Well sir this is really used vehicle 101. If you are looking to buy a vehicle and the seller refuses to allow you to inspect the vehicle, or have the vehicle inspected, then that is a deal breaker. And a lot of the time we get emotional about buying these vehicles as we always wanted one, and now we have a chance to get one and they are oh so pretty but hide a lot of structural problems that have been repaired in such a way to just get it out the door. As Kiwi stated "Buyer beware".
They took a $2,500 car, put a $500 paint job, some Bilstein shocks and a few other things they could point out, then sold it for $45,000. That's theft by deception as far as I'm concerned. And the price makes it a felony. I'd be filing a lawsuit and pressing charges against these crooks
@moparnut part of theft by deception defines selling fraudulent merchandise while giving the impression its real falls into this category, they sold a vehicle on the terms of it being 100% repaired/restored to/better than factory specifications. And its clearly not. Hope this helps you better understand why they said that.
Well done Kiwi in naming these crooks, they should be held accountable & jailed for putting peoples lives at risk. I wouldn't be buying anything from AP VINTAGE MOTORS & neither should anyone else. Cheers & stay safe🙂
I noticed the Marines plate on the front. I’m thinking a retired vet bought this as a present to himself. A word of caution - classic muscle cars are best avoided unless you are very mechanically inclined. I made the same mistake but at 21, and for a lot less $. That’s at least a teachable moment. Spending part of your retirement on a gift to yourself and then realizing you’ve been taken is not a teachable moment, it’s just a gut wrenching and heartbreaking loss.
You are spot on!! Having that conversation with him is the worst part of this job. I had a customer that was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, also a vet and his kids bought him a 57 tbird as his final gift and it was just as bad as this Mustang. That was a conversation I'll not soon forget. We decided to keep that information from his kids as they'd tried to do something special for him and the dealer wasn't going to take that from them. Quite few very late nights later I got it into a workable state so he could at least enjoy it for a little while...........
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What makes it even worse is the price they paid for the car. I looked up the company and under their sold cars, They had this very car. It sold for $44900. For that money I would expect the car to be in much better condition.
@@jimamizzi1 A lot of people are not car people. They like the look and feel of driving a vintage car, but know little when it comes to structure and all. So they look on the vintage car websites. The website for this company was very well done. All the cars were slick and shiny, they had good reviews unless you looked deeper. Since most people's experience with buying cars is from a new car dealership, they assume these vintage cars are going to be in like new condition. Well they are not.
@@jimamizzi1 People see that a dealership is selling the vehicle and they mistakenly believe that laws exist to prevent a dealership from selling structurally deficient vehicles like this. Then they learn the hard way that this isn't the case...
OMG are you kidding. Not trying to be a jerk but I paid 24k for my 64.5, granted it's not a convertible but it's solid all the way around. The inspection magnet showed next to nothing. No rust at all and the motor was fairly hot. It's on my channel if you want to take a look. That price blows me away.
I'm 70 years old. My Sister bought a 68 from Rockville Ford in the DC area. We use to call them " Rustangs ". Those Crooks took a rusted up junker and did a Crapjob cover-up. Like you said, looks nice from a distance. Wait till the Rust starts to show thru where it was hidden. So sad to see this. A friend of a friend was looking at a Car from those Crooks, but when they made it near impossible to do a PPI, he said his gut feeling told him NO . They love their Pop Rivets. Can see a gaggle of them in the Drivers side lower Fender. Good job sir.
It is the same thing with houses. People look at the cosmetics, but not at the structure. People are more concerned about the color of the countertop and the smell of new paint than with structural integrity and design. There are always people who take advantage of that knowledge, and sell what people are looking at, and then those who purchased find they got screwed.
I always laugh at people on TV who are recorded giving their impression of the house they Looking to buy. They pass on the house because the color of the walls and rugs 😅😅 I bought a house that was not selling the main reason was the interior painting. The wife painted the hallway Grey with pink ceiling and other rooms dark brown it had a huge kitchen 2 full bathrooms fully tiled. Big basement out to a big 2 car garage. I bought it 195,000 in 2001 I painted the interior blinged out the bathrooms. No repair were needed except a water heater. I sold 4 years later for 349,000.00 and got full price.
Great video Kiwi. I’ve learned a lot from your videos about what to look out for on these older cars and how they go together. Sad that this person got saddled with a car that’s not even safe to drive. Thanks again for the info. Glad there’s guys like you out that are willing to call out these dealerships and sellers for the poor work they try to hide! 👍🏻
You are right, this is commonplace. I remember my first car , a 68 Chevelle needing the frame fixed and that was when the car was less than 20 years old and a full frame car. Fact is these cars are ancient by this point and patch jobs like this is very very common, heck it was common 30 plus years ago. Buyer beware and if you can’t prove everything is good them expect the worst. Had this Mustang been much much cheaper I would think, oh well….but for big money that was paid this is criminal in my view and I hope the owner pursues some recourse. It would cost a fortune to redo this car, and we haven’t even talked about the drivetrain. Shamefull.
@@peterl2017 yup. he'd be paying around 80k for a 35k car on its best day. And in that case a guy could go out and buy a professionally done LSpowered Pro tour car from the 60/70s. I feel bad for the guy or gal.
@@ILoveFossilFuel Just looking at the pictures, let alone asking an expert for advice would have helped without even seeing the car. Go to the website and look at the pictures.
Strange how many of these Mustangs seem to be like this. My neighbor has a sixties Mustang he's selling for $7,000, and there's another one in a junkyard not too far from me that he's not going to crush (not sure what he'd want for it though,) but both of them, at the very least, are fairly solid, all original cars. It's very strange to me how a lot of people will jump to spend far more money on what, in my opinion, are much worse vehicles. I mean I've done some crappy repairs in my time, booger welds on a $450 pickup truck to get the bedside to stop flopping around, spot welding and mudding old roofing tin to a body panel on a $500 car, but these are all vehicles that I consider myself to be the final owner of, not stuff that I expect to last long enough to sell, and especially not stuff I intend to deceive people into thinking has been restored. If I was to sell one of my cars that I've done that kind of work to, I'd probably want somewhere between $200 and $1,200, depending on the vehicle and how badly I've worn it out. I would take one of those over some of these weld practice sheets being sold as cars.
I have parts of an old grill lid self tappered and glued to my quarter panels lol. Going to scrap the car on Saturday been driving it a year and beating it up good
Great video! Sad to see this kind of butchery. Personally, I would never buy a car online, especially a classic one, without getting up close to see the bones. It's like someone put frosting on a turd cake.
Hey Kiwi. Definitely with you here, very bodgey job. Their claim "Oh its a 50+ year old car" holds no water, unlike all those body gaps. If it was sold as a 50yo project at a project price, fair enough. Did I spy a big bow and gap in that left hand floor pan to rocker seam under the door at 6:19 ? Repairs, either do them right, or not at all. Would certainly not pass an Aussie RWC or NZ WOF like that.
And for sure it would not pass the Austrian tech inspection.The oilleak alone i saw would prohibit it,not to speak about the rust and the unprofessional repair attempts. At the moment they check for +/- 250 different items. Every year.
Agree. Yes it's a 50yo car but it's a $2k project rolling shell not a $45k 'classic'. Just the price infers a structurally sound, driving legal car with no major issues or parts missing
Pathetic. It would NEVER pass a safety inspection here in Canada.Patches are ok I guess IF the welding is done completely and properly and this car is a scab job. Time to get 20 angry customers together and call out this stealership.
Just imagine trying to get that on the road if you imported it into New Zealand. Not having a metal roof makes all this so much more dangerous as that floor and surrounding structure from the front to the back of the vehicle is all that is holding it together in the middle. Add in ferrous oxide custom crumple zones and you're dead in a crash.
These cars up in the northern rust belt were piles of rust when they were 10 years old. I guess with the increases in prices, they're being "repaired" enough so they can get by. This one isn't as bad as the ones around me. A good welder and someone grinding off all the bondo and undercoating could make this safe in my opinion. The undercoating is the red flag I never ignore. I've seen vehicles from old Jeeps to classics with that crap on the bottom and that's a deal breaker.
I'm in Ohio and know something about rust too. If you see undercoating on something is it a deal breaker b/c it may be hiding something or is it the moisture it could hold and will rust down the road?
I have a few of those in my Shop right now...dodgy 'body work' covered with shiny paint and retailed for five or six figures. The Worst was a 'restored' Merc convertible (1964) for $300,000. Some of the Worst crap i have ever seen covered in paint. I have two separate Merc Coupes which had been bought by unsuspecting buyers ,One didn't have a floor! which came in for a tune up and I couldn't lift it on the hoist. The other one caught fire because of 50 year old fuel lines breaking .and the owner paid $30,000 for it. But on the other hand I told a mate hear in OZ to fly to the US to check out a classic car .He was glad he did as it was advertised online as a convertible,but was actually a tudor with the roof cut off!.
Just another lesson in getting someone qualified to check out your prospective purchase. A few hundred up front can save thousands down the line. Great vid. A mate had a saying for cars like this - he used to call them "mudguards" - shiny on top but sh*t underneath".
I went to their website and several other reporting agencies like the BBB. A lot of the reviews stated that AP wouldn't allow any of the 3rd party mechanics do an inspection. For me, that would've been a major red flag and I would've ran. But unfortunately a lot of the buyers aren't savy to this stuff and are getting taken advantage of and being ripped off. What's even worse is AP is requiring a $500 nonrefundable deposit.
I think I got lucky. Last month I bought a 65 Corvair (sight unseen) from an acquaintance in Indiana. I'm in AZ. I was sent a boatload of pictures, all of which looked good. When I got the car, it was all that he said, and more. Probably because the seller and I are both in the same Corvair club, the seller was honest. I was really on pins and needles waiting for its arrival, but I actually got more car than I paid for. I feel sorry for the ones who get ripped off. It does the automotive community no good to have shady people selling junk.
Man this makes me feel like SOMEONE should do a video on what to look for, for people that would buy something like this. Looking at you Kiwi about making that video. This one is a peach. I couldn't even ever understand coming to the conclusion this person did making these repairs.
Well sir Kiwi does a video on what to look for every time he posts these types of videos. Unfortunately, it is such a situation where we have closed the barn door after the horse got out so to speak. With all the information out here on You Tube and other channels it would behoove someone looking for one of these "restored" beauties to view them as part of the educational process to have an idea of what to look for.
My pop use to buy old mustangs and would pour water down the cowl vents in front of the windscreen. Often water would flow into the interior footwells, a clear sign of rust-through. A repair would involve cutting holes into the top of the cowl or removing the fenders to gain access from the side.
A few months ago I bought a running, '84 GT 350 5.0 5 speed carbureted convertible. Completely original and unmolested. Not a speck of rust anywhere. Not in the floors, not in the towers. I paid $5500. I think I scored.
I was looking for a Mustang convertible years ago. I always had GM products, with full frames, or the unibody had subframes. Possible to take it apart and fix it properly. The Stangs I looked at? All were so rotted, and seeing that the skills to properly fix them? The time? You'd have to make a fixture? One as soon as I opened the door, you can see the body bend.
Unfortunately people who don’t know usually do not want to pay for someone to take a look at it for them. Also a mechanic isn’t the one you want. You need a body guy to look.
That's one of the best mustang's I've ever seen. Had a half dozen of them and after a few years of being new they would fall apart. Springs came up through the trunk, floorboards and tork boxes like paper ,front springs came up through the towers. This one is almost new. He he . That is one reason that the rare good ones are expensive. Good video . Thanks
Hi Kiwi, Another Proper Video, Thanks so others can learn... Its Junk! Can't even tell if it was a first timers Bad Job to Sell or another Scammer Flip? How do they Sleep? Cheers!
Thanks Kiwi its a shame that these people can get away with this kind a business. Profits before conscience makes me wonder how do they sleep at night.
Bottom line, don't be a moron. Learn about what's right, what's wrong & go to where the vehicle's at & put eyes & hands on it yourself. If you don't, you deserve what you get. The Danny Deepockets & Dick Dastardly's are who drove & keep driving up prices. If you don't know what you're doing, buy a Kia & be happy. Again, no pity.
That car ain't bad they didn't wanna pay 500k to drive a very close to drivable car the 500k will make it factory new again but kiwi straight tripping on this one just Iverson the customer not wanting a whole frame off
I agree with your assessment on this vehicle. I would demand an inspection by a professional appraiser before any purchase over the internet. Enjoy your pointing out areas that need careful inspection prior to purchase! Thx!
Hi Kiwi, always appreciate your evaluation of cars. Have a question for you, i own a 67 convertible like this one and purchased a set of the taillight applique panels for it. Do you have any tips for installing them? I know they replace the turnsignal bezels on both sides but have no directions on where to drill the other mounting holes. Would you think my best option is to make cardboard copies and mark the holes on my taillight panel? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
He is going to say take it somewhere like his shop so they can charge 5k and tell you it needs 800k to be "safe" and factory new .....not knocking the hustle knocking his pettiness for being angry a customer didn't wanna spend that kinda cash and 2 years on a car that's 96% drivable now and keeping it 100 with u homie
Thank you! I find these kind of videos very informative. A lot of us might be in the market but far from experts so these vids are a good starting point on what sort of things to look for before we even have it inspected
I call them M & M cars...a shiny colorful coating on the outside with a soft brown inside. My first car was one of those. Expensive lesson for a kid in 1973, but my next car was carefully checked out underneath, and I still have it 50 years later.
These are the types of shoddy repairs I would have expected to be done in someone's home garage or at a buddy's shop when cars like this were 15 to 20 year old rusted-out junkers worth 100 or 200 bucks and they just needed to be kept on the road one more year until they could save up to buy a new car. The fact that now people are throwing on nice paint jobs and refinishing the interiors, all while letting the underneath and mechanics of these vehicles remain in an absolute shamble, is frankly really disturbing. These aren't $200 cars anymore, more like 20 to 40,000 $ before you even start thinking about buying one today. Once you know a little bit about these cars, it's pretty easy to start spotting the issues... But most people who buy stuff like this will only ever get it inspected if there's a problem. I'm sure there's plenty of people who drive their car to go get ice cream and then down to the car show and that's the only time they ever drive there classic... meanwhile the whole thing's a structural disaster probably waiting to fall apart if it's ever driven in the rain or hit a pothole. It's really sad that these things have gone up so much in cost, and it seems like the actual real value of so many examples is just decreasing with such shoddy work everywhere. I really appreciate the fact that you continue to showcase these vehicles, and I desperately hope that they're making it to the non-car people who are thinking about buying these either as a fun weekend toy or as an investment and make them reconsider or at least get pre purchase inspections.
This is dangerous and ought to be criminal charges involved against seller....basically a colinder with structural bondo....good on you for calling them out
That scares me to buy another classic. I guess it depends what the guy paid. The foundation isn’t good though. I expect maybe a cheap floorboard patch as long as I can have it replaced correctly but stuff like rails and torque boxes? I’d walk.
Great video. Shame your client got taken. Visited their website and looked at ads for several vehicles, including a couple of Mustangs. Conveniently, the pictures are all up top with virtually no pictures of the underside of bodies or suspension/drivetrain areas. The few there were are middle of floor pans, which are often solid regardless of condition of rockers and quarters. That speaks volumes about how they operate.
That's as good as if I tried! Really enjoying the education, thanks. In the UK if you buy from a dealer there's consumer law, it must be" sold as described and fit for it's purpose for a reasonable amount of time ". Still get problems but it's a decent place to start.
I had a 68 Rag top too, and every time that mustang went up on the hoist, I measure the door opening, expecting it to snap in half at any moment. |Glad it got melted down for lawn furniture.
I have a 1963 Falcon that my father bought for me almost 50 years ago. It is an Oklahoma car originally and had a lot of floorboard rust. This is a common problem with Fords of that era.
Always have a classic auto inspected and put up on a rack , for a thorough inspection , before purchasing , no matter how stunning it looks top side !!!
Happy Wednesday Kiwi and fellow Kiwiians! Yeah. I agree. Thats a car I'm going to go after eventually and that car would be passed right by...Then I'll bring that one to Kiwi as well, after our 67 Fastback, that is.
I always watch, just not able to comment as much during summertime. Busy, busy, busy. My wife is better from her surgery, we should see you next spring with the 67 Fastback.
I purchased a 73 cougar up hete in ontario canada there was many many tubes of silicone in sub frame and sprayed with truckbed liner to hide everything
In New Zealand it is! It's called the consumer guarantees act and it basically means that if you sell it, it has be able to do what is intended for. If not you have to fix or refund
My friend own a Mustang restoration company. We have seen this way to many times. At today’s prices a true mustang restoration is about 56-78k. So scumbags buy a rusted out from the rust belt and slap crap on it. If you see a so-called restored Mustang for sale under 30k it’s a rust rust bucket. Quality ain’t cheap Cheap ain’t Quality! No inspection NO SALE!
When we do car at Hot Rod Roadhouse Restorations for a customer we involve their input during the process so they can see what's actually being done. Also when we sell a car we invite the buyer to inspect the car on the lift and we walk through the restoration process. This way the customer can't complain.
You give me a grinder with 4 different wheels/wire wheels, some cardboard and pencil and scissors to cut some patterns, some gloves, a ESAB140, a helmet and goggles, 6 square feet of 18 gauge, a gallon of black rustoleum with 4 paint brushes, $2,000 and two days and I'll have the underside of that Mustang looking so good even the Kiwi man wouldn't holler too much.🤣
Well, I look at those old cars different than most do these days. And my repair, no, it wouldn't be perfect, but you need to know i'm 66 years old, and 45 years ago, I was buying old cars like that for a few hundred dollars and just patching them up and driving the things. I remember in 1976, still in high school, a 65 Mustang a friend named Wayne bought, we put such big tires on it in the back that they would rub on the inner fenders in the back if anyone sat in the backseat. Another example, I bought a 1970 Plymouth Gran Coup Barracuda in 1982 for $500 with a blown up 383 and I took the 440 super commando out of my wrecked GTX and put it in it. In my opinion, none of those cars were that well built, and they were rusting out after only a few years. To try and make them perfect is not really worth it in my opinion. I was really into mopars back then, because they were cheap, so had a few. They were really poorly designed, with tendency to rust in the quarters and bad electronics. As I remember, they would just out a few ballast resistors in a line to cut down voltage -- from the factory! Anyway, I worked on the things enough back then, I just don;t have the illusions about them as others, or maybe ours were just kids cars, bought cheap, worked on by us who half the time didn't really know what we were doing. I guess I'll always think of them like that, sort of just cobbled together even from the factory. And when I see people paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for an old Plymouth, when we used to buy them cheap, I bought a 1971 Plymouth GTX in 1981 in pretty good shape for $1,350. I just think the things are way overpriced. To my mind, those cars were just made to fix and drive. Not to spend $100,000 on and try and make new. That's what I meant with my comment. Yeah, once I was done, you could pick it apart, say it's not perfect, true. But it's just an old Ford, made to be driven,not perfected as some type of almighty goal. But, you do you. I still think the things can be affordable, cheap transportation, not some type of life goal for perfection. But, to each his own as they say. Good luck. I enjoy your channel!@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160
From their website " All of the vehicles that are at our dealership whether consignment or owned go through a rigorous process before sale. -Paint body and then detail. -Interior work if needed. -Mechanical / Safety inspection. -2 mile test drive. Once we are ready to put a vehicle for sale it is turn key! We do not simply re sell a vehicle we put time into each and every one of them. For which we hold a higher standard for our vehicles." Based on this video....total lies~!
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 you absolutely did Kiwi. I missed it. I went back and found it. Good for you for informing the people of the fowl smells abroad! !!
I have done some business in North Carolina before. I have deep family ties there. Actually in the Statesville area. I bought a motorcycle in Statesville in 1978. I am from Montana. That said, buyer beware. I found a great number of businesses there that will bend you over and put sand on the Vaseline before they stick it to you. All because you are not a good Ole boy from NC. There are some fantastic people and businesses, but they are hard to find. This type of buying experience is what I found to be a typical experience buying merchandise or utilizing services in that area of North Carolina. Watch out!
Well without doubt we know you can fix the unibody cars. Your SEMA Stang proves that. Probably the best unibody fabrication ever seen:) You built yours the way it should have been from the factory - great fabrication.
I forgot which classic car you showed of some one who brought a classic car with one of the front floor boards a used refrigerator door.And it still had the name of the refrigerator company on it .I believe it was covered up.
Rule of thumb: Never buy a car over the internet unless it has been inspected by a mechanic that you know and trust. So many people sell classic cars that look like a silk purse on the outside, but when you look beneath the pretty paint and chrome it's just an old sow's ear.
Kiwi, I went to their website this morning. I looked at about 30 of their cars posted. The sad part is that about a fourth of those, when you looked at the photos underneath the car, you could actually see the shoddy patches and bondo.
Wow. Name dropping is important. If you grew up up north where cars were usually badly rotten by they time they were 10 years old back in the 1980's you learned to have a mechanic look at a car before buying. A good bondo sculptor can hide a lot of sins.
That thing would fold like an envelope in a crash absolutely horrific,after 5 or 10 minutes with a screwdriver you'll have a brush and shovel situation . I'd like to run a coin up the door gaps with 4 people in the car. At 8:19 is that a screw or a pop rivet at the bottom of the fender ? Is is there to join it to the tacked on strap?
Yes they do. Quite a bit actually. Inner rockers, beefed up supports in the seat area, extra bracing in the trunk and and B pillars, a rear bulkhead with supports tie ing that to the inner rockers and rear torque box's.
I've seen body's done that way , spot welds , support brackets made of scrap metal, rivets instead of welding or at minimum panel bond. Yes that was done the same as a pure stock dirt car for local circle track racing on dirt. I've built many myself and have seem that many times. That's a 7 thousand dollar car at most and that customer should've been informed it wasn't a quality service or build and that's why price is so low.
Pop riveting the drop downs could have happened at any time in the last 30-40 years. The other repairs look old too. Being in rust country I've been seeing bad repairs on old Mustangs and Fords for a long time. I was seeing stuff like this on these cars 30 years ago. The seller may not have done any of it. But... 99.9% chance they knew about it, bought it cheap because of it and passed it on. Rust bits inside the rails are common place on cars in road salt country. Sometimes it means a serious problem other times no.
The last classic I bought was through Street Side Classics and I was exceptionally pleased,and it was exactly as advertised, been a good few years ago though. You pay a little more, but no disappointments..
Was it flippers like this that started the whole thing about not getting a classic car wet, ever? Some guys won't even wash their cars with a garden hose! If you've got rust in places you can't normally see, and covered in Bondo where you can, never getting it wet will buy some time. Enough time for the check to clear for sure. And yeah, I'd call that car unsafe at any speed.
My first car was a hand-me-down '68. I was driving that car when it was just 8 years old. No idea what the torque boxes looked like, but the panels aft of the rear wheels were rusted thru within a couple years of new. Salt is a horrible thing. Hope that Devil Dog customer of yours gets that one sorted. Cheers!
Kiwi, TH400 does the filter "float" in this transmission, working on my 76 Jeep J10 im close to getting it safe and driveable again, but the trans filter doesnt tighten down, the bolt just has like a few mm between it and it just wiggles .. is this normal for a th400
This same thing is going on really bad on Jeep CJs in the Online Auction world! Be very lery and listen to comments people post trying to help an unsuspecting buyer purchase a Jeep that is a total hack job. These are great videos. Keep posting them.
Lots of buffoonery going on out there. Looking at cars that were recently purchased while wandering "cars & coffee" shows, I'm so happy I built my own. Last Sunday, a 72 Pontiac, owner was talking about oil use and leaks. I got to looking, PCV disabled so power brakes could be hooked up. They even hid the disconnected hose under some other clutter. Dude was planning on rebuilding the engine over the winter.
There was a classic car dealership where my dad lives, actually two of them and both within the last 18 months have went out of business, I wouldn't doubt that they were selling the same polished turds.
Wow what a death trap, can you imagine taking your grandkids out in a ride in that car and someone rear-end you at a red light or crosses the lane and hit you head on that car would fold up and everybody would be either extremely injured or killed, these Crooks ought to be held accountable for their unsafe death traps that they are selling
Yep it's a mess. If the seller claims it is safe and drivable, then they had to have looked at it. I do love that color, and especially what appear to be 14" American Racing Torque Thrust wheels with real tires on them. Thank you for naming these scumbags. But be prepared for a lawsuit. Slime like this has no morals, all they care about is money
First and foremost, they sold that rust bucket to a US solder! For that alone they should be ashamed.. I also noticed they didn't put the fly wheel front cover back on. How the hell do these car sales people sleep at night, I couldn't. But I guess that's why I've never sold cars.
I have a buddy that found a 69 fastback he wanted, he wanted to know what i thought of it. It had a pretty body and I got the owners email addy so I could ask questions about the car. I said to him the car has a beautiful body but I would like to know about under the car. Where is the rust has the floor board been replaced? What of the frame rail in the engine comp have those or do they need replace? Suprise suprise her never answered and stopped communicating with my buddy also. Bullet dodged.
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The moral of the story. If the seller makes it hard to inspect. Run!
Well sir this is really used vehicle 101. If you are looking to buy a vehicle and the seller refuses to allow you to inspect the vehicle, or have the vehicle inspected, then that is a deal breaker. And a lot of the time we get emotional about buying these vehicles as we always wanted one, and now we have a chance to get one and they are oh so pretty but hide a lot of structural problems that have been repaired in such a way to just get it out the door. As Kiwi stated "Buyer beware".
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They took a $2,500 car, put a $500 paint job, some Bilstein shocks and a few other things they could point out, then sold it for $45,000. That's theft by deception as far as I'm concerned. And the price makes it a felony. I'd be filing a lawsuit and pressing charges against these crooks
This is fraud.
That's not theft by deception.
@moparnut part of theft by deception defines selling fraudulent merchandise while giving the impression its real falls into this category, they sold a vehicle on the terms of it being 100% repaired/restored to/better than factory specifications. And its clearly not. Hope this helps you better understand why they said that.
This is Democracy, we the people scare the crooks shitless and they do what they should have done from the beginning and make it right!
i would be suing as wee, this is absolute theft and unsafe
Well done Kiwi in naming these crooks, they should be held accountable & jailed for putting peoples lives at risk. I wouldn't be buying anything from AP VINTAGE MOTORS & neither should anyone else.
Cheers & stay safe🙂
Appreciate you dropping the name so others can be wary.
I noticed the Marines plate on the front. I’m thinking a retired vet bought this as a present to himself. A word of caution - classic muscle cars are best avoided unless you are very mechanically inclined. I made the same mistake but at 21, and for a lot less $. That’s at least a teachable moment. Spending part of your retirement on a gift to yourself and then realizing you’ve been taken is not a teachable moment, it’s just a gut wrenching and heartbreaking loss.
You are spot on!! Having that conversation with him is the worst part of this job. I had a customer that was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, also a vet and his kids bought him a 57 tbird as his final gift and it was just as bad as this Mustang. That was a conversation I'll not soon forget. We decided to keep that information from his kids as they'd tried to do something special for him and the dealer wasn't going to take that from them. Quite few very late nights later I got it into a workable state so he could at least enjoy it for a little while...........
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@@domenicomonteleone3055 cheers mate welcome aboard!😎
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 You are an honorable man.
@@BryanTorok Thankyou sir!
What makes it even worse is the price they paid for the car. I looked up the company and under their sold cars, They had this very car. It sold for $44900. For that money I would expect the car to be in much better condition.
How people are so willing to open their wallet on a $45k car without an inspection is beyond me.
@@jimamizzi1 A lot of people are not car people. They like the look and feel of driving a vintage car, but know little when it comes to structure and all. So they look on the vintage car websites. The website for this company was very well done. All the cars were slick and shiny, they had good reviews unless you looked deeper. Since most people's experience with buying cars is from a new car dealership, they assume these vintage cars are going to be in like new condition. Well they are not.
@@jimamizzi1 People see that a dealership is selling the vehicle and they mistakenly believe that laws exist to prevent a dealership from selling structurally deficient vehicles like this. Then they learn the hard way that this isn't the case...
OMG are you kidding. Not trying to be a jerk but I paid 24k for my 64.5, granted it's not a convertible but it's solid all the way around. The inspection magnet showed next to nothing. No rust at all and the motor was fairly hot. It's on my channel if you want to take a look. That price blows me away.
A lot of people are not car people is so true. A good reason to consult with someone who is, with this kind of money on the line.@@mypointofview6056
I'm 70 years old. My Sister bought a 68 from Rockville Ford in the DC area. We use to call them " Rustangs ". Those Crooks took a rusted up junker and did a Crapjob cover-up. Like you said, looks nice from a distance. Wait till the Rust starts to show thru where it was hidden. So sad to see this. A friend of a friend was looking at a Car from those Crooks, but when they made it near impossible to do a PPI, he said his gut feeling told him NO . They love their Pop Rivets. Can see a gaggle of them in the Drivers side lower Fender. Good job sir.
Way to go AP Vintage Motors LLC. There are some nice Baptist churches around your dealership, why dont you visit one.
I would be afraid to even lift the car up on the hoist with how they scabbed things together
Yes, better to roll it over a pit for the initial inspection to see if there is enough structure to lift it.
It is the same thing with houses. People look at the cosmetics, but not at the structure. People are more concerned about the color of the countertop and the smell of new paint than with structural integrity and design.
There are always people who take advantage of that knowledge, and sell what people are looking at, and then those who purchased find they got screwed.
I always laugh at people on TV who are recorded giving their impression of the house they
Looking to buy. They pass on the house because the color of the walls and rugs 😅😅
I bought a house that was not selling the main reason was the interior painting. The wife painted the hallway Grey with pink ceiling and other rooms dark brown it had a huge kitchen 2 full bathrooms fully tiled. Big basement out to a big 2 car garage. I bought it 195,000 in 2001 I painted the interior blinged out the bathrooms. No repair were needed except a water heater. I sold 4 years later for 349,000.00 and got full price.
Great video Kiwi. I’ve learned a lot from your videos about what to look out for on these older cars and how they go together. Sad that this person got saddled with a car that’s not even safe to drive. Thanks again for the info. Glad there’s guys like you out that are willing to call out these dealerships and sellers for the poor work they try to hide! 👍🏻
The owner needs to contact a lawyer it's definitely not safe and the dealership should be made accountable.
I've worked on only a few classic cars in my life but every single one I saw someone buy has been like this, just miles deep of covered up problems.
I always say, if a guy wants a classic muscle car or hotrod, find one in original condition and build it yourself.
You are right, this is commonplace. I remember my first car , a 68 Chevelle needing the frame fixed and that was when the car was less than 20 years old and a full frame car. Fact is these cars are ancient by this point and patch jobs like this is very very common, heck it was common 30 plus years ago. Buyer beware and if you can’t prove everything is good them expect the worst.
Had this Mustang been much much cheaper I would think, oh well….but for big money that was paid this is criminal in my view and I hope the owner pursues some recourse. It would cost a fortune to redo this car, and we haven’t even talked about the drivetrain. Shamefull.
@@peterl2017 yup. he'd be paying around 80k for a 35k car on its best day. And in that case a guy could go out and buy a professionally done LSpowered Pro tour car from the 60/70s. I feel bad for the guy or gal.
@@ILoveFossilFuel Just looking at the pictures, let alone asking an expert for advice would have helped without even seeing the car. Go to the website and look at the pictures.
Strange how many of these Mustangs seem to be like this. My neighbor has a sixties Mustang he's selling for $7,000, and there's another one in a junkyard not too far from me that he's not going to crush (not sure what he'd want for it though,) but both of them, at the very least, are fairly solid, all original cars. It's very strange to me how a lot of people will jump to spend far more money on what, in my opinion, are much worse vehicles. I mean I've done some crappy repairs in my time, booger welds on a $450 pickup truck to get the bedside to stop flopping around, spot welding and mudding old roofing tin to a body panel on a $500 car, but these are all vehicles that I consider myself to be the final owner of, not stuff that I expect to last long enough to sell, and especially not stuff I intend to deceive people into thinking has been restored. If I was to sell one of my cars that I've done that kind of work to, I'd probably want somewhere between $200 and $1,200, depending on the vehicle and how badly I've worn it out. I would take one of those over some of these weld practice sheets being sold as cars.
I have parts of an old grill lid self tappered and glued to my quarter panels lol. Going to scrap the car on Saturday been driving it a year and beating it up good
In my opinion, they are literally becoming a meme.
Am I the only one who bothers to crawl under a car with my flashlight to look for stuff like this before I buy it?
No not the only one but there certainly isn't enough of you doing that....
Great video! Sad to see this kind of butchery. Personally, I would never buy a car online, especially a classic one, without getting up close to see the bones. It's like someone put frosting on a turd cake.
Hey Kiwi. Definitely with you here, very bodgey job. Their claim "Oh its a 50+ year old car" holds no water, unlike all those body gaps. If it was sold as a 50yo project at a project price, fair enough. Did I spy a big bow and gap in that left hand floor pan to rocker seam under the door at 6:19 ? Repairs, either do them right, or not at all. Would certainly not pass an Aussie RWC or NZ WOF like that.
Lol...........saw that too. The metal looked like a stack of Pringles potato chips.
Probably wouldn't pass a British MOT either.
And for sure it would not pass the Austrian tech inspection.The oilleak alone i saw would prohibit it,not to speak about the rust and the unprofessional repair attempts. At the moment they check for +/- 250 different items. Every year.
We don't like wof's and harsh border checks, but man do they detect shit like this.
Agree. Yes it's a 50yo car but it's a $2k project rolling shell not a $45k 'classic'. Just the price infers a structurally sound, driving legal car with no major issues or parts missing
Pathetic. It would NEVER pass a safety inspection here in Canada.Patches are ok I guess IF the welding is done completely and properly and this car is a scab job. Time to get 20 angry customers together and call out this stealership.
Just imagine trying to get that on the road if you imported it into New Zealand. Not having a metal roof makes all this so much more dangerous as that floor and surrounding structure from the front to the back of the vehicle is all that is holding it together in the middle. Add in ferrous oxide custom crumple zones and you're dead in a crash.
These cars up in the northern rust belt were piles of rust when they were 10 years old. I guess with the increases in prices, they're being "repaired" enough so they can get by. This one isn't as bad as the ones around me. A good welder and someone grinding off all the bondo and undercoating could make this safe in my opinion. The undercoating is the red flag I never ignore. I've seen vehicles from old Jeeps to classics with that crap on the bottom and that's a deal breaker.
I'm in Ohio and know something about rust too. If you see undercoating on something is it a deal breaker b/c it may be hiding something or is it the moisture it could hold and will rust down the road?
@@tchrisou812 Both, plus it can hide stuff like pop riveted patches
@@tchrisou812 Under coating is the worst thing you can put on. It will make it rust way faster
Unless you do it correctly, and keep it to the wheel wells...@@frenchonion4595
And makes a flaming mess when you start to weld it back together correctly!
I have a few of those in my Shop right now...dodgy 'body work' covered with shiny paint and retailed for five or six figures. The Worst was a 'restored' Merc convertible (1964) for $300,000. Some of the Worst crap i have ever seen covered in paint. I have two separate Merc Coupes which had been bought by unsuspecting buyers ,One didn't have a floor! which came in for a tune up and I couldn't lift it on the hoist. The other one caught fire because of 50 year old fuel lines breaking .and the owner paid $30,000 for it.
But on the other hand I told a mate hear in OZ to fly to the US to check out a classic car .He was glad he did as it was advertised online as a convertible,but was actually a tudor with the roof cut off!.
Great video. Detroit never expected their cars would last to begin with. Especially in Northern areas with salt on the roads in winter.
Very true! Thanks for watching
Just another lesson in getting someone qualified to check out your prospective purchase. A few hundred up front can save thousands down the line. Great vid. A mate had a saying for cars like this - he used to call them "mudguards" - shiny on top but sh*t underneath".
I went to their website and several other reporting agencies like the BBB. A lot of the reviews stated that AP wouldn't allow any of the 3rd party mechanics do an inspection. For me, that would've been a major red flag and I would've ran. But unfortunately a lot of the buyers aren't savy to this stuff and are getting taken advantage of and being ripped off. What's even worse is AP is requiring a $500 nonrefundable deposit.
I think I got lucky. Last month I bought a 65 Corvair (sight unseen) from an acquaintance in Indiana. I'm in AZ. I was sent a boatload of pictures, all of which looked good. When I got the car, it was all that he said, and more. Probably because the seller and I are both in the same Corvair club, the seller was honest. I was really on pins and needles waiting for its arrival, but I actually got more car than I paid for. I feel sorry for the ones who get ripped off. It does the automotive community no good to have shady people selling junk.
Exactly as you stated - UNSAFE! 🤕
Man this makes me feel like SOMEONE should do a video on what to look for, for people that would buy something like this. Looking at you Kiwi about making that video. This one is a peach. I couldn't even ever understand coming to the conclusion this person did making these repairs.
These are videos about what to look for when buying.
Well sir Kiwi does a video on what to look for every time he posts these types of videos. Unfortunately, it is such a situation where we have closed the barn door after the horse got out so to speak. With all the information out here on You Tube and other channels it would behoove someone looking for one of these "restored" beauties to view them as part of the educational process to have an idea of what to look for.
@@billywird well said
My pop use to buy old mustangs and would pour water down the cowl vents in front of the windscreen. Often water would flow into the interior footwells, a clear sign of rust-through. A repair would involve cutting holes into the top of the cowl or removing the fenders to gain access from the side.
Yeah that's a chronic area on them!
A few months ago I bought a running, '84 GT 350 5.0 5 speed carbureted convertible. Completely original and unmolested.
Not a speck of rust anywhere. Not in the floors, not in the towers.
I paid $5500. I think I scored.
I'd say so!😎
I was looking for a Mustang convertible years ago. I always had GM products, with full frames, or the unibody had subframes. Possible to take it apart and fix it properly. The Stangs I looked at? All were so rotted, and seeing that the skills to properly fix them? The time? You'd have to make a fixture? One as soon as I opened the door, you can see the body bend.
Unfortunately people who don’t know usually do not want to pay for someone to take a look at it for them. Also a mechanic isn’t the one you want. You need a body guy to look.
That's true but in this case inspections were actively discouraged
That's one of the best mustang's I've ever seen. Had a half dozen of them and after a few years of being new they would fall apart. Springs came up through the trunk, floorboards and tork boxes like paper ,front springs came up through the towers. This one is almost new. He he . That is one reason that the rare good ones are expensive. Good video . Thanks
Cheers man and thanks for watching!!
Kiwi, thank you for doing your own, classic car flipper videos! I, just sent an email, to the seller. Everyone, should do the same.
Hi Kiwi, Another Proper Video, Thanks so others can learn... Its Junk! Can't even tell if it was a first timers Bad Job to Sell or another Scammer Flip? How do they Sleep? Cheers!
you really are doing a great service to all classic car owners
Thanks Kiwi its a shame that these people can get away with this kind a business. Profits before conscience makes me wonder how do they sleep at night.
Criminals have no problem sleeping after what they have done.
Bottom line, don't be a moron. Learn about what's right, what's wrong & go to where the vehicle's at & put eyes & hands on it yourself. If you don't, you deserve what you get. The Danny Deepockets & Dick Dastardly's are who drove & keep driving up prices. If you don't know what you're doing, buy a Kia & be happy. Again, no pity.
That car ain't bad they didn't wanna pay 500k to drive a very close to drivable car the 500k will make it factory new again but kiwi straight tripping on this one just Iverson the customer not wanting a whole frame off
I agree with your assessment on this vehicle. I would demand an inspection by a professional appraiser before any purchase over the internet. Enjoy your pointing out areas that need careful inspection prior to purchase! Thx!
I go with your assessment Kiwi as you know your stuff especially these older Mustangs!
Roughly how much would that owner be up for to rectify all the faults with the Mustang? It looks like some major structural work is needed.
At least twenty grand...
More like 30K
Hi Kiwi, always appreciate your evaluation of cars. Have a question for you, i own a 67 convertible like this one and purchased a set of the taillight applique panels for it. Do you have any tips for installing them? I know they replace the turnsignal bezels on both sides but have no directions on where to drill the other mounting holes. Would you think my best option is to make cardboard copies and mark the holes on my taillight panel? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
He is going to say take it somewhere like his shop so they can charge 5k and tell you it needs 800k to be "safe" and factory new .....not knocking the hustle knocking his pettiness for being angry a customer didn't wanna spend that kinda cash and 2 years on a car that's 96% drivable now and keeping it 100 with u homie
Thank you! I find these kind of videos very informative. A lot of us might be in the market but far from experts so these vids are a good starting point on what sort of things to look for before we even have it inspected
Glad it was helpful!
I call them M & M cars...a shiny colorful coating on the outside with a soft brown inside. My first car was one of those. Expensive lesson for a kid in 1973, but my next car was carefully checked out underneath, and I still have it 50 years later.
Yeah I think most of us have made poor purchases but you live and learn. Cool that you've had a car for 50 years !
Thank you Kiwi, for exposing these unsafe patch job cars!
These are the types of shoddy repairs I would have expected to be done in someone's home garage or at a buddy's shop when cars like this were 15 to 20 year old rusted-out junkers worth 100 or 200 bucks and they just needed to be kept on the road one more year until they could save up to buy a new car. The fact that now people are throwing on nice paint jobs and refinishing the interiors, all while letting the underneath and mechanics of these vehicles remain in an absolute shamble, is frankly really disturbing. These aren't $200 cars anymore, more like 20 to 40,000 $ before you even start thinking about buying one today. Once you know a little bit about these cars, it's pretty easy to start spotting the issues... But most people who buy stuff like this will only ever get it inspected if there's a problem. I'm sure there's plenty of people who drive their car to go get ice cream and then down to the car show and that's the only time they ever drive there classic... meanwhile the whole thing's a structural disaster probably waiting to fall apart if it's ever driven in the rain or hit a pothole. It's really sad that these things have gone up so much in cost, and it seems like the actual real value of so many examples is just decreasing with such shoddy work everywhere. I really appreciate the fact that you continue to showcase these vehicles, and I desperately hope that they're making it to the non-car people who are thinking about buying these either as a fun weekend toy or as an investment and make them reconsider or at least get pre purchase inspections.
This is dangerous and ought to be criminal charges involved against seller....basically a colinder with structural bondo....good on you for calling them out
That scares me to buy another classic. I guess it depends what the guy paid. The foundation isn’t good though. I expect maybe a cheap floorboard patch as long as I can have it replaced correctly but stuff like rails and torque boxes? I’d walk.
Great video. Shame your client got taken. Visited their website and looked at ads for several vehicles, including a couple of Mustangs. Conveniently, the pictures are all up top with virtually no pictures of the underside of bodies or suspension/drivetrain areas. The few there were are middle of floor pans, which are often solid regardless of condition of rockers and quarters. That speaks volumes about how they operate.
That's as good as if I tried!
Really enjoying the education, thanks.
In the UK if you buy from a dealer there's consumer law, it must be"
sold as described and fit for it's purpose for a reasonable amount of time ". Still get problems but it's a decent place to start.
Yes!! Similar in New Zealand and Australia
I had a 68 Rag top too, and every time that mustang went up on the hoist, I measure the door opening, expecting it to snap in half at any moment.
|Glad it got melted down for lawn furniture.
I have a 1963 Falcon that my father bought for me almost 50 years ago. It is an Oklahoma car originally and had a lot of floorboard rust. This is a common problem with Fords of that era.
Always have a classic auto inspected and put up on a rack , for a thorough inspection , before purchasing , no matter how stunning it looks top side !!!
Good advice!!
Happy Wednesday Kiwi and fellow Kiwiians! Yeah. I agree. Thats a car I'm going to go after eventually and that car would be passed right by...Then I'll bring that one to Kiwi as well, after our 67 Fastback, that is.
Yeah there's one or two watching. Thanks for being one of them
I always watch, just not able to comment as much during summertime. Busy, busy, busy. My wife is better from her surgery, we should see you next spring with the 67 Fastback.
Will you fix this ? I hope so.
The black EDP can be seen on the front valence where the blue has flaked off, no doubt even good new repro panels weren't prepped for paint correctly
Glad you called them out. Many make videos like this but refuse to call a place out that consistently take people for a ride.
Great place to LOOK at cars, and BUY IF you're a mechanic and you have your buddy the body guy with you!
Exactly!!
I purchased a 73 cougar up hete in ontario canada there was many many tubes of silicone in sub frame and sprayed with truckbed liner to hide everything
Selling something that defective should be a crime.
In New Zealand it is! It's called the consumer guarantees act and it basically means that if you sell it, it has be able to do what is intended for. If not you have to fix or refund
My friend own a Mustang restoration company. We have seen this way to many times. At today’s prices a true mustang restoration is about 56-78k. So scumbags buy a rusted out from the rust belt and slap crap on it. If you see a so-called restored Mustang for sale under 30k it’s a rust rust bucket. Quality ain’t cheap Cheap ain’t Quality! No inspection NO SALE!
So very true!!!
When we do car at Hot Rod Roadhouse Restorations for a customer we involve their input during the process so they can see what's actually being done. Also when we sell a car we invite the buyer to inspect the car on the lift and we walk through the restoration process. This way the customer can't complain.
You give me a grinder with 4 different wheels/wire wheels, some cardboard and pencil and scissors to cut some patterns, some gloves, a ESAB140, a helmet and goggles, 6 square feet of 18 gauge, a gallon of black rustoleum with 4 paint brushes, $2,000 and two days and I'll have the underside of that Mustang looking so good even the Kiwi man wouldn't holler too much.🤣
If you could fix that in two days I'd gladly pay you that ! 😄
Well, I look at those old cars different than most do these days. And my repair, no, it wouldn't be perfect, but you need to know i'm 66 years old, and 45 years ago, I was buying old cars like that for a few hundred dollars and just patching them up and driving the things. I remember in 1976, still in high school, a 65 Mustang a friend named Wayne bought, we put such big tires on it in the back that they would rub on the inner fenders in the back if anyone sat in the backseat. Another example, I bought a 1970 Plymouth Gran Coup Barracuda in 1982 for $500 with a blown up 383 and I took the 440 super commando out of my wrecked GTX and put it in it. In my opinion, none of those cars were that well built, and they were rusting out after only a few years. To try and make them perfect is not really worth it in my opinion. I was really into mopars back then, because they were cheap, so had a few. They were really poorly designed, with tendency to rust in the quarters and bad electronics. As I remember, they would just out a few ballast resistors in a line to cut down voltage -- from the factory! Anyway, I worked on the things enough back then, I just don;t have the illusions about them as others, or maybe ours were just kids cars, bought cheap, worked on by us who half the time didn't really know what we were doing. I guess I'll always think of them like that, sort of just cobbled together even from the factory. And when I see people paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for an old Plymouth, when we used to buy them cheap, I bought a 1971 Plymouth GTX in 1981 in pretty good shape for $1,350. I just think the things are way overpriced. To my mind, those cars were just made to fix and drive. Not to spend $100,000 on and try and make new. That's what I meant with my comment. Yeah, once I was done, you could pick it apart, say it's not perfect, true. But it's just an old Ford, made to be driven,not perfected as some type of almighty goal. But, you do you. I still think the things can be affordable, cheap transportation, not some type of life goal for perfection. But, to each his own as they say. Good luck. I enjoy your channel!@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160
When rust is painted, the paint adds just enough structure that the car is now safe, is my theory.
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From their website " All of the vehicles that are at our dealership whether consignment or owned go through a rigorous process before sale.
-Paint body and then detail.
-Interior work if needed.
-Mechanical / Safety inspection.
-2 mile test drive.
Once we are ready to put a vehicle for sale it is turn key! We do not simply re sell a vehicle we put time into each and every one of them. For which we hold a higher standard for our vehicles." Based on this video....total lies~!
Yeah that would apear to be the case !
Was the car lot mentioned by anyone?
@@Coronetguy I thought I did or at least made it easy for you you figure out.
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 you absolutely did Kiwi. I missed it. I went back and found it. Good for you for informing the people of the fowl smells abroad! !!
@@Coronetguy 😉
I have done some business in North Carolina before. I have deep family ties there. Actually in the Statesville area. I bought a motorcycle in Statesville in 1978. I am from Montana. That said, buyer beware. I found a great number of businesses there that will bend you over and put sand on the Vaseline before they stick it to you. All because you are not a good Ole boy from NC. There are some fantastic people and businesses, but they are hard to find. This type of buying experience is what I found to be a typical experience buying merchandise or utilizing services in that area of North Carolina. Watch out!
Hi Kiwi, are you able to help me find an affordable ford classic to bring back to NZ?
glad you named the dealership,hopefully your vid will come up when anyone searches for a car round there
Well without doubt we know you can fix the unibody cars.
Your SEMA Stang proves that.
Probably the best unibody fabrication ever seen:)
You built yours the way it should have been from the factory - great fabrication.
Thanks man!!!
Think about how someone probably got paid to rig all that up too. Sad! Are those bondo's over dent puller holes in the lower drivers fender?
I forgot which classic car you showed of some one who brought a classic car with one of the front floor boards a used refrigerator door.And it still had the name of the refrigerator company on it .I believe it was covered up.
Rule of thumb: Never buy a car over the internet unless it has been inspected by a mechanic that you know and trust. So many people sell classic cars that look like a silk purse on the outside, but when you look beneath the pretty paint and chrome it's just an old sow's ear.
Bondo in the torque boxes??
Sure looked that way
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 no doubt, I mean, who does that?!?
People withe no clue and no conscience
That is a death trap! Its criminal what some supposedly reputable businesses do.
Hey great job i live in Charlotte NC and this dealer is not cheap but big surprise thanks
Kiwi, I went to their website this morning. I looked at about 30 of their cars posted. The sad part is that about a fourth of those, when you looked at the photos underneath the car, you could actually see the shoddy patches and bondo.
Hey thank you for posting this video for us! Saving tons of peoples time and money
I'm just sharing what I see and I see way too much of it!!!
@@kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 I’m from california and it’s bad here as well. Lots and lots and lots of deception and half assed behavior
Wow. Name dropping is important. If you grew up up north where cars were usually badly rotten by they time they were 10 years old back in the 1980's you learned to have a mechanic look at a car before buying. A good bondo sculptor can hide a lot of sins.
That thing would fold like an envelope in a crash absolutely horrific,after 5 or 10 minutes with a screwdriver you'll have a brush and shovel situation . I'd like to run a coin up the door gaps with 4 people in the car. At 8:19 is that a screw or a pop rivet at the bottom of the fender ? Is is there to join it to the tacked on strap?
Thank You ,If I Ever Am Looking At A Car Down Your Way ,You Got My Inspection Business ,Nice Job !!!
Are Mustang convertibles supposed to have extra frame support because there's no roof?
Yes they do. Quite a bit actually. Inner rockers, beefed up supports in the seat area, extra bracing in the trunk and and B pillars, a rear bulkhead with supports tie ing that to the inner rockers and rear torque box's.
I've seen body's done that way , spot welds , support brackets made of scrap metal, rivets instead of welding or at minimum panel bond.
Yes that was done the same as a pure stock dirt car for local circle track racing on dirt.
I've built many myself and have seem that many times.
That's a 7 thousand dollar car at most and that customer should've been informed it wasn't a quality service or build and that's why price is so low.
It was advertised for 44K😳 you and the seller don't seem to be on the same page re the value🤔😉
Pop riveting the drop downs could have happened at any time in the last 30-40 years. The other repairs look old too. Being in rust country I've been seeing bad repairs on old Mustangs and Fords for a long time. I was seeing stuff like this on these cars 30 years ago. The seller may not have done any of it. But... 99.9% chance they knew about it, bought it cheap because of it and passed it on.
Rust bits inside the rails are common place on cars in road salt country. Sometimes it means a serious problem other times no.
Absolutely agree with you, this car was misrepresented! Unsafe to drive, they should refund the buyer and fix the car right!
The last classic I bought was through Street Side Classics and I was exceptionally pleased,and it was exactly as advertised, been a good few years ago though. You pay a little more, but no disappointments..
Was it flippers like this that started the whole thing about not getting a classic car wet, ever? Some guys won't even wash their cars with a garden hose!
If you've got rust in places you can't normally see, and covered in Bondo where you can, never getting it wet will buy some time. Enough time for the check to clear for sure.
And yeah, I'd call that car unsafe at any speed.
My first car was a hand-me-down '68. I was driving that car when it was just 8 years old. No idea what the torque boxes looked like, but the panels aft of the rear wheels were rusted thru within a couple years of new. Salt is a horrible thing. Hope that Devil Dog customer of yours gets that one sorted. Cheers!
I had a 67 6 cylinder ragtop myself. Full to drive, need some work sold in the 80's for 5,000. Now, goes for about 30K. Oh, well.
Kiwi, TH400 does the filter "float" in this transmission, working on my 76 Jeep J10 im close to getting it safe and driveable again, but the trans filter doesnt tighten down, the bolt just has like a few mm between it and it just wiggles .. is this normal for a th400
This same thing is going on really bad on Jeep CJs in the Online Auction world! Be very lery and listen to comments people post trying to help an unsuspecting buyer purchase a Jeep that is a total hack job. These are great videos. Keep posting them.
Lots of buffoonery going on out there. Looking at cars that were recently purchased while wandering "cars & coffee" shows, I'm so happy I built my own. Last Sunday, a 72 Pontiac, owner was talking about oil use and leaks. I got to looking, PCV disabled so power brakes could be hooked up. They even hid the disconnected hose under some other clutter. Dude was planning on rebuilding the engine over the winter.
Should've specifically named the -scammer- dealer.
I did in the first part of the video
There was a classic car dealership where my dad lives, actually two of them and both within the last 18 months have went out of business, I wouldn't doubt that they were selling the same polished turds.
Reminds me of the first car I bought 18 years ago. Just wait till all the bondo starts popping off.
Wow what a death trap, can you imagine taking your grandkids out in a ride in that car and someone rear-end you at a red light or crosses the lane and hit you head on that car would fold up and everybody would be either extremely injured or killed, these Crooks ought to be held accountable for their unsafe death traps that they are selling
We appreciate you showing what to look for and what can be hidden from view. So sad for the customer.
Yep it's a mess. If the seller claims it is safe and drivable, then they had to have looked at it. I do love that color, and especially what appear to be 14" American Racing Torque Thrust wheels with real tires on them.
Thank you for naming these scumbags. But be prepared for a lawsuit. Slime like this has no morals, all they care about is money
Well I hope your wrong, I did only tell the truth.....
I had a '67 'Rustang' fastback 30 years ago,I fell for the shiny red paint. Now they're twice the age so yep,buyer beware!
Retail Red, gets em every time 😉. And Thankyou for admitting that once you got caught too. It happens to the best of us
First and foremost, they sold that rust bucket to a US solder! For that alone they should be ashamed.. I also noticed they didn't put the fly wheel front cover back on. How the hell do these car sales people sleep at night, I couldn't. But I guess that's why I've never sold cars.
Another awesome video very informative thank you
Looks like lmy Hyundai, but I at least used galvanized steel and seam sealer on the patches.
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Damn crooks! Southern Motors in Clarkston Michigan pulled this same BS on me. Please be careful guys and always always see the car before you spend.
I have a buddy that found a 69 fastback he wanted, he wanted to know what i thought of it. It had a pretty body and I got the owners email addy so I could ask questions about the car. I said to him the car has a beautiful body but I would like to know about under the car. Where is the rust has the floor board been replaced? What of the frame rail in the engine comp have those or do they need replace? Suprise suprise her never answered and stopped communicating with my buddy also. Bullet dodged.
OMG one hit from either direction and you'd be dead. That thing would crumple like a cracker box ! I had Vega's with a little less rust.
Thank you for this very informative video.
Your welcome, thanks for watching!