Confused Darwinist's failed attempt to define Darwinism
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subboor was savage lol
now he’s a silent killer lol
@@TurinTuramberBeing precise in science is pretty important. If your definition of a word means something entirely different, it doesn't mean the one correcting you is splitting hair it means you're completely and utterly wrong. Also if you're arrogant enough as most atheists are to claim that you know something about a subject that you're totally ignorant of and just repeating words you hear with little to no understanding, then putting you down in such fashion is only appropriate.
@@timelost7261 This isn't science, this is two men yelling at eachother in the street.
Darwinism is irrefutable fact and the Qur'an is just more superstitious nonsense, the man with the beard just found out; no wonder he was so upset.
@@glawfpv9112 I guess you haven't watched the video.
@@timelost7261 what the RUclips video that's meant to counter observed behaviour in nature. Yeah I'll pass
The guy was reasonably correct. The other guy was just shouting until the first guy gave up trying to argue a meaningless point
not really, "mutation" implies that the changes in nucleotide sequences have a pattern. which is not what darwin was arguing.
@@Mruninteresting not colloquially. It just meant that mutation occur, which happens in either case.
@@Mruninterestingmutation usually implies randomness in biology. I’m pretty far in my undergrad nd still haven’t got to intentional mutations. Maybe Muslims intentionally evolve. But so far seem to be evolving backward.
🤡 vs facts of evolution . Basically
God is real god exsists !!!
"I dont get angry very often"
somehow I dont believe that
Somehow, I'm not surprised.
Darwinism are being triggered
All Beard knows how to do is yell.
@@MrWeezer55pathetic argument rather then addressing the subject you insult basic atheists
@@MrWeezer55when has he screamed? Like the christian “missionaries” yelling and disrupting everyone and every conversation in speakers corner 🤦♂️ come on man
Voice of Science >>> Shouting of Religions
As a Muslim i agree, whenever someone talks about science these butt heads keep shouting about their religion, keep science away from religion, religion is for yourself not to compare it with science
Voice of science → We are going to end up in black screen of Death and everything we ever do or did will be erased.
Also Voice of Science → Religion is bad.
I mean why do you even have care for anything? you cannot even say things like suicide is bad because you have no objective reasoning to base it with
sure..go study for neet bruh, or if you get time, watch the whole debate
😂 it’s frustrating talking to stupid people that’s why he’s shoulting
@@ChristianMuslimdebate-n5eReligion is human cope 😂
As a muslim , evolution is a fact ,
If you can deny it by a scientific research paper then do it and cut the crap
There's no problem to mix between religion and science at the same time
You can tolerate with both without yapping about scientifically proven theory.
Bro i have so much respect for you. Most religion believers just try to disprove science when they have no idea what they're talking about
@@VroyShone Mutual respect mate. Yes, I agree. I believe that falsifying and lying to fit with religious ideologies is unethical , I'd rather to be a believer without denying a fact!
@@akrammahmoud9142so if evolution and Islam have come to a point what happens then do you take the science and reject the religion or do you change the religion to accommodate the science forever and ever as more science is brought to light genuine question akhi
I respect you for that. My ex-gf was PhD student in a lab that works on molecular genetics. Their research always involved evolution at some degree. For some reason, half of her colleagues were muslims. None of them believed in evolution, because this is not how things happened according to the Quran. It's crazy what some religions do to people.
@@lucascreediv1283 we would reject science and accept Islam. However that point cannot arise, either there is a flaw in our understanding of the religion (which is what I would argue is happening), or there is a flaw in the presentation of the science (which also happened, my introduction to evolution was as proof of atheism, rather then biology. So it was tainted with assumptions).
"I am someone who get angry often".
I dont think I have seen a single clip where this man doesnt scream in anger
he doesn't scream in anger, that's just how it is in speaker's corner. you have to not just have good evidence but you have to assert dominance in a debate in that place
@@aziz390 then why doesnt the other person scream?
Screaming like he does is often a sign that he doesnt have evidence or good arguments, so he says it loudley.
He was angry because the guy in the hat was harassing Muslims the week prior using terms they didn’t understand (neither he did) to confuse them
@@uraharasshop3547 in that case, I can understand. But he is always so angry. Most people like him are.
He’s ‘ a true muslim ‘ lmao
I hope thisnew youtube strand of Islam is NOT representative of the broader order, as these guys suck.feigned intellect. Staged empathy. Rudeness and arrogance, quite the spectacle!
Shout, bully, insult, aggress, repeat, undermine job done. Embarrassing to us all
A random mutation is still a mutation. So while he might not have been precise enough he was correct.
@@WildPrimal23
Actually you forget (natural selection) so its not (coincidence).....even random mutation is not (coincidence)😃
@@WildPrimal23
They are just random....and thats how they are....its not in my hand to change the facts😅
@@WildPrimal23
Am not english speaker so if i was mistake in something am sorry
What am trying to say.....mutations mostly are random
@@WildPrimal23 It's the mutations that are random, natural selection isn't. Not sure I understand your question though 🤔 A mutation might happen for a variety of reasons and it may or may not affect the organism. In any case, mutations create variation in a population, which could then possibly lead to evolution.
@@kolomvosable this was the explanation I was looking for. I understand now. Thanks!
I mean, that is Darwinian evolution in very simplistic terms. The idea is that species arise through random mutations, and the ones that make an organism more suited to its environment will allow that organism to survive and propagate their genes. Which is natural selection, the most adaptable species survives.
And we have proof. We are getting taller over the years in country's where height is a standard for most women. In country's where height isn't a favored attribute they aren't increasing In height by generation on a noticeable scale
Yea ..like moths over time, the dark colored moths became the more common of the two color forms. Natural selection favored the dark individuals, so they were more successful after the trees changed.
But does that mean a Moth changes in to a Bird lol.
Or elephant changes in to a man .
Or a Monkey to a human ?
Micro evolution is fact ..but macro evolution is not a fact its a Fantasy
@@dalejrjunior1298
Natural selection doesn't mean species transcend form and change to a entirely different species lol
If so it would be observed .. all I can see is humans ? ..humans will get darker..lighter taller... but what you won't see happening is humans changing to a different species 🤔 🙄.
People that believe otherwise are delusional .
@@SH-cs9we Macro evolution occurs due to generations and generations of micro evolution. Look at chimps and bonobos. They were two populations of the same species that became separated from one another during the formation of the Congo River. Over time they differentiated in minor ways, and now they are so different genetically that they are considered different species of ape. You can see it in the Galapagos islands too, which is where Darwin formed his theory.
If you knew well, Darwinism and this are not the same just like quantum mechanics and classical physics are not the same. But why do we know 🤣
Fair play to that guy for being so calm while this guy threw a temper tantrum
Yeah everyone is calm when they lose an argument
@@Ahmed.4411 that has never been true lol
at least he didn’t look stupid
@@deadlypop3799 what I mean by that is they have no response.
@@Ahmed.4411 He missed one word out, he got the basic premise but Donny decided to throw a temper tantrum 😂
Islam is still mythological
And political ideology as well
And political and of course very chauvinistic
@@lordronn472 According to The Encyclopaedia Britannica: “Most of the classical literature that spurred the European Renaissance was obtained from translations of Arabic manuscripts in Muslim libraries.” (1984), Vol. 15, p. 646. Bertrand Russell in ‘History of Western Philosophy,’ London, 1948, p. 419. "Our use of phrase 'The Dark ages' to cover the period from 699 to 1,000 marks our undue concentration on Western Europe... "From India to Spain, the brilliant civilization of Islam flourished. What was lost to Christendom at this time was not lost to civilization, but quite the contrary..."To us it seems that West-European civilization is civilization, but this is a narrow view." Professor, Reverend, W. Montgomery Watt reminds us in The Influence of Islam on Medieval Europe (Edinburgh: University Press, 1972: “It is clear that the influence of Islam on Western Christendom is greater than is usually realized. Not only did Islam share with Western Europe many material products and technological discoveries; not only did it stimulate Europe intellectually in the fields of science and philosophy; but it provoked Europe into forming a new image of itself. Because Europe was reacting against Islam, it belittled the influence [of Muslim scholarship].... So today, an important task for our Western Europeans, as we move into the era of the one world, is to correct this false emphasis and to acknowledge fully our debt to the Arab and Islamic world." Tim Wallace Murphy, A Templar Historian wrote a book called What Islam Did For Us, on page 215 sums up as follows: "even the brief study of history revealed in these pages demonstrates that the European culture owes an immense and immeasurable debt to the world of Islam. Muslim scholars preserved and enhanced the learning of ancient Greece, laid the foundation for modern science, medicine, astronomy and navigation and inspired some of our greatest cultural achievements. If it were not for the inherent tolerance for the People of the Book that was manifest within the Islamic World for over 15 centuries, it is highly doubtful that the Jewish people could have survived as a racial and religious entity, and we would have lost their contribution to art, medicine, science, literature and music which is almost beyond measure. We in the West owe a debt to the Muslim world that can never be fully repaid. Despite our common religious and spiritual roots, we have thanked them with centuries of mistrust, the brutality of the crusades and imperial takeover that conducted with callous indifference to the needs of the peoples we exploited"
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Living proof of Evolution rejecting it
Pretty sure even natural selection skipped the muslim guy
May be muslims may not developed from homosapiens they may be developing from other species like l-allah 😂
Or may be an alien species
HAHAHAHAHAH
That cowboy was right lmaooo
Why is this guy so angry and wants to defend his religion so much what is he trying to do??!
Natural selection not through out mutation but random mutation. There is the difference
Do you even know how different theories work, its like explaining statistics to a toddler
The difference of neutral or harmful is not a difference for you? That's same like a teacher angry on a student because of his stupid saying lol
@@animegirls3219you are haram, bet you can't even speak or read Arabic and bet you don't pray 5 times a day
@@TheKingofTheUniverse. Mutations are usually implied to be random
You can literally debunk all of his conversations by asking him about dinosaurs and ask him to explain them lol
What abt dinasours??? There just giant animals, from a prehistoric time. Exactly like the animals of today
What is your point?
@@topgkayani5124 the Qur'an doesn't have any proof of dinosaurs
@@funnylawre and this means what???
@@topgkayani5124 Fossil records from dinosaur times indicate transitional species which provides evidence for evolution. Most notable transitional fossil is of the species arcaeopteryx which provides shows that dinosaurs evolve into birds
Random mutations are still mutations dude... How much did you smoke?
Shame🤬@@pollo-of-space
No but they have to be random mutations. The idea that mutations aren't random but rather influenced by the environment is a Lamarckian idea.
you really don't understand different theories of evolutions do you? just because all those theories have the "word" evolution doesn't make all of them the same thing. similarly different theories of evolution gives different perspectives and opinions About their idea of evolution. I just really don't understand why you start trolling when you don't even understand the difference yourself. 😑
@@Robert-Re Was that a response to me? If so, I never even mentioned the word evolution... I just pointed out that a "random mutation" is still a "mutation"... Like a "brown horse" is still a "horse"
@@Robert-Re I'm pretty sure the point of Tom is to say Ahmad was too pedantic. I also add it seemed too dramatic, probably for the cameras and channel.
Besides, Darwinism is not defined as "natural selection plus random mutations".
"Mutations" is used in the context of genetics, which was not known by Darwin. Also, as far as I know, he didn't explicitly say the variations were random.
And there are more mechanisms, like sexual selection, and ideas, like common descent, associate to Darwin and that are part of Darwinism.
The Muslim man conveniently forgot to add that evolution is one of the three greatest scientific theories ever.
THEORY!!! Once proven we will call it fact.
@jessiehuynh7495 Scientific theories are never proven, they are provisional and the highest level of explanation in science, over and above a fact because the latter doesn't explain but the former does.
@@jessiehuynh7495you have absolutely 💯 no understanding of scientific theory. Gravity is a scientific theory so is germ theory. Please educate yourself and google scientific theory before you make a fool of yourself again.
@@CesarCloudsscientific theories have become proven what are you talking about?
@lukasm8990 Scientific theories are never proven in the formal sense i.e. logic proof steps leading deductively to a conclusion. That's only for math and formal logic. Science goes beyond that with empirical confirmation, testing, predictions etcetera. And, like I said, they're provisional and open to falsification. You can call them "proven" but only in the colloquial sense.
Dude, stop shouting at them, be civil.
Also stop being wrong and educate yourself.
Learn civil discourse. I am a Muslim but wtf are these lot doing just shouting and speaking over them. Have some respect. They will take this and clip it and paint it as Muslims not having any grace
That's how the hater play. Framing muslim.
Doesn't matter if it's intentional or not, but you yourself are cussing when trying to correct others, on matter less than yours. Fix yourself amidst advising others, don't be ironical by you being lesser civil than the person you claim to be less civil. And get the context first, and deal with it from there instead of playing iblees's advocate whilst pleasing the kufar.
Talks about respect and goes on to say wtf, the hypocrisy man.
It's positive vibes. I'm loving it... You kill atheism with loud 🔊📢 logics
@@aas529 “framing”? So we’re gonna pretend we didn’t all see this?
People actually think this guy is smart bcz his voice is loud and he’s throwing random hand signs
But there’s nothing smart about what he said.
He bragged on about what makes him angry.
And then corrected the other person which took less than a second
So what was he shouting for a whole goddamn minute
Egotistical narcissism is a prerequisite for immature Islamists.
There is nothing rational in Islam. If you are fluent in Arabic and read Islamic books such as the Qur’an, Sahih al-Bukhari, Muslim’s book, and others, you will be shocked by the ugliness of this religion. I am a girl and I left Islam, but no one in my family knows and until now I wear the hijab, which I was forced to do. Since childhood, I feel like I am living in a cage and I do not know when I will be free. It is difficult to live while wearing a mask.
Bro do you mind if I copy your username?😂
@@Creationists-AreCryBabiess
Be my guest, sir. 🖖
Most sane Muslims
Bro got angry that his atheist buddy got educated😂
@@muslimninja9017 ah yes educated by some dude who still shoving 1400 old word to his throat 🤦♂️
Actually it was the other guy that was sane. The Muslim doesn’t even understand evolution and gets frustrated by a humble guy who for all practical purposes was still correct
@@americanearthling9671 he has studied evolution on an academic level. Lol what u on about mate?
@@muslimninja9017 clearly he doesn’t understand it. You can lead a horse to the water but you can’t make him drink. Evolution is one of 3 most solid scientific theories. It has been proven time and time again. It’s amazing to me how often theists struggle to understand it. (My knowledge of the subject came after college.) He has an ulterior motive to trying to debunk it. His world view would prove to be false. As I said evolution is a well established and proven scientific theory. His religion is clearly clouding his ability to grasp it
Why do this people always scream and get angry? Do y'all have nothing else to worrry about in life? Instead of having a discussion about who is right and sho is wrong while nobody knows who is right or wrong.😂
I mean we do know evolution is right and it has been proven several times already
@@funnylawre present your facts that proved evolution
In the end, we are human and our brother is human
@@-King-Of-Beasts-science
@@eugenioderose6628 acience considers it as theory not a fact and your idiotic argument shows how "scientific" you are
As a muslim myself I can confirm this mf will never argue with a professional biologist
biologist don't defend Darwinism.
@Programm4r "Darwinism" refers to what Darwin himself proposed and is about a century out of date. The modern theory of evolution is the backbone of biology so I imagine biologists do defend it when eejits like Subhoor come along not even understanding what evolution is.
@@zigongosaurus5274 modern evolution theory deals with natural selection, variation, developmental biology, etc. You can totally accept synthetic theory and still be a 7 day creationist.
@@Programm4r
😂 Darwins findings are the pillar of modern biology genius, the modern synthesis merely added things like genetics, evo-devo and epigenetics to Darwins findings
@@whatabouttheearth Darwin didn’t find anything. Speciation was documented over 4,000 years ago.
Someone should tell him is not teenage mutant Ninja turtle or X-Men😏
This is so childish but it made me laugh so hard smh 😂😂😂
Its rich ur tlkin of characters in a book to defend ur "jackass of a God"
@@theparodychannel7842 at least my God can't die like urs🤣
X-Men would be actually a good read on this because it shows even If you force a mutation (by chemicals or physical Stress, which is acutal science) the result will always be random. Just Like in X-Men where they can not predict who will have what mutation.
So yeah mutations are always random. They just happen or If forced still have random results.
@@Toddy15 No matter what mutation received, humans will never have claws.
The loud shouting of a man as ignorant as he is confident; truly, the blind leading the blind.
Typical for someone to throw a temper tantrum like that.
A guy who runs around a rock talking science 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@kneeger4703not technically fathers but we invented things
@kneeger4703Galileo wasn’t a Muslim. Isaac Newton wasn’t a Muslim. Albert Einstein wasn’t a Muslim.
is funny how atheists claim to know science most of them are overweight porn and drug addict NPCs.
What a joke 🙄
When are you getting your soy latte james?
@Knee Ger 🤣🤣🤣🤣 offcourse they are
I’m a biologist. Happy to debate…
Don't come here with your credentials to this chimpanzees tea party.
No one will debate you, they are scared. But for people to read the replies, i will debate you.( I don't believe in Adam and Eve bs)
So tell me , was darvin right? Or his theories are just theories and nothing more?
Be civil :)
@@sammy57533 tbh he did get a few things wrong. Pangenesis theory being one. But I’m with you buddy. We can and will destroy any religious rhetoric between the two of us.
@@adam_p99 i am not a biologist but i damn sure know that human race is not an inbred race of 2 people.
The thought of that makes me disgusted.
Also people think that evolution "just" happen
Like one day people evolved like pokemons and then they were like
"Well guess we are humans now, gotta act intelligent"
I am with you👊
Let them come if they dare
Let them come
@@Tahazif_TheCool22 yeah bro if i could go, i absolutely would and with fkin evidence reports and papers.
Till then i was hoping that if any idiot wants to debate here, it would be hilarious to destroy him/her
So this guy won the argument by being pissy and adding the word random to the other guys answer of mutations?
The Safari looking guy is right... Evolution isn't all random mutation 🤣
then explain it to pro darwinists.
@@popkb
He's just throwing in the word "random" to seem like he's knows what he's talking about.
The mutations derived from natural selection, meaning an animal not getting killed before it breeds, or being selected by a mate to reproduce, are not random
Genetic drift is random.
@@popkb
He's just throwing in the word "random" to seem like he's knows what he's talking about.
The mutations derived from natural selection, meaning an animal not getting killed before it breeds, or being selected by a mate to reproduce, are not random
Genetic drift is random.
Angry Primate argues with primate whilst denying being a primate surrounded by like minded primates😂
More like, angry unevolved monkey argues with homo sapien😂😂
he's attacking someone who didn't claim to know anything. how disgusting.
Dumbledore spoke calmly.
This guy yelling here has no fundamental knowledge of biology
I bet his religion is also peaceful, just like how he doesn’t get angry very often….
I mean you lost your friggin head over him not using the word random, even though it's implicitly implied. Trying to win a debate through sementics and anger is a sure way to lose. What garbage.
Lol it’s speakers corner it’s 100% justified. Imagine how many bozos every minute walk in and spit random bs and just try to argue. If it was a normal setting 100% not justified but knowing the history of speakers corner I totally get it💀
@@sagebaker6426 getting angry over semantics is never justified.
For anyone reading this remember "don't recommend this channel" is a thing. Don't give this trash more traction.
@@sagebaker6426 I'm not angry. If it's place of debate, as the old adage goes, if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. Science.
@@glawfpv9112 so basically run away if you get angry. That’s is absolutely a cowardice statement. Sorry but humans get angry you don’t even know the full context of the debate yet you sit here watching a short of a longer debate and assuming you know everything. Absolutely ridiculous
@@sagebaker6426 if that's your take on what I said, you're a moron. The guy loses his top, that means he loses the debate. You have to keep you cool if you want honest and open discourse to be effective. Sure things can get heated, but this chap literally shouts down his opposition, that doesn't lead to progress..
"I don't get angry often"
*proceeds to shout like an idiot for 5 minutes because of one word*
😂
Natural selection and mutations, Of course they're random! Epigenetics is to do with environment and behaviour that can change us on a genetic level and can be passed down to our children, but it is reversable! Autogenesis is a part of evolution that's derived internally without any external interactions! Both have helped humanity evolve into what we are! He's twisting what his opponent meant so he can counter with a weak argument that doesn't actually make any sense! He gets angry over the silliest things because he feels he's "crushed" his opponent, but he didn't! Shouting and getting angry doesn't mean you're right! It only impresses the uneducated around you!
How tf is he wrong , natural selection occurs when in harsh environment the species goes through mutations and the best one survives. He said exactly what u said about epigenetics , the other doesn't even know what Darwinism is. I get ur an atheist but u can't really stand up for stupidity , and most of atheists are stupid are stupid . Only a handful can make statements without bias and I respect them with all my heart(I.e Neil tyson)
@@majortom6262 well I do agree he was a dick about it , but can u gotta agree that most atheists are stupid . Are you really so sure that the majority of atheists aren't tiktokers and gen z horoscope and magic crystal people ? That's why I said I only whole heartedly respect only a handfew people who aren't driven by emotion , and as I find myself taking to atheists , they are quite short tempered and biased.
Subboor finally got someone who knows as much as him on Evolution
Someone is excited, maybe at last to show off his new vocabulary but the man did say he had a "basic idea". So that response was overkill, anger!!! How?
Did you even watch the video?
Even his "basic understanding" was wrong and if you watched the video you know it's just a snippet of a longer video the atheist clearly did bunch if wrong claims beforehand when you listen to the way suboor is talking
Any person with a little bit of brain would be angry when you see arrogant atheist down talk religion and religious people and boast about being scientific while they're in pure ignorance both in regards of religion and science
So for the love of god, don't try to defend a dumbass like that, it just makes you look bad
That atheist was there to debate. You surely know how arrogant they can be and how they pretend that science is on their side. But this guy showed that he knew absolutely nothing about science; not even the bits that he was using to support his argument. He just follows blindly what he hears. Watch the full debate for context.
@@m0nkfish28 There's no such thing as randomness so why should he assume it's random. Don't pretend you know science just because you're atheist. I'm sure if I challenge you intellectually, you'll not stay atheist. You'll start saying you're an agnostic-atheist who has no world view or something equally nonsensical.
@@j.r.r.tolkien8724 gish galloping while throwing bunch of words into the mix then insulting your opponent than shouting like a Arab woman at a funeral is not a debate.
@@m0nkfish28 he is wrong for arguing against Darwin. Just like he would be wrong for arguing against gravity.
"Natural selection through mutation"
"Thats not even Darwinism, its natural selection plus random mutation."
:|
The shouty guy is clearly very insecure. Poor guy, hope he gets a hug soon.
😆😆😆
Allah will hug him 😆
@@emperorxina2914 do doubt... Buddha is dead rotten
@@playroid1 what?
An example of an overtalking bully, who is clearly playing the man rather than the subject. Here is a modern book about the subject, jerry coyne why evolution is true. Just words about the subject. No grandstanding, overtalking, finger pointing, personal putdowns, self promotion. Im looking forward to the day when narcs like this can just be walked around, and ignored, until such time i guess one has to push back a bit to highlight the unreasoned.
So was this supposed to disprove evolution? Because one person maybe doesn't have a good grasp of the concept?
Oh yeah let's argue with a random laymen on street about Evolutionary biology. And people actually take this guy seriously
He just want to win the argument 😂😂
Indeed that dude with a beard is pathetic.
He did more than win, he humiliated the atheist who never showed up to speakers corner after that
@@adamS993 god isn’t real
@@hog7302 he is, don’t be afraid
@@adamS993 no he did it is not humiliating when telling answer to a stupid student same a like stupid answer you get humiliated by the teacher than you got the true answer Don't be sarcastic 🤌¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Evolution isn't something you believe in or not, it's a stone cold fact. People always pick weak opposition to make themselves look smart and correct. Tommy Robinson (who I dislike) also uses this method to make himself look good.
Now name a single Muslim country where evolution is taught in schools.
İran
Turkey
Azerbaijan
all of them
all of them
but we study it as a theory not as some kind of cult like in the west
Tbh evolution is harder to understand and talk about than saying ‘oh God made us end of’
You never debate calmly, just screaming to prove the point😂😂😂that's called fear of expose
If he trying to say that while using X-Men logic then I'd understand 🤣
He is still living in flat earth 😂😂
Actually, both are wrong. A asteroid coming to hit earth doesn't care about your feelings/beliefs. Forsee it or not, it's coming and praying won't save you...sure you'll feel safe in your head that you are religious but who will even know after the earth is destroyed?
After the earth is destroyed and all people die, there are 2 scenarios.
1. Theres no god, no afterlife, no hell and heaven. The outcome will be :
a. Atheist : neutral, no wins no lose
b. Believer : neutral, no wins no lose
Both zero chance to win.
2. There is God, with afterlife, hell and heaven. The outcome will be :
Atheist : guaranteed lose and stays on hell
Believer : some probably go to hell for sometime but will go to heaven eventually.
Atheist still zero chance to win, and 100% lose. believer have more than zero chance to win, and 100% win after sometime.
Conclusion, being a believer is a better position to make, since it has more chances to win. Choosing something that has zero chance to win and 100% chance of losing is an irrational position
@@reza_3q Like there is a scenario one 😂. There were too many saints, miracles, visions, NDE’s, dreams, drugtrips, UFO abductions, nightmares etc. We all were once there and we knew, that is the reality.
@@reza_3q these are the 2 scenarios which we think are possible to be the outcome with our limited or let's say open mind ,but what if there is a 3rd and a 4th and 5th scenarios and it goes on . The world is beyond which we are thinkin rn .So the 2 scenarios you said have a chance but there can be more scenarios we never know
@@amruz777 well there are only 2 options, either there is a god or not. You can't have third options. If you think you can, please give us the alternative.
@@reza_3qwhat if you worship wrong god then there so many different god how can you be so sure your god is the right one
Athiest diss one more god doesn't make amy different
As soon as you lose your cool, you lost the discussion
The mistake here is that Subboor focused on the fact that mutations are "mostly" random (stochastic in nature), BUT if that's all what evolution relies on, then it wouldn't work. If all Subboor knows about evolution is that mutations are random then that only proves he doesn't really understand what he's talking about... why ?
Because Natural Selection is NOT random , that's the part he missed. The fact that natural selection is not random is what makes the evolution of complexity (with an increase in fitness through adaptive evolution) possible in the first place. But that's just creationists being creationists, they don't even want to understand.
Muslims few years down the lane "Mohammad was the propounder of the Theory of Evolution and its there in Quran...some mullah interprets some surah...save my word
Have you read the origin of species.Bro we are not pajeet we read those books.And not shout like hindu nonsense logic
@@beliver9015 yaa bro read the origin species its good unlike the Quran or Bible or Gita etc
I hope not. Typically we do not change our religion to suit modern world
@@fark69you think you are still in d medieval ages? Using a smart phone right? Not riding Camels??
@@girishvenky that's ignoramus mocking.
Lmao 😂😂 sure the random is important but are we gonna pretend that’s not what he meant😂😂
Yes it is. You should study basic genetics.
@@ad3l547 u just said nothing like an idiot
@@ad3l547 yeah you know a lot about genetics? He did not disproved Darwinism in any way, let add random mutation on the sentence what does it changes?
Yh it’s called being pedantic
@@fzee990 when is Mutation not random? The way he described it is perfectly good for a basic Understanding of the subject of Evolution
"Oh shit! I'm wrong. Okay. Let's just shout out random words and act like I'm right."
Impressive, he said to the guy who had already said that he only has a basic notion of Darwinism that he doesn't know Darwinism. (without proving Darwinism wrong)
Genetic Mutation: Lamarck
Natural Selection: Darwin
Well, you're pretty wrong also
The one dude was just throwing in the word "random" to seem like he knows what he's talking about.
The mutations derived from natural selection, meaning an animal not getting killed before it breeds, or being selected by a mate to reproduce, are not random
Genetic drift is random. Lamark was absolutely wrong.
Well, you're pretty wrong also
The one dude was just throwing in the word "random" to seem like he knows what he's talking about.
The mutations derived from natural selection, meaning an animal not getting killed before it breeds, or being selected by a mate to reproduce, are not random
Genetic drift is random. Lamark was absolutely wrong.
With Aron Ra you aren’t so clever😂
go watch the full video
@@mujahidhasan118 he only tries to humillate his opponent when he answers correctly. I don’t know why you like him so much, he is like a heroe for many of you
@@buscandolaverdad9079
He's just throwing in the word "random" to seem like he's knows what he's talking about.
The mutations derived from natural selection, meaning an animal not getting killed before it breeds, or being selected by a mate to reproduce, are not random.
Genetic drift is random.
He's just throwing in the word "random" to seem like he's knows what he's talking about.
The mutations derived from natural selection, meaning an animal not getting killed before it breeds, or being selected by a mate to reproduce, are not random.
Genetic drift is random.
He wasn’t wrong though. It was obviously implied the mutation is random. He I sent the religious one, what the fuck would he think controlled it?
Just because the shouting guy said an extra word doesn't mean that he is right. I could say "i'm having a cake for my birthday" or "I'm having a chocolate cake for my birthday". Both are right.
The only one who's 'confused' here is this bloke who clearly never took a basic biology class.
Bro the argument was over one word 💀💀💀💀
The guy came in with full national geographic custom but forgot to bring so knowledge with it
Lmao mutations are always random. Shouting will never change the facts. That guy was right
@@ItzGENN yes it is random, but the organism with favourable mutation survives and all the other die, so looking at the bigger picture, only favourable mutation gets chosen, it's not chosen at random
The shouting Muslim is the one who forgot his knowledge at home. Mutation is inherently random.
I’m Muslim and I like the other guys that do speakers corner, but this guy learned something and was desperate to show off. The other man has respect and all he’s doing is yelling like an idiot
You are not a muslim. Lier
@@chadi4578 my brother, to deny another man’s Islam is the greatest of sins. Pray for forgiveness.
@@flottaflotts dont even try this nonsense. It doesnt work with muslims. We know each other very well. And no true muslim will take the other side in this case. Subbor was not yelling he was teaching him . I saw all the debate. He was not just yelling. Now let me tell you if you consider yourself a muslim. Does allah tells you to go in the side of the kofars? And defend kofars? And what respect are you talking about if someone is not believing in Allah by arrogance? You say subbor is yelling while he is explaining to him why his darwinian fairy tail is wrong? If you are muslim tell me how many rakkaat are in fatiha ? Just a simple question. Answer
@@chadi4578 I’m not defending a kafir, I’m saying this guys just yelling. Being homosexual for Subbor is haram my brother.
@@flottaflotts i repeat my question how many rakkaa are in fatiha?
I believe in God, I also believe in evolution. The scientific evidence is overwhelming at this point. Side note. This guy would convert more people to his cause if he exercised humility
Real
Shows how islam started, by intimidation. Nobody is gonna believe him now
"Darwinian" evolution - the second you said that you lost all credibility as well.
First of all the proposal of Darwin is that evolution is that species change over time, give raise to new species and that they have common ancestor with the mechanism for that being natural selection.
The fact that Darwin first proposed a scientific theory to explain evolution, does not mean that thousands of scientists haven't built on it. Quite the opposite, with genetics and modern technology, we can explain evolution more accurately.
As mr. Green once said, there are 2 people in this world. People that accept evolution and people that don't understand it. Unfortunately creationist dogmatism makes relatively smart people to look like complete idiots.
Spot on
You literally elaborated what subbor said what Darwinism is, you Didn't even realise you crapp _ed yourself.
@@nihad9054 He forgot to mention that evolution is a fact and that the theory of evolution is a scientific theory that explains that fact:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
Arent all mutations random?🤔
Subboor has good critical thinking which vaporises when you put the Quran in front of him. He understands Evolution well but also believes in the Adam story. Wonder how he balances both in his head.
Flying donkeys must be extinct
Islam : just shout random words and make yourself your know something
Bro said he had a "basic idea, that's it" and then you expect him to know everything about Darwinism
He added in random when the guy clearly implied random mutations. And then he got mad?! 😂
I saw whole debate. The other guy doesnt know anything. He slapped him more than 10 times.
Him: I don’t get angry often
Also him: proceeds to scream out on every such argument and not let the other guy speak 😂
“It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.” - Charles Darwin (1809-1882)
“an empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers” -Plato
This.... is kinda catching people on Semantics? Screaming at people until they give up is kinda shitty. A reasonable conversation needs to be had to try and convince one side.
Bruh so explain how God created everything
If you have to tell people you don’t get angry often while you always sound angry on the internet… lol
He's passionate. Interacting with 🧠less bots ought to make you 😠 at times.
I mean he's literally outside tho
@@u-kneeque
We are literally discussing the veracity of if a talking snake really convinced two naked people to eat an apple that made them ashamed of their nudity, resulting in them being forcefully sent to another plane of existence (makes total sense) where women would have to suffer throughout labor while some guy was walking on water and another one turning poop into bread, and many more stories just as absurd as this one in other religions but yeah sure, we're brainless for even doubting the truthfulness in that
he needs to get a job ..
@@_Athanos you believe in bestiality and incest, nuff said
So the slap was him missing one word?
That missing word made it into another category
Yes, one crucial word.
Yes and that was supposed to be his "basic" understanding
Mutation in nature is ALL random, so it's implict in the statement... So f'kin dumb
@@m0nkfish28 subbor didn't fail because the man didn't refute him which means he knows he didn't know lol.
Listening to that guy and his points was lowkey like listening to someone with Alzheimer’s. He’s going on and on repeating the same thing but then goes off into a tangent talking about another thing entirely, but then gets back on topic and contradicts his previous talking points lol. Very entertaining ngl but kinda hard to follow, thank you Dave for making it a tiny bit easier
i feel bad for the guy assuming he wasnt a biologist, poor guy got asked a question and he said what he knew
One of the best debates I have seen against athiest
I would really love to watch a debate between Bro. Suboor and the athiest Aaron
ruclips.net/video/PkFehUaHbAE/видео.html Here you go bro 😊
The problem with most atheists is that they have no qualifications, they talk about things they don't understand.
Half of the debat between daniel and aaron, he didn't understand that libaralism includes both the left and the right political sides, but he didn't know that, he just came to learn, at least he just shut up when he was lost, not like most atheist they keep their arrogonce till the end.
Lol yes the word random is sooooo important to this init
Yes in genetics. Try to study more. I learned that in High School.
@@ad3l547 anyone with a iq of 10 or above would know when someone uses that phrase the word random is a given. You seemed to remember some little fact from school that everyone and their mums know but have no iq to live in the real world and despite this think you're the smart one educating others. L.M.A.O
@@98godofwar Of course not. But hey, I'm not gonna hate you for that, an Twitter user is and will be an Twitter user After all
@@ad3l547 A random mutation is still a mutation. So he might have not been specific enough, he was correct.
He must feel wonderful for being all knowing.
because he study in it.
They were having a debate, so ofcourse.
Imran has wasted his time with this empty man
@@remakw4338 Empty men are those who follow blindly with no enquiry, reason ,criticism and freethought .
@@remakw4338 you’ve wasted more time mindlessly agreeing to everything that this aggressive arrogant man says just because of his stated religion. Least the other guy actually tried to formulate his own opinions. Yours are prescribed to you
"Confused darwinists failed attempt to define Darwinism"
So you?
His description of dawrinism was fine, if a little unrefined. The religious person here is a loony who went completely off the rails instantly and made no good point whatsoever. No one was acting even remotely how he described in his fit.
his target audience don't actually care about anything except 1 up-man ship
Pedantics! I’m amazed this was put on the net, it’s embarrassing, he missed out the word RANDOM what a great win lol
the key word
like you in a court and rather than saying i not guilty you said I'm guilty
@@150zxc hardly Lol
@@150zxc no dumba ss, he said "MY BASIC UNDERSTANDING", he wasn't taking a test. If you think that's bad, how but the idiot talking about "DARWINIAN" and "DARWINISM".
It's just evolution! Darwin only got the ball rolling.
The fact that the guy said natural selection and mutation rather than monkey into a man should have shut up the ape yelling about it.
@@bobobo2224 hello mr dumba$$ basic math is 1+1=2 not 3 he wasn't taking a test yes but he bassed the test by coming to debate someone about somthing so its stupid to go to someone telling him he is wrong while saying "MY BASIC UNDERSTANDING" and in fact his BASIC UNDERSTANDING is not correct
@@150zxc mutations are random. If you force one, the result is still random.
So your court example is not a good comparison. Because "Not" makes Something the opposite and is never implied. But randomness is implied in mutations.
That awkward moment when you get passed off because you think you're right🤡
"okay let's check your basic idea. what's your basic idea?
savage 🔥🔥🔥😄😄😄😄😄
They actually deserve these smackdowns because they are painfully arrogant.
Haha says people who believe in something blindly like sheep with no ounce of scientific evidence and preach it and look down on people who do not want to blindly believe in something that comes across that was written by a child. All the stories are so vague it's laughable. To me that comes across as arrogant
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Found another one here
@@greentooth3097 exactly, you just saying that proves my point the hypocrisy is oozing out of you
Was a funny comment though 🤣
@@ashleymorris6636religion summed up lol
It is not a big deal He doesn't know exactly what Darwin theory is , but at least He believes in science. On the other hand that Guy who know well about Darwin theory still believes in religious myth. 😂
Epigenetics isn’t random mutations lol. It is preventing certain genes to be expressed, but no codon is changed, guy is just getting pissed off that he has no idea how anything works biologically
He is graduate from madrasha University 😂
We learn this in GCSE biology smh...the organism with the more favorable mutation survives
Why would he have any idea how Darwainian evolution works? Unlike religious books, Science changes and becomes more accurate and complex over time
He said natural selection through mutation, and he changes it to natural selection through RANDOM mutation so it sounds more stupid 💀
Thank Allah I am an ex-muslim
Good for you, you won against a random dude in the street now try debating a biologist
IM RIGHT BECAUSE IM LOUDER THAN YOU AND I DONT UNDERSTAND THE TERMS THAT YOU ARE SAYING