The only reason any of them should be free is if it turned out they were innocent, like if they were misidentified or deliberately framed. Even then, someone else should take his/her place - like the real child molester or the one/s who set him/her up.
@polarbearsrus6980 appear vulnerable? all kids look vulnerable to predators. let's teach people not to be predators instead of pushing responsibility onto kids. though I do think kids ought to know self defense and how to get away. once you get into appearances, it leads to a whole slew of toxic expectations, especially for girls.
I went to school with her back then. She was a nice girl. There is a memorial for her at the local public pool now that the family had made with the money that was supposed to go to the reward for information, I think. A pavilion and a stone with an engraved plate on it is at the pool, and there have been candlelight walks and other types of memorials. We had our Halloween activities in the daytime for years afterwards in the 90s.
@@kathybates1751 I have a clipping somewhere that I liked, in which her mother talks about things like her favorite music, which is a nicer way to remember her.
Thank you, Dr. Grande. Could you analyze the case of the 14-year-old Indigenous girl who disappeared recently and was found at Camp Pendleton. One Marine has been arrested, as I understand. Security allowed her to be brought on base, where she was human trafficked. Her trauma needs attention, and those involved, punished. Camp leadership is blaming her and has called her an "underage prostitute." A 14-year-old cannot give consent. Her abuse is horrific.
theres an MSNBC video from a day ago. Did u watch it? i assume you did. Theres a oart about Camp Pendleton being involved in a drug and sex trafficking case in 2020 also. Anyway i wonder what the girl has said about it. Id like to know.
@@esteemedmortal5917 It seems to me that when you take a minor across state lines it becomes a federal crime. When the Marine took the girl onto federal property, the same rule should apply. It's also a military crime, so the Marine could be punished twice; once by the military, and once by civilian authorities. Believe it or not, this does **NOT** violate the 5th Amendment.
I Will tell you why child molesters are let loose/protected in prison, are you ready?... Its because it is a sickening indulgence that people (if you can call them that) from every level of society partake in. From the poor right up to the elite & it's at the very top where it is at its most rampant & depraved but very well organised & hidden, hidden to an extent anyway. If these rich & well connected types do find themselves having to do a stretch inside then they make sure there are measures in place so that they always get out & as quickly as possible & are protected while in prison...an insurance policy if you will. Just Google "Labour 25" & you may be shocked at just how many politicians in my country have been convicted & when released are welcomed back into the party by their mates with open arms & no further consequences, huh no wonder they call them parties hey? Have a good day & all the best ❤
Oh they can be rehabilitated. According to some a pedophile can become a normal average person who just wants a typical average life with a partner, kids, white picket fence.
disagree. the death penalty is actually more expensive than life in prison and there's no garuntee they live long enough to be executed bc it takes so long, with appeals and all the paper work and such. it's better to let them suffer for years than to quickly end their life, imo, anyway.
I think Dr. Grande is a little bit hard on the police investigation. They did a lot. They tested more than 100 men's DNA. It is easy to have hindsight about what should have been done when you are looking at it afterward. I think the police did the best they could. You can always find gaps that should have been done. Just my opinion.
As a foreigner, I don't understand the American justice system. On one hand, people have been getting life for selling weed; on the other hand, sexual predator can be released on bail and commit more crimes. It looks like the US justice system goes from unexplainably punitive to incomprehensibly lenient.
As an American, I don't understand it either. Prison sentences don't always fit the crimes. Also justice is not evenly handed out, based on where it occurs and the accused's race, among other things.
America has kid diddlers in the highest echelons of government and political power. Can't crack down too hard on their own suppliers. The CPS and DCFS are involved in the biggest child sex trafficking ring in the country.
Ohhhh... don't even... 😅😅😅 They will even protect and glorify groomers. As long as you do it out in the open, like letting your eggplant hang loose for the children on the street to see, it's ok. 👌 Their children are not allowed to drink before a certain age, but they are allowed to chop off some body parts as underage without parents' consent. 😆
I just watched Jim Caviezel telling why he told his sister that her teenage daughter can NOT walk home to and from school, or anywhere, for that matter. His research into the role as Tim Ballard in Sound of Freedom was an eye opener on how dangerous things are for children today.
The part about her asking the friend to walk her all the way home cause she was scared got me. It’s an awful thing to have a bad feeling about something scary happening and then it happens. Can only imagine what was going through her mind when he grabbed her.
"Sometimes offenders can be so audacious, it can actually increase their chances of getting away with a crime." Such a great point, and one that is lost on us, much of the time.
To the mother of this beautiful little girl: I hope you have found peace. Your loss is insurmountable, but it was an honest mistake. I pray you don’t beat yourself up, but live in the love and memory of your beautiful daughter. She would want you to find peace and celebrate her memory every day. Thank you for bringing her into this world. It is a better place because she was in it 💕
I remember watching a documentary or episode on this heartbreaking case. Thankfully Shauna finally received the justice that she deserved. Rest in peace Shauna. 💗
Play fight with your children, teach them how to seriously injure someone if they try to put their hands on them. The fingers in the eyes, private areas, bite, scream every cuss word at the top of their lungs. When people hear children scream cuss words they will pay attention. It's an unfortunate situation but I feel for the mother. I couldn't live with myself. It is a devastating tragedy
As practical as that sounds, I unfortunately see a flaw with this plan. Your child may use their newfound skills to harm INNOCENT people, maliciously or otherwise. A non-malicious example would be is if someone tried to hug them, whether they be an adult or another child, and they mistake it for a kidnapping attempt. You might want to teach your kid what constitutes a kidnapping attempt and what doesn't. However, if your child is a bully, has anger problems, and/or is outright evil, expect their victim count to multiply. Worse, s/he may LIE about a kidnapping attempt afterwards if caught. How would you address this? Would you warn that there will be consequences (that actually hurt and you plan on enforcing) for hurting the wrong person?
@@robinantonio8870 I would love to know what psychopath invented this one. Obviously, it has never been more effective to yell fire or cuss words. If a child is screaming for help, people take that extremely seriously. WHy are we pretending that's not true?
@@red_five3325 I see another issue with OP's suggestion. Physically disadvantaged victims can further provoke their assailants, causing further physical abuse and damage by trying to fight back or yell out. My sensei taught me to RUN before ever fighting, as my winning the fight (even if well trained) was unlikely given my size. The evidence bears his suggestion out.
I'm from the same generation as Shauna and we used to ride our bikes or walk all over town. I just had to be home by 6:30 for dinner. Looking back, we were sitting ducks for predators. "Helicopter parenting" has its negative effects, but creeps with rusty window-less vans have a hard time finding kids to abduct because of it.
"This was the old 'Halloween Kidnapping Prank' that some many generations have enjoyed. It was just like 'Trick or Treating', but the trick was a felony." I LOOOOOOVE Dr. Grande!
Your description about the girl being kidnapped and thrown in the dry riverbed was so clear.. I was crying internally for this little girl. May she rest in the arms of Jesus Christ.
Of all his vids I've watched I loveeeeee 98% of them. Because of my disability I have comprehension and memory issues. Occasionally I have to re-watch some vids because of the length. But the vast majority of his vids have awesome delivery. I know I sound critical. But still. I wish I didn't have to rewatch. But if only given the option I'd have no issue with rewatching any vid he posts
@@gcham1209 I’m constantly rewinding parts that I didn’t comprehend, especially about the plots and characters names, so I know how it is. “Listening” comprehension is not necessarily my forte either, but once I get everything memorized it’s highly entertaining. I’ve been watching him going on 3 years 👍
@@HexagonFL approximately the same. Awhile before one of my best friends passed away. She passed on November 28th 2022. She used to hit me up with a few of Dr Grande's vids. I then told her I already subscribed. Lolz. Goshdarn I miss her
Anxiously awaiting an evaluation of the (alleged) serial killer Rex Heuerman.I worked in the justice system all my adult life and your evaluations are thorough and well done. People need to understand what kind of people are out there who only mean us harm.
I should imagine her poor mother regrets not organising a lift for her daughter, these evil men should not be able to breathe the same oxygen as most decent people. Thanks Dr Grande.
This little girl is my my best friend’s cousin. I remember the whole family and how heartbroken they all were when she was found dead. As any family would be. It is still sad but my BF remembers Shauna and her death every year. Oil City isn’t a place that we ever thought would harbor such evil. I guess any place, small town or not is a place where crime could happen. God bless you Shauna! You are loved and missed!!
Thank you for covering this criminal case. You cover criminal behavior and it’s perpetrators in an analytical way. This is why I and so many on uTube listen to you frequently. Thank you. 🤔👍
I’m a friend of Shauna’s mother and she is still blaming herself, she loved her daughter so very much. I’ll call her Mary as I don’t want to post her name. Mary was working and didn’t actually forget to make arrangements for Shauna, someone had always in the past taken Shauna home after the Girl Scout meetings. As an aside, my daughter was in the same troop. Right before the meeting/Halloween party ended, Mary remembered at the last minute that the lady wasn’t able to give Shauna a ride home. Mary was still at work, but she called where the party had taken place but Shauna and her friend had already left. When they found Shauna’s body, Mary’s brothers went to identify her as Mary was barely functioning. Due to the incompetency of the police department, Mary and her family moved away to another state for several years. They moved back about 8 years ago and Mary worked until last year and had to quit due to health issues. I don’t know for sure but I believe they were due to ongoing grief and self-blame. My heart always hurt for the family and Mary continued to punish herself.
Dr. Grande I know this video is two weeks old so I really hope you see this. I've been subscribed to your channel soon after it's conceptualization but I've been limiting my consumption of media recently. I am familiar with this case and many other topics you cover, I was wondering if you could make a video explaining how and what young children (or someone of any age for that matter) should do if they're approached by a stranger(s) I know stranger abduction is exceedingly rare but let's eliminate it even further!
I'm from the area and grew up hearing this story, especially around Halloween. Shauna Howe is beloved and celebrated to this day. I can confidently say that the ONLY reason this case wasn't solved is because of Oil City PD. When someone envisions this area, you cannot believe how small this area is truly is. That car would have been extremely unusal and known at the time to belong to this man because the pizza shop he worked at was located right in the tiny "downtown". Adults also told kids to STAY AWAY from the O'brian brothers because they were that creepy. When we did trick-or-treat, we always skipped their house. There are many murders in this area that have gone unsolved, even recently with modern DNA and forensics. It's dissapointing that adults in this area knew how disturbed these men were and the police didn't even sneeze in their direction because they couldn't be bothered to check if these men were out of jail at the time or investigate easily identifiable aspects of this case. God bless the Howe family. Because of their pain, parents woke up a little bit and realized not everyone is safe to be around your children.
James O'brien was in state prison at the time of his arrest in this case. As noted in the video, he attempted to put a young lady in the trunk of his car, but he told other inmates he was locked up for robbery. James was conspicuously loud and confrontive with pedophiles in prison, far more so than is customary among inmates, and he made his contempt for them clear to everyone in earshot. This is peculiar, given some years before he and his brother had raped and murdered an 11-year-old girl. I believe that Ted Walker was simply a hapless participant who associated with the brothers for a vicarious sense of being tough and dangerous, however perverse that may seem, and he went along with the "prank" in order to be a part of their clique. He only realized how dreadful the situation was after it was too late. What really broke the case was when Timothy O'brien disclosed (bragged) about his part in the crime to a cellmate during a lockdown.
I remember this very well. It was 1 town over from where i grew up. A friend of the family had one of killers at Lincoln Elementry. The little bastard tried to steal 50 bucks from her but was caught.
This may be off topic but when someone is a danger to the community they should not have bail at any price. Low level non violent crimes could wear an ankle monitor and avoid pre trial detention. We are the only country in the world that allows for profit bail other than the phillipines. I don’t think we should be emulating a third world authoritarian government. Those brothers never should have been out of prison that day
you say that, but there's plenty of cases where the perpetrator was not the one the police took into custody. the point of bail is to make sure they are nearby for the court case. it's also to make sure a defendant can maintain their freedom while on trial. everyone has a right to a fair trial, even if you personally think they're guilty or not guilty. so even if it seems pretty obvious they did it (like in this case), they are not guilty until proven so beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury.
Thanks, as always, Dr. Grande. I always catch up on your latest video in the morning with coffee; I look forward to it every time. A very sad (and frustrating) story, this time.
Oh, wow. I was not ever expecting to see this case on your channel. This is why I was not allowed to trick or treat or walk home alone from church or anywhere. It had a major effect on the whole county. This sort if thing just didn't happen in our area.
The O'Brien brothers' trials were held in Indiana County, PA, 87 miles from Oil City. The residents of Venango County (where Oil City is located), plus all surrounding counties, were thought to be too biased towards the O'Briens to give them a fair trial.
I def appreciate the freedom/independence I had growing up in the early 90s. Got chased by dogs, bullies, crazy neighbors, few abduction attempts…wild times.
@@davhot4107 I had this exact experience while walking to the store one day. Was a van with 2 guys in it. The guy in the back asked where I was going, I told him. He asked what I'm going to buy, I told him. Then he's like "no need to walk all the way to the store, we've got Twix right here". All of my little 9yr old intuition was like "mmmnah I think I'm good"
Why didn't er father arrange to have the child picked up from the party? Why is it that the mother is always named as the at-fault party unless it is wholly obvious that the father is to blame?
Dr grande, please do a video on lisk being arrested. I have many friends that were backpage girls at one time, this story really upsets me, and makes me grateful I made big life changes. Supposedly they have an suv he was connected to that a victim was seen in, back in 2009. Look into that for us
I can't imagine what the mother went (is going) through due to neglecting to arrange a ride for her daughter. The rape/murder is not her fault but she probably feels some fault for it. So in addition to the natural grief of losing a child her suffering is compounded. She is also a victim of the crimes.
Eldred "Ted" Walker supposedly handed Shauna Howe over to Timothy O'Brien, who put Shauna Howe in the car, but the eyewitness never said there were two men. The eyewitness only saw one tall, skinny man wearing an Army jacket and a baseball cap.
Eldred "Ted" Walker asked Shauna Howe if she was selling Girl Scout cookies. Shauna Howe was not in her Girl Scout uniform, so how did Ted Walker know she was a Girl Scout?
There was a TV show back awhile where retired court people and local police tried to solve or prove Cold Cases and it was filmed to make a show. They had aboard they worked off of so they could see what had been done then additional steps were listed beside then added to the board. That way one person assuming incorrect something and voicing that would not trip up an investigation. Sounds like a good way to work. Everyone can see and contribute. We like to think we have ticked all boxes of a problem we were researching but sooner or later each of us overlooks something important and colleagues are used to being supportive and take the "lead guys" word all the ducks are in a row.
So much in our lives can be summed up by " if only"..how many times have we all said these two words??? Another senseless murder of a child who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I hope those two evil waste of spacers burn in hell for what they did. There,s so many of them...hope there,s still plenty of room.
When my mom was only about I think she was 5 it was her first year of school and cuz you know those nights I think it may have been 19 4748 timeframe maybe even 40 anyway that late forties and her mother forgot her to school and that was you know people didn't worry like they do now and and all the teachers and everybody left the school and she standing there and a mother runs torrance's I wasn't worried because I knew you were going to pick me up and that's trust that's belief and yet I thank God my mother was you no stay there she said nobody was at the school and she stayed there and her mother finally remembered and came and picked her up and I just feel so bad for these parents who this kind of thing happens to and my mother always had trust trust was it she had Altima trust in people and I miss her so much❤
Awesome vid like always doc. 15 mins and 2 seconds of awesomeness. My ex fiancee who passed away late last year lived in the 502 area code. So if anything bummed me out it's the length of the vid. Otherwise completely awesome. P.S. Can u plz do a vid on Vinnie Politan doc? I'm hooked on courttv almost as much as these vids
Growing up in a small town that is safe, I never thought of (or heard) anyone being kidnapped. I am curious as to what a community should do if something like this happens. I would imagine it is as much of the fault of the local culture as any one element.
if I were that Girl Scout leader those girls would not leave the meeting unless someone came to pick them up or I arranged a ride for them. When I was RN supervisor I drove young women home myself if they missed their bus or no one came to pick them up. I grew up in a rural area in Pennsylvania and we spent our time running through fields and climbing the neighbors trees. No more! I didn’t allow my daughter to do that and I won’t allow my grandchildren
Probably at the time the girl scout leader wasn't aware or kidnapping wasn't unheard of. Some people don't really watch local news then and present. I myself and my family wasn't into tv then and never heard such thing as kidnapping.
@@glow1815 I’m sure she wasn’t and no one anticipates a horrific kidnapping and murder. She probably feels terrible. Hopefully others can learn and be more careful. Those criminals probably would have attempted something like this no matter what anyone did
Interesting how people will say that we should let our kids out to play and nostalgically remember how they used to just have to be home when the street lights go on and how kids should not be so stuck to their video games, etc. I believe kids are addicted to video games, and I think that should be addressed, but dang, letting kids go out to play is like playing Russian roulette with two at the ready.
Not if the kids are properly supervised. I'm surprised the school let her walk home. One time my Mom was a few minutes late ( her watch had stopped) from picking me up from 1st grade. The public school left me on the sidewalk alone. My Mom was so furious she immediately enrolled me in catholic school because they would never leave a child outside.
I have no sympathy for these hideous men. I don’t think child molesters should ever be free.Thank you Dr. Grande for covering this.
No they need to be castrated and locked up forever.
I totally agree with you .. The law must change
The only reason any of them should be free is if it turned out they were innocent, like if they were misidentified or deliberately framed. Even then, someone else should take his/her place - like the real child molester or the one/s who set him/her up.
The fastest growing demographic of criminals is the female child molester. Equality you know.
That poor little innocent girl. God rest her soul
God rest her soul? Why did he not stop that violent crime from happening then?
Every hour of every day predators are out there.
Never ever let your guard down.
@polarbearsrus6980 appear vulnerable? all kids look vulnerable to predators. let's teach people not to be predators instead of pushing responsibility onto kids.
though I do think kids ought to know self defense and how to get away. once you get into appearances, it leads to a whole slew of toxic expectations, especially for girls.
I went to school with her back then. She was a nice girl. There is a memorial for her at the local public pool now that the family had made with the money that was supposed to go to the reward for information, I think. A pavilion and a stone with an engraved plate on it is at the pool, and there have been candlelight walks and other types of memorials. We had our Halloween activities in the daytime for years afterwards in the 90s.
Thank you for letting us know more about her.
@@kathybates1751 I have a clipping somewhere that I liked, in which her mother talks about things like her favorite music, which is a nicer way to remember her.
Thank you, Dr. Grande. Could you analyze the case of the 14-year-old Indigenous girl who disappeared recently and was found at Camp Pendleton. One Marine has been arrested, as I understand. Security allowed her to be brought on base, where she was human trafficked. Her trauma needs attention, and those involved, punished. Camp leadership is blaming her and has called her an "underage prostitute." A 14-year-old cannot give consent. Her abuse is horrific.
It sounds like we need to learn more about what happened.
theres an MSNBC video from a day ago. Did u watch it? i assume you did. Theres a oart about Camp Pendleton being involved in a drug and sex trafficking case in 2020 also. Anyway i wonder what the girl has said about it. Id like to know.
Regardless, there is NO good or lawful reason to transport a minor who you do not have guardianship over. Sickening.
Yes please do this case and You need to do a case into the . Missing Indigenous woman as a whole..Why are there so many missing
@@esteemedmortal5917 It seems to me that when you take a minor across state lines it becomes a federal crime. When the Marine took the girl onto federal property, the same rule should apply. It's also a military crime, so the Marine could be punished twice; once by the military, and once by civilian authorities. Believe it or not, this does **NOT** violate the 5th Amendment.
Why oh why do we let sexual predators loose ? Can we not see depravity when it’s forced on a small child ? I don’t get.
I Will tell you why child molesters are let loose/protected in prison, are you ready?... Its because it is a sickening indulgence that people (if you can call them that) from every level of society partake in. From the poor right up to the elite & it's at the very top where it is at its most rampant & depraved but very well organised & hidden, hidden to an extent anyway. If these rich & well connected types do find themselves having to do a stretch inside then they make sure there are measures in place so that they always get out & as quickly as possible & are protected while in prison...an insurance policy if you will. Just Google "Labour 25" & you may be shocked at just how many politicians in my country have been convicted & when released are welcomed back into the party by their mates with open arms & no further consequences, huh no wonder they call them parties hey?
Have a good day & all the best ❤
We live in a sick world
Oh they can be rehabilitated. According to some a pedophile can become a normal average person who just wants a typical average life with a partner, kids, white picket fence.
It's Jewmerican policy. Same tactics was used at the Battle Of Berlin in 1945 by the Jewmerican Bolsheviks of the Soviet Union.
@@stardust4225 I'm assuming that's a joke
All three should have gotten the death penalty.
disagree. the death penalty is actually more expensive than life in prison and there's no garuntee they live long enough to be executed bc it takes so long, with appeals and all the paper work and such.
it's better to let them suffer for years than to quickly end their life, imo, anyway.
@@Sputterbugit shouldn’t be more expensive. I’m sure a lot of people would be willing to kill them for free
@@Sputterbugplus it’s not about the money, just the certainty that these … disgusting vile abominations will never strike again. Ever.
All valid points.
Police making stupid mistakes like not double-checking suspects jail records drives me wack, especially in cases that involve children.
I think Dr. Grande is a little bit hard on the police investigation. They did a lot. They tested more than 100 men's DNA. It is easy to have hindsight about what should have been done when you are looking at it afterward. I think the police did the best they could. You can always find gaps that should have been done. Just my opinion.
Yes it happens in all cases my daughter died in a fire and the police work done in her case is beyond unbelievable..
@@melissadavis225I'm so sorry. Blessings to you and for your daughter's precious soul
It would've been so easy, just to check! It's so careless. It's like they really didn't care
@@youcantdiealonewithcats ..Ya, lazy and inept.
As a foreigner, I don't understand the American justice system. On one hand, people have been getting life for selling weed; on the other hand, sexual predator can be released on bail and commit more crimes. It looks like the US justice system goes from unexplainably punitive to incomprehensibly lenient.
As an American, I don't understand it either. Prison sentences don't always fit the crimes. Also justice is not evenly handed out, based on where it occurs and the accused's race, among other things.
Our justice system is full of pedophiles and those who cover for them. Hope this cleared things up for you.
America has kid diddlers in the highest echelons of government and political power. Can't crack down too hard on their own suppliers. The CPS and DCFS are involved in the biggest child sex trafficking ring in the country.
Ohhhh... don't even... 😅😅😅
They will even protect and glorify groomers. As long as you do it out in the open, like letting your eggplant hang loose for the children on the street to see, it's ok. 👌
Their children are not allowed to drink before a certain age, but they are allowed to chop off some body parts as underage without parents' consent. 😆
@@dogtrainer4645 gag
I just watched Jim Caviezel telling why he told his sister that her teenage daughter can NOT walk home to and from school, or anywhere, for that matter. His research into the role as Tim Ballard in Sound of Freedom was an eye opener on how dangerous things are for children today.
Everyone should see that movie. 🙏❤
The part about her asking the friend to walk her all the way home cause she was scared got me. It’s an awful thing to have a bad feeling about something scary happening and then it happens. Can only imagine what was going through her mind when he grabbed her.
The problem is the damn society. People should be able to walk home without fear due to things like this.
I can’t believe the sloppy police work. How many people did they harm before they were caught? I would hate to live in that town.
The last thing any normal older guy wants is kids running around in his house. That alone should have put him on everyone’s radar.
I feel sad for the mother. forgetting to organise your child’s pickup that lead to their murder will haunt you forever
Or at least at the point take her yourself
her friend walked home too so it obviously wasn't that crappy of a move.
She didn’t forget. She just didn’t bother arranging it. Many in the midwest are still like that, and it’s usually bc they’re lazy and careless
Well at least thats my experience in ohio anyway.
I walked home all the time the 80s and early 90s were a different time.
So sad, rest in peace Shauna. I hope your mom forgives herself & heal.
This case gets me every time. Absolutely horrific 💔
"Sometimes offenders can be so audacious, it can actually increase their chances of getting away with a crime." Such a great point, and one that is lost on us, much of the time.
To the mother of this beautiful little girl: I hope you have found peace. Your loss is insurmountable, but it was an honest mistake. I pray you don’t beat yourself up, but live in the love and memory of your beautiful daughter. She would want you to find peace and celebrate her memory every day. Thank you for bringing her into this world. It is a better place because she was in it 💕
This is lovely ❤
Cannot even imagine the horror that poor little girl went through.
I remember watching a documentary or episode on this heartbreaking case. Thankfully Shauna finally received the justice that she deserved. Rest in peace Shauna. 💗
Play fight with your children, teach them how to seriously injure someone if they try to put their hands on them. The fingers in the eyes, private areas, bite, scream every cuss word at the top of their lungs. When people hear children scream cuss words they will pay attention. It's an unfortunate situation but I feel for the mother. I couldn't live with myself. It is a devastating tragedy
Also the shin scrape is a good deterrent as it is very painful for an assailant.
As practical as that sounds, I unfortunately see a flaw with this plan.
Your child may use their newfound skills to harm INNOCENT people, maliciously or otherwise. A non-malicious example would be is if someone tried to hug them, whether they be an adult or another child, and they mistake it for a kidnapping attempt. You might want to teach your kid what constitutes a kidnapping attempt and what doesn't. However, if your child is a bully, has anger problems, and/or is outright evil, expect their victim count to multiply. Worse, s/he may LIE about a kidnapping attempt afterwards if caught.
How would you address this? Would you warn that there will be consequences (that actually hurt and you plan on enforcing) for hurting the wrong person?
@robinantonio8870 they might pay attention but they also might just run away.
@@robinantonio8870 I would love to know what psychopath invented this one. Obviously, it has never been more effective to yell fire or cuss words. If a child is screaming for help, people take that extremely seriously. WHy are we pretending that's not true?
@@red_five3325 I see another issue with OP's suggestion. Physically disadvantaged victims can further provoke their assailants, causing further physical abuse and damage by trying to fight back or yell out. My sensei taught me to RUN before ever fighting, as my winning the fight (even if well trained) was unlikely given my size. The evidence bears his suggestion out.
I'm from the same generation as Shauna and we used to ride our bikes or walk all over town. I just had to be home by 6:30 for dinner. Looking back, we were sitting ducks for predators. "Helicopter parenting" has its negative effects, but creeps with rusty window-less vans have a hard time finding kids to abduct because of it.
What's helicopter parenting?
@@Reeeeeee12345parents who micro manage their childs' lives.
@@Reeeeeee12345 It's where you keep your kids under constant supervision.
Do they though? A majority of predators by far are family members, so locking kids up inside would do nothing to protect them.
@@Reeeeeee12345The term comes from helicopter because the parents are always "hovering" . Like a helicopter.
"This was the old 'Halloween Kidnapping Prank' that some many generations have enjoyed. It was just like 'Trick or Treating', but the trick was a felony."
I LOOOOOOVE Dr. Grande!
Your description about the girl being kidnapped and thrown in the dry riverbed was so clear.. I was crying internally for this little girl. May she rest in the arms of Jesus Christ.
Why couldn’t Jesus Christ have protected her from this violent crime?
Thanks Dr. Grande. Exquisitely delivered case analysis as usual. This case is disturbing and mind boggling.
Of all his vids I've watched I loveeeeee 98% of them. Because of my disability I have comprehension and memory issues. Occasionally I have to re-watch some vids because of the length. But the vast majority of his vids have awesome delivery. I know I sound critical. But still. I wish I didn't have to rewatch. But if only given the option I'd have no issue with rewatching any vid he posts
@@gcham1209 I’m constantly rewinding parts that I didn’t comprehend, especially about the plots and characters names, so I know how it is. “Listening” comprehension is not necessarily my forte either, but once I get everything memorized it’s highly entertaining. I’ve been watching him going on 3 years 👍
@@HexagonFL approximately the same. Awhile before one of my best friends passed away. She passed on November 28th 2022. She used to hit me up with a few of Dr Grande's vids. I then told her I already subscribed. Lolz. Goshdarn I miss her
Anxiously awaiting an evaluation of the (alleged) serial killer Rex Heuerman.I worked in the justice system all my adult life and your evaluations are thorough and well done. People need to understand what kind of people are out there who only mean us harm.
I should imagine her poor mother regrets not organising a lift for her daughter, these evil men should not be able to breathe the same oxygen as most decent people. Thanks Dr Grande.
Pagan holidays = wicked outcome not harmless fun .
@@jodybrown4956 Ah yes nothing more wicked than *checks notes* a fall harvest festival! A PARTY? to celebrate HAVING FOOD??? Godless heathens.
I remember seeing this case on tv. It really sickened me bc how could you torture a child??🤦🏾♀️
Hoping the O’Brien animals found some justice behind bars from other prisoners.
we're all animals
"Oh it was just a prank? Well excuse us for the accusations. You're free to go you loveable rascal! And might we add.... hilarious prank."
This little girl is my my best friend’s cousin. I remember the whole family and how heartbroken they all were when she was found dead. As any family would be. It is still sad but my BF remembers Shauna and her death every year. Oil City isn’t a place that we ever thought would harbor such evil. I guess any place, small town or not is a place where crime could happen. God bless you Shauna! You are loved and missed!!
Thank you for covering this criminal case. You cover criminal behavior and it’s perpetrators in an analytical way. This is why I and so many on uTube listen to you frequently. Thank you. 🤔👍
Hey dr grande idk if you’ll see this comment but I really appreciate your content and hard work I look forward to these vids nightly
I’m a friend of Shauna’s mother and she is still blaming herself, she loved her daughter so very much. I’ll call her Mary as I don’t want to post her name. Mary was working and didn’t actually forget to make arrangements for Shauna, someone had always in the past taken Shauna home after the Girl Scout meetings. As an aside, my daughter was in the same troop. Right before the meeting/Halloween party ended, Mary remembered at the last minute that the lady wasn’t able to give Shauna a ride home. Mary was still at work, but she called where the party had taken place but Shauna and her friend had already left. When they found Shauna’s body, Mary’s brothers went to identify her as Mary was barely functioning. Due to the incompetency of the police department, Mary and her family moved away to another state for several years. They moved back about 8 years ago and Mary worked until last year and had to quit due to health issues. I don’t know for sure but I believe they were due to ongoing grief and self-blame. My heart always hurt for the family and Mary continued to punish herself.
Every case highlights the laziness and incompetence of the police.
Dr. Grande I know this video is two weeks old so I really hope you see this. I've been subscribed to your channel soon after it's conceptualization but I've been limiting my consumption of media recently. I am familiar with this case and many other topics you cover, I was wondering if you could make a video explaining how and what young children (or someone of any age for that matter) should do if they're approached by a stranger(s)
I know stranger abduction is exceedingly rare but let's eliminate it even further!
I'm from the area and grew up hearing this story, especially around Halloween. Shauna Howe is beloved and celebrated to this day. I can confidently say that the ONLY reason this case wasn't solved is because of Oil City PD. When someone envisions this area, you cannot believe how small this area is truly is. That car would have been extremely unusal and known at the time to belong to this man because the pizza shop he worked at was located right in the tiny "downtown". Adults also told kids to STAY AWAY from the O'brian brothers because they were that creepy. When we did trick-or-treat, we always skipped their house. There are many murders in this area that have gone unsolved, even recently with modern DNA and forensics. It's dissapointing that adults in this area knew how disturbed these men were and the police didn't even sneeze in their direction because they couldn't be bothered to check if these men were out of jail at the time or investigate easily identifiable aspects of this case. God bless the Howe family. Because of their pain, parents woke up a little bit and realized not everyone is safe to be around your children.
James O'brien was in state prison at the time of his arrest in this case. As noted in the video, he attempted to put a young lady in the trunk of his car, but he told other inmates he was locked up for robbery. James was conspicuously loud and confrontive with pedophiles in prison, far more so than is customary among inmates, and he made his contempt for them clear to everyone in earshot. This is peculiar, given some years before he and his brother had raped and murdered an 11-year-old girl. I believe that Ted Walker was simply a hapless participant who associated with the brothers for a vicarious sense of being tough and dangerous, however perverse that may seem, and he went along with the "prank" in order to be a part of their clique. He only realized how dreadful the situation was after it was too late. What really broke the case was when Timothy O'brien disclosed (bragged) about his part in the crime to a cellmate during a lockdown.
That mother will never be able to forgive herself. It was an innocent mistake that led to a completely unpredictable tragedy. My heart goes out to her
Poor little girl.
Shauna had only 11 years on the planet before her life was extinguished by these horrifying creatures. It is terrible that such evil exists.
I remember this very well. It was 1 town over from where i grew up. A friend of the family had one of killers at Lincoln Elementry. The little bastard tried to steal 50 bucks from her but was caught.
Poor poor girl… she must have been so scared, what a terrible thing
Dinner with Dr. Grande, what a treat!
This may be off topic but when someone is a danger to the community they should not have bail at any price. Low level non violent crimes could wear an ankle monitor and avoid pre trial detention. We are the only country in the world that allows for profit bail other than the phillipines. I don’t think we should be emulating a third world authoritarian government. Those brothers never should have been out of prison that day
you say that, but there's plenty of cases where the perpetrator was not the one the police took into custody. the point of bail is to make sure they are nearby for the court case. it's also to make sure a defendant can maintain their freedom while on trial.
everyone has a right to a fair trial, even if you personally think they're guilty or not guilty. so even if it seems pretty obvious they did it (like in this case), they are not guilty until proven so beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury.
How sad. Rest in peace
Thanks, as always, Dr. Grande. I always catch up on your latest video in the morning with coffee; I look forward to it every time. A very sad (and frustrating) story, this time.
Wow this is awful. Mom has got to be haunted by this due to the lack of organization in having her picked up. The police did a LOUSY job, btw.
Oh, wow. I was not ever expecting to see this case on your channel. This is why I was not allowed to trick or treat or walk home alone from church or anywhere. It had a major effect on the whole county. This sort if thing just didn't happen in our area.
Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande.
The O'Brien brothers' trials were held in Indiana County, PA, 87 miles from Oil City. The residents of Venango County (where Oil City is located), plus all surrounding counties, were thought to be too biased towards the O'Briens to give them a fair trial.
Absolutely horrific crime. Very insightful analysis as always.
First time hearing about this case
Poor little girl. I can't imagine the horror for three days. How TF do we get people like these three monsters?
I can't even imagine how the mother felt. I don't think I could ever forgive myself. Too bad the police weren't more thorough.
I def appreciate the freedom/independence I had growing up in the early 90s. Got chased by dogs, bullies, crazy neighbors, few abduction attempts…wild times.
"Hey kid there is free candy on the back of my van, hop up!"
You are a male
The west has too much freedom. Too many individuals. Too many titles…limited freedom is the best option here, and was always inevitable.
@@davhot4107 I had this exact experience while walking to the store one day. Was a van with 2 guys in it. The guy in the back asked where I was going, I told him. He asked what I'm going to buy, I told him. Then he's like "no need to walk all the way to the store, we've got Twix right here".
All of my little 9yr old intuition was like "mmmnah I think I'm good"
Just a reminder, Dr Grande is a machine.
Hes a machine built specifically for calculating the ratio between circumstances that *could* be happening to situations *like this*
I grew up in Oil City, surprised this case is on here!
Why didn't er father arrange to have the child picked up from the party? Why is it that the mother is always named as the at-fault party unless it is wholly obvious that the father is to blame?
Obvious subconscious reasons
Dr grande, please do a video on lisk being arrested. I have many friends that were backpage girls at one time, this story really upsets me, and makes me grateful I made big life changes. Supposedly they have an suv he was connected to that a victim was seen in, back in 2009. Look into that for us
Love your calm voice Dr. Grande and how you are a decent husband to your wife (from what ive seen on here anyway) great videos and well explained
I can't imagine what the mother went (is going) through due to neglecting to arrange a ride for her daughter. The rape/murder is not her fault but she probably feels some fault for it. So in addition to the natural grief of losing a child her suffering is compounded. She is also a victim of the crimes.
Another very sad case. I do enjoy the older ones too. Great analysis again. Thanks Dr G😊🤍💛
Good evening Dr Grande, excellent analysis. As always I learn something new from your videos.
Happy Bastille Day
I love your videos 🌵
What a horrible crime. To throw a young girl, still alive, off a bridge into a creek bed like a bag of garbage. Vile murderers.
Can you please analyse some Australian cases: Ebony Simpson, Daniel Morcombe, and Anita Cobby. Thanks so much!
Eldred "Ted" Walker supposedly handed Shauna Howe over to Timothy O'Brien, who put Shauna Howe in the car, but the eyewitness never said there were two men. The eyewitness only saw one tall, skinny man wearing an Army jacket and a baseball cap.
That poor kid.
Dr Grande, I'd love for you to cover the case of Anita Cobby
Eldred "Ted" Walker asked Shauna Howe if she was selling Girl Scout cookies. Shauna Howe was not in her Girl Scout uniform, so how did Ted Walker know she was a Girl Scout?
I grew up in the Oil City area and remember when this happened, I think was 13 at the time.
There was a TV show back awhile where retired court people and local police tried to solve or prove Cold Cases and it was filmed to make a show. They had aboard they worked off of so they could see what had been done then additional steps were listed beside then added to the board. That way one person assuming incorrect something and voicing that would not trip up an investigation. Sounds like a good way to work. Everyone can see and contribute. We like to think we have ticked all boxes of a problem we were researching but sooner or later each of us overlooks something important and colleagues are used to being supportive and take the "lead guys" word all the ducks are in a row.
If her friend had walked Shauna home, she may have been the one who got grabbed.
or neither of them. but we won't know bc it didn't happen
I just moved from Oil city PA to California
Shauna's brother unfortunately died last week
A very sad story
Always interesting
Thank you
Peace 💕🇺🇲
Poor little girl
So much in our lives can be summed up by " if only"..how many times have we all said these two words??? Another senseless murder of a child who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I hope those two evil waste of spacers burn in hell for what they did. There,s so many of them...hope there,s still plenty of room.
I like this vid. Good insight and great analysis.
Thank you for this information.😊
When my mom was only about I think she was 5 it was her first year of school and cuz you know those nights I think it may have been 19 4748 timeframe maybe even 40 anyway that late forties and her mother forgot her to school and that was you know people didn't worry like they do now and and all the teachers and everybody left the school and she standing there and a mother runs torrance's I wasn't worried because I knew you were going to pick me up and that's trust that's belief and yet I thank God my mother was you no stay there she said nobody was at the school and she stayed there and her mother finally remembered and came and picked her up and I just feel so bad for these parents who this kind of thing happens to and my mother always had trust trust was it she had Altima trust in people and I miss her so much❤
Heartbreaking 😢
If only Shauna had walked to her friends house, then walked home with her friend’s father. She would be alive. Poor girl.
Imagine how they conceive the idea to kidnap a little girl ... What must they say to each other ???
Awesome vid like always doc. 15 mins and 2 seconds of awesomeness. My ex fiancee who passed away late last year lived in the 502 area code. So if anything bummed me out it's the length of the vid. Otherwise completely awesome. P.S. Can u plz do a vid on Vinnie Politan doc? I'm hooked on courttv almost as much as these vids
Growing up in a small town that is safe, I never thought of (or heard) anyone being kidnapped.
I am curious as to what a community should do if something like this happens.
I would imagine it is as much of the fault of the local culture as any one element.
Can you do an analysis on the case of Zackary Ramsay?
Please do a personality profile on the O'Brien brothers.
Ugh My thoughts exactly about the Mom forgetting a ride! the poor little girl 😔
You are the best Doctor Grande I like how you talk with your eyes, gesture, and expressions
Just listening to the story makes me sick. Pure evil.
Prayers for her soul - prayers for her family.
Dr. Grande. Can you do a video on Tim Ballard and his organization? His movie is getting big.
Really sad
A Halloween party at a Church….interesting.
if I were that Girl Scout leader those girls would not leave the meeting unless someone came to pick them up or I arranged a ride for them. When I was RN supervisor I drove young women home myself if they missed their bus or no one came to pick them up. I grew up in a rural area in Pennsylvania and we spent our time running through fields and climbing the neighbors trees. No more! I didn’t allow my daughter to do that and I won’t allow my grandchildren
Probably at the time the girl scout leader wasn't aware or kidnapping wasn't unheard of. Some people don't really watch local news then and present. I myself and my family wasn't into tv then and never heard such thing as kidnapping.
@@glow1815 I’m sure she wasn’t and no one anticipates a horrific kidnapping and murder. She probably feels terrible. Hopefully others can learn and be more careful. Those criminals probably would have attempted something like this no matter what anyone did
Good for the witness. No cell phones then 😪
DNA was kind of new to police?
Horrifying abduction
Shauna's last days are unimaginable.
I bet the mother will never forgive herself
Interesting how people will say that we should let our kids out to play and nostalgically remember how they used to just have to be home when the street lights go on and how kids should not be so stuck to their video games, etc. I believe kids are addicted to video games, and I think that should be addressed, but dang, letting kids go out to play is like playing Russian roulette with two at the ready.
Not if the kids are properly supervised. I'm surprised the school let her walk home. One time my Mom was a few minutes late ( her watch had stopped) from picking me up from 1st grade. The public school left me on the sidewalk alone. My Mom was so furious she immediately enrolled me in catholic school because they would never leave a child outside.
Truly. It's not even safe to take them to church.
poor Shauna.😢
Please, never let your child walk home alone in the dark.....ever,