In fact, it is not a full-fledged DLSS4 that will be available on 5000 series cards, the Transformer model is more focused on improving image quality, especially when moving, because of this there is a slight drop in fps. About the tests of the new graphics cards (rtx 5000), they will be after the release, nvidia did not send me them for the test, so I'm waiting for them to appear in the store, as soon as they appear I will make a maximal fast and fair tests. (I'll tell you a secret, the rtx 5090 will be out of stock in most countries upon release, with the 5080 the situation is a bit better.)
This is also without the new reflex update that will be baked into the drivers. That will make the input latency of the new model much better from what was demonstrated.
We will never get away from Frame Generation anymore. With DLSS 4, it runs smoothly and will likely get better over the years. I am not saying whether this is positive or negative; it is simply the new reality.
Can you make a comparison between DLSS 3 quality mode and DLSS 4 performance mode? I'd like to know if the new performance mode can come close to old quality mode.
@@perry4589 Maybe it differs from game to game as well. In some games it really makes no difference and sometimes even worse. Assuming DLSS will always reduce the VRAM usage is a bad take just because "it runs on lower res". That's usually not the case. 🤧🥲
Nope DLSS models is handled by each game. Only being able to enable multi frame gen is handled by the driver it seems for 5000 cards. You can even take this new transformer model and shove it into DLSS 2 titles that never got updated DLSS models.
I tried CBP with new transformer Dlss4 on my RTX 4080S in Q mode+max detail,, full rt and i was shocked. Insane quality and performance (QHD). No need to upgrade GPU.
Im absolutely blown away by the transformer mode. Im on a 3070 playing pathtracing at 3440x1440p DLSS ultra performance with RR getting 60 fps without framegen and it looks unbelievable. It looks better than FSR 2/3-Quality mode. Edit: for clarity, I turned PT on in a non demanding area(new to the game, had it forever lol) its around the 40’s with PT and 60’s with Psycho RT, RR and maxed.
@@notbrokebrolt6281 it looks better than FSR 2 or 3 quality with the new transformer mode. Psycho RT is above 60 100% of the time. Pathtracing maxed out dips into the 40’s. So i’ll gladly concede that PT is not 60
@ zWORMz tested the 5090 at 4k path tracing but at one point also dropped dlss to performance while using transformer (130 fps) and it looked very good, it'd be interesting to see it use 2k ultrawide as baseline on a 3070. Archie Bunker might really be having a good time.
@ArchieBunker11 yes I tried it on 1440p with dlss balance I can say dlss balance on transformer version Look like dlss quality CNN version And dlss quality on transformer version look like native resolution That on 1440p , But I think now with dlss transformer 1080p dlss will be finally good
You left motion blur on high and depth of field on...? How is anyone supposed to tell the image quality differences when those things will basically make it all blurry.
4090 285k with 96gb 6000, games completely maxed out and in 4K. ultra performance on new model, 100fps stable in city. Performance around 80-85. Frame gen performance around 120-130. Ultra performance with frame gen, never dips below 140. Visually, on performance with sharpness cranked it looks amazing.
I actually noticed that they need to do some work on the transformer model. I’ve done a few tests and when you turn on the transformer model things start to look a little fuzzy or in certain shadows versus the old model I think they need to work on that. For reference I’m on an RTX 4090
average framerate seems a bit lower with the transformer model, but it seems like the frametime is a lot smoother with much higher 1% lows compared to the cnn model. and with the significantly improved visuals, seems like a net improvement overall at the expense of 4-5 fps on average.
@@volodya8321 yeah I noticed that moving text had little to no ghosting it was honestly the only thing I could notice (also personal experience on a 40's card)
All but the most obnoxious of artifacts will simply not be visible on a youtube video. RUclips heavily compresses videos to the point where running cyberpunk at native 1080p is gonna give you the same amount of detail and clarity as watching a 4k video of gameplay on youtube. To be fair to youtube, uncompressed video is simply unfeasable for any streaming platform. I've tested it myself. It cleans up some problem areas the original DLSS had, especially Ray Reconstruction Artifacts, and the overall clarity of each preset seemed to match a preset 1-2 levels higher on the older model which is extremely impressive.
@@volodya8321 I could notice that at lower resolutions things had much less of an oil painted look, less ghosting. at quality dlss or higher resolutions outside of ghosting it didn't matter too much but there was still a different in distant objects
i didnt notice any difference except slight sharpening which can be changed anyway? everything still ghosts and far away things look bad. what a dissapointment.
to put fsr 3 and amd frame generation it took 3 years... for nvidia the cards have not even come out, but there is already a nice gig from .20 to .21 that activates all the new features... damn.. with the .20 patch my modest rx 7800xt is equivalent to a 4070 ti .... of course without path tracing... but now I can put rt ultra and it goes from 55 to 65 fps on a resolution, with fsr active, 4k with quality setting and frame generation active. before I could never activate ray tracing unless playing at 20 fps. sorry for bad english
I just tried dlss for the first time by plugging in my 4060 laptop to my main monitor and i literally do not understand how there is so little artifacting and how the resolution is so good. Running dlss BALANCED at 1440p and it looks pretty damm good, way better than fsr 3 at quality for sure. I dont understand.
A lot of people are saying that with the new transformer model performance dlss looks like cnn's quality dlss setting letting you get more more fps without sacrificing visuals.
I have tested it myself and it looks way better especially when you turn on ray reconstruction. With the new dlss ray reconstruction looks amazingly insane. It doesn’t have the oily road and trails effect anymore it looks amazing like insane. I play on a 4070 ti super on WQHD
only multi frame gen (x3 and x4) is locked to blackwell, all turing and up has DLSS4 transformer and ray reconstruction. They've mentioned being able to adapt MFG to 4xxx and 3xxx at a later date, but don't really sit around waiting for it.
I think many of us will be stuck with 4090's. HWUB states a 25% price hike, but the reality will probably be much higher with the lack of availability. And of coarse I'm a 4k gamer where the biggest gains are with the 4090Ti (sorry the 5090 lol). Least we get some partial DLSS4 love. :)
There is clearly a drop in visual quality even with the transformer model, people saying they can't see it, they must be watching the video in 1080p or something or are trying to justify something to themselves. The transformer model is better than DLSS 3, that's clear, nativ is still very much visibly better. Cool tech, but it isn't magic. Nvidia's marketing is just astonishing
@@JynxedKoma You can clearly see with your own eyes in the video above, both static and dynamic image... I am not here to fight with anyone, if you don't wanna see, fine.. It's just like me saying FSR is just as good as DLSS (I have an AMD gpu), which isn't true, DLSS is lighyears ahead, but you can clearly see native is still a step above, even when DLSS is on quality mode at 4k, but sure, if you don't wanna see don't see I guess...
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In fact, it is not a full-fledged DLSS4 that will be available on 5000 series cards, the Transformer model is more focused on improving image quality, especially when moving, because of this there is a slight drop in fps.
About the tests of the new graphics cards (rtx 5000), they will be after the release, nvidia did not send me them for the test, so I'm waiting for them to appear in the store, as soon as they appear I will make a maximal fast and fair tests. (I'll tell you a secret, the rtx 5090 will be out of stock in most countries upon release, with the 5080 the situation is a bit better.)
This is also without the new reflex update that will be baked into the drivers. That will make the input latency of the new model much better from what was demonstrated.
How do they not send you a 5090?
4090 dlss4 vs 5070 dlss4 please it's way awesome or seems interesting 🎉❤
Can't wait to see the 4090 and 5090 comparison in native 4K to see if there is an actual improvement in performance.
Sucks they didn't give you one. You're like one of the biggest channels who do these side by side comparisons.
We will never get away from Frame Generation anymore. With DLSS 4, it runs smoothly and will likely get better over the years. I am not saying whether this is positive or negative; it is simply the new reality.
"Smoothly" not Faster FPS console noob (((
Can you make a comparison between DLSS 3 quality mode and DLSS 4 performance mode? I'd like to know if the new performance mode can come close to old quality mode.
If the new Transformer model improves image stability, I would have been interested to see what DLSS looks like in performance mode.
I’m on ultra performance dlss4 it looks better than dlss3 using performance mode
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Also in this game, 1440p dlss performance is usable. It can looks sometimes better than the CNN quality
So DLSS actually reduces the VRAM usage by a lot. That's quite impressive actually.
Ofc it does it renders a lower resolution
You are rendering not 4K so less Vram.
not impressive at all, it only makes sense
Which is exactly what should happen with rtx 4060 but the opposite happens with it. I think those textures need to go down a bit.
@@perry4589 Maybe it differs from game to game as well. In some games it really makes no difference and sometimes even worse. Assuming DLSS will always reduce the VRAM usage is a bad take just because "it runs on lower res". That's usually not the case. 🤧🥲
Did you not receive a 5090?
Well if it ain’t broke then don’t fix it, right?
no, read the pinned comment
@@TestingGames Over 500.000 subs...while youtubers with 20.000 subs are getting a 5090, crazy world we living in 🥲
Why TestingGames don't have money to buy. 😂
Bro rtx 5090 much 2000 dollar @@cesartoni86
A little confused i thought the nvidia driver update that goes live on the 30th was supposed to bring DLSS 4
Nope DLSS models is handled by each game. Only being able to enable multi frame gen is handled by the driver it seems for 5000 cards. You can even take this new transformer model and shove it into DLSS 2 titles that never got updated DLSS models.
I tried CBP with new transformer Dlss4 on my RTX 4080S in Q mode+max detail,, full rt and i was shocked. Insane quality and performance (QHD). No need to upgrade GPU.
Visuals of the transformer model are awesome
On video it doesn't look 100%, but in game it's incredibly crisp and clean, looks amazing
Yeah. Especially introduced folliage shimmering LOL 🤣🤣🤣.
Im absolutely blown away by the transformer mode. Im on a 3070 playing pathtracing at 3440x1440p DLSS ultra performance with RR getting 60 fps without framegen and it looks unbelievable. It looks better than FSR 2/3-Quality mode.
Edit: for clarity, I turned PT on in a non demanding area(new to the game, had it forever lol) its around the 40’s with PT and 60’s with Psycho RT, RR and maxed.
A 3070 doing ultrawide path tracing at 60 fps no framegen? i'd have to watch that, make a video cmon 🥲
@@joeallen7781he’s using ultra performance mode, that’s how he’s getting 60 fps. Looks like crap still even with the new model
Bla bla bla
@@notbrokebrolt6281 it looks better than FSR 2 or 3 quality with the new transformer mode. Psycho RT is above 60 100% of the time. Pathtracing maxed out dips into the 40’s. So i’ll gladly concede that PT is not 60
@ zWORMz tested the 5090 at 4k path tracing but at one point also dropped dlss to performance while using transformer (130 fps) and it looked very good, it'd be interesting to see it use 2k ultrawide as baseline on a 3070. Archie Bunker might really be having a good time.
Sorry how do you "update" dlss to the latest version? You just update gpu drivers?
It's a free update for Cyberpunk 2077.
Idk it's probably the game just need update
Cyberpunk got an update for it. New version of Nvidia App hasn’t been released yet.
DLSS swapper program and Nvidia profile inspector.
I can't see any difference between dlss transformer and native resolution
It’s unbelievably good.
@ArchieBunker11 yes I tried it on 1440p with dlss balance
I can say dlss balance on transformer version
Look like dlss quality CNN version
And dlss quality on transformer version look like native resolution
That on 1440p ,
But I think now with dlss transformer 1080p dlss will be finally good
In some zoomed-in samples DLSS is much better because of how it handles motion blur. Rather incredible if you ask me.
Hardware and settings currently on system may give the result your seeing. You'd be amazed at monitor differences...
Enjoy
Maybe because Cyberpunk 2077 has a bad TAA. How it compares when you use DLAA instead the native TAA?
You left motion blur on high and depth of field on...? How is anyone supposed to tell the image quality differences when those things will basically make it all blurry.
4090 285k with 96gb 6000, games completely maxed out and in 4K. ultra performance on new model, 100fps stable in city. Performance around 80-85. Frame gen performance around 120-130. Ultra performance with frame gen, never dips below 140. Visually, on performance with sharpness cranked it looks amazing.
I actually noticed that they need to do some work on the transformer model. I’ve done a few tests and when you turn on the transformer model things start to look a little fuzzy or in certain shadows versus the old model I think they need to work on that. For reference I’m on an RTX 4090
Interesting..
average framerate seems a bit lower with the transformer model, but it seems like the frametime is a lot smoother with much higher 1% lows compared to the cnn model. and with the significantly improved visuals, seems like a net improvement overall at the expense of 4-5 fps on average.
Other than visuals, I don't really see much difference
@@volodya8321 yeah I noticed that moving text had little to no ghosting it was honestly the only thing I could notice
(also personal experience on a 40's card)
All but the most obnoxious of artifacts will simply not be visible on a youtube video. RUclips heavily compresses videos to the point where running cyberpunk at native 1080p is gonna give you the same amount of detail and clarity as watching a 4k video of gameplay on youtube. To be fair to youtube, uncompressed video is simply unfeasable for any streaming platform.
I've tested it myself. It cleans up some problem areas the original DLSS had, especially Ray Reconstruction Artifacts, and the overall clarity of each preset seemed to match a preset 1-2 levels higher on the older model which is extremely impressive.
@@volodya8321 I could notice that at lower resolutions things had much less of an oil painted look, less ghosting. at quality dlss or higher resolutions outside of ghosting it didn't matter too much but there was still a different in distant objects
i didnt notice any difference except slight sharpening which can be changed anyway? everything still ghosts and far away things look bad. what a dissapointment.
youtube video man
can anyone tell me if this transformer model will be available on my rtx 3060 laptop ?
yes
Quindi con dlls a quality non raggounge i 60 fps in path racying?
to put fsr 3 and amd frame generation it took 3 years... for nvidia the cards have not even come out, but there is already a nice gig from .20 to .21 that activates all the new features... damn.. with the .20 patch my modest rx 7800xt is equivalent to a 4070 ti .... of course without path tracing... but now I can put rt ultra and it goes from 55 to 65 fps on a resolution, with fsr active, 4k with quality setting and frame generation active. before I could never activate ray tracing unless playing at 20 fps. sorry for bad english
thx for the video☺
When does this release?
Is the same FG x2 dlss 4 on rtx 40 like MFG x2 on rtx 50?
I’m very interested in the RTX 5080 this go around seems like it’ll be a great gaming card for 4k. 5090 is just overkill and way too pricey 💰
Yes memory usage is lower with DLSS 4 but no enhance frame generation?
new drivers will be released on January 30th
1-1.5Gb drop of VRAM on FG dlss4?
It will use 30% less VRAM and run faster
I just tried dlss for the first time by plugging in my 4060 laptop to my main monitor and i literally do not understand how there is so little artifacting and how the resolution is so good. Running dlss BALANCED at 1440p and it looks pretty damm good, way better than fsr 3 at quality for sure. I dont understand.
Why THEY dont want us to play on native res
imo path tracing > native res.
Do you notice différence in visual ?
No. Things just seem to cost more for almost negligible noticeable visual improvement for average video game players.
A lot of people are saying that with the new transformer model performance dlss looks like cnn's quality dlss setting letting you get more more fps without sacrificing visuals.
the difference is amazing, I've tested it myself in many games on my 4080
I have tested it myself and it looks way better especially when you turn on ray reconstruction. With the new dlss ray reconstruction looks amazingly insane. It doesn’t have the oily road and trails effect anymore it looks amazing like insane. I play on a 4070 ti super on WQHD
I hope my rtx 4060 laptop will support dlss 4, I can use it for at least 4-5 years more than
Sofar no support for multi frame gen otherwise it's just getting enhanced transformer model dlss4 and improved 2x frame gen.
Make a video on Intel Arc A750. How is its new driver giving gameplay and stabilization? Make a video on it! Please😮
Better IQ while reducing VRAM usage... wow, Nvidia. Wow.
DLSS is an amazing piece of tech. Nvidia is just way ahead of the game
I hope CNN won't sue CD red projekt for using their name lol
Not sure if you're joking, but CNN is short for Convolutional Neural Network, which is the neural architecture used for DLSS prior to DLSS 4.
@@gaving7127It seems obvious dude
Video on arc a750 new driver update performance 😢
not maxed settings tho
how? I thought Jensen Huang said DLSS4 was exclusive to the 5000 series?!!!
No only multi frame gen exc. to rtx 50 series.
only multi frame gen (x3 and x4) is locked to blackwell, all turing and up has DLSS4 transformer and ray reconstruction. They've mentioned being able to adapt MFG to 4xxx and 3xxx at a later date, but don't really sit around waiting for it.
He didn't.
just bought the game
rtx 4090 vs rtx 5090
GG
I can't notice any difference
Good job. And I didn't have to listen to some weirdo running his mouth.
4090 dlss4 vs 5070 dlss4 please it's way awesome or seems interesting 🎉❤
It’s the exact same, only thing that changed was frame gen x4
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NOICE THANK YOU JENSEN
Did not send? Just buy it)😀😀😀
I think many of us will be stuck with 4090's.
HWUB states a 25% price hike, but the reality will probably be much higher with the lack of availability.
And of coarse I'm a 4k gamer where the biggest gains are with the 4090Ti (sorry the 5090 lol).
Least we get some partial DLSS4 love. :)
honestly, the 4090 is still plenty haha
Bro are you acting like you have it bad with a fucking 4090
There is clearly a drop in visual quality even with the transformer model, people saying they can't see it, they must be watching the video in 1080p or something or are trying to justify something to themselves. The transformer model is better than DLSS 3, that's clear, nativ is still very much visibly better. Cool tech, but it isn't magic. Nvidia's marketing is just astonishing
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4k with dlss quality, honestly if you play the game, not really noticable. hell i dont notice it at 1440p quality
Countless people are saying that transformer model using DLSS Perf mode is actually as perfect as native 4K, so not sure what you're smoking.
@@JynxedKoma You can clearly see with your own eyes in the video above, both static and dynamic image... I am not here to fight with anyone, if you don't wanna see, fine.. It's just like me saying FSR is just as good as DLSS (I have an AMD gpu), which isn't true, DLSS is lighyears ahead, but you can clearly see native is still a step above, even when DLSS is on quality mode at 4k, but sure, if you don't wanna see don't see I guess...
@ jajajajajajajaj
Better feature than all RTX 5090
Fake frames 😂
If you cant tell the difference, why does it matter to you kiddo?
Who asked you 😂
Poor blame fake frame, and your PC can't run native 4K 60 fps 😂
@@LOL2YOUits not fame frames lol
what a low iq person you are 😂
Bro is still stuck with rtx 4090😭🙏
DLSS 4 not out yet. Nice scam.
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Cyberpunk patch released 2.21 DLSS 4
updated the game this morning, its there buddy
@@theplayerofus319 my DLSS files say 3.10 I have updated to new patch is it supposed to say 4.0?
@@theplayerofus319 Upload the DlSS 4.0 .dll to a Drive to confirm that information.
First 😎
thx for the video 😊 would you prefer to use DLSS-Quality but with FG enabled or DLSS-Performance but with FG disabled?
why ray reconstruction off?
ok , totaly useless
you are probably bot or low iq person