Narrow gauge Industrial electric railways in Saxony March 2018

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  • Опубликовано: 17 май 2018
  • As well as the more famous steam narrow gauge operations in Saxony, Germany, there are also some electric narrow gauge systems. This film opens with some scenes taken between the plant at Stassfurt and the quarry operation at Forderstedt. The operation is 2km long and runs off 520 volts. The factory produces around 430,000 tones of soda ash per annum which is used for the manufacture of glass and detergents as well as in the steel industry. Look out for cable and gravity shunting!
    The last 2 scenes were taken on the 2km long 900mm gauge (600 volts) railway the runs between the Solvay factory at Bernburg and the quarry at Tagebau

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  • @johnbristow8099
    @johnbristow8099 2 года назад +6

    What a brilliant video! I loved the use of the gradient for 'running round'.

  • @bluef1sh926
    @bluef1sh926 6 лет назад +36

    It's great to see industrial electric narrow gauge locomotives still in use.

    • @PhilThomasTrains
      @PhilThomasTrains  6 лет назад +13

      Its well worth a visit and a real throwback to the 'former times'.

  • @Ul.B
    @Ul.B 3 года назад +21

    Great footage of these small locos, which were produced from 1952 to 1983 by LEW Henningsdorf. 22 locos were built, six of them were delivered to VEB Vereinigte Sodawerke Bernburg in Stassfurt.

  • @ArchTeryx00
    @ArchTeryx00 3 года назад +55

    These are some of the most unique "critter" locomotives I've ever seen - electric, diamond pantographs, narrow gauge? And virtually silent at that. Amazing little locos. Just doesn't get much more unique than that.

    • @OStrip
      @OStrip 3 года назад +3

      one of the oldiest industrials machines - ruclips.net/video/tNFKut3NA5s/видео.html

  • @jorgesabater8640
    @jorgesabater8640 Месяц назад

    Interesting way of switching (shunting) cars using gravity. I had never seen that before. Fascinating video.

  • @ThePaulv12
    @ThePaulv12 3 года назад +4

    God what a fantastic vid! I sat here mesmerized. Company certainly gets their money's worth out of the loco operators. A true one man operation. Looks like he also did the loading and timed it with the cable and winch.
    Cheers for posting this BTW.

  • @Steven_Rowe
    @Steven_Rowe 3 года назад +16

    Great footage, I love e quirky electric locos.
    The first scene reminds me of the old Triang Steeple cabs I,had.
    Nice to see the old diamond pantographs .

    • @gaylespencer6188
      @gaylespencer6188 3 года назад +4

      Those engines coulda used a little Raymond Loewy.

  • @alistairkewish651
    @alistairkewish651 3 года назад +6

    This addition is not really relevant but the original plans for the L & B in Devon were to build an overhead style traction system.
    Steam won the day however and in 1935 they rushed through the closure and of course wasted no time whatsoever in scrapping the lovely, newish locos. No questions asked. Possibly done illegally, it has been argued.
    These narrow- gauge scenes in Saxony are wonderful - and all the more so for being on AC systems. And it is forging ahead,
    I knew nothing whatsoever about this until today. Thanks for posting it on RUclips.

  • @markcarey8426
    @markcarey8426 4 года назад +6

    Excellent! Thanks. Beautiful bridges at the end.

  • @bohhica1
    @bohhica1 3 года назад +39

    These engines look like they have been in a fire or around a long time, my opinion.👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

    • @sahilkannamwar6479
      @sahilkannamwar6479 3 года назад +2

      Yes they look so ugly too in terms of design and look too

    • @LordOfCinder85
      @LordOfCinder85 3 года назад +1

      These were built from the early 50s to the 80s, so you are looking at a locomotive that is between 40 to 70 years old.

  • @r2gnl
    @r2gnl 3 года назад +1

    Very nice vid, thanks for posting.

  • @Isochest
    @Isochest 4 года назад +13

    Amazing fly shunting using the gradient to run the train round the loco!

    • @emeraldzebra9360
      @emeraldzebra9360 3 года назад +5

      We do that in the UK too with Trams and the trailer cars. Run them up just past a run round, gravity shunt the trailer into a loop while the tramcar moves to the opposite end at the same time *requires a fast point change*, slowly roll the trailer car down to the Tramcar now waiting on the other end, drop the coupler bar, off you go.

    • @emeraldzebra9360
      @emeraldzebra9360 3 года назад +3

      @@pega17pl If you watch the Manx Electric Railway (M.E.R.) they used to gravity shunt too. Its on Isle Of Man here in UK

    • @pega17pl
      @pega17pl 3 года назад +1

      @@emeraldzebra9360 - I watched the Gravity Slate Train on the Ffestiniog Railway in Wales.
      ruclips.net/video/oos-wkKjvKk/видео.html

    • @lucylane7397
      @lucylane7397 3 года назад +2

      They used them in Durham until the mines closed in the 90s to roll the full trains down to the docks with a cable pulling the empties back up

  • @petersmith4455
    @petersmith4455 3 года назад +7

    great video, these locos are Dr Frankenstein types,love the diamond pantagraphs,reminds me of the Triang steeple cab locos

  • @ricardosuarez8023
    @ricardosuarez8023 3 года назад +2

    Brilliant. Appreciate your time.
    Thank you for sharing.

  • @roberthuron9160
    @roberthuron9160 3 года назад +5

    There was a line in Japan,(2 foot),that actually operated passenger service,and also used mine locomotives! It would have bee

    • @roberthuron9160
      @roberthuron9160 3 года назад +3

      (Continued),been nice if you had put the mm-inch,equivalent! I know it's 2 foot,and 2'-6",but it keeps us old heads on the ball,thanks 😊!

  • @LectronCircuits
    @LectronCircuits 3 года назад +2

    Awesome! Wonderful to model in any of the larger scales. Per chance a 600mm & 900mm dual-gauge layout is in order. Cheers!

  • @peterhanahoe4913
    @peterhanahoe4913 6 лет назад +4

    Great stuff Mr T.

  • @glypnir
    @glypnir 3 года назад +2

    Like other people mentioned, the gravity shunting blew my fragile little mind. I understand a hump yard, but that was more like a bowl yard - throw the cars up one side of the bowl, and flip the switch before they come back down, and then they go up the other side of the bowl and stop? Bowling with soda? Then I noticed - no apparent brake lines - definitely don't mess with that train at the crossing. It seems to all be stopped with the locomotive. I guess that is standard practice for industrial railroads?

  • @fmnut
    @fmnut 3 года назад +6

    Looks like they upgraded the track at Stassfurt from the time of my visit in 2013. Nice work!

    • @user-jw1nk6oo6x
      @user-jw1nk6oo6x 3 года назад +2

      เห็นด้วยรายอื่น,

  • @tracynation239
    @tracynation239 3 года назад +2

    An excellent video. Hello from the Tracy Mountain Railway in Colorado. ♡ T.E.N.

  • @csongorvarga
    @csongorvarga 3 года назад +8

    Very nice. And the track is pretty decent for an industrial line. I think those are SKL clips on the track which leads to the loading tower. Not something you see often on narrow gauge.

    • @PhilThomasTrains
      @PhilThomasTrains  3 года назад +5

      It seems to continue to receive investment. I understand that they have received some new locos in the last 12 months as well.

  • @pega17pl
    @pega17pl 3 года назад +2

    Never seen such do-it-yourself narrow gauge electro locos. And how gravitiy is simply used. - Cheers, Heinz

  • @ZuegezwischenPragundDresden
    @ZuegezwischenPragundDresden 3 года назад +1

    Nice video! Stassfurt and Forderstedt are in Saxony-Anhalt. So much time has to be.

  • @trainsautisticmarriedsingl6614
    @trainsautisticmarriedsingl6614 3 года назад +6

    Oh that carbon dust from the electrodes!!!

  • @kevanhubbard9673
    @kevanhubbard9673 2 года назад +1

    At first sight I thought that the train driver must sit in what looked like a primitive windowless cab under the pantagraph but I see it's at the rear and does have windows.

  • @patsematary
    @patsematary 3 года назад +4

    First time I see electric chairs on rails

  • @alcopower5710
    @alcopower5710 3 года назад +2

    Very interesting 👍

  • @ulibaer57
    @ulibaer57 3 года назад +1

    Very nice 👍 👌 😃

  • @ableone7855
    @ableone7855 3 года назад +35

    Too bad the engines couldn’t get a nice coat of paint!

    • @jonathancook4022
      @jonathancook4022 3 года назад +2

      Look at that sad, weary face

    • @bjoe385
      @bjoe385 3 года назад +1

      They look like they’ve been on fire.

    • @thunderbird1921
      @thunderbird1921 3 года назад +1

      They need it. Looks like they haven't been painted in 30 years.

  • @raymondleggs5508
    @raymondleggs5508 3 года назад +1

    the railcars are cleaner than the locomotives

  • @stary1234
    @stary1234 3 года назад +2

    beauty

  • @nigelhodges3113
    @nigelhodges3113 4 года назад +7

    Fascinating footage, thanks for sharing.
    Couple of queries if I may. Does the Stassfurt line run through publicly accessible areas? And are both lines easily accessible by public transport? Thanks.

    • @PhilThomasTrains
      @PhilThomasTrains  4 года назад +3

      I travelled to this area by car therefore I am uncertain about access using trains/buses. However, the 'right to roam' laws in Germany make this a fairly accessible line.

  • @makingithappen5178
    @makingithappen5178 3 года назад

    This is probably worse when there is a snowstorm.

  • @jbsmarklinmodellbahn1728
    @jbsmarklinmodellbahn1728 3 года назад +2

    When the panto kill the loco and the waggons roll by themselves. Very nice :-)

  • @flyingporker100
    @flyingporker100 4 года назад +6

    I love the old contraptions on the Stassfurt line. The pantographs seem to wobble like a jelly and I wonder how often they have dewiring incidents. The wagons are great too.
    Do you have any details about the locos and the line? I am thinking about building a OO9 line with overhead electrification. The hopper wagons would be ideal, but will need to be scratch built.

    • @PhilThomasTrains
      @PhilThomasTrains  3 года назад +4

      The locos were built by Lokomotivbau-Elektrotechnische Werke (LEW) in Hennigsdorf and are based on a mining loco, but with pantograph fitted instead.

    • @flyingporker100
      @flyingporker100 3 года назад +2

      @@PhilThomasTrains
      Thanks for that. Do you know when they were built?

    • @pufferkuesser97
      @pufferkuesser97 3 года назад +1

      @@flyingporker100 If I remember right between 1952 and 1983. There aren't much dewiring accidents. Thats the reason why they have the diamond style pantograph

  • @EdWhizAviationTrains
    @EdWhizAviationTrains 3 года назад +2

    Very nice, forgive me for asking how old are these engines? I Subscribed 😎👍

  • @jorgenvids9338
    @jorgenvids9338 3 года назад +1

    cant hear a thing over those noisy wind turbines. sounds like an aircraft landing and taking off.

  • @g_e_o_m9369
    @g_e_o_m9369 6 лет назад +5

    Those 900mm lines look like the 900mm lines and equipment built by Seimens for the SECV in Southern Australia after WWI

  • @Paragneis
    @Paragneis 3 года назад +3

    Wie süüüüüß!

  • @nmgt1048
    @nmgt1048 3 года назад +1

    funny looking locomotives pushing and pulling soda ash cars on the narrow gauge rails. Pantographs raised high (for safety) to reach the trolley wire with these small engines. from 10:25 to 13:14 there is a more modern railway of this kind.

  • @colorfun1963
    @colorfun1963 3 года назад +4

    51°52'36.6"N 11°36'53.1"E

  • @dodgydruid
    @dodgydruid 3 года назад +8

    Were they Soviet era and origin? Certainly like a lot of Soviet era eastern bloc stuff they look somewhat strange in comparison to western units.

    • @Ul.B
      @Ul.B 3 года назад +4

      GDR production, since they were produced from 1952 to 1983.

  • @ireland1953
    @ireland1953 3 года назад +5

    Wow, how old are those locomotives?

    • @Ul.B
      @Ul.B 3 года назад +1

      They were produced from 1952 to 1983. So, they are between 68 and 37 years old.

  • @mvraillover3058
    @mvraillover3058 3 года назад +2

    👍👍👍

  • @kinogaming5228
    @kinogaming5228 3 года назад +4

    3:53 the cars move by themselves?

  • @yugalupasani4126
    @yugalupasani4126 3 года назад +1

    At 3:33 saving Mother Earth.

  • @user-ry9gv7pw5c
    @user-ry9gv7pw5c 3 года назад +1

    Ohuenno! 👍🏻

  • @gardnersmith3580
    @gardnersmith3580 3 года назад +1

    New gravity engine featured 03:17

  • @orangeytrain8878
    @orangeytrain8878 3 года назад +1

    Do they have horns?

  • @bhankasjat74
    @bhankasjat74 3 года назад +1

    When the carts can move on their own, on flat surface (when connecting to the engine, the carts move towards the engine), why need an engine in the first place?

    • @migmog9549
      @migmog9549 3 года назад

      The distance to the main factory curves too much for a gravity railway, thats the loader then a few miles away is the processing plant

  • @SwedMsu
    @SwedMsu 3 года назад

    Out of curiosity, does anyone know why the company has not elected to replace them with conveyor belts?

    • @PhilThomasTrains
      @PhilThomasTrains  3 года назад

      That's a good question - I guess its purely down to cost.

  • @bearbon2
    @bearbon2 3 года назад +5

    Couldn't help noticing the STOP sign in English, not German.

    • @WAL_DC-6B
      @WAL_DC-6B 3 года назад +4

      In Poland and Russia STOP signs are in English too.

    • @Triplex5014
      @Triplex5014 3 года назад +2

      In Croatian it's "STOP" too. I know in German "HALT" would be the proper word.

    • @Ul.B
      @Ul.B 3 года назад +2

      Despite the German grammar we use since 1997, it's really a German stop sign.

    • @Plons0Nard
      @Plons0Nard 3 года назад +1

      In Dutch it is STOP as well 🤝

    • @PhilThomasTrains
      @PhilThomasTrains  3 года назад

      I've noticed that in Canada they use the French for stop which is 'Arrete', but France uses 'Stop' - very confusing!!!!

  • @onemax8886
    @onemax8886 3 года назад +1

    fantastic narrow gage, but where is this?

    • @Ul.B
      @Ul.B 3 года назад +3

      Staßfurt, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany

    • @onemax8886
      @onemax8886 3 года назад +2

      Thank you ! Are they still alive?

    • @Ul.B
      @Ul.B 3 года назад +1

      @@onemax8886 Some of them maybe, but since new locos have been delivered in 2019, the old locomotives are probably about to be replaced in the near future.

  • @BanglaStudio711
    @BanglaStudio711 3 года назад

    whats the name of engine?

  • @grahamariss2111
    @grahamariss2111 3 года назад +3

    A bit of DDR tech still lives.

  • @onemax8886
    @onemax8886 3 года назад +1

    IC, thnx.

  • @indianrailway1516
    @indianrailway1516 3 года назад +2

    👍😘🥰😍🤩

  • @akashvishwakarma5897
    @akashvishwakarma5897 3 года назад +1

    Trains from the world of lego

  • @scubajoe3321
    @scubajoe3321 3 года назад +1

    Why is narrow gage used?

    • @PhilThomasTrains
      @PhilThomasTrains  3 года назад +1

      Not really sure - there are no access issues so I'm guessing just that the cost is less.

    • @martinum4
      @martinum4 3 года назад +2

      My guess would be that back in the day there were different rulesets for normal rail and "industrial rail" (don't really know the right word.).
      Also the GDR was not allowed to build certain types of locomotives due to treaties

  • @satyanarayanasatya4031
    @satyanarayanasatya4031 3 года назад +1

    Which country

  • @ThomasBensler
    @ThomasBensler 3 года назад +3

    electric steam punk

  • @ko-nnbata-
    @ko-nnbata- 3 года назад +1

    なんで勝手に3両だけ動いてるの?

  • @dodgydruid
    @dodgydruid 3 года назад +2

    Of course there was another small claim to fame here, in that a good part of the Hiroshima bombs fissile uranium was captured by the allies in this area and used to fuel the US bombs dropped on Japan.

  • @enriquemarin5788
    @enriquemarin5788 3 года назад +11

    The U.S. Shinkansen...😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @HelloHiHelloHiHello
    @HelloHiHelloHiHello 3 года назад +2

    Most boring place ever