@CuriousMarc Could you possibly scan the orbit charts into PDF form? They look as if they're in fantastic condition and I'm a bit of an archiver for that stuff, would really be nice to have a close study!
I worked for Teledyne Geotech during the A11 mission. I believe that Teledyne company designed the thermal blankets. I do not remember how many layers it had, but I do remember them saying that a group of mathmeticians designed the wrinkle pattern you see in the material. The wrinkles were arranged so that the material of one layer could contact the adjoining layer using the smallest possible contact area. It was put over the seismometer to maintain an even temperature around the instrument day and night. Unfortunately, solar radiation electrically charged the layers making them swell apart and become ineffective. The astronauts put rocks around the sensor device to hold the shield in place. The weight crushed many layers together -- during the day the environment was too hot to use, but they were able to keep the environment warm at night by running the calibration motor continuously. It worked and we got the first high-resolution seismic data from the moon, albeit only at night.
If you watched CuriousMarc's series on the AGC, then do get a copy of the Don Eyles book. It is very well written. I could not put it down, much to the annoyance of my wife over Christmas. I just wish that I could have got a signed copy! As a programmer, Don Eyles is a hero.
Well done, would love to see more of the shuttle computer. The only interesting space "things" I own are two meteorites, one a worn lump I found on a beach, the other about 1 kg of fragments from a meteorite I observed falling at night.
Subscribed to this channel for the computers at the times of the Xeros Alto, now enjoying it even more with space stuff and I'm a student in airspace engineering
Could be deer skin. I have a pair of headphones (an old Tesla) and the plastic cups had broken on them, asked a leather worker to make me a suitable replacement. And he advised me to get the deer skin for the contact area (vs the classic bleh type, black leather that makes you sweat). Durable, supple, and cleans really easy.
Given it is Russia and Space Program with no expense spared...... It could actually be even something more exotic. Since one thing Russia has supply of in great number is furs, leathers and pelts of some rather exotic taiga animals. One probably would have to get their hands on the Soviet/Russian manufacturing documents to know for sure.
Amazing stuff. Seeing all these artifacts, from when space travel was a national goal rather than a pissing contest between billionaires, brings a tear to my eye.
Well, it was a pissing contest between rival billionaire nations back then. And involved a standing army of a million or so people, just on the US side. I suspect in another decade or so we will get far more out of the assorted billionaires and their groups of 100 people or so than we got out of everything post-SpaceLab that NASA has done.
Marcel, the Apollo flight data plots are awesome, any chance we can get some scans or photos of the entire plots? I viewed the auction and saw two or three papers like that for sale. Awesome!
It's time for someone to get busy on building a cycle-accurate FPGA emulation for the AP-101S. I wonder if the shuttle's pre-glass cockpit flight instruments have appeared in the auction market.
It seems like the horizontal scale is seconds since liftoff per millimeter? at 8:11, the bottom horizontal value is around 389740, which works out to 4 days 12hrs 16mins, 40 seconds... but from what i can find on Apollo 14 transcripts, they hadn't landed yet by that point... I'd love to see a video of the load graph going with the audio/video from the mission simultaneously. :D
It looked to me like the marker numbers were pre-printed on the chart. I suspect that was simply a stock roll of graph paper for the chart printer they used, and the rolls probably came with some specified number range that you could order when you bought the rolls. The spacing may well be seconds, but I think the numbers have an arbitrary origin.
There was another Rocketdyne SE-6 sold in February of last year at Heritage Auctions. It includes its original packaging and is apparently up for offers.
Soon to be seen on Tested, Adam visits Marcel to take measurements of the soviet headset, because of course he has to make an exact replicate of it for his suits. Pondering on the video what is the best leather to use and so on. Also how the heck one replicates that weird connector.
10:43 .... If you have seen the movie "Hidden Figures" you know exactly WHY all of this data was so accurate...!! Thank you, ladies..!!! We owe you a lot.
Fabulous video as always Marc. Yours is at the top of my must-watch list. Two questions about your basement workspace ... 1 - how many sq feet of lab do you have? I know you have a bridgeport and maybe a lathe also tucked away in there. 2 - How do you manage to keep your lab from getting overwhelmed with stuff? My lab tends to accumulate stuff on every single horizontal surface. I'm not sure that more space is the answer though. A good friend of mine has a rural property with TWO additional barns for storage but this has not reduced net entropy by any appreciable amount
Chamious (probably misspelled) skin. The same stuff you used to use to polish your car to a bright shine. WW II US aviator's radio headsets used the same stuff if I recall correctly.
It's in bits and pieces in the lab. Ken was analyzing it when we got interrupted by the quarantine. It's going to be awfully challenging to do anything with it: unlike the well documented AGC made by MIT, there is little documentation on space computers made by IBM, even for Apollo. We also don't have software or a way to boot it up.
@@CuriousMarc What I've learned is that engineers can really do anything. I have faith in all you. You did a great job at AGC. You did such a good job that my apprentice at work has now used wire wrapping when I told him about that project and it worked. and the apprentice was shocked at how well it worked even in 2020. Link is of the wire wrapping that he used. scontent.fosl3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/83762977_3282166868501655_576954167970283609_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=GATqTkyXgh0AX8Gtk3K&_nc_ht=scontent.fosl3-1.fna&oh=6f13005633d1a119f944a5e0e3a8065e&oe=5F1DB801
@@colderwar Absolutely not cheaper to fix. Military hardware is extremely expensive, and space hardware even more so. A single transistor probably costed more than $100.
It's almost sad in a way that we are starting collect Shuttle era artifacts, knowing that they have been gutted to allow people to collect these parts really drives home the end of a era and great program.
Hoping all of these efforts to preserve Our History does not go to the way side with your passing in time. Surprised at the way they constructed the Shuttle Components so robustly. I would think they could have saved considerable weight simply by building that stuff Open Frame ? Head set leather would have been Pig or Sheep I think ?
I think you guys should go down and talk to Elon Musk's engineers. I think you've earned it! You've shown us the antique, now show us the latest and greatest! 🙂
Was it really a different piece of hardware? I'd heard it as the fifth machine ran 100% functionally compatible software as the others, but written by a different vendor, in case there was some replicated bug.
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@CuriousMarc Could you possibly scan the orbit charts into PDF form? They look as if they're in fantastic condition and I'm a bit of an archiver for that stuff, would really be nice to have a close study!
I worked for Teledyne Geotech during the A11 mission. I believe that Teledyne company designed the thermal blankets. I do not remember how many layers it had, but I do remember them saying that a group of mathmeticians designed the wrinkle pattern you see in the material. The wrinkles were arranged so that the material of one layer could contact the adjoining layer using the smallest possible contact area. It was put over the seismometer to maintain an even temperature around the instrument day and night. Unfortunately, solar radiation electrically charged the layers making them swell apart and become ineffective. The astronauts put rocks around the sensor device to hold the shield in place. The weight crushed many layers together -- during the day the environment was too hot to use, but they were able to keep the environment warm at night by running the calibration motor continuously. It worked and we got the first high-resolution seismic data from the moon, albeit only at night.
Thanks for the awesome information!
So when will the video of the working space shuttle computer be? :P
If you watched CuriousMarc's series on the AGC, then do get a copy of the Don Eyles book. It is very well written. I could not put it down, much to the annoyance of my wife over Christmas. I just wish that I could have got a signed copy! As a programmer, Don Eyles is a hero.
Well done, would love to see more of the shuttle computer. The only interesting space "things" I own are two meteorites, one a worn lump I found on a beach, the other about 1 kg of fragments from a meteorite I observed falling at night.
Murray Smith still pretty cool a lot of us have nothing!
Subscribed to this channel for the computers at the times of the Xeros Alto, now enjoying it even more with space stuff and I'm a student in airspace engineering
Could be deer skin. I have a pair of headphones (an old Tesla) and the plastic cups had broken on them, asked a leather worker to make me a suitable replacement. And he advised me to get the deer skin for the contact area (vs the classic bleh type, black leather that makes you sweat). Durable, supple, and cleans really easy.
Given it is Russia and Space Program with no expense spared...... It could actually be even something more exotic. Since one thing Russia has supply of in great number is furs, leathers and pelts of some rather exotic taiga animals. One probably would have to get their hands on the Soviet/Russian manufacturing documents to know for sure.
Deer skin = chamois leather. very soft.
Amazing stuff. Seeing all these artifacts, from when space travel was a national goal rather than a pissing contest between billionaires, brings a tear to my eye.
Well, it was a pissing contest between rival billionaire nations back then. And involved a standing army of a million or so people, just on the US side. I suspect in another decade or so we will get far more out of the assorted billionaires and their groups of 100 people or so than we got out of everything post-SpaceLab that NASA has done.
Cool, would love to own a piece of a space shuttle.
Is it too soon for "check the beach" jokes?
@@frac or the fields?
You've most likely inhaled more than you realise, of it.
Marcel, the Apollo flight data plots are awesome, any chance we can get some scans or photos of the entire plots? I viewed the auction and saw two or three papers like that for sale. Awesome!
Wonderful that you guys are able to buy this stuff and really use and understand it. The world of technology will be in your debt even more
This is a very good channel, if u wanna learn about real history of space crafts and computers this is the right place for you.
It's time for someone to get busy on building a cycle-accurate FPGA emulation for the AP-101S. I wonder if the shuttle's pre-glass cockpit flight instruments have appeared in the auction market.
Thanks to Marcel for sharing!!!!
Excellent - I vote make the Gemini thruster work :)
A little bit of toxic monopropellant and it will go and also burn my mustache at the same time!
Maybe compressed air would be less toxic. Also cheaper.
Damn, this is so interesting. Thank You for letting us being a part of it.
12:20 It's amazing that there is still new old stock for this sort of stuff.
It seems like the horizontal scale is seconds since liftoff per millimeter? at 8:11, the bottom horizontal value is around 389740, which works out to 4 days 12hrs 16mins, 40 seconds... but from what i can find on Apollo 14 transcripts, they hadn't landed yet by that point...
I'd love to see a video of the load graph going with the audio/video from the mission simultaneously. :D
It looked to me like the marker numbers were pre-printed on the chart. I suspect that was simply a stock roll of graph paper for the chart printer they used, and the rolls probably came with some specified number range that you could order when you bought the rolls. The spacing may well be seconds, but I think the numbers have an arbitrary origin.
There was another Rocketdyne SE-6 sold in February of last year at Heritage Auctions. It includes its original packaging and is apparently up for offers.
What an amazing collection Marcel has! Any chance you guys will try to get the shuttle computer running?
I envy your groups friendship, combined intelligence and your hard-earned financial resources. Also: this is the most fascinating channel on RUclips.
Could 'T/Recovery' be telemetry recovery perhaps?
Another fantastic presentation, thanks again Marc and team!
That's a good thought. Maybe. That said I thought that when it says DATA is when the data is bad, you can see it go all over the place.
Very interesting! Thanks Guys!!
How much did all this cost? AMAZING collection.
If Adam Savage sees this vid with the soviet headset - he'll lose his mind........
Soon to be seen on Tested, Adam visits Marcel to take measurements of the soviet headset, because of course he has to make an exact replicate of it for his suits. Pondering on the video what is the best leather to use and so on. Also how the heck one replicates that weird connector.
Flight ready. Beauty!
10:43 .... If you have seen the movie "Hidden Figures" you know exactly WHY all of this data was so accurate...!!
Thank you, ladies..!!!
We owe you a lot.
Fabulous video as always Marc. Yours is at the top of my must-watch list. Two questions about your basement workspace ... 1 - how many sq feet of lab do you have? I know you have a bridgeport and maybe a lathe also tucked away in there. 2 - How do you manage to keep your lab from getting overwhelmed with stuff? My lab tends to accumulate stuff on every single horizontal surface. I'm not sure that more space is the answer though. A good friend of mine has a rural property with TWO additional barns for storage but this has not reduced net entropy by any appreciable amount
Chamious (probably misspelled) skin. The same stuff you used to use to polish your car to a bright shine. WW II US aviator's radio headsets used the same stuff if I recall correctly.
Chamois, pronounced 'shamwah' for the deer but more often 'shammy' for the leather
Some great items, thanks for sharing
Awesome stuff.. Where else can you find such interesting and historical information. Great Job!!
Congratulations! Incredible collection! Just an observation, why don't use gloves for examining the items?
Thanks Marcel .
I can't imagine giving the go ahead for bit-twiddling a safety critical system in-flight.
Beats take note
when do we se the spave shuttle computer up and running
It's in bits and pieces in the lab. Ken was analyzing it when we got interrupted by the quarantine. It's going to be awfully challenging to do anything with it: unlike the well documented AGC made by MIT, there is little documentation on space computers made by IBM, even for Apollo. We also don't have software or a way to boot it up.
@@CuriousMarc What I've learned is that engineers can really do anything. I have faith in all you. You did a great job at AGC. You did such a good job that my apprentice at work has now used wire wrapping when I told him about that project and it worked. and the apprentice was shocked at how well it worked even in 2020. Link is of the wire wrapping that he used. scontent.fosl3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/83762977_3282166868501655_576954167970283609_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=GATqTkyXgh0AX8Gtk3K&_nc_ht=scontent.fosl3-1.fna&oh=6f13005633d1a119f944a5e0e3a8065e&oe=5F1DB801
And people think it never happened 😔
Show us the boards please!!!!
We tried, but we could not get them out. You need a special tool.
Any chance to bring up the Space Shuttle computer? An IBM 360 in a box in 1991?
will we see the Shuttle Computer running ?
"RETURN TO AN AUTHORIZED REPAIR ACTIVITY". Must have been made by Apple...
Probably cheaper to fix too
And then they tell you that you need a new AGC motherboard and you'll lose all your flight data.
@@colderwar Absolutely not cheaper to fix. Military hardware is extremely expensive, and space hardware even more so. A single transistor probably costed more than $100.
nostalgia of millimeter paper....
So who wants to see them make the space shuttle computer functional?
Yipeeee! "Space items"!😃
i do like me a graph and that for sure is a nice one!
does this qualify as right to repair? :D
play authentic
SERVDURN is how long SERVICER ran - SERVicer Duration.
Yea indeed. Servicer was launched every two seconds.
Such great engineering, compare that to that household electronics shit of these days ...
I would pay for a high resolution copy of the map.
4:03 what program is that
For a sec I thought you won a cosmic cube!
It's almost sad in a way that we are starting collect Shuttle era artifacts, knowing that they have been gutted to allow people to collect these parts really drives home the end of a era and great program.
Chris Moffatt yeah really sad for us Americans, I mean our astronauts fly to space on a Russian Soyuz who ever would of thought...
How much is it all worth ?
Maybe the leather came from something mutated after Chernobyl.....
The thing looks like a furnace
I'm sure the leather is from a Russian Babushka. Well, something close to that.
It is from a wild siberian snow babushka
@@kakabukkake0 Even better. As close to the womb as you can get is the most comfortable.
Hoping all of these efforts to preserve Our History does not go to the way side with your passing in time.
Surprised at the way they constructed the Shuttle Components so robustly. I would think they could have saved considerable weight simply by building that stuff Open Frame ?
Head set leather would have been Pig or Sheep I think ?
I think you guys should go down and talk to Elon Musk's engineers. I think you've earned it! You've shown us the antique, now show us the latest and greatest! 🙂
now with the shuttle computer there where 5 of them and 1 was built different from the other 4 is this one of the 4 or the 1 off?
Was it really a different piece of hardware? I'd heard it as the fifth machine ran 100% functionally compatible software as the others, but written by a different vendor, in case there was some replicated bug.
Ooooooooooo..... Aaaaaahhhhhh.....