Recording a Chamber Orchestra with Brent Fischer & Matt Brownlie! (FREE MULTITRACKS!)
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Orchestra Credits:
Song: Stav - Hold On
Orchestra Produced, Arranged, and Conducted by Brent Fischer
Orchestra Engineer: Matt Brownlie
The Brent Fischer Orchestra:
Elizabeth Wilson, Rocio Marron - Violins
Robert Berg - Viola
Kevan Torfeh - Cello
Oscar Hidalgo - Contrabass
Alex Budman - Bass Clarinet
Loren Marsteller - Baritone Horn
Production Assistants: Claris Dodge
Recorded at Fever Studios in North Hollywood, California
Today, we are at Fever Studio in North Hollywood, with the wonderful Brent Fischer and Matt Brownlie, and they are going to show us how they record an orchestra. We get asked a lot about strings and brass and orchestral stuff, so it was really great to get to come down so they could show us how they do it!
This is a change from the stuff we have done with Brent before, because this is a true chamber orchestra. There is only one person on a part, so nobody gets a chance to have anyone to fall back on. There are some truly amazing players on this song, and they all stand on their own and will sound amazing on the track! Brent says this set up is a very intimate setting, but it was the right way to proceed for the song. His goal was to bring out the emotion of the song in the end, and this was the best way to do that.
In this session, we have a string quartet, contra bass, bass clarient, and euphonium. Matt Brownlie has set up the mics in a way that will capture this recording perfectly! He has used a variety of Royer mics, Neumann mics, and AEA mics. It was great to see how he worked and how he chose which mics he wanted where and his strategy behind capturing the best sound possible.
It was so much fun to be a part of this recording session, and we hope you enjoy it as much as we did!
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Do you have any tips & tricks for recording strings?
melodyne
If you're using plugins, automate the volume up & down to emulate a real string section. My music went up a bunch of notches when I started doing that.
I do, but only thanks to this video. Cheers
I have not! Which is why this channel is so marvellous!
As mentioned in the video - get the best people you can in the room. and not tooo many coffee breaks :)
Fabulous. Thanks to everyone for inviting us along to watch, listen and learn.
Thanks ever so much Gordon!!
Thank you Warren, Matt Brownlie and Brent Fischer for letting me in on this session. I found myself glued to every second of it!
Thanks ever so much Ed!!
OMG, this channel just keeps getting better and better. Cheers from Colombia, Warren!
Wow, thanks!
Glad to see I'm not the only one from Colombia here.
@@heavymetalmixer91 of course you are not! Haha Many, many talented people from Colombia!
The level of musicianship at play here is just astonishing! - What a treat. So interesting to see how the different parts comes and goes. The art of arrangement on display here is awesome. To let the instruments and players complement each other instead of just going full steam ahead is what I find the most difficult when writing music. Can't wait to hear the finished track with the band and vocal in place. Thank you all for this!
You're funny
Thanks ever so much Jens!
Great to see the way everyone works together here, owning errors, making suggestions, asking questions etc, good team work.
Thanks Warren (and everyone else) for making this available to us. ;0)
Thanks ever so much my friend
I’m glad to be able to help!!
@@Producelikeapro Oh believe me Warren, you've helped one heck of a lot !
On top of that, you and the team (and the academy members) make learning a fun experience.
Stay safe ! and thank you.
Marvelous! My first viewing of what goes into recording a chamber orchestra. Extremely interesting, I didn't realize how complex it is. Hats off to the studio musicians and their skills.
Thanks ever so much John!
So much fun listening to these fantastic musicians. Brent and Matt work so well together. Thanks Warren. Thanks Brent and Matt for letting us look over your shoulders. :)
Thanks ever so much David! Yes, they work so well together
Glad to see this - it's an area that doesn't get much attention on the net and in courses. Thanks Warren!
Just love this!! Can't beat live strings!! Great to see this on your channel Warren! Really appreciate it.
Thanks ever so much
I've been looking forward to something like this! This is awesome, thanks ever so much Warren!
Hi Odin! Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm a newbie professor in a popular music department on the other side of the globe. You saved my life in teaching so, so many times. it's only fair I show my gratitude for your true hearted work.
Wow! Thanks ever so much! I really appreciate it. Where are you based?
@@Producelikeapro Taiwan!!!
Thank you so much Warren! Wonderful video! And thank you so much for the multitracks!
Thanks ever so much Alexey!
Wow, how amazing it is that this video pops up when I'll be recording a chamber orchestra this weekend... Perfect timing!
Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, and a little scary. I might possibly be able to write the parts like this by ear, but there is no way I could score them, conduct them, or read them. Fascinating insight though, helping break down the process in real terms, being able to hear the isolated chamber orchestra, and seeing/hearing how individual parts were built. A lot less complex harmonic arrangement between each voice when heard like this, than expected from orchestra. So much fun, too. I think I'll download the multitracks for ideas as much of for the sonic content. BTW, don't mess withe first violin, there's a reason she wears black :-)
Very inspiring to see such capable musicians in the studio
Hi Scott! Thanks ever so much!
Man. Warren works harder than anyone. Unbelievable work ethic. A true Mentor!
Thanks ever so much Bob!! You Rock!
Warren, thanks so much for sharing this, felt like I was not worthy enough to be in a room with such insane talent. Such a privilege to see these great musicians at work.
Thanks ever so much! Glad you enjoyed it!
You’ve oudone yourself with this one, Warren. Brent’s arranging, rehearsing & conducting are top notch, as are the musicians he assembled, starting with a kick-ass 1st violinist. Great combo of instruments - bass clarinet, what a treat! Loved hearing Matt’s thoughts on miking and recording this project. Favorite moment: Brent going though that close-harmony 3rd inversion chord note by note with everyone! Thanks so much for taking the time to do this and for making the multitracks available as well.
What refreshingly different content! Really interesting stuff, reminds us that there is more to recording than the usual drums, bass, guitar and vocals. Lovely stuff.
Brings me back to my days of playing orchestral music. Nice playing everyone!
Thanks ever so much
Worked for an orchestra my first two years out of college (1992-1994) and got to help out with a couple of recordings with period instrument players. Both were done in small concert venues in NYC. I seem to recall one space wasn't even open for concerts, pretty run down, seating wise, but the stage was useable and the space sounded great.
Beautiful! Thank you ever so much! ;) Have a glorious weekend.
WHOAAA this is so exciting!
Thanks ever so much
I am so scared on behalf of these incredible musicians and yet they handle the pressure so gracefully and perfectly. So many things can go wrong, itchy nose, need to cough or sneeze, a nagging pea. I really wish that these people are richly remunerated by the greater recording and commercial world, they are each stars in their own right, no doubt.
This is excellent, Warren.
I think it's important to share with engineers/producers/musicians that there are entire genres of music they won't even come close to in their careers, which might be enlightening to how vast the possibilities of our collective crafts are.
Dig it!
Thank you so very much! I followed your channel to become a better mixer and I have but I have gained so much more. You have truly broadened my musical horizon with all the wonderful things you share!
Wow! You are so welcome! Thanks ever so much!
I love watching this kind of stuff. I've watched pretty much all of the Chesky sessions with Michael Fremer and I'm always amazed at the composer or director. Amazing knowledge & great ears.
knowledge I get here always attracts me with curiosity and the only youtube channel / person [warren ] I trust to learn all this from
I’ve actually halfway through my internship at Clear Lake & Fever Recording Studios and I just came across this video wondering why the setup looks so familiar. We have an SSL Duality now since the old SSL console required so much maintenance. But the studio is such a great room!
Thank you so much for this! I never mixed anything like this!
You're so welcome!
Hello, Chris. I have to say, it wan't until I started recording orchestra and jazz ensembles that I was able to wrap my head around the mixing aspect!
Very cool to see this kind of setup covered
Hi Scott! Thanks ever so much!
Absolutely fabulous insight. Thank you Warren and team as ever to opening the doors. Marty
Fantastic video! You had to mention Brent is the son of the legendary composer/arranger, Claire Fischer and Brent is also a Grammy-winning composer/arranger himself like his father on the details. But except that, really informative and great video! The music is great and you even give away FREE MULTITRAKCS! Thanks so much, Warren!
I'm a young musician with a humble home studio in Venezuela, Here I record myself with my flute but also strings and winds. See this is very inspiring and I would love to learn more, especially the after recording process, how you mix, how you deal with the editing process, how much you edit in terms of pitch and rhythm. Thank you so much for this great video Warren!!
Thank you Warren for the opportunity to touch the recordings of the chamber orchestra. And separately for the video about the recording.
been looking for something like this. Thank you Warren, as I would suspect you to say:"Absolutely Marvellous" ;)
Thanks Jonas! Yes, marvellous!!
So much information and material to think about! Great work as always!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@Producelikeapro My pleasure!
Thank you so much for this amazing opportunity!
I love this channel. Thanks to all involved
Glad you enjoy it! Thanks ever so much!
Ahhh this brings back fond and terrifying memories! Nothing like ruining a take and sticking your hand up and saying sorry I cocked up :D
Warren you did it again man!!!! I love this man’s work along with his father on,around the world in a day when people just think having a string plugin can cut it!! Sorry but in my opinion no!! Please listen to these masters!! Outstanding Warren🙏🏽
Thanks, Darren!
Sorry Matt I thought this was on Warren’s channel my apologies bless you sir this is so inspiring 🙏🏽
Thanks ever so much Darren! Yes, Brent and Matt are both incredibly talented guys!!
@@matthewbrownlie7988 you Rock!
@@Producelikeapro Thanks, Warren! Likewise!
Produce Like A Pro amazing! Thanks for sharing this Warren
Thanks ever so much!!
Excellent video. Sounds like an amazing track.
Absolutely love this content. Thank you so so much PLAP.
This so gorgeous. Thank you all!
Thanks ever so much! Glad you like it!
I wish I could have watched content like this back in the mid 90's when I started my now totally out of date (ADATs) studio! Especially with Warren, a most excellent Instructor! I bought the Bill Gibson "Hit Sound Recording Course". I learned some very good and sound techniques. But if this content was available, the demos, interviews, downloadable tracks, ALL of it, the learning curve would have been so much better! I enjoy all your videos and thank your for taking the time to bring them to us.
I like how he describes swing. Not enough of that in popular music these days in my opinion. Bonham had natural swing in his playing while playing straight rock.
Yes, wonderful explanation!
Fabulous stuff!!
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Thanks ever so much
Great to see more than one musician recording. Synergy in numbers...
Top video 💯❤️
The slap tonguing on that bass clarinet was awesome to hear!
Fantastic! I need to watch the video again, when I'm a little less tired.
Great video once again
Thanks ever so much Dayan!
At the moment they finished, Conductor was like, let me go listen, me I was like, Bravo Bravo.
Fascinating beyond all belief. I was unaware that you could do a reasonable punch on such a large section of musicians. I guess that's where that talent thing comes in...Seeing how the conductor goes about getting the talent to work together was amazing. Wish there was a little detail about how the headphone mix was coordinated since it's so important that each player know what the others are doing, extremely nuanced .
That's the stuff Warren! Love it!
Thanks Roy! Glad you like it!
Wow!thanks for this awesome course,love from Nepal..
Thanks for this. I feel like there are so many rock, pop, hip hop, and other main stream tutorials and such out there. I'm a jazz and classical crossover guy. So this is awesome to me.
Thank s so much Warren Huart, this is pure gold like all your videos. The musicianship was off the scale on this one 🔥🔥🔥
Great stuff. Thanks for sharing.
That was very interesting! Thank you Warren and team
Such pro's !!
Thanks ever so much!
What a treat! Great video and a great learing experience to watch! Would it be possible to get the score also with the multi tracks? That would be fantastic!
That's marvellous
Finally something i can relate to.
This is my area of recording.
Orchestras, jazz, theatre and classical pipe organ. Though not sure about the actual music. Need to hear it in context.
There's a two track for th rest of the music included in the download!
Nicely recorded tracks. Very impressive! The tracks sound much better than what comes across in the YT video. Thank you to everyone for providing these.
Can you do a video on mixing this or similar chamber orchestra in conjunction with the rhythm section bed, Warren? Are there panning conventions and considerations, etc? Do the pros try to honor the recorded sound, judiciously use EQ, or ... ? What's acceptable, what's horrifying to the performers?
The tracks in the video are in the room from the camera mic. The tracks you downloaded are Matt’s recording
Yes, we can do a video with Matt! There is already a couple with him where he mixes orchestra
Very interesting such a classic production.
I would be interested in editing in the daw.
Where which instruments are cut and how to get the staggering with reverb and hall, delay ..
That would be very interesting! 😉
I love that sound. I have several SSD with orchestra samples and love these types of illustrations which allow me to watch and hear the different articulations, so I can translate that on keyboard to my projects. Thank you Warren for this one.
amazing stuff...how many thanks....🎶🎶🎸🎸👍👍👍
that was fun!
Thanks ever so much
This is GREAT stuff.
Thanks ever so much Aaron!
Great video here... thank you Warren... and I enjoy your other vids too. I am starting in learn orchestral and small ensemble recording. Question: How is the mic placement in this session accounting for phase? I'm always concerned about phase relationships in the pop music realm (with drums especially), and my curiosity is definitely piqued after watching this lesson. I'm eager to hear some replies regarding this.
I do now !! Not really...i can watch/listen to this all day.....so , much cooperation and talent interacting.
Excellent i love rock , soul and pop but im getting into adding string arrangements into my songs with sample libraries . Id love to see some content on recording realist string arrangements using samples .
Thanks!❤️🔥
Thanks ever so much!
Great video!
It's really therapeutic watching this, but it'll be a nightmare on the conducting stage lol
I can imagine! Thanks ever so much!
Brilliant, Thank you,. Couldn’t quite tell if the cello was close miked and if the double bass was through an amp?
very interesting one.
they are good, but it takes a lot of work to put it all together, when it should be funky, but you have mainly classic experience in the people you can hire easily.
no doubt, after oversleeping haha, - top notch production!
Warrren shows us how humble but serious it starts, and how beautifully far it goes, because it goes right.
Ha, I dig this stuff!
Thanks ever so much Mike!
@@Producelikeapro i was trying to figure out what they were playing to, lol..i was thinking Procol Harum! ha
Thanks for this one. Sounds good.
What are they details on the multi-track files. They're all in stereo and I wondered if they were the raw audio or pre-mixed bounces. Maybe a combo the close mic and the room mics?
Pre-mixed...not based on the final mix levels which we didn't have access to. Room mics were separately stemmed out.
Would love to see you check out "Futura Productions" and interview John Weston in Roslindale, MA. Really nice studio with an AMAZING live room I'm sure you would really enjoy.
A little bit different, but also Mike Shinodas studio as well would be a neat little tour.
Futura does beautiful work!
Matt is 7' tall.
I'm 6 1, I think he 6 7?
@@Producelikeapro Yeah, 6 7, Warren!
@@matthewbrownlie7988 great! I thought that’s what you told me!
Are the files the full meal deal or just the Orchestra parts?
Is the finished product available to listen to yet.
I will check! Thanks ever so much!
As an amateur violin and cello player, I wonder why a lot of time here, the individual string players play in opposite bow direction to the rest of the strings section, is it intentional?
now i can pull an Al Schmitt on this one, NO eq,No compression😉
Exactly!
@@Producelikeapro Yes, I usually don't use any eq or comp for this sort of thing.
Thanks warren.we become better
Sounds like a Bond theme
How difficult it is to maintain the same velocity in a live performance isn't!?👍 nothing better than have fun in pro tools
The room sound very dry, the studio reminds of a studio for pop music and not so much for classical....but hey maybe I'm spoiled by recording live classical music in Great Concert halls such as Muziekgebouw 'tIJ in Amsterdam etc
Yes, this was a tight room for this sort of recording.
Hi Warren, I didn't know your alter ego is Brent Fisher? :D
I think it would work better if you'd put the name of your guest/person you are talking to under the actual person. ;)
Wow, great to hear something different Warren, you can't beat the real instruments. I love the bass clarinet (we use clarinet here too).
I would really love it if you could treat the PLAPers to a lesson on brass sections in pop / soul / big band genre (think of in the UK for example - Jools Holland at the 'big band' end, but maybe just a 4 piece section like you might use in soul or funk). We record saxophone on nearly everything and there's very little advice online on how to record and mix. If it's not your thing maybe one of your many pals in the biz!?
Thanks for this - excellent!
Hmm, I think the last 4 piece horn section I tracked was for JYP in Westlake Studio D. That would be a fun episode. Usually, those types of sessions are cool, especially working with A-listers. I’ve noticed horn overdubs to be quicker and more intense than strings.
@@matthewbrownlie7988 Matthew that would be brilliant!
I miss the practicing sessions. Zoom is just not the same.
Me and my friend have re-started composing a few weeks ago... now he struggles to record his bassoon. :/
Maybe we will see each other in the summer and maybe we'll be able to have it being performed live. But until then... trying to make the best of mediocre recordings so far.
I was so excited, only to find out it was going to be ultra-close-miked in a small, dead-sounding studio, so could never possibly sound good no matter what microphones (let alone preamps) were used. And even though the musicians are probably professional, rushed situations like this with zero rehearsal and being led by someone with zero conducting skills is not conducive to producing beautiful, subtle, nuanced, or compelling music, nor even efficiently bringing it up to a decent level of coherent music-making. The result is mediocre-sounding with an amateurish musical result. This result may be fine as barely-audible background to some band, especially if on an extremely limited budget, but it's not really helpful advice for how to record (or rehearse) a chamber ensemble, or to make use of professional musicians. (Local college students could have sounded just as good.)
In the context of the song, it mostly sounds like something that could have been done much faster and cheaper with a sampler's default orchestral instrument patches, with no overall loss of quality.
A better video for this topic might be "Audio Setup for Chamber Music Recording" from Adam Lansky (chronicling a video session for members of the Portland Chamber Orchestra), though unfortunately we don't get to hear what the final result sounds like. But even the internal camera mics sound better than this, and of course the musicianship is on a completely different level. (There are some other similar videos of recording setup for various orchestras around the world.)
To illustrate the difference between this and a very good sounding chamber music recording with great musicianship, listen to the video "Beethoven - Septet in E-flat major, Op. 20 | Concertgebouworkest" (though the video freezes after 14 minutes). Though even the sound there isn't perfect: for my taste the violin is slightly shrill, and there isn't enough viola or cello. (But I think they just recorded it with two microphones.)
For a really great violin (and piano) sound - and playing!!! - listen to Clara-Jumi Kang playing Schumann's Violin Sonata from her "Schumann and Brahms" album with pianist Yeol Eum Son. (This is just for context about the huge contrast between a really fantastic recording and musicianship vs what we're seeing and hearing here.)
The point is: start with great musicians, great instruments, and a great room with great mic placement. Without any of these elements, you might as well use $25 mics and the cheapest interface you can get your hands on, because without a good start, even $50,000 mics and $5,000 preamps and converters aren't going to do much for your sound. If you can't get these things, and it's just background for other music or a video project, you might actually do better with a sample library, which WAS recorded in a great-sounding space etc.
But on the other hand, this is a pretty good look at how such a session typically goes when it's run in this manner...
Glad to see your not buying into the mask scam... great tracks, THANKS!
What refreshingly different content! Really interesting stuff, reminds us that there is more to recording than the usual drums, bass, guitar and vocals. Lovely stuff.