Hi mate. Good to know you're interested in endangered languages and thanks for this video. As a writer whos dedicated his doctorate thesis to 'A Reference Grammar of Lari (Aheli DIalec)' at UNSW, I'd say most information about Lari (Not Achomi, by the way) is inaccurate and possibly non-academically reported (sources are not clear!)! So, I think you need to improve the text! Firstly, may you please what you mean by saying, "it shouldn't be mistaken with 'Lari dialect' of Persian"? We've got "The Lari Language" which has, as you said, numerous 'dialects' such as Evazi, Gerashi, AhEli (which I worked on at UNSW, Sydney), Bastaki, and Lari inter alia. Secondly, Achomi as a title given to the speech of speakers has not any roots in Arabic, rather it's a deragotary name which Arabs used to give to Lari speakers as the speakers would say'Ashem/Aham' which meant 'let's go' or 'we go'. Thirdly, Lari speakers mainly live in UAE (Dubai city) rather than other Persian Gulf countries, and the Lari and Farsi are linked as they both have roots in Middle Iranian Language family but not close. I recommend you'd better consider grammatical categories of the Lari dialects like 'past tense, present tense and alignmnets'. There are more to say which I ignore mentioning them here but refere you to my website: larilanguage.org/ and other papers I wrote on Lari. Let me know if you need to improve the content and I'd be happy to help out :) Once again, thanks for your efforts! There is always room for improvement.
Thank you for this well-written and informative comment, furthermore I am grateful for the website you provided which is filled with much corrective knowledge about Lari. I am always willing to admit mistakes I have made in videos, and given the information provided here, I think Lari deserves a correction video at some point. If you would be willing to work with me to help me create such a correction video, please respond to me in an email. I was confused about terms as there appears to be a Farsi dialect also called Lari that is not the same Lari that is recorded on Wikipedia as "Achomi". I can also understand how that term is offensive, similar to other terms used in the Arab world such as "Fella7i". I apologise for any offence caused, and I commend you for your website and dedication to preserve this language.
Hey Che question for you or anyone who can answer. Is Vedda considered to be in the indo-aryan language family even though it’s a creole language? Wouldn’t Vedda then be in its own language family?
Well creole languages are generally considered part of the language family they've become e.g. Haitian Creole is considered a Romance language. Not all linguists agree and creole languages are still hotly debated. I would consider Vedda to be an Indo-Aryan creole language with a Dravidian substrate
@@CheLanguages That’s kinda crazy bcuz Haitian Creole grammar has a lot of west African traits rather than IE ones so I can see why there’s some debate. But I Gotcha thank you.
@@CheLanguagesStrongly disagree! From what I’ve seen the Paleo-Vedda language was a language isolate and not part of the Dravidian languages. I would argue that the Veddas come from the Melanesian group with the Andaman, Papuan, Australoid, & Negrito peoples. Dravidian would have entered Sri Lanka far too late to justify the leaps in logic that it takes to describe the differences as linguistic diffusion.
I'm not an Achomi speaker but my das has friends who are and when they speak Achomi, I can't understand much as you said but they're all at least bilingual so they don't struggle with Persian A friend of my mother is also a linguistics professor and a native Achomi speaker who had published a dictionary of Achomi in Persian and English with phonological transcription using IPA including common words, expressions, and even proverbs a couple of years ago and this makes it weird that there haven't been a phonology chart for the language Achomi is a quite well preserved language compared to the other South Western Iranian languages other than Persian and they even use their language on social media and have their own content creators which I find pretty impressive Thank you Yair for talking about this language And חג חנוכה שמח!🕎
We have no achomi dictionaries, but Dr Eghtedari has written a Larestani dictinary in 1992. Moreover Dr dianat has recently published “Trilingual Dictionary of Lari Idioms, Proverbs, and ironies”.
Thank you for your comment and חג שמח to you too! Sadly I couldn't find much of these resources when researching for the language, it probably would've been easier if I spoke Persian
You didn't want us in Iraq or Poland, that's why we were massacred there. If you can't even wish Jews a Happy Hanukkah without mentioning "PaLeSwInE" then I think you have a problem with Jews not Israel...
I’m linguist and my native language is Lari. Using “achomi”❌ instead of “Lari”✅ is completely incorrect. There is no historical document of the accuracy and existance of achomi, but there are many authentic document about Lari language.
As I mentioned, it could be confused with Luri or the Lari dialect of Persian, so I used this name. Also, Lari more specifically refers to the Lari dialect of Achomi and not Achomi as a whole. It would be like referring to English as Yorkshire
@ achomi is a dialect of the Persian Gulf Persian. I understand it just fine. I spent a few years in Bushehr I don’t speak like them but I understand it
I already addressed someone else in the comments about this. Both are acceptable terms. I used Arabian Gulf in the sense of "the Arabic-speaking Gulf States" as opposed to the geographical region of the Persian Gulf. Nonetheless, there is no need to be so rude about it
I did find that there is dispute. My own likely hypothesis is that they may have been pre-Dravidian, but they became mixed with the Dravidians to the point they were basically Dravidians before the Indo-Aryans arrived
@CheLanguages I don't think they really mixed with Dravidians because they lack any Neolithic Iranian farmers ancestry which common among most Dravidians, but they might have had great influence linguistically like how paniyas, kudiyas, irulas etc became dravidianised without significant intermixing.
@@Kolsedy it's a possibility, but no mixing at all seems very unlikely. Even the language isolates we have looked at in India in previous videos were mixed with other peoples
Hi mate. Good to know you're interested in endangered languages and thanks for this video. As a writer whos dedicated his doctorate thesis to 'A Reference Grammar of Lari (Aheli DIalec)' at UNSW, I'd say most information about Lari (Not Achomi, by the way) is inaccurate and possibly non-academically reported (sources are not clear!)! So, I think you need to improve the text! Firstly, may you please what you mean by saying, "it shouldn't be mistaken with 'Lari dialect' of Persian"? We've got "The Lari Language" which has, as you said, numerous 'dialects' such as Evazi, Gerashi, AhEli (which I worked on at UNSW, Sydney), Bastaki, and Lari inter alia. Secondly, Achomi as a title given to the speech of speakers has not any roots in Arabic, rather it's a deragotary name which Arabs used to give to Lari speakers as the speakers would say'Ashem/Aham' which meant 'let's go' or 'we go'. Thirdly, Lari speakers mainly live in UAE (Dubai city) rather than other Persian Gulf countries, and the Lari and Farsi are linked as they both have roots in Middle Iranian Language family but not close. I recommend you'd better consider grammatical categories of the Lari dialects like 'past tense, present tense and alignmnets'. There are more to say which I ignore mentioning them here but refere you to my website: larilanguage.org/ and other papers I wrote on Lari. Let me know if you need to improve the content and I'd be happy to help out :) Once again, thanks for your efforts! There is always room for improvement.
Thank you for this well-written and informative comment, furthermore I am grateful for the website you provided which is filled with much corrective knowledge about Lari. I am always willing to admit mistakes I have made in videos, and given the information provided here, I think Lari deserves a correction video at some point. If you would be willing to work with me to help me create such a correction video, please respond to me in an email. I was confused about terms as there appears to be a Farsi dialect also called Lari that is not the same Lari that is recorded on Wikipedia as "Achomi". I can also understand how that term is offensive, similar to other terms used in the Arab world such as "Fella7i". I apologise for any offence caused, and I commend you for your website and dedication to preserve this language.
Another amazing video Yair!
Thank you very much, I'm glad you enjoyed the video as always
Thank you for covering these lesser-known Indo-Iranian languages. Chag Chanukkah sameach!
You're very welcome. Khag same'akh!
Thank you for this fascinating tour across the three branches of the Indo-Iranian languages!
גוט יום-טובֿ
You're welcome און א דאנק!
Thank you everyone for watching, tell me what you thought of the video and Happy Hanukkah and Merry Christmas everyone!
5:04 it’s Persian gulf not Arabian.
This guy is an Isreali no way u gonna get him to say the truth
He be Israeli bro
Shut up
Yes you are right, I meant it more in the sense of the Arab states with Persian populations but yes it is the Persian Gulf
@ALPHIC-ks4zs and? I’m Iranian why would I hate him? The people have nothing to do with the government.
Interesting and informative, as usual.
Thank you for your continued support
Yay, may they survive somehow
Inshallah/Be'Ezrat HaShem
It was amazing to watch this
Greetings from a Persian in Tehran ❤️🤍💚✨
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Stay safe out there
Yes mom my gf is arian
-oh, from witch nordic country?
Iran
LOL
She'd not either in reality, but Israeli
Nice vid
Ty queen
The poem looks more similar to modern Persian but the sentences given are very different.
Very interesting, I wonder why
@@CheLanguages I think it's because the poetry in Iran is dominated by Persian so the poems in other languages are naturally influenced by it.
@Ali-bu6lo that's definitely true, the same can be said for Ottoman Turkish with its Persian and Arabic influences
Hey Che question for you or anyone who can answer. Is Vedda considered to be in the indo-aryan language family even though it’s a creole language? Wouldn’t Vedda then be in its own language family?
Well creole languages are generally considered part of the language family they've become e.g. Haitian Creole is considered a Romance language. Not all linguists agree and creole languages are still hotly debated. I would consider Vedda to be an Indo-Aryan creole language with a Dravidian substrate
@@CheLanguages
That’s kinda crazy bcuz Haitian Creole grammar has a lot of west African traits rather than IE ones so I can see why there’s some debate. But I Gotcha thank you.
@C_In_Outlaw3817 yes, there is debate. Usually grammar is harder to change than vocabulary
@@CheLanguagesStrongly disagree! From what I’ve seen the Paleo-Vedda language was a language isolate and not part of the Dravidian languages. I would argue that the Veddas come from the Melanesian group with the Andaman, Papuan, Australoid, & Negrito peoples. Dravidian would have entered Sri Lanka far too late to justify the leaps in logic that it takes to describe the differences as linguistic diffusion.
@@fishconnoisseur thank you for your perspective, could you provide me with any further information/articles to read?
I'm not an Achomi speaker but my das has friends who are and when they speak Achomi, I can't understand much as you said but they're all at least bilingual so they don't struggle with Persian
A friend of my mother is also a linguistics professor and a native Achomi speaker who had published a dictionary of Achomi in Persian and English with phonological transcription using IPA including common words, expressions, and even proverbs a couple of years ago and this makes it weird that there haven't been a phonology chart for the language
Achomi is a quite well preserved language compared to the other South Western Iranian languages other than Persian and they even use their language on social media and have their own content creators which I find pretty impressive
Thank you Yair for talking about this language
And חג חנוכה שמח!🕎
We have no achomi dictionaries, but Dr Eghtedari has written a Larestani dictinary in 1992. Moreover Dr dianat has recently published “Trilingual Dictionary of Lari Idioms, Proverbs, and ironies”.
Thank you for your comment and חג שמח to you too! Sadly I couldn't find much of these resources when researching for the language, it probably would've been easier if I spoke Persian
That's amazing
4:36 *120.000
Oops thank you Rordon Gamsey
Where is the Zaza? Zaza is a İranic language.Zazas living in Turkey.And Zaza language is not Kurdish.We are Zaza!
It's in a different video, check out the first one
Thank you. Happy Hannuka 🇮🇱
חנוכה שמח גבר
Thanks, have a totally jolly day
@@ErwinSiegwardHermann
Deport Zionists Colonial Settlers back to Poland and iraq. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
you too Hans Landa
You didn't want us in Iraq or Poland, that's why we were massacred there. If you can't even wish Jews a Happy Hanukkah without mentioning "PaLeSwInE" then I think you have a problem with Jews not Israel...
I’m linguist and my native language is Lari.
Using “achomi”❌ instead of “Lari”✅ is completely incorrect. There is no historical document of the accuracy and existance of achomi, but there are many authentic document about Lari language.
This guy is a part of the great Israeli plan to divide and conquer the whole of iran and iranian culture he doesn't care for the facts ma
As I mentioned, it could be confused with Luri or the Lari dialect of Persian, so I used this name. Also, Lari more specifically refers to the Lari dialect of Achomi and not Achomi as a whole. It would be like referring to English as Yorkshire
@ achomi is a dialect of the Persian Gulf Persian. I understand it just fine. I spent a few years in Bushehr I don’t speak like them but I understand it
LOL what
interesting. Another guy corrected me that indeed it is called the Lari language, its most distinctive dialect is that of Lari
Persian gulf. Educate yourself… such a shame
I already addressed someone else in the comments about this. Both are acceptable terms. I used Arabian Gulf in the sense of "the Arabic-speaking Gulf States" as opposed to the geographical region of the Persian Gulf. Nonetheless, there is no need to be so rude about it
No veddas are considered as pre Dravidian people rather Dravidian. Like the vocabulary most of non Sinhalese words are neither Dravidian as well.
I did find that there is dispute. My own likely hypothesis is that they may have been pre-Dravidian, but they became mixed with the Dravidians to the point they were basically Dravidians before the Indo-Aryans arrived
@CheLanguages I don't think they really mixed with Dravidians because they lack any Neolithic Iranian farmers ancestry which common among most Dravidians, but they might have had great influence linguistically like how paniyas, kudiyas, irulas etc became dravidianised without significant intermixing.
@@Kolsedy it's a possibility, but no mixing at all seems very unlikely. Even the language isolates we have looked at in India in previous videos were mixed with other peoples
@@CheLanguages yes, that is true there are will some form of intermixing.
Do you have any plans to do a video on dravidian languages in the future?
@@Kolsedy yeah, I would love to delve into the Dravidian languages, I just need to read more about them first!