This happened to me a few weeks ago and I was left scratching my head as to why it came off. Now you have confirmed it I will also be going back to dacron for my carp fishing. Great video mate, thanks.
Marvellous piece. I find the line from the rig loop cuts into the elastic too, especially with big carp, and accelerates the weakness. Brilliant alternative. Thank you
Yes I see what you mean about the small knot Joe. I had that happen and now always tie an old fashioned crows foot. This has never let me down, but you obviously loose a bit more elastic, each time you re tie. Great explanation though pal 👍👍
That tip to swap elastic from long kits to short ones is something I've been doing for a few yrs, saves money, plus the well used elastic is.a little softer and ideal for f1s shallow, skimmers also.
I use drennan method conector (plastic s shape with sliding tube in the middle for method feeders). Hooklenght on working side, small loop on the tube side. That setup works great for me.
I cut my kits back a long way and would need a huge bead to prevent the elastic from disappearing. I like a small discreet bead so had to reduce the bore diameter using a double bush. It works well and the elastic runs smoothly too
Thank you very much Jo amen 🙏 could you please show how you attach your line to the elastic and what not use or not what not you you to touch your fishing line to the elastic. Thank you
Top tips Joe. Your black top greatly helps the presentation. Question - do you have a very small / tight bead at your pulla end which allows you to have such a long tag hanging out?
Hi Joe I found same issue But I found a fix without a Dacron, I tried and tested and ain’t had a problem since, The lasso knot you do behind the knot on elastic I’ve decided to put a no8 stot and use the stot to zip tie the line to elastic
Your videos are great, Joe. Did you not mention in this video that you had done a video about Zipp Adjusta Puller Beads. I can’t find it! Or maybe I was mistaken? I’d really like to know how to use/set-up these beads correctly. Any help much appreciated.
@@MatchFishingFilms thanks, Joe. So what would you recommend for size of bead compared to thickness of elastic? For example use a 1.6mm elastic would you go down tighter to a 1mm bore or go up to 2mm?
@MatchFishingFilms that would be cool, I vaguely remember something way back about this, but I've all my time going for bigger fish of various species, so fancy moving into the match scene abit, alot to learn ,especially on the pole, cheers
Hi Ive lost several rigs with the direct method they just slipped over the knot, so ive lost confidence in it at the moment, i used to use the crows foot or plastic connectors.
how do you get your elastic to last more than a month, I've only got two top kits, im using elastic lube, I would say the elastic is used twice a week, 12 hours at a time, any elastic I use starts to turn "milky" and ends up having lots of micro abrasions through out the elastic,(fishing shallow for carp 10lb+ in open water) is it due to how I store the top kits after the session ?
You could try using rig hook ups from Preston. I use the direct bead method all the time and it does fray after a few sessions. I just cut it back an inch.
Personally I don't like either my rig comes off with them. I prefer the stonfo connection at least it's 100 per cent secure.. and contrary to what some think you can actually slap the rig using the stonfo I've used it to good effect at my locals .. cudmore and Blake hall complexes
I lost several rigs when line is direct to the elastic. With Dacron I dont. I have seen the elastics damaged due to line cutting into them. Do some close up videos of a couple of set ups - 1 - Thin line(.13.) Line direct to elastic. 2 - Thick line(.19.) Line direct to elastic. 3 - Dacron to elastic. Bottom them all out under close up and see the damage done.
Hi Joe I still use the old stile i lasso my dacron over the elastic the way Des Shipp use to do it and check it each session works for me but would you say the complicated granny knot is better Plus shallow fishing for carp the no dacron would the line cut into the Elastic quicker Great video 👍
@paulsomersetwolf5970 we found the lasso method caused a strangulation situation and made the cutting through worse. But it's whatever works for you Paul and if you are checking it every time out then that method won't let you down 🤟 I think its worse when people leave them unchecked for weeks at a time
Dont use any used fly line backing since ian heaps showed me years ago bought one spool I probably 30 years brilliant way of doing it tried dacron didnt like it
Seriously is no one talking about that loop he made with the loop tier. Well done mate. I’ve been teaching that for years.
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This happened to me a few weeks ago and I was left scratching my head as to why it came off. Now you have confirmed it I will also be going back to dacron for my carp fishing.
Great video mate, thanks.
I think its worse with thicker lines. I've never had it happen before, but since upping my mainline to 0.22 this summer it's happened twice.
Try slipping a 2 or 3 inch of hollow elastic over the last part of elastic then your Dacron or line has a double piece to bite onto.
Marvellous piece. I find the line from the rig loop cuts into the elastic too, especially with big carp, and accelerates the weakness. Brilliant alternative. Thank you
Nice one Joe.. I can see ypu starting a new trend. 👍🏻
Yes I see what you mean about the small knot Joe. I had that happen and now always tie an old fashioned crows foot. This has never let me down, but you obviously loose a bit more elastic, each time you re tie. Great explanation though pal 👍👍
Great tips Joe. Like the Bead only especially. Cheers
Me too. My mishaps have been my fault 🤯
That tip to swap elastic from long kits to short ones is something I've been doing for a few yrs, saves money, plus the well used elastic is.a little softer and ideal for f1s shallow, skimmers also.
Same happened to me joe, brilliant video thanks
Glad it helped
I use drennan method conector (plastic s shape with sliding tube in the middle for method feeders). Hooklenght on working side, small loop on the tube side. That setup works great for me.
Great tip!
Joe, I've started using the crows foot and pull the bead over when I've attached my line,never had any trouble. Thanks mate
Good explanation. Please explain the advantages / disadvantages of "double-bushing" - saw your kits had a bush within a bush. Thanks.
I cut my kits back a long way and would need a huge bead to prevent the elastic from disappearing. I like a small discreet bead so had to reduce the bore diameter using a double bush. It works well and the elastic runs smoothly too
Thank you very much Jo amen 🙏 could you please show how you attach your line to the elastic and what not use or not what not you you to touch your fishing line to the elastic. Thank you
Thanks for the video information much appreciated.
Glad it was helpful!
Top tips Joe. Your black top greatly helps the presentation. Question - do you have a very small / tight bead at your pulla end which allows you to have such a long tag hanging out?
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Hi Joe I found same issue
But I found a fix without a Dacron, I tried and tested and ain’t had a problem since,
The lasso knot you do behind the knot on elastic I’ve decided to put a no8 stot and use the stot to zip tie the line to elastic
Cheers for this Joe. Would that knot for attaching the Dacron work with hollows / hydro too? Cheers
Yes 👍🏻
Cheers Joe
Great debate video Joe a lot of folk have reverted to the very short Dacron. Keep them coming 🌟
great video
Cheers Joe. Would that knot to attach the elastic to the Dacron work on hollows / hydro? Cheers
Yes
Your videos are great, Joe. Did you not mention in this video that you had done a video about Zipp Adjusta Puller Beads. I can’t find it! Or maybe I was mistaken? I’d really like to know how to use/set-up these beads correctly. Any help much appreciated.
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@@MatchFishingFilms thanks, Joe. So what would you recommend for size of bead compared to thickness of elastic? For example use a 1.6mm elastic would you go down tighter to a 1mm bore or go up to 2mm?
Joe, what size Nu-fish bead would you recommend for reverse bead connector method using a 2.4mm 16-18 elastic?
still use stonfos myself..they seem fine for shallow self hooking
They tangle too easily if you're shipping full length
Being new to pole fishing, how do you attach the rig to the elastic/dacron connector please, cheers craig
It is a lasso I need to do a video on it 👍🏻
@MatchFishingFilms that would be cool, I vaguely remember something way back about this, but I've all my time going for bigger fish of various species, so fancy moving into the match scene abit, alot to learn ,especially on the pole, cheers
When having the rig looped direct onto the elastic when playing fish does the line not cut into the elastic making it weaker?
I'm sure it can happen but I haven't had it personally
Hi
Ive lost several rigs with the direct method they just slipped over the knot, so ive lost confidence in it at the moment, i used to use the crows foot or plastic connectors.
Good luck!
Hi Joe you should add the slow motion footage to show everyone 🎣
I don't have the footage unfortunately it was from a few years back now
@@MatchFishingFilms that’s a really shame maybe another time then.
@@MatchFishingFilms I have changed all my kits the Zipp elastic and the beads/dacron that you show in the clip it’s brilliant.
how do you get your elastic to last more than a month, I've only got two top kits, im using elastic lube, I would say the elastic is used twice a week, 12 hours at a time, any elastic I use starts to turn "milky" and ends up having lots of micro abrasions through out the elastic,(fishing shallow for carp 10lb+ in open water) is it due to how I store the top kits after the session ?
Could be. Or you just catch loads of fish!
Even when mine loses colour I still use it
You could try using rig hook ups from Preston. I use the direct bead method all the time and it does fray after a few sessions. I just cut it back an inch.
Figure 8 knot … 👍
Are you not worried about line cutting the elastic?
No I've never had it
@@MatchFishingFilms I think it would be my worry, an angry wobbly 8lb ghostie would test my nerves' haha
@@the72inc73 I agree, mine too.
Personally I don't like either my rig comes off with them. I prefer the stonfo connection at least it's 100 per cent secure.. and contrary to what some think you can actually slap the rig using the stonfo I've used it to good effect at my locals .. cudmore and Blake hall complexes
Yea good old plastic connectors are great. We are currently working on some of those too as we know how good and simple they are to use 👍
Preston and matrix are the best connectors.
Im still using the stompho type connectors. Does that make me a dinosaur?
No 👍
I still use the old sleeve method
when you say sleeve do you mean a stonfo connector?
@@CB-xr1eg I find with arthritis in my fingers that I struggle to get the loop off. Being an old git
The knot used to tie the Dacron to the elastic looks very much like a half blood knot
Sounds like it :)
Why don’t ppl use stompo conectors just wondering as I still do
They are great!
I lost several rigs when line is direct to the elastic. With Dacron I dont. I have seen the elastics damaged due to line cutting into them.
Do some close up videos of a couple of set ups -
1 - Thin line(.13.) Line direct to elastic.
2 - Thick line(.19.) Line direct to elastic.
3 - Dacron to elastic.
Bottom them all out under close up and see the damage done.
Yea I've never had it cut through on either. But I make a point to check them every time I set up. Other anglers maybe don't
Excellent Thank you for posting.
Hi Joe I still use the old stile i lasso my dacron over the elastic the way Des Shipp use to do it and check it each session works for me but would you say the complicated granny knot is better
Plus shallow fishing for carp the no dacron would the line cut into the Elastic quicker
Great video 👍
@paulsomersetwolf5970 we found the lasso method caused a strangulation situation and made the cutting through worse. But it's whatever works for you Paul and if you are checking it every time out then that method won't let you down 🤟 I think its worse when people leave them unchecked for weeks at a time
Dont use any used fly line backing since ian heaps showed me years ago bought one spool I probably 30 years brilliant way of doing it tried dacron didnt like it
Besd for me elastic pasts longer
Bead, lasts
I like a Dacron, I'm so paranoid, I could tow a truck with my elastic connection. If I used a bead I'd tie 20 knots or more.
Or just go and buy some short dacron connectors from matrix , and save a load of money !
Aren't they nearly a fiver for five?
Why complicate your life? You use a Stonfo and go.
Three turn granny knot is the only way, never less than three turns and your rig will never come off, the elastic would cut before the rig slippedoff
Think it's when I use 0.22mm it doesn't sinch down as much