What do we do now?
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- On this episode of The Blue Crew, Jonny Lazarus, Avery Zaretsky, and Cody Frankel go through all of the emotions after the Rangers season ended on Saturday night against the Florida Panthers. The boys or sad.
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Guys. I am almost 70 years old. I saw my first Ranger game at age 11 in the old MSG. Not the MSG that is at its current location. I have been watching the team almost 60 years and I only have 1994 as a championship memory. Before that, I was not even born when they last won in 1940.
So, can you imagine the heartbreak I have endured? This team this year was the best team since 1994. But it's not the only very good Ranger team to have lost. There was 1979 against Montreal. There was 1972 against Boston. And of course the loss to Los Angeles in 2014.
And you know what I feel now on this day? I am so grateful that I had all these years to be a Ranger fan. There is a Taoist expression you probably already know, "It's not the goal, it's the journey in life that matters most." I know that you understand but 40 years on from now you will really understand.
My only sorrow regarding the Rangers is that I won't have another 60 years to see future teams. That is my greatest sorrow about having to someday die. If I am lucky then I might have another 15 years.
I really want to see the Rangers new guys, new teams, and maybe even one more championship year. Can you imagine how many people who have already died must have felt the same way?
You are young. Please keep the passion and know that these days will always be among the most painful days you will experience. The day after elimination... Every year, except one. But the pain will pass and supporting the team as they go forward will bring you much joy. And who knows, maybe you guys will experience a future Ranger dynasty. You never know...
LGR...
LETS GO RANGERS
Needed to hear that
Very well said. I agree completely - it's about the journey. And although we're still waiting for that Cup, there's a lot to be happy about. Drury has gotten this team to 2 ECF in 3 years. Since 2011-12 the Rangers have been among the NHL's top teams more often than not. We've had so many exciting playoff runs over the past decade plus. The organization is in better long-term shape than at any other time in its history. They have the game's best goaltender and a potential star in Laffreniere. They're very close. If Drury makes the right moves he can get us over the hump.
You're young guys get over yourselves. Try being a fan for 45 years
@@terrysommer3592 Terry. Out of curiosity, who was the oldest Ranger that you ever saw play? For me it was Harry Howell who I saw in his last season with the Rangers in 1968/69. His first season was in 1952/53. Howell played for the Oakland Seals and then for the Kings in a career that spanned twenty years...
Step 1: Buy out Trouba. I've seen enough.
Honestly when panarin scored with like 2 minutes left it just pissed me off bc I already knew it was over but the fact he started playing like that when it was too late was so infuriating
first time he had a look in the slot like that all series off a rare ekblad mistake. and it came with an empty net.
For what it's worth, I have a friend who played professional hockey until he blew out his knee. He was a defenseman and he is a big, gritty, tough s.o.b. He also makes most of his living betting hockey these days. He knows match-ups better than anyone I have ever met. He told me without any doubt that the Panthers would beat the Rangers in six. He is not a fan of any particular team but he does appreciate certain players while he thinks other players are pansies...
He has told me more than once that hockey is all about the match-ups. You build a team with guys who will win match-ups against the players on the two or three teams that you are most likely to face in the playoffs. Nothing else matters (with the exception of a having a very good goalie and coaching staff).
The Panthers did this successfully because they planned for the match-ups in advance. So, it wasn't that Maurice was better than Laffy. What happened is that the Panthers GM is better than Drury.
That being said, I asked him how do the Rangers going forward prepare for a match-up against Florida next year. He said that Drury has to find the players who will match up better against the Panthers. Decide who they are, sign them if you can, and cut the flotsam. Rangers are great puck managers but the Rangers also need more size on the back end and on the front end too.
He says that Lingren for all his heart is just too small to be a 1/2 defenseman. That's why he is always hurt in the playoffs. He likes Miller but he says Miller is not yet ready for prime time. He may be better than Lingren going forward because Miller is a bigger boy. But he is still unproven as a truly responsible d man against top line offensive players. He thinks he will be better next year. Lingren will not be better.
He says Truba cost the Rangers the series and that making him captain was a Drury mistake.
He says Krider is about the only beast that plays on the Rangers and that he consistently matches up well against almost all other players. He made money betting Krider a lot during the season. He said that Zabanajad's game has diminished ever since he had his baby daughter born back in September. He was never that 'hard' but he has softened up even more.
Panarian is a great play maker but he needs bigger, tougher, s.o.bs on his line with him.
Lafy looks like the real deal and is becoming a beast. Might like to see him play with Panarian going forward.
Kako is probably a bust and is definitely on his way out of New York.
Schneider is not there yet but should be a solid 3/4 going forward in a year or two.
He likes Rempe but he's still almost in diapers. But he looks like a baby Godzilla who can play on the fourth line next year. He might get even better if he learns how to finish. My friend says that Rempe might actually profit a lot from playing on the line with Panarin and that he can learn to be a net front presence like Krider...
LGR...
Although that was honestly barely coherent at certain moments, and some of it is also contradictory, some of it was on point as well.
Mainly they are slow and prob too small overall. They are mentally soft more than physically soft quite often and defense is an issue but less of an issue with Igor. instead if they had acored 2 powerplay goals, they prob win the series in spite of being outplayed
@@J77199 Thank you for your reply. What part of my original statement was difficult for you to understand? Perhaps I can rephrase what I have written for you.
Little cry babies.
Cody I respect your cap situation analysis. Everyone just disregards the cap but it’s as real as the nose on our faces.
Here is a big positive …. Good bye Kaapo Kakko👍🏼
You guys working through the pain this video (and rob brown's comment below) really helps. I'm choosing to believe we're not all victims believing in this team year after year, but collectively working toward something as franchise, players, and fans. It sadly isn't a straight line to the top for us. It wasn't a wasted season, though. It just sucks right now.
Wanted to wait a day before posting my Rangers thoughts. Instead of a long, boring story, I'll stick to points...
1. It was a GREAT regular season. Went to 4 games (3-1).
2. First two rounds of playoffs (even after the Carolina scare) gave me great hope.
3. We were COMPLETELY DOMINATED by the Florida Panthers in round 3. If not for the GREAT play of IGOR, we SHOULD'VE been SWEPT!
After series thoughts:
3.1 Laviolette WAS outcoached by Maurice.
3.2 Miller is NOTHING but a TURNOVER machine!
3.3 Trouba might as well have been wearing a Panthers Jersey! He did more for them.
3.4 Other than LaFranniere, Goodrow, Trochek, Lindgren and of course, Igor....WTF??????????????
Final thoughts:
4. Changes MUST BE MADE! I LOVE this team, and have been a die-hard fan since 1969 and its been 56 years with 1 CUP! Lots of great years, lots of close calls, lots of great players, but 1 CUP! If not for salary cap constraints, and BIG contracts with no move clauses, it will be difficult to find the right pieces needed to get the holy grail, but it CAN be done!
4.1 Trade Miller & Kakko and take whatever draft picks you can get. The dumping of a combined $8 or $9 million is enough of a return. UNLESS, they can somehow turn Miller BACK into a forward (he played forward in college some). He is a HORRIBLE defenseman, who refuses to use his body and relies solely on his stick to defend, and as mentioned earlier, a turnover machine!
4.2 ABSOLUTELY MUST buy out Trouba. He is nothing but a liability.
4.3 This is the tough one. Either, Zibanejad of Panarin has to be traded for a more physical Center/LW. It hurts to even type this, as I love them both, but 3 years in a row of playoff ineptness when it counts from both is enough.
4.4 Along with young guys making an impact next year like Brennan Othman, Adam Sykora and Zac Jones (among others), I'd really like to see F/A or trade additions such as Jake DeBrusk & Brady Tkaczuk be brought in!
All in all a great season that ended in disappointment by losing to simply a better Florida Panther team.
hey guys new to the crew and watching the Rangers since JD was was goalie Phil Esposito was on the team Guy LaFleur
it’s always been the same they get to the dance and they can’t finish. Thank God I was alive to see 94
Just found this pod. I subscribed and look forward to watching future episodes. Don’t be down on our boys guys, as a chiefs fan my whole life I can tell you that the cup will feel even better after these conference final losses. Love my Rangers and love this version of the team.
Love you guys! Keep doing your thing. I look forward to celebrating the cup with you all as fans.
Should have signed Eichel and Rodrigues when they were available and brought in Kane after his surgery to have a chance in this series.
1994 taught me that it's not worth getting too emotionally invested in something over which you have no control. No matter how closely you follow the team or how many games you watch or how much you know, nothing you do will affect what happens on the ice. And even if they win the Stanley Cup, it's not going to improve your life in any lasting way. Sure, there will be celebrations and a parade and it will be fun, and you'll be proud of your team, but in a few weeks all of that goes away and the world returns to normal and your life is no different. It's better to just sit back and enjoy the games. See every season and every playoff run as an opportunity for some enjoyment and community, but don't get so into it that it kills you when they lose.
My Dad took me as a kid to the first Devil’s game in ‘82. He asks “You a Devil’s fan now?…no Dad…Rangers forever”
I feel for ya Avery..I've been at this with the Rangers since around 1965...trust me, alot of dark years with this team
I’m a devils fan and I can say I never have sympathy for Rangers fans when they lose but I can feel the passion with Avery talking. I’ve been a devil fan since 85 and I’m 48 years old now. I think I sounded a lot like Avery when the devils would come up short. Losing like the playoffs hurts like hell but I will say, you’re only 26 and as you get older, you will realize that there are more important things in life than your sports teams. The disappointment will still be there, but it won’t last nearly as long as I’m sure it will last now. Believe me I’m as die hard of a devil fan as there is, but I’ve just learned over the years to let it go a lot sooner when they disappoint me.
We have TOO MANY players who get you TO the playoffs rather than players who GET YOU THROUGH the playoffs
Zibanejad was a bigger disappointment than Panarin because he was costing the team defensively. If you're going to go invisible offensively, you can't also zone out on defense.
I know they played like garbage in games 5 and 6 but in my opinion the turning point of the series is when we stopped killing penalties, especially in game 4. Our power play being as bad as it was only hurt us more.
After Vesey got hurt
Ive been around a lot longer than all of the boys on the show. The one thing i have learned from all the heart break is that they will be there this October and so will we. Ive been going to that building since 1984, they won the cup when i was 13 and i took it for granted. I truly thought I would have seen one or two more in between, the worst being the Henrik years how we let the greatest goalie of his generation not win a cup. My son now shares the same sentiment he is 12 and is hurting, Drury has to straight out ask Panarin, Mika hey do you care about individual accomplishments or do you want a cup? Have to see what these guys are made of, this series showed the holes on the bottom, firstnline RW, and bottom pair d.
Panarin is 32 years old. He’s not going to change into what he needs to be in the postseason unfortunately. I thought after the great regular season he had he would be different in this postseason, but again his size and unwillingness to forecheck, take hits, do the dirty stuff, is why he (and obviously Mika) are tradeable. We need to get bigger and longer, and we need to pay Igor soon.
The panthers are a great team no team in the eastern conference was beating them last year they took down the whole east way easier and this year they are even better rangers are not that far off need some changes but there’s still hope for the team
Flipping the puck up into the air out of your zone and trying to chase it down is not the same as skating/passing it out of your zone and up ice to create a scoring play.
They should try to sign Jake Guentzel..
Dump the core god damnit.
I know this is a pipe dream, but Matt Rempe would be the perfect player to convert into a D-man. A Chara 2.0. He has deceptive speed for his size, but its more north/south which is better for a D-man. You know how easily he could clear the front of the cage, win board battles and bully opponents trying to enter our zone with his size and strength?
I love this idea
God i hate that i love this team. I was born a ranger fan and ill die a ranger fan and nothing will ever change that but fuck me does this team feel cursed.
The team of destiny for me will always be 2015. The team and the management at the trade deadline went all in. It was the “Change the Ending” year. In my opinion, we lost the deadline this year. I think allllll the ‘94 comparisons really took us fans away from reality. We may have won the President’s Trophy, but I don’t think there was ever a point that I was convinced we were a cut above any team. This wasn’t a roster that I could say had no holes - far from it. We all know that the fucking first line RW has been a revolving door for three years. All these teams were so close. We had a damn good shot, but unfortunately the Panthers are the better team. Way she goes in the chase for the hardest fucking trophy in sports.
I truly believe if they get rid of Trouba and goodrow. We can finally find something with that 11.5 mil in cap space. Trouba getting traded isn’t likely. It’ll be a buyout. But I’d try and go after marshy from Vegas and pesce from Carolina. Need to resign Igor and laf July 1st.
Goodrow was better than Panarin, Mika, and Kreider
@@BKDBut yes, he was for the Florida series. So here me out, if goodrow was cooking, why didn’t lav put him in the top 6 rotation
@@ryanmcguire7583 The point is he wasn't the problem. And if you think they'd be off the team next year, and their full salaries, I want some of what you're smoking. You say yourself that Trouba will need to be bought out and then include his full cap hit as being removed. A Trouba buyout removes $4 million. It should still be done
Avery I feel you, I'm 40 I was 10 in 94, I watched more of the NBA finals on TV because I couldn't watch because we couldn't afford cable. The 94 team ushered in the NHL on Fox. Then cable took them away again.... By the time I could watch regularly they've been good but just can't get over that hump. I've seen your family in the Road to Victory documentary. Plain and simple we need a Captain, Troubs is ok, but it should have been either Kreider Zibanejad or Panarin since they all share the A.
That's a huge problem.
I feel you Avery because I'm distraught too but we'll be back in Igor I trust
You guys need to address how bad Jacob Trouba is for this team. It’s not just “Florida was the better team” the rangers will get now where if they don’t learn from this and adjust
All the rangsrs have to do this off season is bring in brady tkachuk but the core must remain as well and i certainly think its possible
Brady T would be a great addition. The exact pain in the ass player this team needs.
I’m with Avery. Nothing left to say….this core has proven they can’t get it done. Not sure what the plan is. Better hope the prospects we have pan out. Same shit different year
Great Yankees analogy but the Yanks have the most Championship wins in all of Baseball (27)… and it’s not even like they slowed down they’ve won 4 world series in the 20s century. I need to watch VHS tapes to see the last time the Rangers won. For some reason I feel its gonna be a season that Im gonna be too busy in life to watch any hockey maybe some time post 2034 that they finally do it. All of that and Id still trade any amount of championships to come to get that one against LA for Lundquist.
My thoughts:
1. Cody looks like adam fox here
2. Panthers bodied the nyr for 9 games this season. not even close.
2a. this series ended when gustafson erased that 5 on 3.
3. NYR need to trade a big contract. i hope trouba
4. NYR must get othmann and berard involved in the varsity next year
5. Sign perreault for hartford
6. ive seen enough of kakko
7. if mika is a 1c its bottom 5. that contract is a PROBLEM.
Honestly winning the Presidents trophy is pretty much negative thing for your team most of the time, because it means you spent way way too much energy and effort for overly long and meaningless regular season. Most seasoned teams clearly let's down the gas in near end of the regular season once they're sure that they are in the playoffs, just to reserve energy and or test optional line combinations for the playoffs.
Tamba learned it in hard way against columbus, ever since they stopped trying in regular season, this year Florida perfected their system in their hot streak and after that coasted end of the regular season. Kings coasted in their second cup regular season and so on. Season just is too long for it, especially if your teams playstyle is taxing.
Chicago iirc is last team that won both regular season and cup together, but they just were _that_ good of a team, real dynasty with really savvy management.
For the love of God, shoot Trouba to the Moon immediately. Kakko, Wenn, Ros out, sign Lindy and Schneid. Othman up to the 3rd line, Jones in the lineup, wanna see them both play 82 and the 1st round pick too (get someone gritty who can score), Sykora looks promising too. Trocheck, Fox or Kreids for C. Get an elite RW who can wake up the sleepy Mika (would rather see him traded though), get someone gritty for the 3rd line and a D too. LFGR! Oh, first thing first - extend Igor, give him everything!
NO QUICK FIXES-- That's why we got 1 Cup in 83 (now 84) years. You gotta draft & develop players with Playoff Pedigree.... AND LET THEM DEVELOP. Goal & Defense will take care of itself. Lafreniere is going to be a Power-FW Super Star; Cuylle is going to be good; Chytil is Top-6; Kakko will emerge into a solid defensive 3rd Liner; sounds like Perreault and Othmann play with a lot of vigor; Sykora might elevate when he gets to the NHL. Keep Kreider & Trocheck.... But absolutely have to cut loose Panarin & Zibanejad. Gotta change the Team Culture-- LET THE PLAYERS DEVELOP-- And things will be fine.
This is what happens with out a proper rebuild. And now cap hell. And by the time were out of cap hell who knows what 13 and 31 will be.
Think this core needs a bit of a shakeup and what that looks like, I don’t know
Jacob Trouba, Gustafasson, Rosolvic, Wennberg all need to go
You named Trouba and then 3 guys that were already on expiring contracts and gone....
@BKDBut I think Trouba needs to be bought out or be traded. I doubt a trade will happen, because no team would want to take that contract.
@@nyr4life I agree. The buyout terms aren't bad. The cap is actually going up by a bit more than his hit. And it's simply addition by subtraction - he's been that bad.
You forgot KK. He regressed this season way too much to keep him around and hope he comes around. He will never be like Laffy (a late bloomer). A couple yrs ago we had to worry if they traded him and he broke out then it would suck. Not now. He does nothing. #2 overall????? Terrible
@@albie21121 Kakko being picked #2 is pretty irrelevant. That draft is notoriously bad. Rangers just had shit luck that they got a #2 pick during a terrible draft. Rangers should explore a Kakko trade but that's hardly a priority or a must.
One cup in 80 years
Shoot Trouba into outerspace. If ever there was a way one player could almost singlehandedly destroy our chances at a Cup, it was our captain.
Our entire defensive group was below average in the postseason . We needed more production from them. They chipped in nearly 0 offense in the playoffs. Trouba is washed. The rest of the guys could’ve done better.
He did it in 2022 as well
Yes. If he wasn’t directly responsible for a goal against bc he was out of position, he was taking a stupid penalty. Even if he’s playing hurt it doesn’t explain mental/positional mistakes.
Kakko is probably gone, no way lindgren is going anywhere
Buy out Trouba. I love Panarin and none of this is his fault, but maybe consider a trade. If we could get a 1st and a decent player for him, I’d do it. He’s not going to get us over the hill, especially in the playoffs. I’d honestly do the same for Zib if the offer is right. We have to change it up a bit. Time to retool.
Helluva ride.
Learn to breakout of there zone and not panic and flip the puck in the air every time
We did not do that all year. Our transition is what won us games. Playoffs roll around and we played scared and just flipped pucks blindly, usually to the other team.
After a night of being pissed it’s really not the end of the world I think the core could work but it’s a big offseason they have to try and move off some guys for some real pieces that will help in playoffs try to get rid of Trouba however you can get rid of Kakko let Lindgren walk if he asks for more money and he can’t play with fox gotta split up Mika and Kreider stuff like that has to happen
STEP ONE. BE GRATEFUL.
THATS ALL.
Omg enough with the toxic positivity
Trouba has to go. The buyout terms aren't bad, the cap is going up buy a bit more than what his hit would be, and it's simply addition by subtraction. It's mindblowing that he started the first 20-30% of the season playing so well and then absolutely fell off a cliff. And he cost us goal after goal in the playoffs
Mika is not a 1C. Our top line was never a top line for a President's winner. The RW situation made it even more of a joke.
I hope to God we let Trouba go and we may have to think about shopping zibanjead while we can get someone in return… I never expected this years team to do what they did and it surely does sting because this team had IT… my lord it hurts was 10 when they raised lord stanley I thought last years team had the pieces… At the end of the day Florida was the better team they got outworked and outplayed in the heavy areas of the game..cap hell for real and our top players never get the job done when it matters….drury needs to get creative at the end of the day lets see what happens boys
Nothing no trade clause. Fkd
This season was a huge disappointment. Tell me how its better than being 6 wins away from the cup two years ago.
RUN. IT. BACK.
Absolutely not. If some substantial changes aren't made we will find ourselves in the same position next year, or worse
Run it back is 100% correct!
Panther fan i enjoyed ur cast ..cant say you didnt see this comming with the 5v5 being poor and special teams as a crutched leaned on with comeback wins ...it wasa poor recipe...good cast good luck in ur futures
Avery, why would you want to represent a team from a place you don’t want to live? I’ve been a lifelong Panthers fan, and there was a time when a “rebuild” was a lie. For the first time in my life I feel like we have an ownership group that cares about hockey, not entertainment. Represent your neighbors, your community, and where you’re from. I love the cats and they are a group to be admired. Sorry to New York, but if you live down here, you see gators in your backyard, you’re from Florida.
That's pure nonsense. The Rangers are either in your blood or not. I talk hockey with Ranger fans who live all over the world. I live in Tampa and despise the Lightning and their fans. LGR!!!
They got leveled because they had no other choice than to take it, Cody. You cant risk taking a penalty dude. What kind of craziness are you talking here?! Panthers are an awesome team, but they also got the officiating advantage (referring to your comment about getting hit in the face and just taking it) They had to!
Lousy contracts were given boyz! Started with Gorton and JD and extended with Drury. Alot of money held up in soft players.
Igor, Fox, Trochek, Laffy, everyone else can go. Let All UFA's go. Of the RFA's only Schneider needs a contract. Get rid of Trouba and give C to Trochek. Need a 1RW and 1LD. Build up bottom 6 and blueline.
The core is soft. Igor will take a weak team far, it's time to disband this core
Watching you guys lose was sweeetttt, 94 nevermore losers
Buy out the Painter. Breakup the boyfriend’s, (Cut Mika). Fire Laviolette. Otherwise stop whining because this is what we get for not doing what we need to do. Chris Kreider and Mika Zibinejad will NEVER win a cup, so them on our roster means….
beta male blue crew 🤣
ditch the European players
Buy out trouba, drop Miller to the 3rd pairing and leave him there.