Agony Intro Theme vs Dimmu Borgir's Sorgens Kammer
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- This is how they compare.
For people who don't know Agony is a computer game on the Amiga, 1992.
Sorgens Kammer is the 4th song on Dimmu Borgir's Stormblåst album, 1996.
I love Dimmu Borgir but Stormblåst has two songs on it that have parts that are 'borrowed' from other songs. Stian Aarstad lifted keyboard/piano parts from various sources and used them with Dimmu Borgir without the other band members knowledge. To name atleast another song other than Sorgens Kammer also checkout the Keyboard/Piano intro to the song Sacred Hour by the UK rock band Magnum. You will find that Alt Lys Er Svunnet Hen by Dimmu Borgir has an intro composition that is very, very similar to Magnum's original song. Anyway you can find videos for them on youtube if you want to compare those. Enjoy the music and make your own judgements, I like Dimmu and Stormblåst (original) is a classic album.
Thanks goes to Tim for letting me keep this up on RUclips! Thanks for commenting and answering some peoples questions about your song, thank you!
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Bloody hell. Ten years ago I posted this video. The years have flew by. ⌚ Metal until I die! 🎸
I remember watching this ten years ago.. just made the come back to it today
wish you good a healthy and happy long life
14 NOW
@@Alex-vu5uu 15 ;) been on RUclips for 17 now. Think almost as long as it existed. No crappy tiktok and all that garbage then
It's 16 years already ;)
I was a Psygnosis fan in the early 90's and "Agony" was one of my favourite game.
When I heard "Sorgens Kammer", in the late 90's, I immediately recognized the plagiarism but I was told I was wrong. Time is a gentleman and I got my little revenge some years later.
Agony's original is actually pretty good!
even though lifted, it still makes stormblast complete
I just can't believe that xisumavoid listens to Dimmu Borgir
he probably didn't even tell his band members that he stole it... :-P I can see them go like "cool tune man.. let's use that!"
Well I like the re-recorded album but it can't compete with the original in atmosphere. Plus even though they are plagiarized I really prefer the original keyboard parts. But both albums are great anyway. It was nice to hear how Dimmu played the songs now in a studio recording.
I really like the 1st albuns, especially stormblast. I have so many good memories of it. It is like the soundtrack of my youth and existence. Even the ripped of piano parts! they dont bother me at all. I would have never known them had it not been for Stian. I also like some tracks on newer albuns. everything is differente and beyond comparisons. People change, music changes, bands change. If they did'nt, the sound of old Stormblast wouldnt be so rare and special to me/us. cheers to all BM fans!
Didn't knew the game till today, but this song made me look for this explanation video haha. Good stuff.
I have a feeling that Magnum and Agony isn't the end of Dimmu Borgir's "inspiration". I'm sure there's more out there we haven't heard.
stian is brillant. the mistake was not recognize the original credits
and the royalties, isnt their music
He isn't brilliant though. He is a hack at best.
I forgot the similarities of those two as I have to listen to the dimmu borgir over than five years! Thank you for publishing them. Btw both musics, kick some serious ass!
I remember playing the game agony 20 years ago, so each time I listen to this "ripped-off song", it takes me on a trip through time...
You know i think you're right. I feel the same, i listened to the remake of Stormblast and now that i have the old one and For All tid, i think it's not half as good as the original. The drummer just smashes his drums to bits and it just didn't touch me like old Stormblast. Stealing music isn't right but you know, in the end i really only cared about the music. Sorgens Kammer drove tears into my eyes, as I thought about a lot of things in life. I thank the composer for the making of this song.
Yeah, I miss Tjodalv being their drummer mainly because he was one of the three original members but also because of that last bit you mentioned about more controlled drums.
I was today years old when I found out one of my all time fav Dimmu Borgir instrumental songs is actually a cover of a video game song!.
I'm going to get the video game soundtrack right now and check the rest of the songs :)
I think the Stian Aarstad plagiarism issue was the main reason to redo Stormblåst. Sorgens Kammer Del II was created by putting four riffs Shagrath and Silenoz wrote in those years together. Also they saw this as an opportunity to release an old song of theirs that has never been released (Avmaktslave).
Tuning on this album is down 1 step, so the songs sound different in some passages they are actually playing thesame riffs.
our, very good intro, really liked it, congratulations :D
Ohh yeah I like the old verson of Stormblast better too, it's got a unique beauty and feel to it.
i loved this song...so much....still do....it was one i wanted to be my swan song when i left this world...followed by cradle of filths "in the graveyard by moonlight"
“Good artists copy, great artists steal.” - Pablo Picasso
Ah that's why when I searched on youtube it gave a different song with the 2 at the end. thanks
Dimmu Borgir XCOPY this great Amiga game,song!
heheheheh
+passer875 Nice one ;-)
have to say that the original version is better...the game that is...whoever wrote it, it is truly a deep, beautiful and melancholic piece of art.
Oh Stian, how many other things have you stolen? lol
Thanks for uploading this, a few years ago I searched for the original song and didn't find it. Good memories, times when I was just discovering Dimmu
if Agony wasn't in MIDI it would have been better than Dimmu's Version.
Yep. Even the original Amiga version would do it.
You Say right!!
It wasn't MIDI - it was in OG NoiseTracker format.
I love this music.
Yeah do you like the Stormblåst CD? I like both the original version and 2005 version but of course I prefer the rawness and beauty of the original album over the more polished re-recording.
Hey Stormblast re-recording is a clasic to! Hey even better and the band themselves like it better!
dopping by to leave a comment from 2024 since all the comments here are so old... i've been enjoying the stormblast album for years and knew about sorgens kammer being ripped off but this is the first time i heard the original. it's interesting that it's clearly ripped off but i think dimmu did a good job of improving on it and making it their own
I was disappointed when I found out that the song wasn't theirs because it's really good, but I agree with you about them improving the original song.
Exactly. Couldn't agree more.
this song is amazing
If you look up Grishnack on wiki, its got the pic of the grishnack from the film, hes the one who says "what about their legs" and "I'm gonna put a maggot hole in your belly" lol and i'm not certain about the shagrath orc but i do think it is that orc with the whip . I aint read the books in ages lol. the books are wikied.
This is a midi port that vaguely resembles the original, superior Amiga version. Search the original tune "Amiga - Agony intro" on RUclips. Dimmu Borgir ripped the melody, extending it, without crediting the author.
I will always Love the Dimmu Borgir version...no matter the allegations.
It's amazing, and it's FAR more well organized than the Amiga Soundtrack.
Yes it's obviously a rip, but it's not COMPLETE forgery.
i think the problem is he tried to claim it was his composition..... when all he had to do was give credit and pay a royalty
With all these rehashes and remixes of old pop songs in electronic music and so on, I don’t think this a bad case at all. The Dimmu version will always be the best one in my mind.
I guess he just didn't want anyone thinking they were a bunch of nerds.
famous??!! lol...Tim Wright is a musical legend on his own in the computer games community... he didn't need that crappy dimmu version
Ok you proved your point in the end i dont rly care which orc is which. I now remember Ugluk being an orc from morder bein in the company of Grashnack so you're right. ^^
I like the C minor key in the original. I think it sounds much more fitting. Although I think Dimmu Borgir's version is better quality-wise, the original is the best in my opinion.
Superb!!!
Hehe, I listed the first minute of this and recognized Sorgens Kammer in it. Definately stolen.
But the worst is that alt lys era svunnet hen is also a copied song... That's why Aarstad was fired
@randomactsok Yeah, most simple little keyboard licks in the early stuff were more than likely written by Shagrath. He didnt have to write so much when Mustis was around, but thats different now!
For me all the albums with Stian Aarstad are the best for me(For All Tid, Stormblast, and Enthrone Darkness Triumphant) he was a great composer even if he did do a little bit of ripping off. And Shagrath used to have great vocals(Silenoz too), the riffs had more atmosphere and majesty to them and the bass could actually be heard. And it gave some amazing bass lines. Not to mention the drums were more controlled.
Yeah and also why they removed the keyboard intro to Alt Lys Er Svunnet Hen.
Grishnack is the one on the second LOTR who tries to eat merry and pippin in Fangorn forest. and i think shagrath is the orc with the whip lol.
@maidenslayer no there are several different notes if u pay close attention some of tims notes are flats were as dimmu has more minors
all persons got their own opinions. i still enjoy both the newer material, aswell as the old one =D
@maidenslayer thats were ur wrong a different pitch makes a different note yes they sound SIMILAR but it isnt the same if one note is added or deleted it makes it a new song and dimmu didnt rip it they probably heard it nd was like thats bad ass lets make something like that
you have to also consider that there are two versions of the agony theme, some of the piano sounds were changed for the final release of the game without wright hearing them first, resulting in some notes getting transposed and that "mistake" was also present in sorgens kammer, so the parts are basically ripped off note-by-note.
it just should have been a cover or something like that. I dont care if they paid any royalties or anything but credit where credit is due
Tim Wright himself stated himself that he would of let Dimmu Borgir just keep it as there song but credit him. Dimmu decided to re-record it altogether for Sorgens Kammer Del II and ironically (maybe on accident) rip a riff off in that version from Dissections song Frozen.
+maidenslayer Absolutely right
@@BloodlineMedia Fuck you moron, is nothing about jews. Is about give to the original composer what he deserves.
wow I never heard this before!
Indeed. Mainly they removed the plagiarism, and en passant they made the production quality better, and all things they have time and money etcetera for, things they didn't have in the past. The rest we know already :-)
There even is a german Black Metal band called Minas Morgul. Shagrath is an orc name, i think the one with the whip who kidnaps frodo from shelob or that was grisnack. I don't care cause LOTR is an allegory to our world, so i like how black metal implies this element of LOTR in their music.
@TheDarkMetalLord666 A cover is a cover when the original artist is credited, "a cover of the song, without credits" is just a rip-off.
Yes, he is a great keyboardist, yes, he is far superior to any crappy DJ, and in all honesty I am thankful to him for such a wonderful version of this track. But that still no excuse to steal anyone's work.
An amiga game soundtrack must reside in a very constrained amount of bytes and, being the intro, cannot be too long. Anyone saying this "variation on that theme" is better is clearly not taking this into account. It's a bit strange instead that the cover isn't really giving anything more than the original, even if it is supposed to be a full featured song, able to go full power with instruments (quantity and quality) and lenght.
@coldstoragevideo
So you're saying that YOU wrote this?
Well...if it's true, then you have my respect, it is truly masterful work of art. And if what you say is true, then it was a very bad thing of dimmu borgir to do.
how much of you knew agony before sorgens kammer? Well i didn't know and when i first listen sorgens kammer and loved it, i was already listening dimmu. After this song, i searched Aarstad and shocked. He may have stolen it but he showed a lot of person that there can be unimaginable songs, soundtracks that are not very popular. They can be in a video game, an unpopular movie(possibly not from US,Italy exct..), even in a toy! Last but not least, try playing "X-Men Children of the Atom"
I made the score to this music, gave me a damn work. Search in google: noteflight and then search in noteflight: dimmu borgir. There are two versions, but the notes are the same. The second is more compact.
The Dimmu version is much better organized and coherent. It's not a recreation.
I dont care whether it was copied lol, its a beautiful melody.
I'm a huge fantasy fan as well as a black metal fan. I don't think one should themselves to just one thing be it music, book, artwork, math, or anything.
I see what you are saying but I doubt it. Most of fans on their old stuff do not like Dimmus new crap and to my knowledge they hated the Stormblast re-issue and I'm pretty sure they knew it was gonna happen.
It's a marketing technique. They're trying to sell more albums obviously - because Dimmu Borgir is about making money. By re-recording Stormblast, they're effectively defiling the only worthwhile album they ever had.
thank you so much for creating a unique song i love playing it on my keybourd I only wish i had known the situaion sooner I feel somewhat ashamed that your glorious work was stolen they should at least give you credit and thank you for allowing maidenslayer to keep this vid up i listen to it often
Yeah... people say that Stian stole sorgens kammer from Amiga, don't remember...
But sorgens kammer is much different than the song that people say Stian have plagiated
Stolen or not, it really fit with the rest of Stormblåst.
@randomactsok Really?? Oh wow.. I just checked, but they said in October. Im kind of excited to see what this is like; its said to be primal sounding.
Omfg!!! Stian Aarstad...anyway, good job with plagiarism...it's my favourite Dimmu's album!!!
The Amiga version sounds a bit different to the Amiga version I have. Different instruments and a few different notes here and there?
Wasn't that Ugluk or something like that? Hell it's been a long time since i read that part. I'm still reading the book though (wow, i'm another black metal LOTR geek lolz) but i remember my grandad sayin something about that orc in the tower kidnapping frodo being shagrath
@demonazfoodcake its about an owl kinda like a shoot em up game sort of and u go through different levels with different kinds of monsters...
Well The Original
I also have the 2005 edition. But I think that isn't really the reason, since they don't do a re-recording of For All Tid (worse production quality), and both Stormblåst and For All Tid are legendary albums. So there should be another reason. I think it's made to remove the plagiarism Stian Aarstad plagued the 1996 edition with.
Besides, if they wanted it re-released ever since it was out, why did they release it in the first place?
@randomactsok It depends on what country you're in. But in general, it's midoctober-ish... check their myspace blog, theres a post about it!
Oh yeah - definitely his song, no question about that. It might have been remastered - it's got much better quality samples and a richer sound.
that's true, but stormblast 1996 is the best fucking album of all fucking time either way.
dungeon synth is strongly inspired by 80-90 rpg games
no aarstad takes part of this song and put it in sorgens kammer for a tribute to the game , watch wikipedia
@PoisonLaurel Amen to that
Falkenbach took melody/arrangement from the first Settlers/Die Siedler on Amiga aswell,another Band i can't remember the name took the MainTheme from the Amiga game Jean D'Arc. Nothing unusual tbh
Yo creo que esta musica no debe tener copyright.
The original version is magnificent, but even though Stian Aarstad stole it, you don't have to insult him. It is only a cover of the song, without credits :) Stian is an excellent keyboardist, maybe one of the best all over the world, and very keen on classical music, not a fucking DJ or similar. And I think his version is very good too.
It's a shame that this video is one of the very few that actually contain music from the Amiga instead of the MIDI file.
a .mod file I believe, most Amiga music is in that format. Did Dimmu Borgir ever do a live version?
yeah, I like ^^
argggggg !!! Midifile !!!!!! Where's the amazing amiga sound ???
Plus, it sounds better than the original. They could have just as well called it a cover and have been okay.
how long did it take you to write the intro to agony? sounds complacated
In my opinion, Sorgens Kammer sounds a bit more like the removed track from Chrono Trigger, "Singing Mountain".
Just taking this melody without indicating that it was a "cover-version" is indeed quite brazen.
I guess I'll give it a second listen.
dark metal cant resist stepping in the feet of LOTR here and there look at Battle lore
As you don't seem to understand what 'I also have the 2005 edition' involves: I know what they say about the fact that they had contract restrictions, and I know perfectly well as well how different their songs sound on the re-release (down one step for example). But I don't agree with 'the quality didn't do justice to the music', and if I did, that cannot be a reason to re-record it. Besides, if you have plagiarism on your discography, you want to remove it.
If credited as such, then such an "interpretation" is called a "cover".
If one calls such an "interpretation" their own work, that's basically a rip-off or plagiarism, take your pick.
The problem is, this was never credited as neither a cover nor an interpretation.
even if has nothing to do with Dimmu Borgir, you should check out End of Life VS Black Metal Ist Krieg (Strid and Nargaroth respectively)
Well there are people out there who think the song was created by Dimmu Borgir while this couldn't be further from the truth. I don't mind covers of a song but if the artist who wrote it is not even mentioned anywhere it's just a rip-off. He is a good musician but he deserves to be insulted for stealing it, even if his playing made the song better and more complete.
@NocturnalKiller Really you don't see the similarity between the two? I've gotta say they are reallllly fucking close.
@maidenslayer No, you haven't... some people here...
If they did that now, or spun the story, they'd be doing a cover. Weird how they folded and said it was plagiarism.
@exdeath77 Thanks, that explains it.
Agony is the best.