move up and down,, please tell me what kind of path A would see B light if not on hypotenuse,,,
Where is it location of the light as it turns on you said? On the ground or is it in the middle of the train cart? It looked to me to be located on the ground.
You say Henry goes the distance of 10 light years in a couple of months (due to Lorentz contraction). How in the universe that space of huge distance would notice a tiny rocket ship, identify its speed, use Lorentz equation to find out how much to shrink, and then shrink? What if there were very many rockets all lined up on the same linear path but at different velocities. How will Lorents contraction will accommodate all these rockets?
The twins should age the same if there is no preferred frame of reference, shouldn't they? We can simply change the frame of reference and say that the spaceship was stationary and planet earth distanced from it in high speeds and then turned around and got back, can't we? EDIT! I found my answer, it's funny how easy are these things to forget, the reasoning behind it is that the twin situations is not symmetrical, the one in the spaceship changed direction but the one on earth never experienced such thing
Continuos change of frame reference. One twin experienced acceleration, the other didn´t. The one on the spaceship experienced acceleration on take off, deceleration-acceleration on the return curve, and then deceleration again when about landing.
it does not have nothing to do that the twin on the spaceship changes direction and the other not.. the explanation as explained it’s that if you see your twin who is leaving on a ship you see the ship ONLY! Contracted,,, now from your point of you you don’t just see your twin contracted but the entire space is moving compared to you and then the entire space is contracted…the lenght contraction of the spaceship doesn’t change anything. The spaceship still have a long journey, but the guy inside the spaceship doesnt have to go that far because the whole space is contracted…so with the same clock it seems logical that the guy on the space ship. Experience less time because the event to leave,,,arrive somewhere and come back takes less time again since space is contracted…this is the explanation..forget the rest..
Superspin Superposition-point location at the Centre of Logarithmic Time is the Observable constant creation Communication In-form-ation mechanism as in Bose-Einsteinian Quantum-fields. As any bo-zo can see, once it's pointed out in 3D-T picture-plane containment states of pure-math Perspective. From this example, you can at least re-imagine the orthogonality of 1-0-infinity dimensionality Entanglement, (not a flash-fractal recognition example maybe). In the theory of superimposed Resonance Singularity-point Fusion-Fission Function Re-cognition of Relativity, there's a very big problem with the impossibility of actual cause-effect pulse-evolution remaining connected in any other fashion than ER=EPR Sublimation-Tunnelling Entanglement, ie the clocks are synchronised to "It's always NOW", the Universal Aether of nodal-vibrational points of nothing floating in No-thing. The Thought Experimentalist's Practical Observation of the pulse-evolution sees the flash-fractal sense-in-common experience of superimposed harmonic frequency-amplitudes aligned with Absolute Zero-infinity reference-framing containment positioning get turned insideout by some sort of reciprocation-recirculation frequency inversion. (I dunno how!)
If, as anyone with enough patience can observe, we can imagine how the mono-dualistic Singularity-point positioning of AM-FM relative-timing holography resonance affects our perceptions of continuous conscious awareness at those precise frequencies at the 2-ness picture-plane we think makes the temporal superposition substantiation a real-time Actuality, then the logic of QM-Time e-Pi-i functional driver(s) of superimposed frequency-amplitudes aligned in Electron-photon-phonon-Proton oscillation holography, will behave exactly, with Mathematical Accuracy, as demonstrated, but it is simply WYSIWYG half-truth about the composition of Singularity-point positioning Conception Actuality.
Caltech pathetic propaganda. In 5 June 1905 sumerising fundamental article to the French Academy of Science, the French absolute genious of the century, HENRI POINCARÉ, gives the FINAL SCEAL to the THEORY OF RELATIVITY that HE HAS ACHIEVE WITH HENDRICK LORENTZ, during the 20 past years (1885-1905). In this article he heds beyond the already settled RELATIVITY THEORY based on the RELATIVITY FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE (that HE has name so and upraised to a UNIVERSAL revolutionary PRINCIPLE since 1901, at St Louis Science international meeting), by Indeed applying it to GRAVITATION. So this 5 june 1905, not only the THEORY OF RELATIVITY IS SETTLED AND SCEALED FOR ITERNITY, but furthemore, HENRI POINCARÉ applies it to exibit the RELATIVISTIC COVARIANT THEORY OF GRAVITY. His 5 June 1905 article is finaly ended by THE RELATIVISTIC COVARIANT PREDICTION OF GRAVITATIONAL WAVES. So 1905 IS IN NO WAY "THE STARTING POINT OF RELATIVITY BY ALBERT EINSTEIN" (this is mad Propaganda) BUT ITS ACHIEVMENT BY HENRI POINCARÉ BASED ON THE 1885 HENDRICK LORENTZ (and others like Fitzgerald) INITIAL BREACK THROUGH. Congruently to this 1885 HENDRICK LORENTZ breack through, the universal outstanding overwhelming genious of the XIX-XX th centuries, HENRI POINCARÉ, recognised as soon as 1885 that in revolutionary (MAXWELL-)HERTZ Theory of EM wireless propagation, the ETHER concept played no structural fundamental role, aside a rhetoric one, and that all HERTZ EM THEORY WOULD STAND UNCHANGED WITHOUT THIS rhetorical concept, that he up to then, declare as SUPERFLUOUS & OBSOLETE. So it is 100% HENRI POINCARÉ visionary 1885 victory, to have killed the ETHER CHIMERIC CENTURIES LONG OBSESSING CONCEPT. And from 1885 to 1905, he will keep on explaining this crucial point in many keystone articles, and especially his world wide spread 1902 best seller "vulgarisation" master peace "Science and Hypothesis", which contain mainly all the fundamental pillors of RELATIVITY THEORY, that Albert Einstein Zurich closed friends Academy, studied intensively since 1902. So raising Einstein as the"founding father of Relativity theory", is a total non-sens joke! Moreover during his brilliant teaching years in Sorbonne University and others, from 1885 to 1995, HENRI POINCARÉ build the revolutionary methodology for relatively moving clocks synchronisation, which is the technical hard core of all of RELATIVITY THEORY, leding indeed to LORENTZ-POINCARÉ TRANSFORMATION GROUP WHICH LEAVES THE SPACE-TIME ds^2 interval INVARIANT. Even the famous E=m.c^2, is without any doubt HENRI POINCARÉ 1895 BREAKING THROUGH DISCOVERY, in a outstanding well kknown scientific master peace article. So on all aspects of it, RELATIVITY THEORY was undoubtedly discovered, built, settled and scealed by HENDRIK LORENTZ AND HENRI POINCARÉ BETWEEN 1885 AND 1905. This is FACTUAL SCIENCE ACTUAL HISTORY. The rest is shameless Propaganda.
If rays from the sun are parallel, then eclipses do not cause two shadow types. (umbra, penumbra) If rays do come in at all angles, then the Eratosthenes test and the belief that we can test the earth rotundity in the same way are out! Only one of the above can be true and whichever stays means the other “fact” must go... So think about it which one must go?
rays from sun are **almost** parallel! They are of-course, still angled, but the angle is soo small for all intents and purposes you can just say they are parallel. Not sure how it was related to this video tho!
In a distance of a few meters surrounding the observer the sun rays seem parallel. But if the observer is, as was Eratosthenes, on Alexandria and other observer (the helper) is on Thebes , 800 kmts south, then the rays show the noticeable angle that allowed the Greek man to estimate the Earth Radius.
@@powerdriller4124 At noon one day each year - the summer solstice (between June 20 and June 22) - the Sun’s rays shone straight down into the deep pit. If rays from the sun are parallel, then eclipses do not cause two shadow types. (umbra, penumbra) If rays do come in at all angles, then the Eratosthenes test and the belief that we can test the earth rotundity in the same way are out! Only one of the above can be true and whichever stays means the other “fact” must go... So think about it which one must go?
@@photosphotos :: Both are true. Two sun rays are parallel when the distance between the rays is short, less than a few kilometers; and oblique when the distance between the rays is large, as of hundred of kilometers or more.
I know all the popular science sources claim that the travelling twin will be younger. I wonder when any scientist will tell the fact that both twins will be at the same age at the end of the travel.
The experiment actually has been done with twins and very precise Cesium atomic clocks, at a speed much much much slower than the speed of light, at only 1000 kmts/hr on an airplane for several hours. On returning the travelling twin was 0.000 000 273 seconds younger. There were other relativistic effects besides airplane speed (reduced gravity at high altitude, and movement against the earth rotation).
@@powerdriller4124 the tests were conducted at high altitude under pressure… the tests were flawed because the clocks were not calibrated to withstand the pressure which effected the operation of the clock. You’re spreading pseudoscience propaganda
For the travelling twin, his earthbound twin experiences time compression, the opposite of time dilation. But the motherfuckers didn't explain that part.
Time is time...don't matter where you go...so..the faster you go..more younger you are because the time go faster ...and the slow 🐌..you older...because the time go slow to...nop....time is relative yes...but...the speed of light...in life...is not the same no way you can shot baseball...in the speed of light..the only matter go faster than speed the light...hello...is the ..light...are planet traveling in the space...1800 K/h. In orbit...no in the speed of light...perhaps...the galaxy traveling 2..or..4 ..more than the planet..so for me. ..don't matter...faster..or slow...or ..where you are...we go older and older....and you know......
At 6:30, in Henry's reference frame, why is the light circle staying still, like Henry's train does? Shouldn't the light move to the left away from Henry, along with everything else (Albert, green ground, etc.)?
The light sphere in Henry's frame of reference originates from the center of his train and from that point it expands in ALL directions with velocity equal to c. To Henry it looks like the world is moving backwards relative to his still train but light speed is the same in all directions and in all frames of reference, hence is moves backwards and forwards at the same rate. That's why the light circle always looks still
Just fantastic !
About the part at the beginning of the video, different explanations for when the magnet is moving and when the coil is moving, the scientists in the those days didn't realize the third possibility, that they were both moving toward each other at equal velocities. I wonder what their explanation would have been for that.
Energy would increase by some factor, like the combined movement. Both moving objects would increase in mass in relationship to the observer. Same results.
If both the magnet and the coil were moving at 0.6c (for example) you can always be at rest relative to the magnet and say that the coil was moving at 1.2/1.36 C or about 0.88 and viceversa,,, and doing this way you can explain why the speed of light it’s the same for everyone because if you measure the electricity going through the coil if both move at 0.6 this must be the same as just one move at 0.88 and not 1.2c (0.6+0.6),,,if it’s not the same the speed of light it’s not the same.
@@albertomontecarlo6231 Where did you get the number 1.36?
Wow, excellent!
Light moves slower through bad-ass sunglasses than in a vacuum 😎
so i do digital marketing... is it weird that this series is my favorite thing to listen to while i work?
I prefer to watch in analog.
why is virginia woolf in the thumbnail
9:55
The brain under either is aspestos on the cell
The simple way I visualize time dilation is for the traveler to drop a ball. The traveler's clock would measure the ball going straight down. The observer would see the path of the ball moving down and sideways, thus having a hypotenuse and a longer time. Thought experiments work better for me than trying to understand the math. I think nuclear clocks have orbited earth and returned to be compared to earth clocks to prove time dilation. Each clock in different motion.
They weren't 'nuclear' clocks, IIRC they were Hewlett Packard 5060A atomic clocks which are based on cesium. They flew them around the world in aircraft in the 50's to confirm Einstein's theory. A more contemporary example is the atomic clocks in GPS satellites which have to be corrected to account for the relativistic effects due to both their high rate of speed which makes them tick slower, and also the weaker gravity they experience due to their height above the earth which makes them tick faster. I believe the gravity affects them more than the speed, but I don't remember for certain.
Only problem with your idea is that objects hit the ground at the same time whether dropped straight down or launched straight sideways. That's been an established fact since the time of Galileo and a good reason to realize that Einstein's moving light clock thought experiment is dead wrong. That and the fact that photons can't be pushed sideways so there's no way they could possibly take a diagonal path. The whole thing is complete fantasy.
I don’t understand your point of view…if there are two different inertial frames A and B ,, A it’s not moving so the light go just up and down ,, you say that light B would not move on a hypotenuse from A prospective but from B prospective light would also move up and down,, please tell me what kind of path A would see B light if not on hypotenuse,,,
Where is it location of the light as it turns on you said? On the ground or is it in the middle of the train cart?
It looked to me to be located on the ground.
You say Henry goes the distance of 10 light years in a couple of months (due to Lorentz contraction). How in the universe that space of huge distance would notice a tiny rocket ship, identify its speed, use Lorentz equation to find out how much to shrink, and then shrink? What if there were very many rockets all lined up on the same linear path but at different velocities. How will Lorents contraction will accommodate all these rockets?
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The twins should age the same if there is no preferred frame of reference, shouldn't they?
We can simply change the frame of reference and say that the spaceship was stationary and planet earth distanced from it in high speeds and then turned around and got back, can't we?
EDIT! I found my answer, it's funny how easy are these things to forget, the reasoning behind it is that the twin situations is not symmetrical, the one in the spaceship changed direction but the one on earth never experienced such thing
Continuos change of frame reference. One twin experienced acceleration, the other didn´t. The one on the spaceship experienced acceleration on take off, deceleration-acceleration on the return curve, and then deceleration again when about landing.
it does not have nothing to do that the twin on the spaceship changes direction and the other not.. the explanation as explained it’s that if you see your twin who is leaving on a ship you see the ship ONLY! Contracted,,, now from your point of you you don’t just see your twin contracted but the entire space is moving compared to you and then the entire space is contracted…the lenght contraction of the spaceship doesn’t change anything. The spaceship still have a long journey, but the guy inside the spaceship doesnt have to go that far because the whole space is contracted…so with the same clock it seems logical that the guy on the space ship. Experience less time because the event to leave,,,arrive somewhere and come back takes less time again since space is contracted…this is the explanation..forget the rest..
Superspin Superposition-point location at the Centre of Logarithmic Time is the Observable constant creation Communication In-form-ation mechanism as in Bose-Einsteinian Quantum-fields. As any bo-zo can see, once it's pointed out in 3D-T picture-plane containment states of pure-math Perspective.
From this example, you can at least re-imagine the orthogonality of 1-0-infinity dimensionality Entanglement, (not a flash-fractal recognition example maybe).
In the theory of superimposed Resonance Singularity-point Fusion-Fission Function Re-cognition of Relativity, there's a very big problem with the impossibility of actual cause-effect pulse-evolution remaining connected in any other fashion than ER=EPR Sublimation-Tunnelling Entanglement, ie the clocks are synchronised to "It's always NOW", the Universal Aether of nodal-vibrational points of nothing floating in No-thing. The Thought Experimentalist's Practical Observation of the pulse-evolution sees the flash-fractal sense-in-common experience of superimposed harmonic frequency-amplitudes aligned with Absolute Zero-infinity reference-framing containment positioning get turned insideout by some sort of reciprocation-recirculation frequency inversion. (I dunno how!)
If, as anyone with enough patience can observe, we can imagine how the mono-dualistic Singularity-point positioning of AM-FM relative-timing holography resonance affects our perceptions of continuous conscious awareness at those precise frequencies at the 2-ness picture-plane we think makes the temporal superposition substantiation a real-time Actuality, then the logic of QM-Time e-Pi-i functional driver(s) of superimposed frequency-amplitudes aligned in Electron-photon-phonon-Proton oscillation holography, will behave exactly, with Mathematical Accuracy, as demonstrated, but it is simply WYSIWYG half-truth about the composition of Singularity-point positioning Conception Actuality.
1:11
I wonder what a Henri Poincarè Rookie Card is worth.
Universal Constants:
(1) Speed of Light
(2) Mass of electron
(3) Charge of electron
(4) Planck's Constant
(5) Doug's are smartasses
;)
Caltech pathetic propaganda. In 5 June 1905 sumerising fundamental article to the French Academy of Science, the French absolute genious of the century, HENRI POINCARÉ, gives the FINAL SCEAL to the THEORY OF RELATIVITY that HE HAS ACHIEVE WITH HENDRICK LORENTZ, during the 20 past years (1885-1905). In this article he heds beyond the already settled RELATIVITY THEORY based on the RELATIVITY FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE (that HE has name so and upraised to a UNIVERSAL revolutionary PRINCIPLE since 1901, at St Louis Science international meeting), by Indeed applying it to GRAVITATION. So this 5 june 1905, not only the THEORY OF RELATIVITY IS SETTLED AND SCEALED FOR ITERNITY, but furthemore, HENRI POINCARÉ applies it to exibit the RELATIVISTIC COVARIANT THEORY OF GRAVITY. His 5 June 1905 article is finaly ended by THE RELATIVISTIC COVARIANT PREDICTION OF GRAVITATIONAL WAVES.
So 1905 IS IN NO WAY "THE STARTING POINT OF RELATIVITY BY ALBERT EINSTEIN" (this is mad Propaganda) BUT ITS ACHIEVMENT BY HENRI POINCARÉ BASED ON THE 1885 HENDRICK LORENTZ (and others like Fitzgerald) INITIAL BREACK THROUGH.
Congruently to this 1885 HENDRICK LORENTZ breack through, the universal outstanding overwhelming genious of the XIX-XX th centuries, HENRI POINCARÉ, recognised as soon as 1885 that in revolutionary (MAXWELL-)HERTZ Theory of EM wireless propagation, the ETHER concept played no structural fundamental role, aside a rhetoric one, and that all HERTZ EM THEORY WOULD STAND UNCHANGED WITHOUT THIS rhetorical concept, that he up to then, declare as SUPERFLUOUS & OBSOLETE.
So it is 100% HENRI POINCARÉ visionary 1885 victory, to have killed the ETHER CHIMERIC CENTURIES LONG OBSESSING CONCEPT. And from 1885 to 1905, he will keep on explaining this crucial point in many keystone articles, and especially his world wide spread 1902 best seller "vulgarisation" master peace "Science and Hypothesis", which contain mainly all the fundamental pillors of RELATIVITY THEORY, that Albert Einstein Zurich closed friends Academy, studied intensively since 1902. So raising Einstein as the"founding father of Relativity theory", is a total non-sens joke!
Moreover during his brilliant teaching years in Sorbonne University and others, from 1885 to 1995, HENRI POINCARÉ build the revolutionary methodology for relatively moving clocks synchronisation, which is the technical hard core of all of RELATIVITY THEORY, leding indeed to LORENTZ-POINCARÉ TRANSFORMATION GROUP WHICH LEAVES THE SPACE-TIME ds^2 interval INVARIANT.
Even the famous E=m.c^2, is without any doubt HENRI POINCARÉ 1895 BREAKING THROUGH DISCOVERY, in a outstanding well kknown scientific master peace article.
So on all aspects of it, RELATIVITY THEORY was undoubtedly discovered, built, settled and scealed by HENDRIK LORENTZ AND HENRI POINCARÉ BETWEEN 1885 AND 1905.
This is FACTUAL SCIENCE ACTUAL HISTORY. The rest is shameless Propaganda.
The Sagnac effect wrecks this video and relativity. And another one bites the dust.
is that velikoski on the train? lol
where?
If rays from the sun are parallel, then eclipses do not cause two shadow types. (umbra, penumbra)
If rays do come in at all angles, then the Eratosthenes test and the belief that we can test the earth rotundity in the same way are out!
Only one of the above can be true and whichever stays means the other “fact” must go...
So think about it which one must go?
rays from sun are **almost** parallel! They are of-course, still angled, but the angle is soo small for all intents and purposes you can just say they are parallel.
Not sure how it was related to this video tho!
In a distance of a few meters surrounding the observer the sun rays seem parallel. But if the observer is, as was Eratosthenes, on Alexandria and other observer (the helper) is on Thebes , 800 kmts south, then the rays show the noticeable angle that allowed the Greek man to estimate the Earth Radius.
@@powerdriller4124 At noon one day each year - the summer solstice (between June 20 and June 22) - the Sun’s rays shone straight down into the deep pit.
If rays from the sun are parallel, then eclipses do not cause two shadow types. (umbra, penumbra)
If rays do come in at all angles, then the Eratosthenes test and the belief that we can test the earth rotundity in the same way are out!
Only one of the above can be true and whichever stays means the other “fact” must go...
So think about it which one must go?
@@photosphotos :: Both are true. Two sun rays are parallel when the distance between the rays is short, less than a few kilometers; and oblique when the distance between the rays is large, as of hundred of kilometers or more.
I know all the popular science sources claim that the travelling twin will be younger.
I wonder when any scientist will tell the fact that both twins will be at the same age at the end of the travel.
The experiment actually has been done with twins and very precise Cesium atomic clocks, at a speed much much much slower than the speed of light, at only 1000 kmts/hr on an airplane for several hours. On returning the travelling twin was 0.000 000 273 seconds younger. There were other relativistic effects besides airplane speed (reduced gravity at high altitude, and movement against the earth rotation).
@@powerdriller4124 the tests were conducted at high altitude under pressure… the tests were flawed because the clocks were not calibrated to withstand the pressure which effected the operation of the clock.
You’re spreading pseudoscience propaganda
Einstein turns out was wrong about almost everything.
He is a fraud just a masoct of zionist. Nothing more
For the travelling twin, his earthbound twin experiences time compression, the opposite of time dilation. But the motherfuckers didn't explain that part.
Time is time...don't matter where you go...so..the faster you go..more younger you are because the time go faster ...and the slow 🐌..you older...because the time go slow to...nop....time is relative yes...but...the speed of light...in life...is not the same no way you can shot baseball...in the speed of light..the only matter go faster than speed the light...hello...is the ..light...are planet traveling in the space...1800 K/h. In orbit...no in the speed of light...perhaps...the galaxy traveling 2..or..4 ..more than the planet..so for me. ..don't matter...faster..or slow...or ..where you are...we go older and older....and you know......
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