Welcome to film school in the 70’s. Brings back a lot of memories of shooting with 16mm. Our mantra was as you say “expose for the shadows and let the highlights take care of themselves.”
I’ve found the easiest solution for metering film with a phone app is to bring along a grey card. Meter the grey card where your subject is going to be, and if you want to bias a bit towards shadows or highlights, you can tilt the card into direct light or into the shadow (bounce/ambient light) to make that adjustment. I’ve had bang-on exposure with this technique without fail. You can also easily factor in filtration (like vari-ND) by metering through them with the phone. This is also a great way to get your vari-ND set correctly for whatever T-stop you’re wanting to use.
It’s really interesting that you need to lean towards over exposing instead of under exposing since it’s typically more the opposite with digital, since it’s often easier to save details from darkness than from highlights when editing/color correcting. I feel like I’d constantly be fighting to remember that. Fantastic video, I really enjoyed this!
I learned more from this one video than what I would from many others, because you covered all the basics i wanted and you kept to the point. Most RUclipsrs talk a lot about unrelated stuff, but this was straight locked into the subject, about exposures especially with practicals and the film examples. So thank you so much
@@Hawa_ChapalYou can earn from super8, then slowly buy affordable ones and do more projects. Ask local bands if they want their music shot on film. They buy the film, processing and scanning and the rest you get paid for the work. I'm sure if you upload your work and if it's shot, edited, acted, lit well with good sound, you'll get projects. I don't know what you've tried so far, so sorry if you've already done what I said. I recently shot 11 super8 rolls but mostly goofing around on different stocks to see their results in various light conditions and ill approach this local death metal band, showing them the results, to ask them if they want a music video done by me. If they agree, it'll be a good start for me and to upgrade to 16mm. Short projects are better in the beginning, if you just have some LED lights, the 5 in 1 reflector/shade sheets pack, tripod and something to stabilize movement and a light meter, Variable ND, Mattebox, Color Card, Slate....and i guess you're good to go.
@1:10 what do you mean by that? How shutter speed might be locked by Kodak if camera is made by Bolex? Also you have your shutter speed adjustment on the front of this Bolex, so it's not locked in.
It's not locked into the film. The speed of the film is locked in. (speed meaning ISO) but it's not really locked, you can push and pull and rate the film however you want. You do it the same digitally But you do have a variable shutter on the Bolex that you can close a couple stops and even fade in. I think he's referring to the actual movement of the shutter not whether the variable shutter is open or not. at 24fps your shutter is fixed at 1/65 or 133 degree shutter.
So the Rex5 sends light from the lens to the viewfinder and this needs to be compensated for (it’s well documented) … so one reason you were underexposing is because with the BOLEX if Kodak says 1/60 it is actually 1/65 with a BOLEX due to shutter angle and then compensating for light loss you have to set it to 1/80. This might help with the 50D.
I got a 16mm film camera from the Soviet era that I’ve been meaning to shoot. Been putting it off out of fear I think. But your honesty with your newness is encouraging me to shoot with it now. It’s pretty snowy where I live and I have 250D film stock. Will this be a problem? PS I own the K3
Get yourself a 77mm ND4 filter for the Meteor zoom that takes away 2 f-stops so whenever it is too bright you can shoot! Or even ND6 that takes 3 f-stops.
You left out (probably intentionally)one film stock from Kodak, and possibly the best of the bunch--Ektachrome. Wish it was in 35mm movie film too, but I don't know how big the market is there, if there even is one
I have 16mm film from the past but have struggled to find a reasonable 16mm projector to show them. Easy to locate 8mm projectors. Any suggestions for a 16mm projector?
I’ve had a k3 that has been modified for super 16 for a couple years. I haven’t really put it to use because the film kept getting jammed and bunched up. Not sure if I wasn’t loading it properly or if it needs to be serviced. But would love to see a how to video to load the film properly in the k3 if you have the time for it!
Had the same problem. Watch the video posted in this thread for loading without loop formers. You have to sort of make the loop yourself. I learned the hard expensive way
Nice you're shooting film. Good to hear a disclaimer that you're just starting out and finding shooting celluloid rewarding. Might want to get an actual meter tho. I was out there In Nashville earlier this year shooting a commercial on Super 16 Anamorphic. Also next time you do a skate shot close your eyepiece so the film doesn't get flashed, on a sunny day that shot would have been a no go. If your eye isn't on the eye piece then light is getting in that shouldn't be and it won't be the light leeks on the edges that are complimentary to certain shots that happen when you load the film in brighter places. Also using white gaff tape like in that photo to seal off seems and potential light leak spots isn't that helpful if the tape your using is penetrated by light easy.
Great video! So helpfull, but lets talk about the color grading for this video 🤌🏼 which settings are u guys using? do you guys sell this kind of lut? Loving the sony fx3 content 🤘🏼
If you use 50D film, you could push to 200 ASA (or more, if you'd like). It would give you more Information to work with and a unique look to your footage. Just don't forget to tell your develop lab that you pushed the film
I have been watching 16mm and 8mm film footage on RUclips, everyone keeps forgetting to USE A TRIPOD!!!!!! hahaha. Everyone is used to digital and image stabilization. I guess you could stabilize the footage in post, but that defeats the purpose of using the film camera..... Tripod, tripod, tripod.........Thank You :)
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Welcome to film school in the 70’s. Brings back a lot of memories of shooting with 16mm. Our mantra was as you say “expose for the shadows and let the highlights take care of themselves.”
love that
This was film school in the '90's, as well. Bolexes, Eclairs, Arri BL's, Arri S's... Cutting on Moviolas and Steenbecks as late as '94.
I’ve found the easiest solution for metering film with a phone app is to bring along a grey card. Meter the grey card where your subject is going to be, and if you want to bias a bit towards shadows or highlights, you can tilt the card into direct light or into the shadow (bounce/ambient light) to make that adjustment. I’ve had bang-on exposure with this technique without fail.
You can also easily factor in filtration (like vari-ND) by metering through them with the phone. This is also a great way to get your vari-ND set correctly for whatever T-stop you’re wanting to use.
I love 16 mm so much. I regret selling my bolex a few years back. I might have to get another one
its a look like nothing else!
It’s really interesting that you need to lean towards over exposing instead of under exposing since it’s typically more the opposite with digital, since it’s often easier to save details from darkness than from highlights when editing/color correcting. I feel like I’d constantly be fighting to remember that. Fantastic video, I really enjoyed this!
I was just thinking exactly that. I’m so used to under exposing when I shoot on my iPhone
@@Mistygio it just seems so backwards, dark video is usually a lot easier to salvage!
I have a film project tomorrow and so glad I came across this video just in time. You shared really valuable information that I'll heed to. Thank you.
I learned more from this one video than what I would from many others, because you covered all the basics i wanted and you kept to the point.
Most RUclipsrs talk a lot about unrelated stuff, but this was straight locked into the subject, about exposures especially with practicals and the film examples. So thank you so much
I don't like 16mm film because I can't afford to shoot videos in 16mm film.
@@Hawa_ChapalYou can earn from super8, then slowly buy affordable ones and do more projects. Ask local bands if they want their music shot on film. They buy the film, processing and scanning and the rest you get paid for the work. I'm sure if you upload your work and if it's shot, edited, acted, lit well with good sound, you'll get projects. I don't know what you've tried so far, so sorry if you've already done what I said.
I recently shot 11 super8 rolls but mostly goofing around on different stocks to see their results in various light conditions and ill approach this local death metal band, showing them the results, to ask them if they want a music video done by me. If they agree, it'll be a good start for me and to upgrade to 16mm. Short projects are better in the beginning, if you just have some LED lights, the 5 in 1 reflector/shade sheets pack, tripod and something to stabilize movement and a light meter, Variable ND, Mattebox, Color Card, Slate....and i guess you're good to go.
thank you niles
pretty chill! diggin the video
would love to see more motion picture vids from you guys! enjoyhed this
Unless you prefer to fix it in post, use an 85 filter if you're shooting Tungsten film in daylight.
Yeah but fixing it in post isn't really exactly the same, there will always be some color cast or little shift in some colors
@1:10 what do you mean by that? How shutter speed might be locked by Kodak if camera is made by Bolex? Also you have your shutter speed adjustment on the front of this Bolex, so it's not locked in.
Exactly what I said .. this guy is clearly a noob, who should have done more research before jumping into a tutorial style video 🥴
It's not locked into the film. The speed of the film is locked in. (speed meaning ISO) but it's not really locked, you can push and pull and rate the film however you want. You do it the same digitally But you do have a variable shutter on the Bolex that you can close a couple stops and even fade in. I think he's referring to the actual movement of the shutter not whether the variable shutter is open or not. at 24fps your shutter is fixed at 1/65 or 133 degree shutter.
So the Rex5 sends light from the lens to the viewfinder and this needs to be compensated for (it’s well documented) … so one reason you were underexposing is because with the BOLEX if Kodak says 1/60 it is actually 1/65 with a BOLEX due to shutter angle and then compensating for light loss you have to set it to 1/80. This might help with the 50D.
Super sick!!!!!
Enjoyed this video. Getting harder and more expensive to find a good Bolex. I too, love shooting 16mm.
Excellent video!
I got a 16mm film camera from the Soviet era that I’ve been meaning to shoot. Been putting it off out of fear I think. But your honesty with your newness is encouraging me to shoot with it now. It’s pretty snowy where I live and I have 250D film stock. Will this be a problem?
PS I own the K3
Get yourself a 77mm ND4 filter for the Meteor zoom that takes away 2 f-stops so whenever it is too bright you can shoot! Or even ND6 that takes 3 f-stops.
Totally RAD, Bro!!! 👍👍👍
You left out (probably intentionally)one film stock from Kodak, and possibly the best of the bunch--Ektachrome. Wish it was in 35mm movie film too, but I don't know how big the market is there, if there even is one
love it!) need more about K-3
I have 16mm film from the past but have struggled to find a reasonable 16mm projector to show them. Easy to locate 8mm projectors. Any suggestions for a 16mm projector?
So cool
Big respect
I’ve had a k3 that has been modified for super 16 for a couple years. I haven’t really put it to use because the film kept getting jammed and bunched up. Not sure if I wasn’t loading it properly or if it needs to be serviced. But would love to see a how to video to load the film properly in the k3 if you have the time for it!
Super good idea. I'm sure there is one out there but we can definitely do that
With the loop formers : ruclips.net/video/Ooxf3sBZHJ4/видео.html
Without the loop formers : ruclips.net/video/hAh9VXAPX0k/видео.html
Had the same problem. Watch the video posted in this thread for loading without loop formers. You have to sort of make the loop yourself. I learned the hard expensive way
Nice you're shooting film. Good to hear a disclaimer that you're just starting out and finding shooting celluloid rewarding. Might want to get an actual meter tho. I was out there In Nashville earlier this year shooting a commercial on Super 16 Anamorphic.
Also next time you do a skate shot close your eyepiece so the film doesn't get flashed, on a sunny day that shot would have been a no go. If your eye isn't on the eye piece then light is getting in that shouldn't be and it won't be the light leeks on the edges that are complimentary to certain shots that happen when you load the film in brighter places. Also using white gaff tape like in that photo to seal off seems and potential light leak spots isn't that helpful if the tape your using is penetrated by light easy.
What digital camera did you use to shoot at 2:39? It's really nice. Crisp. I'd like to buy that same camera
its the sony fx3 bro
Wait till he finds out about 65mm film and how you can get 8K + scans out of it like Baraka (movie)
I actually want to know what camera has been used to film this video. Hope you will tell me that.
Sony FX3
Do you guys have any recommendations for how/where to get 16mm developed and scanned? I'm in Seattle if you know of anywhere local :)
@moment which lenses did you have on this camera’s turret?
Only the good Kern Switar 75mm + 16mm + 25mm lenses. But it is not a H16 REX-5, more like a REX-3.
What is the camera he's using? Is it a Bolex?
Great video! So helpfull, but lets talk about the color grading for this video 🤌🏼 which settings are u guys using? do you guys sell this kind of lut? Loving the sony fx3 content 🤘🏼
Use my warm film vibes LUT!
Was the vid filmed with the fx3?
A really entertaining and informative video.
Yea
Tulsa
It's a rad place!
I was looking for a video exactly like this.thx
Looking through all your other videos it's surprising you haven't figured out a monitor situation for yourself lol.
What name is that camera?
Bolex
Bolex H16 Reflex Model REX-3 from about 1964.
If you use 50D film, you could push to 200 ASA (or more, if you'd like). It would give you more Information to work with and a unique look to your footage. Just don't forget to tell your develop lab that you pushed the film
There's no point of pushing 50 to 200 if you've got 250D. 50D is ideal for shooting in bright daylight without need for NDs
Niles, does it apply for the 18mm Wide Angle? I’m a rookie, so I thought 16mm, 18mm… “Maybe it’s like the same thing”
sorry it's not related :)
16mm is about width of the film not about the lens. That's totally different
Still on the hunt for incredible TONEZ
Killer
How is 500T cooler? Wouldn’t it be warmer since if it’s for interiors
No because tungsten light (as in most interiors back then) is warmer so you need cooler film to make it white not yellow.
That Bolex is not a Rex 5.
I have been watching 16mm and 8mm film footage on RUclips, everyone keeps forgetting to USE A TRIPOD!!!!!! hahaha. Everyone is used to digital and image stabilization. I guess you could stabilize the footage in post, but that defeats the purpose of using the film camera..... Tripod, tripod, tripod.........Thank You :)
Or a gimbal
Run retro
You should overexpose bud, 1 or 2 stops. All your shots were too dark to retrieve in post. MUDDY!
Can you please make a reaction video to The lady of heaven movie Trailer? I know this isn’t your type of content but sometimes change can be positive. It’s coming out in AMC theaters on December 10 , 2021 in the US plus you can order the ticket in advance in their website and it is expected to have a worldwide release in various countries and it’s fine, your reaction video doesn’t have to be professionally made. Your immediate action to this noble cause would be greatly appreciated. ❤️❤️
coooool
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