There is a lot of information missing from this video. And it context, would help explain why this bag is $800. Arcteryx is an already expensive brand on itself, Veilance is their top tier uber urban premium tier of the Arcteryx umbrella, which is even more expensive. Veilance is not for everyone. Their a few mythological designers associated with this brand. It's mostly for that tech wear community, where design, technology, and future all meets up. The bags in this space are uber expensive. What makes this bag $800: 1. Made in Canada (the labor cost is similar to or higher than made in USA) 2. The tools and machines used in the process of making this bag; you have the AC2 material, and etc. which is developed and produced in-house. They used heat bonding, HF welding, hot seam taping equipment - which is so far very expensive tools, and only recently coming down in price due to the demand and supply of the pandemic. You know making surgical or n95 face mask. 3. The patterning is very intricate, with a lot of curves - which most brands don't do - because of the cost associated with it to produce it. A lot of steps, with each step there is an associated cost. If Peak Design, Aer, or any other brand tried to replicate this with traditional manufacturing techniques it would cost about that $800 price point. 4. Arcteryx have said this is the most complicated, and hardest product in their Veilance line to produce. 5. Lifetime warranty. Nuff said. 6. Most people who really want this bag - will wait for Arcteryx to have their 25% discount to purchase this. If you look harder, you can purchase this from a few worldwide retailers for even less, with the allowance to add additional discounting.
Thanks for the explainer. Judging by my few other Arc'teryx pieces I have, I'd bet it's top of the line. This bag is just not for me or most people, just like the Veilance stuff isn't for everyone. But I can appreciate all that goes into it.
I have had this for 3years now although not used so much in the past two. It’s a fantastic product, extremely comfortable no matter how much and how heavy, to look at it does not justify the price but it’s there in the usage. If you are looking for pouches and pockets it’s not for you, each to their own.
In this price range I would take the Bellroy Apex and pocket the change. I just don't see the value here. I also like a little bit more organisation in my bag.
You don't go to Hermes or LV for value. This bag isn't suppose to provide value, that's not what Veilance is designed to do. Arcteryx is already expensive, Veilance is 2-3x more with more specialized fabrics, like the one used on this pack, it's not used on any other Arcteryx pack, that should tell you something. So it's not for you. I however love it, my favorite bag, the comfort level is confusing it's so good. Aesthetically, it's a masterpiece to me. Enjoy your Bellroy.
I am a big fan of Veilance. The design is minimalist in a way it will still look good in a few decades. Arcteryx has one of the most efficient warranty and customer service in the industry. If there is any problems with your 800
This was a solid review! From someone who has owned both iterations of this bag for a few years I have some thoughts. The $800 price tag is certainly out of reach for most, but I don't really think that is an issue. From a utility standpoint this is just a bag, just as a quartz watch tells the time just as well, if not better than an automatic one, like a Rolex. And yet, many people decide to spend 10, 20 or 50x the amount for an automatic watch rather than a quartz one. The Nomin is for me in a similar category, it serves the same purpose as a JanSport pack and for some it perhaps offers even less utility. However from a manufacturing, comfort and certainly visual aspect if offers something far greater. Spending more money to achieve that goal is totally fine by me. Since my wardrobe consists of mainly Veilance items, which follow the same design language it made sense to combine it with something that elevates my choice of clothing. A JanSport pack combined with an ultra-sleek Gore-Tex coat looks a bit off, but for someone who dresses differently or choose to put their money elsewhere, it might just fit the bill for them. So why does the $800 price tag exist? Well for one it's because it has to (extremely complex construction as mentioned by Arc'teryx, hard to source materials and limited units made), partly because it can (consumer demographics, hype behind the pack) and certainly due to market incentives, for example the luxury goods margin. At least Veilance, which has no external branding compared to Arc'teryx, doesn't appeal to the walking billboards among us, where the brand seems to be the driving factor behind its price rather than the garments itself. If I lost my Nomin, I'd happily pay $800 for it than a Balenciaga sweater for the same price. Now luckily for me, I paid $300 for each of my Nomins and find the value proposition to be quite great for both of them, especially when paired with something like Peak Design's packing cubes (thanks for the rec Pack Hacker!)
Thanks for your detailed insights 😃 There is a ton to consider when choosing gear, and you’ve proven that! We look forward to hearing from you again on other videos 💪 -Eric
Damn 800$ for this backpack? wow. that's way too much. There's o quick access pocket or one for a water bottle... 800... right. For 800 they better send someone to carry my bottle =) Awesome video though!
I'd rather get the allpa 28L. Very similar bag but you save about $600. Even a Chrome Industries Summoner would be better if you want similar look. I know Veilance has a lot put into the manufacturing side but its like you get a different bag and a stimulus check... or you get this bag and no stimulus. There are a lot of other great bags out there that I feel are priced accordingly.
Very helpful review, it’s nice to see your observations. This bag was a bit of a crazy price but since my travel budget was unused this past year I didn’t feel too guilty. Mine is also in the Ash colour, which is a nice change from black bags. BTW, I have the Nomin and the Granville 16. They are similar bags but because of the size difference, they don’t overlap, at least for my needs. I’m definitely an Arcteryx fan, the Nomin is another winner IMHO. For those of you obsessing about the price, here’s a suggestion: don’t buy it.
I’m seriously not trying to troll you but I really want to know what was it that you liked about this bag that made you invest this much? It’s a genuine question sorry if it’s a little offensive
What are your thoughts on this bag vs the Granville? It seems the harness system is better on the Nomin but I do like the side access pocket on the Granville. Thoughts?
@@rsaunders223 I have both, as you know; there’s nothing wrong with the Granville but the Nomin is just bag-art, to coin a phrase. The Nomin straps are definitely more comfortable and it’s bigger as well as a bit more versatile.
@@toodamnskippy6220 thanks for that man. I definitely think I’ll end up getting one at some point. I’ve seen them on sale for 20-30% off hopefully I can find one discounted that much or even trade for one.
I'm weird but I don't think, conceptually, there is a problem with an 800 dollar backpack. There are high ends of everything and at some point, the amount of labor and material cost requires a high price point to justify price high enough to meet the equilibrium (IE, the number of people who would pay 600 dollars for this bag is probably very close to the number who would pay 800) The issue is that this bag doesn't seem worth it in usability; an 800 dollar bag needs to, frankly, let me pack the way I want to (within reason). While all bags ask you to pack them in a certain way, the main selling point of this bag is frankly the aesthetic. But like Tom mentioned, that aesthetic is *extremely* easily damaged by mispacking it, or packing something "pointy", or something that will make it bulge in weird ways, partially because of its incredible light-weight fabric choice, but also the way its front flap is not particularly structured. When I spend a lot of money on a product, unless that product is designed to be used with consternation (IE, a macro lens for a camera), I prefer to think as little about it as possible. The more it costs, the more effortless it should be. This bag seems like it really requires a decent amount of mental load, what with how you pack it and the zipper locations for the quick access / laptop. That alone would stress me out enough that I couldn't justify the price. That being said, those zippers did seem to move suuuuuuuper smoothly!
Touche. Also the unified zipper for the two pockets on the back creates unnecessary mental burden. I'd gladly pay $800 or more for the perfect daypack I can use for the next 5 to 10 years, but here I'm not sure of the designers' target audience. If all I want is a fashion item I'm picking something even better looking.
I have this pack and it is actually effortless to use, for my load; I travel so I just have my necessities plus my laptop and camera. There's nothing wasted except the extra flap on top of the laptop compartment (I don't carry documents folders), and the main compartment just swallows things. It is also the only backpack that I can just throw my macbook into and not have to worry about undue bending pressure being applied to the aluminum on my $2800 computer and the harness system is awesome.
The comments here.. It doesn't have this, it doesn't have that.. lol. First, it is a design choice. Second, it is made in Canada. Third, material choice. Fourth, it is a boutique brand. I've seen a "shoulder bag" which can barely fit a condom and costs several thousands Dollars, and no diamonds attached to it. So, everything is relative when it comes to prices. I bet nobody here has a backpack (18l) that has the same price tag as mine, which is US$10,-. 1,5 years old.. no fading colors, no loose threads, everything is still good!
I have multiple Peak Design backpacks and bags, $700 leather duffle bag and I also have several of the $10 Targus backpacks from Best Buy and whatnot and they are all good in my opinion. I have so many bags I have one of those industrial metal shelving units that like 4 tiers, full of bags. Also as someone who owns many bags and backpacks including many expensive ones I can say this backpack is ludicrously overpriced.
@@venom5809 Compared to the shoulder bag that can fit barely a few condoms and costs several thousand dollars, I'd say it's not too overpriced. Would I buy the Nomin? Nope. Is it expensive? Absolutely. As I said, it's all relative. If you can afford it and want it, buy it. Otherwise, don't.
If this normal bag is worth 800 bucks, then the peak design everyday backpack should be double that price for the technology, structure and organisation is has.
The fabric alone is beyond special. Your comparison is like a Honda Accord compared to Bentley. You're not paying for organization and pockets. You are paying for the materials, how they assembled it and the design. The technology to do that is carried out specifically by Veilance themselves 100% in Canada by textile artisans. Arcteryx states that this pack is the most technical and complex product they make, with a super fabric made specifically for this use and not any other Arc bag. If you don't understand why a Bentley costs more than an Accord, than you won't understand this bag, you'll keep coming back to it being minimal and the price, but the complex material and assembly will go over your head. A Jansport would serve you just as well and two Walmart plastic bags could carry everything you need in this bag.
Just watched a review of the black one, it looks much better, reminded me of the Cotopaxi style, anyways I think the materials used are very advanced and interesting specially if you live in really rainy place but spending that much on a backpack is definitely going to be controversial and I still would not buy it, even if it checked all the boxes for daily carry other than the materials, there are so many other things you can buy with $800 and this silver version does not help either, it kind of emphasizes how ridiculous the price sounds...
I love the channel and the reviews are always spectacular. But dude - no one has ever touched anything as much much as you keep touching this bag in this video. Man...
This is the equivalent of selling 300 dollar work jeans broken in and pre weathered. All the materials and hardware are used in gear selling for fifth of the price from the same brand.
Absolutely not the same thing. Plus educate yourself, this AC3s fabric isn't used on any other Arcteryx product. Only 2-3 other Veilance items and made 100% in Canada. That alone has a higher price vs China. If you want to complain about luxury tech price structuring, you're lost. If you own an Iphone or Samsung phone for example, I think you are a hypocrite considering your statement. Neither of those are thousand plus dollar phones but that's what they cost.
My God imagine paying $800 for this bag? A great example of paying for a name. So many better bags out there worth $500-$600 and this one just spits it's entitlement at you.
I agree... Veilance is a luxury brand. You can find a lot of their jackets like the Rhomb on the Gore-wear website for half the price (sans a feature or two).
There is nothing about this backpack that justifies a $800 price tag, let alone half that. Plastic hardware, no luxuries, an uninteresting design. It even looks like theirs a stain on the top of the outside of it...
This bag doesn't even justify a pricetag of 100 dollars since for that price you can get a mystery ranch urban assault 21/24 which is the highest rated bag on their website and this doesn't even come close to that bag.
800 bucks for this? There are other packs with way better looks and design. I don’t understand the attraction to this bag. Those straps like so uncomfortable
I was casually watching, drinking my coffee, doing stuff on my other computer and then I heard $800 and almost spit my coffee out. WTF?
There is a lot of information missing from this video. And it context, would help explain why this bag is $800. Arcteryx is an already expensive brand on itself, Veilance is their top tier uber urban premium tier of the Arcteryx umbrella, which is even more expensive. Veilance is not for everyone. Their a few mythological designers associated with this brand. It's mostly for that tech wear community, where design, technology, and future all meets up. The bags in this space are uber expensive. What makes this bag $800: 1. Made in Canada (the labor cost is similar to or higher than made in USA) 2. The tools and machines used in the process of making this bag; you have the AC2 material, and etc. which is developed and produced in-house. They used heat bonding, HF welding, hot seam taping equipment - which is so far very expensive tools, and only recently coming down in price due to the demand and supply of the pandemic. You know making surgical or n95 face mask. 3. The patterning is very intricate, with a lot of curves - which most brands don't do - because of the cost associated with it to produce it. A lot of steps, with each step there is an associated cost. If Peak Design, Aer, or any other brand tried to replicate this with traditional manufacturing techniques it would cost about that $800 price point. 4. Arcteryx have said this is the most complicated, and hardest product in their Veilance line to produce. 5. Lifetime warranty. Nuff said. 6. Most people who really want this bag - will wait for Arcteryx to have their 25% discount to purchase this. If you look harder, you can purchase this from a few worldwide retailers for even less, with the allowance to add additional discounting.
Thanks for the explainer. Judging by my few other Arc'teryx pieces I have, I'd bet it's top of the line. This bag is just not for me or most people, just like the Veilance stuff isn't for everyone. But I can appreciate all that goes into it.
I have had this for 3years now although not used so much in the past two. It’s a fantastic product, extremely comfortable no matter how much and how heavy, to look at it does not justify the price but it’s there in the usage. If you are looking for pouches and pockets it’s not for you, each to their own.
Thanks for sharing!
- Austin
In this price range I would take the Bellroy Apex and pocket the change. I just don't see the value here. I also like a little bit more organisation in my bag.
You don't go to Hermes or LV for value. This bag isn't suppose to provide value, that's not what Veilance is designed to do. Arcteryx is already expensive, Veilance is 2-3x more with more specialized fabrics, like the one used on this pack, it's not used on any other Arcteryx pack, that should tell you something. So it's not for you. I however love it, my favorite bag, the comfort level is confusing it's so good. Aesthetically, it's a masterpiece to me. Enjoy your Bellroy.
I am a big fan of Veilance. The design is minimalist in a way it will still look good in a few decades. Arcteryx has one of the most efficient warranty and customer service in the industry. If there is any problems with your 800
That key clip is hilarious, thanks for pointing that out. It's a nice bag but not for me at that price.
This was a solid review! From someone who has owned both iterations of this bag for a few years I have some thoughts. The $800 price tag is certainly out of reach for most, but I don't really think that is an issue. From a utility standpoint this is just a bag, just as a quartz watch tells the time just as well, if not better than an automatic one, like a Rolex. And yet, many people decide to spend 10, 20 or 50x the amount for an automatic watch rather than a quartz one.
The Nomin is for me in a similar category, it serves the same purpose as a JanSport pack and for some it perhaps offers even less utility. However from a manufacturing, comfort and certainly visual aspect if offers something far greater. Spending more money to achieve that goal is totally fine by me. Since my wardrobe consists of mainly Veilance items, which follow the same design language it made sense to combine it with something that elevates my choice of clothing. A JanSport pack combined with an ultra-sleek Gore-Tex coat looks a bit off, but for someone who dresses differently or choose to put their money elsewhere, it might just fit the bill for them.
So why does the $800 price tag exist? Well for one it's because it has to (extremely complex construction as mentioned by Arc'teryx, hard to source materials and limited units made), partly because it can (consumer demographics, hype behind the pack) and certainly due to market incentives, for example the luxury goods margin. At least Veilance, which has no external branding compared to Arc'teryx, doesn't appeal to the walking billboards among us, where the brand seems to be the driving factor behind its price rather than the garments itself.
If I lost my Nomin, I'd happily pay $800 for it than a Balenciaga sweater for the same price. Now luckily for me, I paid $300 for each of my Nomins and find the value proposition to be quite great for both of them, especially when paired with something like Peak Design's packing cubes (thanks for the rec Pack Hacker!)
Thanks for your detailed insights 😃 There is a ton to consider when choosing gear, and you’ve proven that! We look forward to hearing from you again on other videos 💪
-Eric
Damn 800$ for this backpack? wow. that's way too much. There's o quick access pocket or one for a water bottle... 800... right. For 800 they better send someone to carry my bottle =)
Awesome video though!
Made it to 2:10 $800? 💸 I’m out! 😂 That being said, I’m sure this review will help someone else. Keep up the great work!
I'd rather get the allpa 28L. Very similar bag but you save about $600. Even a Chrome Industries Summoner would be better if you want similar look. I know Veilance has a lot put into the manufacturing side but its like you get a different bag and a stimulus check... or you get this bag and no stimulus. There are a lot of other great bags out there that I feel are priced accordingly.
The price itself doesn’t bother me but I don’t really understand what I am getting for the money.
Very helpful review, it’s nice to see your observations. This bag was a bit of a crazy price but since my travel budget was unused this past year I didn’t feel too guilty. Mine is also in the Ash colour, which is a nice change from black bags. BTW, I have the Nomin and the Granville 16. They are similar bags but because of the size difference, they don’t overlap, at least for my needs. I’m definitely an Arcteryx fan, the Nomin is another winner IMHO.
For those of you obsessing about the price, here’s a suggestion: don’t buy it.
I’m seriously not trying to troll you but I really want to know what was it that you liked about this bag that made you invest this much? It’s a genuine question sorry if it’s a little offensive
What are your thoughts on this bag vs the Granville? It seems the harness system is better on the Nomin but I do like the side access pocket on the Granville. Thoughts?
@@rsaunders223 I have both, as you know; there’s nothing wrong with the Granville but the Nomin is just bag-art, to coin a phrase. The Nomin straps are definitely more comfortable and it’s bigger as well as a bit more versatile.
@@toodamnskippy6220 thanks for that man. I definitely think I’ll end up getting one at some point. I’ve seen them on sale for 20-30% off hopefully I can find one discounted that much or even trade for one.
@@rsaunders223 are you on TPP and Carryology on Facebook?
Looks like a really interesting bag for $90. Don’t know why I’d pay more for it.
I'm weird but I don't think, conceptually, there is a problem with an 800 dollar backpack. There are high ends of everything and at some point, the amount of labor and material cost requires a high price point to justify price high enough to meet the equilibrium (IE, the number of people who would pay 600 dollars for this bag is probably very close to the number who would pay 800)
The issue is that this bag doesn't seem worth it in usability; an 800 dollar bag needs to, frankly, let me pack the way I want to (within reason). While all bags ask you to pack them in a certain way, the main selling point of this bag is frankly the aesthetic. But like Tom mentioned, that aesthetic is *extremely* easily damaged by mispacking it, or packing something "pointy", or something that will make it bulge in weird ways, partially because of its incredible light-weight fabric choice, but also the way its front flap is not particularly structured.
When I spend a lot of money on a product, unless that product is designed to be used with consternation (IE, a macro lens for a camera), I prefer to think as little about it as possible. The more it costs, the more effortless it should be. This bag seems like it really requires a decent amount of mental load, what with how you pack it and the zipper locations for the quick access / laptop. That alone would stress me out enough that I couldn't justify the price.
That being said, those zippers did seem to move suuuuuuuper smoothly!
Touche. Also the unified zipper for the two pockets on the back creates unnecessary mental burden.
I'd gladly pay $800 or more for the perfect daypack I can use for the next 5 to 10 years, but here I'm not sure of the designers' target audience. If all I want is a fashion item I'm picking something even better looking.
I have this pack and it is actually effortless to use, for my load; I travel so I just have my necessities plus my laptop and camera. There's nothing wasted except the extra flap on top of the laptop compartment (I don't carry documents folders), and the main compartment just swallows things. It is also the only backpack that I can just throw my macbook into and not have to worry about undue bending pressure being applied to the aluminum on my $2800 computer and the harness system is awesome.
So what are your thoughts on the bag? Was it worth it to you? Do you recommend it?
hey what are the backpacks in the background
What long sleeve are you wearing? Looks like Outlier but I can't fully tell.
The comments here.. It doesn't have this, it doesn't have that.. lol. First, it is a design choice. Second, it is made in Canada. Third, material choice. Fourth, it is a boutique brand. I've seen a "shoulder bag" which can barely fit a condom and costs several thousands Dollars, and no diamonds attached to it. So, everything is relative when it comes to prices. I bet nobody here has a backpack (18l) that has the same price tag as mine, which is US$10,-. 1,5 years old.. no fading colors, no loose threads, everything is still good!
I have multiple Peak Design backpacks and bags, $700 leather duffle bag and I also have several of the $10 Targus backpacks from Best Buy and whatnot and they are all good in my opinion. I have so many bags I have one of those industrial metal shelving units that like 4 tiers, full of bags. Also as someone who owns many bags and backpacks including many expensive ones I can say this backpack is ludicrously overpriced.
@@venom5809 Compared to the shoulder bag that can fit barely a few condoms and costs several thousand dollars, I'd say it's not too overpriced. Would I buy the Nomin? Nope. Is it expensive? Absolutely. As I said, it's all relative. If you can afford it and want it, buy it. Otherwise, don't.
If this normal bag is worth 800 bucks, then the peak design everyday backpack should be double that price for the technology, structure and organisation is has.
The Peak Design is nice but extremely structured, which makes it look too technical for some.
The fabric alone is beyond special. Your comparison is like a Honda Accord compared to Bentley. You're not paying for organization and pockets. You are paying for the materials, how they assembled it and the design. The technology to do that is carried out specifically by Veilance themselves 100% in Canada by textile artisans. Arcteryx states that this pack is the most technical and complex product they make, with a super fabric made specifically for this use and not any other Arc bag. If you don't understand why a Bentley costs more than an Accord, than you won't understand this bag, you'll keep coming back to it being minimal and the price, but the complex material and assembly will go over your head. A Jansport would serve you just as well and two Walmart plastic bags could carry everything you need in this bag.
At $800 no way... but an interesting bag.
Wow and I thought the Filson journeyman was expensive, I think I’d rather invest on a new Ricoh gr iii than this... thing.
Just watched a review of the black one, it looks much better, reminded me of the Cotopaxi style, anyways I think the materials used are very advanced and interesting specially if you live in really rainy place but spending that much on a backpack is definitely going to be controversial and I still would not buy it, even if it checked all the boxes for daily carry other than the materials, there are so many other things you can buy with $800 and this silver version does not help either, it kind of emphasizes how ridiculous the price sounds...
Agree, definitely not enough to justify $800.
I love the channel and the reviews are always spectacular. But dude - no one has ever touched anything as much much as you keep touching this bag in this video. Man...
What's the different between Pack Hacker Channel and this Pack Hacker Quick Hits? I'm just your new follower 😁 ...
Nomin!!!
This is the equivalent of selling 300 dollar work jeans broken in and pre weathered.
All the materials and hardware are used in gear selling for fifth of the price from the same brand.
Absolutely not the same thing. Plus educate yourself, this AC3s fabric isn't used on any other Arcteryx product. Only 2-3 other Veilance items and made 100% in Canada. That alone has a higher price vs China. If you want to complain about luxury tech price structuring, you're lost. If you own an Iphone or Samsung phone for example, I think you are a hypocrite considering your statement. Neither of those are thousand plus dollar phones but that's what they cost.
My God imagine paying $800 for this bag? A great example of paying for a name. So many better bags out there worth $500-$600 and this one just spits it's entitlement at you.
Granville is 25% of the price. NOT worth it.. insane
I agree... Veilance is a luxury brand. You can find a lot of their jackets like the Rhomb on the Gore-wear website for half the price (sans a feature or two).
The price point is absolutely absurd.
When I think "minimalism", it's not $800 designer backpacks with a featureless aesthetic.
Nice but too expensive bag.
Are you crazy 😜 800 for a pouch
it's not worth 800 no way
800 what?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the vanity of vanities everything is vanity ...
I love Arcteryx but don’t like Veilance
There is nothing about this backpack that justifies a $800 price tag, let alone half that. Plastic hardware, no luxuries, an uninteresting design. It even looks like theirs a stain on the top of the outside of it...
This bag doesn't even justify a pricetag of 100 dollars since for that price you can get a mystery ranch urban assault 21/24 which is the highest rated bag on their website and this doesn't even come close to that bag.
800 bucks for this? There are other packs with way better looks and design. I don’t understand the attraction to this bag. Those straps like so uncomfortable