Speak For Yourself For since 2012 when OKC lost in the finals and KD still set a playoff efficiency record and averaged 30 ppg. And KD has been undermined by the leadership thing right, but he was undermined by the performance of JAMES HARDEN. KEVIN DURANT WILL BUST ANY AND EVERYBODY UP ALL DAY LONG. And they all know this #TheyKnow #ShortyLow
27-9-8 with no D, multiple turn overs, and horrible free throw percentage. His stat line would be cut in half if he remotely tried to play play some competant D
But he had Gasol, Odom and Fisher was still playing. If you want a good example of what Bron is facing right now put Kobe missing the playoffs during his prime (even though Bron is no longer in his), he was injured and when he returned it was too late unfortunately
No one had that problem because it was the truth. KD can never be doubled on the warriors, just think about it. Prime LeBron every time he drove 3 people would collapse on him. On prime KD you can’t double cause you have Steph and Klay by his side. KD hasn’t proved anything, any top 10 player would win on that team.
What is it with this workload stuff? This is how he plays. He wants the ball and he wants everything to go through him. If he learned to play in a regular offensive system, he would not have to carry this large load. He plays the LeBron system. That is why he is 3-6 in the finals. That is why he can't play defense now. Its too much for one player. Should have gone to college and learned to play basketball the right way. Hint Hint KD said it best. Share the ball. Move your feet on defense. Help your teammates. This is still a team sport.
#michael wansley: I couldn't agree more. LeBron needed to be taught and shown the correct way to play and perhaps a year or two of college would have helped in that regard. Then again, the majority of the early 1st round draft picks are one and done (unless they are from an European Professional Basketball league) and have at least one year of Next level basketball structure. If LeBron were on the Warriors he couldn't play the way he's accustomed. He would learn how to play the Warrior way which is the correct way of playing the game of basketball.
Haaaaaaaaa michael wansley , I don't know why Michael Wansley , you are so uneducated . Only your argument base on ignorance . KD is Better than LeBron James ? Haaaaaa this is a joke of the year .
@@mugwegwe uneducated?? I think you need to read it again. No where on this post does it say one player is better than another. Only on your reply. KD SAID IT BEST "PLAY THE RIGHT WAY". SHARE THE BALL"
LeBron missed an entire month and half of week lol. When Curry got injured and the Warriors kept losing games nobody blamed Curry and when he went 1-13 and people say ‘he came from an injury’. Granted LeBron has played god awful but it’s not fair to say such thing lol
I'm so glad he went to the west. Finally exposing him. Playing 4x west teams every year, harder rounds in the playoffs = maybe 1 championship MAX he would have right now, had he played in the West his whole career. On top of Kobe shitting on him in the playoffs, ah....that would've been so so sweet.
I agree. KD also closes games way better. Unless LeBron is going downhill, he really can't create on an elite level. He's resorted to shooting 30 foot jump shots in key moments.
@@flyupthere Lebron would be swept in the first round of the playoffs in the west because its not the east where he can win a certain amount of games to face a slightly weaker or average team.
Easy to pad stat if you are a good offensive player. Lebron padding the stats definitely. KD would easily average 35 if he wanted to without caring about the team's chemistry.
He doesnt play both ends every night he hasnt been the best player for awhile it obvious but people didnt want to admit it when jordan was getting older and the same is happin with lbj.
Easy to score 35 if all you have to do is score. Can KD handle the ball like Bron? Assist like Bron?? Assists are part of offense too not just scoring. KD came to warriors knowing he only has 1 job, put the ball in the basket. We seen him losing without curry and we seen him losing all those years on OKC. he wants to be "the man" but he ain't. Hes one of the greatest scorers ever but thats it
@@Indifference2000 Losing all them years in OKC? Wtf are talking about? He does everything besides pass and rebound the ball better than LeBron. Kd, Giannas and AD are all better.
Using stats with Lebron is very misleading. If somebody gives you 50 points but their defense is so bad it gives the opponents points, then you have to look at the whole picture. The problem is that there is no stat or no objective way to determine exactly how many points Lebron is actually giving up on he defensive end but trust me, it is a lot. So when these dudes keep talking about the numbers Lebron is still putting up, if you play terrible defense it negates some of that.
There are plenty of stats. Opponent points allowed, opponent fg%, defensive win shares that calculate individual defense. Bron is stinking it up. Im a fan too
@@bigkam87 The opponent points allowed and fg% is reflective of the entire team's lack of defense. I am saying there is no way to definitely know how much points Lebron is costing us or allowing to be scored against us. Defensive win shares doesn't really tell us that.
Curry is first. He changed the game, most recent back to back mvps and the second best player came to him. Just because he can’t dunk doesn’t mean he can’t be face of NBA.
Make me some freethrows, stop turning the ball over, play some defense, stop ignoring your coach and teammates, be a better leader. STOP CHASING MJ, TRYING TO PAD STATS. stop telling people that you're the 🐐!
No I would not say that because he has defended Kobe several times and argued he would take Kobe over LBJ. Now he does however become a prisoner of the moment. KD right now if the best player in the NBA.
When u don't play defense, even when u average 27-9-8, but u give up more than 30pts with ur non existent defense, now we on a deficit..this just goes to prove how LeBum has tried to play d system..cause when u pull up his stats, u say wow..but where's d stats about d points they scoring on LeBum? Cause he's a bystander on D
No he's not. People still blinded by what he did in the weak east with superior talent (Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love). Came to the West and it's different now. And before someone brings up "they were 4th seed before the injury", they had an easy schedule. The West is just a different animal now. Can't be called the best and play no defense.
Yes they were the 4th seed before he got hurt but the schedule wasn’t the reason. Last game he played the Lakers were spanking the warriors lead by lebron who was on pace for a 30 point triple double. If he didn’t get hurt the lakers would be the 6th seed at worse how don’t people know this
@@danielbarhorst4494 dude, they beat a few good teams, but still doesn't take from the fact they still had an overall easy schedule. Injuries came, but I cant use that excuse because 1. James Harden had good players hurt and still took off and 2. They picked on Kobe for the same thing happening to him when he missed the playoffs in his prime. They would not be 6th seed even if he doesn't get hurt. Bron just not the guy the media forcefully tries to make him out to be. Funny stat, without Zo they're 4-9 and 2-5 since Bron has come back. And Ingram and Kuz have been playing great too during that time.
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You seem very intelligent and knowledgeable about Basketball. Do you believe your James Harden comparison is logical?
When you are the best player in the NBA you are held to the standard of playing at a high level on both ends of the court and leading your team to success and rn lebron is not living up to that standard, so I would have to say he's not the best rn.
All this season proves is how weak the East is. Those who will say they were 4th at one time forget that they were 2 games away from 10th and the Clippers and Grizzlies were also top 2 during the early stretch.
They don't get it..LeBron has already made his exit excuse 4weeks ago..when he said he has nothing to prove anymore he's mentally gone and he knows it once that injury took place he came to himself that there was no way he can catch MJ as far as the amount of NBA titles... period...
@@chrishuber8930 Middleton is NOT a superstar. Media acts like that so they overpay him hoping Milwaukee wont be able to win in Milwaukee cuz they overpaid Middleton! League wants Gianni's on big Market team. Mids good NOT super though
No the 73 win team were exhausted after playing 7 games against OKC & then 7 against Cleveland. They were still missing some toughness because GS were soft but adding KD & Cousins makes them mean and i still believe Melo might join them.
The best all around player in the game right now is Giannis by far. Great offense, elite defense and good passer. And Lebron is only in the GOAT conversation for 20% of the fans. Jordan is the GOAT to 80% of the fans.
KD is a better all around player then curry but curry is still better. Plain and simple. Durant had mvps by his side most of his career and count get it done. Russel and curry play the same position. Curry makes people better. When CURRY ISNT on the court, Durant and GS don’t win. Curry is better. You get less credit for switching teams, and then switching to a team that beat you the year prior .. Durant isn’t better then curry.
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@@raymondrojo1627 He lost 6 of those finals to that's how. Plus KD plays defense, will break probably every scoring record and definitely is probably the most feared person in the league to guard. Forget about stats for a second because they are all fabricated in today's NBA. My eyes have seen them both play and IMO KD is better by what I've seen.
Brother do you know who Jerry West is name me some of the players have been to 8 straight finals okay he'll off you can't win every time not everybody's Jordan brother
So if one player can still find a way to shine on the court with any system and the other player has to make teams adapt to him which takes away the strength of the other players who is actually better then??🤔
"I'm not going to let Kevin Durant going to the Warriors cloud my vision on whos the best player" but somehow the media let LeBron running to Miami cloud their vision.. Kobe was the best until his achilles snapped.. real hoopers know the truth
So a team that somehow got 3 number 1 picks in the 4 years LeBron James was gone "was rated the best in the NBA when LeBron went back"?? Stop whatever you doing and actually think before you make yourself look stupid again.
When you are the best player in the NBA you are held to the standard of playing at a High level on both ends of the court and leading your team to success and rn lebron is not living up to that standard, so I would have to say he's not the best rn.
Throw out the stats because Lebrons assists and rebounds don’t impact the game much. He also pads his fg percentage too. You watch the game and Durant, pg13, Giannis are all better
Remember, before this season the lebronites said he was gonna win the MVP. He will play enough games to qualify. 🤔. And there’s only player in the league with Lebrons statistical resume still in his prime: KD.
Black Viking dude no he wouldn't nobody even knew who he was(of course we knew him) but nobody on this earth knew what was coming you sound stupid because if that was the case he would have been doing it then the conference doesn't change anything except how you travel just how you lose in the West the same way you can lose in the east
Take KD and Harden off the list. The day KD is asked to do as much as Bron, then we can compare. Harden takes plays off on defense, yet folk criticize Bron?? The only player better is Greek Freak, period.
Is Zion the best college player? I mean he went to Duke. Thats the equivalent of the KD statement Of Golden State but this Season the best player is the Greek Freak. The man can't shoot a 3 but yet he still up there at the top and he has his team the best in the league.
How about when it matters most like Game 3 of the 2018 Finals!? KD carried the entire squad when no one but him could hit a shot. Plus, he made all the game defining shots in the highest leverage moments.
@MVP, Mabye watch the games before you voice your opinion. When KD scores 40+ it's often when Steph and Klay is off and he's trying to bail them out since they both are cold. When Steph scores 40+ watch how often KD is there right with him with atleast 25 points with good efficiency.
All these dude finally start talking the truth after seen how mad fans have been at them constantly defending lebron...constantly putting down other greats just to elevate lebron. Kd is better.. GA is better..even Westbrook is better #Kobe&MJ#Goats
Giannis is riiigghhttt there but I think KDs a tiny bit ahead, shooting and clutch. Next year or in playoffs this year Giannis will pass him. Imo. Giannis is by far my favorite, he hasn't stopped getting better every year, including this year. Tenacious, relentless, huge heart, desire to be the best, low ego, loyal, and the hardest worker in any arena! Also great handles, and passing.
Since when does a king not rule???? This man was a reigning champion 3 times in 16 years lmao. KD carried Golden State in the finals. KD carried OKC to the finals. KD aint never struggled like Lebron is now in his whole career. So how can you say he would with that team. He carried OKC without Westbrook when he won MVP. Stop IT get these guys off tv now. They are fans not analyst
He didnt carry golden state. He played his part but steph was right there too. If kd was that impactful, he wouldve carried okc vs the warriors up 3-1. Yall give him way too much credit
Designz R Us lmaaaaooo Where was Steph in game 3 last year when KD was trying to give him MVP lol. We not gone talk about the first year let along before KD came. Steph didn’t lead them to the 1 they got. The difference in the finals is KD. Them jump shooters ain’t hitting in the finals.
@@desomusicinc dude you talking about one game. Well where was kd game 1 when bron dropped 50? Curry was the one who came up clutch. Where was kd when curry dropped 30 on his neck and closed out in game 7 ?
Designz R Us lol Yeah only the most important game of the series in Cleveland both years. That’s where greats make there name in moments not stats lol. If Lebron was great he would’ve ended the game in regulation with 51 instead of PASSING the ball and the blame as usual. Holla at me when Lebron takes on a challenge.
He’s right. He quit on the team. He undermined the coach from the beginning of the season and he destroyed any team chemistry when he tried to force a trade for AD.
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from monte carlo bro, he won this debate. he answer everything jimmy was trying to say hahah he is right about KD, .. lebrons carrying the Lakers and averaging 27. KD is sharing the ball with 3 other elite scorers and still averaging 27.
At this point they living on the past, Lebron is not the best player in the league anymore I got Kevin Durant and Giannis as the top 2 players on the court.
Steph is the best player in the NBA, everybody wanna gloss over the fact KD had to join him to win. Nobody thought of Draymond & Klay as all stars in 2015 because they werent, its because of Curry why they started getting the nods and looks. Without Steph, they arent gonna be considered HOF players.
Umm didn't the ask kd to join them... draymond was recruiting him the whole year and the Hampton five went to convince him to join them! Stop changing the narrative
un sabah nur if thats the case Lebron doesnt need any other star to help him but he always has 2 by his side to win right? So Lebron should not have needed AD to win right now? He shouldn’t be openly talking about recruiting players to play with him in LA because it was hard to get ppl to want to come to Cleveland? All that proves is how much better Steph is, great players want to win with him, dont nobody wanna help Lebron lol.
thats why lebron was running from him like he had ebola last finals! Because he was having flashbacks from the year before when KD pulled up and won the game in Bronnies eye! Youre right, nowhere near the top! Hes beyond the top! HA! LeBron WASHED!
Pan Afrikanism Strikes Back!!! Unoqbile I don’t know why people sleep on that man. He’ll shut you down and put up 25 plus on you. I guess defense don’t matter anymore.
I'm glad someone on TV finally said it "KYRIE CARRIED L3-6RON IN THE CAVS" because I have been saying this since 2016.. L3-6ron has NEVER carried a team.. he's always had teammates with ACTUAL talent because L3-6ron doesn't have it in him to carry a team. He does flashy layups whenever the team is doing good.. but he also rolls up in a ball and quits when the team is doing poorly.. When his teammates carry him, he makes sure his presence is known by scoring in the last minutes to make it seem like it was all him... but notice when the team loses, he takes less shots and what not and instead, passes the ball. KYRIE CARRIED L3-6RON TO THE CHIP, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
How is Lebron going to be better being a year older next year? There's no guarantee that he won't be injured again next season. The best player in the league today is KD. He has proved that 2X against Lebron
Why is this ALWAYS a topic? Just 4 months ago, everybody was talking about how LeBron hasn't slowed down a bit and is the GOAT.. Then after an injury and a couple loses.. Oh No the sky is falling, "Has LeBron lost it?".. "Has time caught up with him?".. Watch next game he gets a triple double.. "Wow LeBron still has it, he's amazing.".. It never changes with these shows.
Why Kevin Duran? Why do we overlook harden! Better passer can score as good as him if not better ! Defense b- but no bad ! And what about gianis are you kidding me ! Gianis is better than Duran at every category !! Only bad no a good shooter!
This whole lakers stint has seriously tarnished Lebrons GOAT conversation.. I would say this lakers stint has dropped him below Kobe in the GOAT conversation.. and has truely made MJ untouchable in that convo.
Lakers were in 4th place in the Western Conference before Lebron got hurt, he comes back from injury and they are in 11th place. It’s not that hard guys, the media just needs something to talk about 🙄
KD is a great player but I’ve never seen him carry a team. When Westbrook got injured Kd couldn’t get them in the playoffs. Steph Curry gets injured and the warriors were 5-6 with KD. He has never carried a team
whattttttttttttttttttt haha see. omg kd put okc in playoff and wcf without West and ibaka both injured and im lakers fan from monte carlo ahahahahahahh
Do we really think the lakers are losing all those games if Lebron doesn’t get hurt? Especially after beating GSW on Christmas and building that momentum?
LeBron's Cleveland team was actually pretty good. Kyrie. Love. Tristan and quality depth shump rich Jefferson Delly mozgov Channing frue James Jones looking back this was a good all around deep roster with vets and gamers. By far best supporting roster in East. This team love played hard that cast is underrated by most.
Finally someone sees that kd has been the best in the league for 2 years maybe 3 now. It doesnt matter the team in fact having other all stars takes from your scoring opportunities. Kd def is way more clutch then lebron has ever been. Kd hits and isn't afraid to take the biggest shots
Sorry Jim. KD would have carried that OKC team, if Russ didnt keep throwing up bricks, but just passed it to KD. At the time, Harden was coming off the bench, so it would have been him carrying them to a Championship. They were up 3-1
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I hate people keep saying “oh they were the 4 seed before Lebron got injured”. Bruh they were 3 games out of the 10th spot. Not like they were playing great at that point
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Kobe averaged 27.3 pts, 5.6 trb, 6.0 assist, on 46% shooting in year 17 and got the team to the playoffs. No excuses LBJ.
So all of sudden we are going to forget KD was with OKC for 8 years and didn’t even go to the finals until he went to a team that beat him the year before.
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I guess Jim Jackson didn't watch KD in OKC with just Westbrook fighting the Warriors those years. Lebron got to 8 finals in a row in the East, but who was the best team he beat getting there? Would any team in the East that wasn't Lebron's have been given a chance to win the title?
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Is LeBron still the best player in the NBA?
Speak For Yourself For since 2012 when OKC lost in the finals and KD still set a playoff efficiency record and averaged 30 ppg. And KD has been undermined by the leadership thing right, but he was undermined by the performance of JAMES HARDEN. KEVIN DURANT WILL BUST ANY AND EVERYBODY UP ALL DAY LONG. And they all know this #TheyKnow #ShortyLow
No yall let stats speak as if he dont lose when it actually matters.
NOPE!!!
Naw not anymore not this year version
Giannis
Marcellus speakin the truth
Owen Cline Marcellus going to get fired lol going against Lebum
27-9-8 with no D, multiple turn overs, and horrible free throw percentage. His stat line would be cut in half if he remotely tried to play play some competant D
Stop the drugs
Not half but the numbers would drop.. prolly 24/7/5 which is respectable for a 35 year old
KD is better than Lebron. People had no problem saying Lebron was better than Kobe he when went to Miami with Wade and Bosh.
Thank God. Someone with a brain. Been saying this lol.
But Miami was never a 73 10 team
But he had Gasol, Odom and Fisher was still playing. If you want a good example of what Bron is facing right now put Kobe missing the playoffs during his prime (even though Bron is no longer in his), he was injured and when he returned it was too late unfortunately
No one had that problem because it was the truth. KD can never be doubled on the warriors, just think about it. Prime LeBron every time he drove 3 people would collapse on him. On prime KD you can’t double cause you have Steph and Klay by his side. KD hasn’t proved anything, any top 10 player would win on that team.
wrong
What do Lebron and Tom Brady have in common?
They both play offense and no DEFENSE
Why is Tom Brady included in this??
Nothing
If he had Phil Jackson he’ll have 8 ships
RealNewsBish 1Milli he didn’t want to play for a coach he couldn’t control
Ahh but the 6 rings and positive die hard Tom Brady fans and love the memes they give him 😂
What is it with this workload stuff? This is how he plays. He wants the ball and he wants everything to go through him. If he learned to play in a regular offensive system, he would not have to carry this large load. He plays the LeBron system. That is why he is 3-6 in the finals. That is why he can't play defense now. Its too much for one player. Should have gone to college and learned to play basketball the right way. Hint Hint KD said it best. Share the ball. Move your feet on defense. Help your teammates. This is still a team sport.
#michael wansley: I couldn't agree more. LeBron needed to be taught and shown the correct way to play and perhaps a year or two of college would have helped in that regard. Then again, the majority of the early 1st round draft picks are one and done (unless they are from an European Professional Basketball league) and have at least one year of Next level basketball structure. If LeBron were on the Warriors he couldn't play the way he's accustomed. He would learn how to play the Warrior way which is the correct way of playing the game of basketball.
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Haaaaaaaaa michael wansley , I don't know why Michael Wansley , you are so uneducated . Only your argument base on ignorance . KD is Better than LeBron James ? Haaaaaa this is a joke of the year .
@@mugwegwe uneducated?? I think you need to read it again. No where on this post does it say one player is better than another. Only on your reply. KD SAID IT BEST "PLAY THE RIGHT WAY". SHARE THE BALL"
Amen👍
Oh and Harden lost CP3, Eric Gordon, and Capella for ALOT of games this year but nobody makes excuses for him 🤔
Hey dont let the media see this lol
Becuase Harden hasn't won anything he hasn't DESERVED to get passes... Win when it MATTERS to start getting the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT
LeBron missed an entire month and half of week lol. When Curry got injured and the Warriors kept losing games nobody blamed Curry and when he went 1-13 and people say ‘he came from an injury’. Granted LeBron has played god awful but it’s not fair to say such thing lol
Because double standards. That's why
Harden is worst than lebron.... its easy if refs give u 20 ft and lets u travel at will
Lebron would have 0 rings in the West!
As a Lakers fan, he will have none in the west. Beginning of the end.
I'm so glad he went to the west. Finally exposing him. Playing 4x west teams every year, harder rounds in the playoffs = maybe 1 championship MAX he would have right now, had he played in the West his whole career. On top of Kobe shitting on him in the playoffs, ah....that would've been so so sweet.
depends on the franchise, Kobe was playing in the Lakers not Phoenix. The organization and the team they put around matters a lot
He beat 3 west teams in a best of 7 series to win 3 championship
Amen!
KD, PG would make the Lakers better. Stop the nonsense.
Lebron play no defense
Only excel in the Lebron's system
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I agree. KD also closes games way better. Unless LeBron is going downhill, he really can't create on an elite level. He's resorted to shooting 30 foot jump shots in key moments.
Pg couldn't make the Pacers better and kd is a side chick to the warriors
@@flyupthere Lebron would be swept in the first round of the playoffs in the west because its not the east where he can win a certain amount of games to face a slightly weaker or average team.
When Lebron get his mind locked, he just destroys everything
Phronesis Olamide trade him forAD
KD is coasting! He is playing unselfishly as well..LBJ is done for now
Kd is playing alongside who?
KD will only have one ring and he had tons of talent around him
Easy to pad stat if you are a good offensive player.
Lebron padding the stats definitely.
KD would easily average 35 if he wanted to without caring about the team's chemistry.
Name one player better than klay or curry other than bron ill wait
On the laker squad
He doesnt play both ends every night he hasnt been the best player for awhile it obvious but people didnt want to admit it when jordan was getting older and the same is happin with lbj.
Easy to score 35 if all you have to do is score. Can KD handle the ball like Bron? Assist like Bron?? Assists are part of offense too not just scoring. KD came to warriors knowing he only has 1 job, put the ball in the basket. We seen him losing without curry and we seen him losing all those years on OKC. he wants to be "the man" but he ain't. Hes one of the greatest scorers ever but thats it
@@Indifference2000 Losing all them years in OKC? Wtf are talking about? He does everything besides pass and rebound the ball better than LeBron. Kd, Giannas and AD are all better.
Using stats with Lebron is very misleading. If somebody gives you 50 points but their defense is so bad it gives the opponents points, then you have to look at the whole picture. The problem is that there is no stat or no objective way to determine exactly how many points Lebron is actually giving up on he defensive end but trust me, it is a lot. So when these dudes keep talking about the numbers Lebron is still putting up, if you play terrible defense it negates some of that.
There are plenty of stats. Opponent points allowed, opponent fg%, defensive win shares that calculate individual defense. Bron is stinking it up. Im a fan too
@@bigkam87 The opponent points allowed and fg% is reflective of the entire team's lack of defense. I am saying there is no way to definitely know how much points Lebron is costing us or allowing to be scored against us. Defensive win shares doesn't really tell us that.
@@wilsonsmanz they can and have broken it down to the individual player. So" when guarded by LBJ opponents are shooting blah"
Well put
He ranks 297th and 330th in 2 of the most important individual analytic defensive stats
Lebron is NOT the best player right now. These guys just don’t wanna say it on camera. He isn’t. He hasn’t been for quite some time. Period!
Awww you sound upset
Beautiful Queen, atleast your telling the truth. These guys refuse to get off the Lebron gravy train. But they are quick to drink the Kobe haterade
Not quite some time momie just this season after the enjory. He's not 100 % he aint trying to agrevate the enjory.
Quite some time ? Did you see the playoffs last year?
Marcellus just said it
Kd, Giannias, khawi, Steph, LeBron, Paul George, harden Ad
Branden Brooks and Luka
Pg ahead of LBJ too
As lakers fan, Marcel won the debate about KD
Even westbrook
Curry is first. He changed the game, most recent back to back mvps and the second best player came to him. Just because he can’t dunk doesn’t mean he can’t be face of NBA.
Jim Jackson another Lebron Tip rider and Apologist
Make me some freethrows, stop turning the ball over, play some defense, stop ignoring your coach and teammates, be a better leader. STOP CHASING MJ, TRYING TO PAD STATS. stop telling people that you're the 🐐!
Dont forget this brother Chris Haynes.
No I would not say that because he has defended Kobe several times and argued he would take Kobe over LBJ. Now he does however become a prisoner of the moment. KD right now if the best player in the NBA.
When u don't play defense, even when u average 27-9-8, but u give up more than 30pts with ur non existent defense, now we on a deficit..this just goes to prove how LeBum has tried to play d system..cause when u pull up his stats, u say wow..but where's d stats about d points they scoring on LeBum? Cause he's a bystander on D
giving up 30 pts but assists translate to points so, he accounts for 40+ points.
No he's not. People still blinded by what he did in the weak east with superior talent (Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love). Came to the West and it's different now. And before someone brings up "they were 4th seed before the injury", they had an easy schedule. The West is just a different animal now. Can't be called the best and play no defense.
You mean the East that had, D.Rose, and Rick Hamilton, Ben Wallace Chauncey Billups, Joe Johnson and D.Wade and Bosh, D.Howard
Yes they were the 4th seed before he got hurt but the schedule wasn’t the reason. Last game he played the Lakers were spanking the warriors lead by lebron who was on pace for a 30 point triple double. If he didn’t get hurt the lakers would be the 6th seed at worse how don’t people know this
@@danielbarhorst4494 facts
@@danielbarhorst4494 dude, they beat a few good teams, but still doesn't take from the fact they still had an overall easy schedule. Injuries came, but I cant use that excuse because 1. James Harden had good players hurt and still took off and 2. They picked on Kobe for the same thing happening to him when he missed the playoffs in his prime. They would not be 6th seed even if he doesn't get hurt. Bron just not the guy the media forcefully tries to make him out to be. Funny stat, without Zo they're 4-9 and 2-5 since Bron has come back. And Ingram and Kuz have been playing great too during that time.
You seem very intelligent and knowledgeable about Basketball.
Do you believe your James Harden comparison is logical?
Every show should be without moderator like this one.
Did lebron joining wade and bosh make the game easier? Did joining Love and Kyrie make the game easier?
Yes. If u dont understand that I can guarantee u u haven't played basketball after age 14
Lebron is not the best player! KD is!
Great segment! Marcellus was impressive; he went off. Jim Jackson had really solid points as well.
When you are the best player in the NBA you are held to the standard of playing at a high level on both ends of the court and leading your team to success and rn lebron is not living up to that standard, so I would have to say he's not the best rn.
All this season proves is how weak the East is.
Those who will say they were 4th at one time forget that they were 2 games away from 10th and the Clippers and Grizzlies were also top 2 during the early stretch.
East was...
Trey D
Still is.
Did Witlock just call someone lazy?
They don't get it..LeBron has already made his exit excuse 4weeks ago..when he said he has nothing to prove anymore he's mentally gone and he knows it once that injury took place he came to himself that there was no way he can catch MJ as far as the amount of NBA titles... period...
Did yall see Giannis leap over lebron and take a rebound and then goes right back up and dunked straight on lebron
yeah that was great, whats he won?
@@scottwallace1098 he won rhe best player award...i dont see a bunch of superstars around Giannis but he has best record in the league
@@abbott360 the bucks are the second best deep in the League. There are two superstars
@@chrishuber8930 What?? If the Bucks have two then then the lakers have 3
@@chrishuber8930 Middleton is NOT a superstar. Media acts like that so they overpay him hoping Milwaukee wont be able to win in Milwaukee cuz they overpaid Middleton! League wants Gianni's on big Market team. Mids good NOT super though
The passion Wiley has when hating on Lebron is something special.
That 73 win team played beyond expectations. Stop giving them this big praise. Lebron had the better team.
No the 73 win team were exhausted after playing 7 games against OKC & then 7 against Cleveland. They were still missing some toughness because GS were soft but adding KD & Cousins makes them mean and i still believe Melo might join them.
Facts
You either 16, an idiot, or a 16 year old idiot. You clearly dont know basketball. And playing 2k in ya grandma's basement does not count.
Facts, on PAPER I’m taking that Cavs team no doubt. Love, Kyrie, Bron. Or Klay, Steph, Draymond.
Yo faaaccttsss they don wanna face it tho !
The best all around player in the game right now is Giannis by far. Great offense, elite defense and good passer. And Lebron is only in the GOAT conversation for 20% of the fans. Jordan is the GOAT to 80% of the fans.
That 80-20 survey? Share the link bro, show us your accurate knowledge
KD A MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN LEBUM !!!!!
Not a million, just these last 2 years out of 10
.....KD without curry this season was losing ....ON GOLDEN STATE!!! Let that sink in.
@@timjacobs2487 I don't know what you been watching u need to get your TV fix bro
@@steventurner1980 Your memory is off. Warriors were losing games when Steph was hurt. That's with KD, Dray, and Klay.
KD is a better all around player then curry but curry is still better. Plain and simple. Durant had mvps by his side most of his career and count get it done. Russel and curry play the same position. Curry makes people better.
When CURRY ISNT on the court, Durant and GS don’t win. Curry is better. You get less credit for switching teams, and then switching to a team that beat you the year prior .. Durant isn’t better then curry.
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KD is better, no more excuses for LeBron. Marcellus is right.
How and why who that person thats has been to 8 straight FINALS not kd not no 1. First one to become top ten in scoring and assist
@@raymondrojo1627 He lost 6 of those finals to that's how. Plus KD plays defense, will break probably every scoring record and definitely is probably the most feared person in the league to guard. Forget about stats for a second because they are all fabricated in today's NBA. My eyes have seen them both play and IMO KD is better by what I've seen.
Brother do you know who Jerry West is name me some of the players have been to 8 straight finals okay he'll off you can't win every time not everybody's Jordan brother
3:00 "no more interviews for you" lmao! Soo true!
Whitlock !! We gonna get you in the gym .. you got the size , in 2 years we’ll get you looking like Jim Jackson 😂😂
So if one player can still find a way to shine on the court with any system and the other player has to make teams adapt to him which takes away the strength of the other players who is actually better then??🤔
Lebron the goat? HAHAHA!!!😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 Kobe and Mike Holden their stomach's laughing!!!
"I'm not going to let Kevin Durant going to the Warriors cloud my vision on whos the best player" but somehow the media let LeBron running to Miami cloud their vision.. Kobe was the best until his achilles snapped.. real hoopers know the truth
People forget that the Cavs roster was rated the best in the NBA when Lebron went back. Stop all these excuses.
Huh I'm a Real Cavs fan and when he came back we only had Kyrie Zzzzzzz we had the top pick that year draft we traded to get that roster
So a team that somehow got 3 number 1 picks in the 4 years LeBron James was gone "was rated the best in the NBA when LeBron went back"?? Stop whatever you doing and actually think before you make yourself look stupid again.
When you are the best player in the NBA you are held to the standard of playing at a High level on both ends of the court and leading your team to success and rn lebron is not living up to that standard, so I would have to say he's not the best rn.
Exactly
Why didn't Luke Walton explore going to half court traps and a zone to help LeBron
Throw out the stats because Lebrons assists and rebounds don’t impact the game much. He also pads his fg percentage too. You watch the game and Durant, pg13, Giannis are all better
Key thing is LBJ needs his own system and without it, he can't win...
Remember, before this season the lebronites said he was gonna win the MVP. He will play enough games to qualify. 🤔.
And there’s only player in the league with Lebrons statistical resume still in his prime: KD.
Now the apologists are gonna say he’s too old. Early in the season he was supposed to get the MVP., now he’s too old?
Lebron is bowser. KD like Luigi on his last life small mode
" Plese Coach, you watch next week" Classic
If steph was in the east like LeBron was he would have won a championship in his rookie season
NO
Anthony 2b Channel 12 yet Warriors without Steph was losing while KD and Draymond was bitching because they were losing.
Steph still needs a team around him. He's not carrying a team like Lebron.
Black Viking dude no he wouldn't nobody even knew who he was(of course we knew him) but nobody on this earth knew what was coming you sound stupid because if that was the case he would have been doing it then the conference doesn't change anything except how you travel just how you lose in the West the same way you can lose in the east
😂😂
Wiley is ballin with funny in this segment. Lol. 🤣😂
Take your pick KD, Harden or Giannis they are all better than LBJ in 2019.
Take KD and Harden off the list. The day KD is asked to do as much as Bron, then we can compare.
Harden takes plays off on defense, yet folk criticize Bron??
The only player better is Greek Freak, period.
Not Harden, but I agree with the rest!
Curry is better than all of them.
So Lebron is more powerful than 'Father Time'???? Some people are just too much in love with Lebron to the point they lose in touch with reality.
Is Zion the best college player? I mean he went to Duke. Thats the equivalent of the KD statement Of Golden State but this Season the best player is the Greek Freak. The man can't shoot a 3 but yet he still up there at the top and he has his team the best in the league.
We've seen KD on GSW without Steph (but with everyone else)and they struggle yet guys are saying the Lakers would be better with KD!!! Smh
u mean in finals? yeah right. what is KD record in finals with warriors?
KD drop 40 Warriors lose, Steph drop 40 its an automatic dub by 10+.
That's probably not KD fault
How about when it matters most like Game 3 of the 2018 Finals!? KD carried the entire squad when no one but him could hit a shot. Plus, he made all the game defining shots in the highest leverage moments.
That's not true. KD drop 40 in a two game stretch and they win both without Steph
@MVP, Mabye watch the games before you voice your opinion. When KD scores 40+ it's often when Steph and Klay is off and he's trying to bail them out since they both are cold. When Steph scores 40+ watch how often KD is there right with him with atleast 25 points with good efficiency.
This panel is better then the other one
He ain't my king.#GODIS KING
All these dude finally start talking the truth after seen how mad fans have been at them constantly defending lebron...constantly putting down other greats just to elevate lebron. Kd is better.. GA is better..even Westbrook is better
#Kobe&MJ#Goats
The best player right now is Giannis.
He can't shoot. That matters playoff time.
Nah kd is the best player. And I don’t even wanna hear about him on the warriors.
Giannis is riiigghhttt there but I think KDs a tiny bit ahead, shooting and clutch. Next year or in playoffs this year Giannis will pass him. Imo. Giannis is by far my favorite, he hasn't stopped getting better every year, including this year. Tenacious, relentless, huge heart, desire to be the best, low ego, loyal, and the hardest worker in any arena! Also great handles, and passing.
Show me in the playoffs. It’s up for the taking
No Kd.
When did Marcellus Wiley become Grimace from McDonald’s?
Since when does a king not rule???? This man was a reigning champion 3 times in 16 years lmao. KD carried Golden State in the finals. KD carried OKC to the finals. KD aint never struggled like Lebron is now in his whole career. So how can you say he would with that team. He carried OKC without Westbrook when he won MVP. Stop IT get these guys off tv now. They are fans not analyst
He didnt carry golden state. He played his part but steph was right there too. If kd was that impactful, he wouldve carried okc vs the warriors up 3-1. Yall give him way too much credit
Designz R Us lmaaaaooo Where was Steph in game 3 last year when KD was trying to give him MVP lol. We not gone talk about the first year let along before KD came. Steph didn’t lead them to the 1 they got. The difference in the finals is KD. Them jump shooters ain’t hitting in the finals.
@@desomusicinc dude you talking about one game. Well where was kd game 1 when bron dropped 50? Curry was the one who came up clutch. Where was kd when curry dropped 30 on his neck and closed out in game 7 ?
Str8 facts man.
Designz R Us lol Yeah only the most important game of the series in Cleveland both years. That’s where greats make there name in moments not stats lol. If Lebron was great he would’ve ended the game in regulation with 51 instead of PASSING the ball and the blame as usual. Holla at me when Lebron takes on a challenge.
Whitlock called Lebron lazy.
Think about that for a second...
He’s right. He quit on the team. He undermined the coach from the beginning of the season and he destroyed any team chemistry when he tried to force a trade for AD.
Lebron has never been the best player in the NBA
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@@bighomey4343 I bet u think lebron is all time better than bird too... that's Larry bird incase u didnt know
🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ dude ...
FACTS!!!
Ikr... My cousin is better than Lebrick James
Hey SFY, Whitlock is the reason why SFY has gotten so much success. He isn’t politically correct and tells it as it is. Smart guy and good energy. I watch this show more then any other sports show!
I swear everyone disrespects Giannis... CLEARLY he's the best player in the NBA...
I know it makes me angry now 😡
He will be when he goes deep into the playoffs.
Giannis IS NOT better than Durant ... Durant is far more skilled and a better overall player ... Giannis is coming but is a few years away.
@@obama4hire more skilled does not make you better... Steph Curry is more skilled than Magic Johnson... But is he better than Magic?
He ain't Durant
Macus Wiley just gained a new fan, today! Str8 FACTS!!!💯💯💯
from monte carlo bro, he won this debate. he answer everything jimmy was trying to say hahah he is right about KD, .. lebrons carrying the Lakers and averaging 27. KD is sharing the ball with 3 other elite scorers and still averaging 27.
At this point they living on the past, Lebron is not the best player in the league anymore I got Kevin Durant and Giannis as the top 2 players on the court.
Christian Banks 💯
Watch next week!
Steph is the best player in the NBA, everybody wanna gloss over the fact KD had to join him to win. Nobody thought of Draymond & Klay as all stars in 2015 because they werent, its because of Curry why they started getting the nods and looks. Without Steph, they arent gonna be considered HOF players.
Umm didn't the ask kd to join them... draymond was recruiting him the whole year and the Hampton five went to convince him to join them! Stop changing the narrative
un sabah nur if thats the case Lebron doesnt need any other star to help him but he always has 2 by his side to win right? So Lebron should not have needed AD to win right now? He shouldn’t be openly talking about recruiting players to play with him in LA because it was hard to get ppl to want to come to Cleveland?
All that proves is how much better Steph is, great players want to win with him, dont nobody wanna help Lebron lol.
@@unsabahnur385 Draymond called him in the parking lot after game 7 when Bron & Kyrie dropped the hammer on them 3-1.
@@fmvp6892 the greatness is why if Steph was so great other players would feel the same way
Np 22 they do thats why the 2nd best player left Russel so he could win with a winner.
Lebron I can’t get it done James!!
How do you put Durant up there , when he doesn’t have to play 40 mins .. he doesn’t have to do it all ... u can’t put him anywhere near the best
Glad someone understands.
Stop chasing MJ, and stop stat padding, you would be a better player!!!
seasonpride1981 delusional...
Timothy Jacobs another delusional
thats why lebron was running from him like he had ebola last finals! Because he was having flashbacks from the year before when KD pulled up and won the game in Bronnies eye! Youre right, nowhere near the top! Hes beyond the top! HA! LeBron WASHED!
Best all around player in the NBA is Kawhi Leonard!
Pan Afrikanism Strikes Back!!! Unoqbile I don’t know why people sleep on that man. He’ll shut you down and put up 25 plus on you. I guess defense don’t matter anymore.
I'm glad someone on TV finally said it "KYRIE CARRIED L3-6RON IN THE CAVS" because I have been saying this since 2016.. L3-6ron has NEVER carried a team.. he's always had teammates with ACTUAL talent because L3-6ron doesn't have it in him to carry a team. He does flashy layups whenever the team is doing good.. but he also rolls up in a ball and quits when the team is doing poorly.. When his teammates carry him, he makes sure his presence is known by scoring in the last minutes to make it seem like it was all him... but notice when the team loses, he takes less shots and what not and instead, passes the ball. KYRIE CARRIED L3-6RON TO THE CHIP, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
Durant joined the 73 win championship team but he’s better? Lmfao cut that out
Dose that discredit his skills?
73_9 wtf soo if kd wasn't there they would be champs now?
lol and they lost to the cavaliers, so what's your point?
When u gotta carry Curry, Klay and Draymond to a chip? Yes he's d best player in d world..
Dimanche junior Ewere lmao he carried 3 all stars how you sound lmao hes be ringless if he never joined up with them
LeBron is being exposed. He's not too old to play defense. He's not trying.
How is Lebron going to be better being a year older next year? There's no guarantee that he won't be injured again next season. The best player in the league today is KD. He has proved that 2X against Lebron
Excuses excuses excuses excuses excuses excuses excuses excuses excuses excuses excuses excuses For LeBron James I'M SICK OF IT GUYS.
Why is this ALWAYS a topic? Just 4 months ago, everybody was talking about how LeBron hasn't slowed down a bit and is the GOAT.. Then after an injury and a couple loses.. Oh No the sky is falling, "Has LeBron lost it?".. "Has time caught up with him?".. Watch next game he gets a triple double.. "Wow LeBron still has it, he's amazing.".. It never changes with these shows.
"They were in fourth place before LeBron got hurt!!" they gonna hold on to that excuse for the next twenty years 😂
Next year? If I win the lottery I'll be a multi-millionaire: next year. Lol
Jim Jackson Said It Best
It’s Easy To Be The Best When You On A MEGA TEAM
Why Kevin Duran? Why do we overlook harden! Better passer can score as good as him if not better ! Defense b- but no bad ! And what about gianis are you kidding me ! Gianis is better than Duran at every category !! Only bad no a good shooter!
How can he be the best player if he can't defend or make free throws?
This whole lakers stint has seriously tarnished Lebrons GOAT conversation.. I would say this lakers stint has dropped him below Kobe in the GOAT conversation.. and has truely made MJ untouchable in that convo.
Lakers were in 4th place in the Western Conference before Lebron got hurt, he comes back from injury and they are in 11th place. It’s not that hard guys, the media just needs something to talk about 🙄
KD is a great player but I’ve never seen him carry a team. When Westbrook got injured Kd couldn’t get them in the playoffs. Steph Curry gets injured and the warriors were 5-6 with KD. He has never carried a team
whattttttttttttttttttt haha see. omg kd put okc in playoff and wcf without West and ibaka both injured and im lakers fan from monte carlo ahahahahahahh
Do we really think the lakers are losing all those games if Lebron doesn’t get hurt? Especially after beating GSW on Christmas and building that momentum?
LeBron's Cleveland team was actually pretty good. Kyrie. Love. Tristan and quality depth shump rich Jefferson Delly mozgov Channing frue James Jones looking back this was a good all around deep roster with vets and gamers. By far best supporting roster in East. This team love played hard that cast is underrated by most.
Finally someone sees that kd has been the best in the league for 2 years maybe 3 now. It doesnt matter the team in fact having other all stars takes from your scoring opportunities. Kd def is way more clutch then lebron has ever been. Kd hits and isn't afraid to take the biggest shots
Sorry Jim. KD would have carried that OKC team, if Russ didnt keep throwing up bricks, but just passed it to KD. At the time, Harden was coming off the bench, so it would have been him carrying them to a Championship. They were up 3-1
Bron is getting old I work Out & it has taken a toll on my body as I get older.Bron is getting older so he’ll decline
I'm questioning Wiley's education at this point.
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How the player who plays no defense whatsoever can be considered the best player in the world.
How is it that Lebron doesn't have any help. Ingram and Kuz are balling. McGhee is playing on both ends of the court. Sick of the excuses
I hate people keep saying “oh they were the 4 seed before Lebron got injured”. Bruh they were 3 games out of the 10th spot. Not like they were playing great at that point
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Kobe averaged 27.3 pts, 5.6 trb, 6.0 assist, on 46% shooting in year 17 and got the team to the playoffs. No excuses LBJ.
So all of sudden we are going to forget KD was with OKC for 8 years and didn’t even go to the finals until he went to a team that beat him the year before.
I remember when okc had Durant and Westbrook get injured in same series. We didn’t give them the excuse
Shouldn't the threat of missing the playoffs been enough motivation for Lebron this season ?
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I guess Jim Jackson didn't watch KD in OKC with just Westbrook fighting the Warriors those years. Lebron got to 8 finals in a row in the East, but who was the best team he beat getting there? Would any team in the East that wasn't Lebron's have been given a chance to win the title?
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