Automatic like and comment for anything M620 related!! I've been riding my M620/E55 for about 6 months now and have no complaints! Much better frame than the other M620 full suspension offerings out there. Top notch quality, engineering, construction and geometry. I am in the US (and don't televise my e-bike shenanigans), so I pretty much use "offroad" settings and (custom) curves everywhere. IMO, there is no better than the M620 - it's a complete beast. The only thing I wish for is a an easy way to break out the hall sensor data externally. Even on the UART version (which I have), there doesnlt seem to be an easy breakout plug for the hall sensors. Which would allow an aftermarket (even higher power) controller/battery combo.
By hall sensor, do you mean on a throttle? The spline sensor on the crank is wired separate (as is the throttle...), so although the part itself won't fit other motors, it does have its own wire, so I'm not getting what the difficulty you speak of, is? I'm quite confused, please explain?
You're not the first person to express this issue regarding the M620. Over on the High Voltage Community Group, I have seen others donate precious time trying to get around this. From what I can recall from others, most simply bypass the hall sensor and run the motor sensor-less (similar to a retooled BBSHD) and swap out the controller to a Phaserunner. In that configuration, the motor no longer is torque sensing. Instead, it's just cadence sensing. But I'll check with my colleagues to see what the newest update is and report back to you👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi So, this _is_ in reference to the spline sensor detecting torque at the crank... I'd seen some of the Phaserunner builds & wondered why a torque sensing controller was not used: The spline sensor does have its own wire going to the controller; couldn't that be run to a different controller? What am I missing?
@@prophetzarquon the torque sensor requires certain measurements to be detected, which the phaserunner (stock) aren't built to detect. It's difficult to explain in the comment section, without visual aids. But I'll elaborate on this in my upcoming Q & A video👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi Right, I know the Phaserunner isn't wired for a torque sensor; but an aftermarket controller that _does_ have an input for that, should be able to connect to the m620's existing spline sensor, no? (The sensor's output looked like an analog measure of resistance rather than being encoded digitally, correct?) I wanted a sensor able to detect more pedal torque (60Kg is _not_ much pedal force, when you're standing on it), & I did find other spline sensor modules, but they won't fit on the part; it seemed like it would almost be easier to get a modified part made to exert proportionally less force on the sensor... _Wiring_ didn't seem to be at issue, though? The torque sensor is on its own wire, going to a controller input separate from the rest of the harness...
Thanks for the video, Neeko. I've (we've 😉) waited a while for it! Could we see some hill climbing, please? Maybe some off road stuff? Can the EggRider display how many NM the motor is using? I'm really keen to get an E55 (or E56). Do you think these frames will... easily handle the M630?
Dengfu explained that they developed the E55 so that it would work with the M630. The use of the 52v battery option should be sufficient (on paper). keep a watchful eye for part 2, as the terrain and vertical elevation will be much different👍🏿
Can't wait to hear your thoughts on range & efficiency per Watt, at 52V vs 48V. Given an equal number of parallel cells, do you get more miles per Wh, at 52 or 48?
I wouldn't mind performing further tests, before revealing any data. When I performed tests between the 48v and 52v batteries, my E55 was using different components (tyres, forks etc). But kindly bear with me and keep a watchful eye on upcoming content👍🏿
@@prophetzarquon Well they have the two models ones comparable to the m620 at 1000w rated and another at 1500w. The 1000w looks to just be internally geared different for more torque and efficiency so likely will be too far off from the m620 power wise. But that 1500w model I bet will be a blast. Now Neeko just needs to get past the NDA so he can tell us more about them
@@Bengy22 Apparently, the m620 was originally _designed_ for higher Voltage \ Wattage, & the stock controller just ships with a few diminished components inside. Word has it, the 60V controller doesn't even require a significant redesign; just a few bits replaced!?
I know Frey will release the Beast with the M630 and the 60v battery for 2025. But I'll see what frames are available for me to try the M630 with a 60v battery👍🏿
I can't hear a rattle from the motor. But you can hear it when you're pedalling (especially in the higher levels of assist). I've tried to show the real world noise of the M620 in both performance tests of the E55 and E22👍🏿
also my front fork is so bad man haha wish i had payed more for the professional but it wasnt available i dont think. My DNM rear shock is really good though!
It's possible to upgrade the E55 as time goes on. Feel free to check out the Dengfu ebikes Facebook group for other examples (link in the description)👍🏿
Hi Neeko, do you have a link for the 52v 20AH battery you used in this video? What is the overall performance of the battery, more distance and more torque? Thanks in advance! Stay blessed 😎
Hi there, the 52v battery was supplied to me by Dengfu. However, if you search on google 'Reention Rhino 52v' you'll find sellers and distributers for the battery. As for the performance benefits, yes. The 52v battery offers more noticeable range and power compared to the 48v battery. I'll demonstrate this in upcoming content so keep a watchful eye👍🏿
The Eggrider doesn't provide additional power per se. Moreso, it allows the power to be regulated (controlled) and finetuned to a point where the response of the motor is more to the individuals requirements. The Eggrider gives you full control and customisation over the M620 motor (UART). But full credit should go to the 52v battery for the performance increase compared to a 48v battery👍🏿
hey bro, i reaallly want the 'Bafang DP-E181 ' for my e10 to make it look super minimal, but i cant find it anywhere!! Dont suppose you have any tips ? great vids m8!! :)
Hi there, have you joined the Dengfu Ebike Facebook group (link in the description)? if so, one of the many distributors of Dengfu frames (or Dengfu themselves) can source one for you👍🏿
Apologies for the delay. Bear with me. I'll upload the parameters of the Eggrider set for my E55 with 52v battery and leave a link in the description👍🏿
Hi Neeko. I'm looking to upgrade my bike to a dengfu frame. Currently running and older seraxat frame with removable battery. This is great for me as I can remove and charge. But the weather protection and geometry is a bit dated. What do you recommend. Cheers Rich.
Hi Rich, sincere apologies for the delay. The E55 is a good ebike. The geometry of the E55 is modern (not super aggressive, just modern and up to date). Authentically, it does look better than the Seroxat Hybrids (but that's just my opinion). If you're interested in ebikes which use the M620/M630, I'll be covering more framesets. So keep a watchful eye👍🏿
E82 will be Dengfu's 1st official long travel enduro focused emtb. 160mm travel+ depending on stroke length. Be sure to keep a watchful eye on both the channel and on the Facebook group👍🏿
Apologies. Eggrider are a company who create third-party appliances, designed to be connected to certain ebike systems. Bafang (UART protocol) are one example of ebike systems. Hence, why the display is attached instead of the traditional Bafang displays for the Dengfu E55. Eggrider do make other appliances (cable splitters, motor brake cut-off switches etc). But the shining jewel within their line-up of products is the v2 Display. Offering configuration (in terms of parameters) to a ebike which may not have been accessible with a traditional Bafang display. E.g. changing top speed, power, acceleration, battery consumption, wheel size etc. If you have any specific questions about the v2 display, please let me know and I'll be more than happy to explain further👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi That sounds great. I'm thinking about getting the complete bike from Dengfu, could I swap out the display later on? Do you recommend the bike now that you've owned it for a while? I like the idea of the 160 NM torque but the reality is, no one really needs that much power in the dirt and I've heard about people turning down their 85 NM motors. What is your opinion on the weight compared to mainstream full power E-MTB's ? Thanks.
The E82, E69 and E49 are three emtb models which I am aware of. The E82 is Enduro full fat (full powered) using M510/M560/M600. The E49 is essentially the E55 but using the M510/M600/M560. And the E69 will use the M820. The E69 might be the lightweight emtb you're looking for. Keep a watchful eye on both the channel and the Facebook group Kez👍🏿
I've left links in the description. My Dengfu frames come from Carbon Cycle (Dengfu) on ebay.uk. But if you visit the Dengfu Frame Ebike Owners Group on Facebook, you'll find other vendors as well👍🏿
@@GregorHenigman Yes. The default geometry of the E55 is with a 160mm fork. If you have a 230x60 shock, this gives 150mm of travel. So suspension travel-wise, the bike is fine. I've opted to go 180mm fork with 162mm rear. But it's personal preference as to how one chooses to build the E55👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi yes, I bought a swytch kit for my bike, very pleased with it (until I saw a great deal on a tero 4.0 EQ a few days ago). I was a bit disappointed at the time though to find I could’ve bought the exact same led upgrade from Ali Express for much less than I was charged by swytch. Hey ho.
Cool video! Love the E55. Can’t wait for part 2. 😅
Coming soon!👍🏿
Automatic like and comment for anything M620 related!! I've been riding my M620/E55 for about 6 months now and have no complaints! Much better frame than the other M620 full suspension offerings out there. Top notch quality, engineering, construction and geometry. I am in the US (and don't televise my e-bike shenanigans), so I pretty much use "offroad" settings and (custom) curves everywhere. IMO, there is no better than the M620 - it's a complete beast.
The only thing I wish for is a an easy way to break out the hall sensor data externally. Even on the UART version (which I have), there doesnlt seem to be an easy breakout plug for the hall sensors. Which would allow an aftermarket (even higher power) controller/battery combo.
By hall sensor, do you mean on a throttle? The spline sensor on the crank is wired separate (as is the throttle...), so although the part itself won't fit other motors, it does have its own wire, so I'm not getting what the difficulty you speak of, is? I'm quite confused, please explain?
You're not the first person to express this issue regarding the M620. Over on the High Voltage Community Group, I have seen others donate precious time trying to get around this. From what I can recall from others, most simply bypass the hall sensor and run the motor sensor-less (similar to a retooled BBSHD) and swap out the controller to a Phaserunner. In that configuration, the motor no longer is torque sensing. Instead, it's just cadence sensing. But I'll check with my colleagues to see what the newest update is and report back to you👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi So, this _is_ in reference to the spline sensor detecting torque at the crank... I'd seen some of the Phaserunner builds & wondered why a torque sensing controller was not used:
The spline sensor does have its own wire going to the controller; couldn't that be run to a different controller? What am I missing?
@@prophetzarquon the torque sensor requires certain measurements to be detected, which the phaserunner (stock) aren't built to detect.
It's difficult to explain in the comment section, without visual aids. But I'll elaborate on this in my upcoming Q & A video👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi Right, I know the Phaserunner isn't wired for a torque sensor; but an aftermarket controller that _does_ have an input for that, should be able to connect to the m620's existing spline sensor, no?
(The sensor's output looked like an analog measure of resistance rather than being encoded digitally, correct?)
I wanted a sensor able to detect more pedal torque (60Kg is _not_ much pedal force, when you're standing on it), & I did find other spline sensor modules, but they won't fit on the part; it seemed like it would almost be easier to get a modified part made to exert proportionally less force on the sensor...
_Wiring_ didn't seem to be at issue, though? The torque sensor is on its own wire, going to a controller input separate from the rest of the harness...
The cockpit looks clean with the eggrider display. Looks better now than with the 500c display👌🏽
Agreed👍🏿
Love your reviews, you have such fun, super wholesome and great info. Cool seeing the gear used in these conditions too. Thanks!
your comment is much appreciated👍🏿
Its a pity that the Eggrider display is only compatible with the UART M620 motor (not canbus). Looking forward to part 2 Neeko👍🏽
It is a pity. But new displays for CANBus Bafang motors now offer similar functions to the Eggrider v2 display via the Bafang Go+ app 👍🏿
I'd love to see a drag race between the E55 and E22🙏🏽
I'll see if one of my friends are available for that video👍🏿
Part 2? Thanks! 👋
Coming soon👍🏿
Thanks for the video, Neeko. I've (we've 😉) waited a while for it!
Could we see some hill climbing, please? Maybe some off road stuff? Can the EggRider display how many NM the motor is using?
I'm really keen to get an E55 (or E56). Do you think these frames will... easily handle the M630?
Dengfu explained that they developed the E55 so that it would work with the M630. The use of the 52v battery option should be sufficient (on paper).
keep a watchful eye for part 2, as the terrain and vertical elevation will be much different👍🏿
Thanks Neeko. I'm a devoted acolyte of your channel, so I'll be devotedly devouring your follow up video. Warm regards, my friend. 🤙🖐
Can't wait to hear your thoughts on range & efficiency per Watt, at 52V vs 48V. Given an equal number of parallel cells, do you get more miles per Wh, at 52 or 48?
I wouldn't mind performing further tests, before revealing any data. When I performed tests between the 48v and 52v batteries, my E55 was using different components (tyres, forks etc). But kindly bear with me and keep a watchful eye on upcoming content👍🏿
Can't wait for the m630 test, with hopefully a 60v battery?....
I hadn't even realized it's actually higher power; I thought it was just a bit more efficient
@@prophetzarquon Well they have the two models ones comparable to the m620 at 1000w rated and another at 1500w. The 1000w looks to just be internally geared different for more torque and efficiency so likely will be too far off from the m620 power wise. But that 1500w model I bet will be a blast. Now Neeko just needs to get past the NDA so he can tell us more about them
@@Bengy22frey bikes have a m620 pushing 1800w in the frey beast its a custom 60v bafang
@@Bengy22 Apparently, the m620 was originally _designed_ for higher Voltage \ Wattage, & the stock controller just ships with a few diminished components inside. Word has it, the 60V controller doesn't even require a significant redesign; just a few bits replaced!?
I know Frey will release the Beast with the M630 and the 60v battery for 2025. But I'll see what frames are available for me to try the M630 with a 60v battery👍🏿
Neeko, hello! Does the M620 rattle when going downhill? Like a Shimano or Bosch Gen 4, for example.
I can't hear a rattle from the motor. But you can hear it when you're pedalling (especially in the higher levels of assist).
I've tried to show the real world noise of the M620 in both performance tests of the E55 and E22👍🏿
Very helpful
love the content man . I have a prebuilt wenice the amature model
also my front fork is so bad man haha wish i had payed more for the professional but it wasnt available i dont think. My DNM rear shock is really good though!
It's possible to upgrade the E55 as time goes on. Feel free to check out the Dengfu ebikes Facebook group for other examples (link in the description)👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi Roger that man I will check it out brother!!!
Hi Neeko, do you have a link for the 52v 20AH battery you used in this video? What is the overall performance of the battery, more distance and more torque? Thanks in advance! Stay blessed 😎
Hi there, the 52v battery was supplied to me by Dengfu. However, if you search on google 'Reention Rhino 52v' you'll find sellers and distributers for the battery. As for the performance benefits, yes. The 52v battery offers more noticeable range and power compared to the 48v battery. I'll demonstrate this in upcoming content so keep a watchful eye👍🏿
@Neeko DeVinchi How much Power do you get with the stock display and how much with the eggrider?
The Eggrider doesn't provide additional power per se. Moreso, it allows the power to be regulated (controlled) and finetuned to a point where the response of the motor is more to the individuals requirements. The Eggrider gives you full control and customisation over the M620 motor (UART). But full credit should go to the 52v battery for the performance increase compared to a 48v battery👍🏿
hey bro, i reaallly want the 'Bafang DP-E181 ' for my e10 to make it look super minimal, but i cant find it anywhere!! Dont suppose you have any tips ? great vids m8!! :)
Hi there,
have you joined the Dengfu Ebike Facebook group (link in the description)?
if so, one of the many distributors of Dengfu frames (or Dengfu themselves) can source one for you👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi rthankyou buddy! i appreciate that!
hello. i recently upgraded my e55 with an eggrider v2. i was hoping you could share some of your settings if possible.
Apologies for the delay. Bear with me. I'll upload the parameters of the Eggrider set for my E55 with 52v battery and leave a link in the description👍🏿
No worries. I appreciate you taking the time to help.@@neekodevinchi
Hey question: does anyone know if this can be ordered with a 500W or 750W peak motor?
I can’t get insurance in Canada with 1 KW motor in frame.
Hi Neeko. I'm looking to upgrade my bike to a dengfu frame. Currently running and older seraxat frame with removable battery. This is great for me as I can remove and charge. But the weather protection and geometry is a bit dated. What do you recommend. Cheers Rich.
Hi Rich, sincere apologies for the delay.
The E55 is a good ebike. The geometry of the E55 is modern (not super aggressive, just modern and up to date).
Authentically, it does look better than the Seroxat Hybrids (but that's just my opinion).
If you're interested in ebikes which use the M620/M630, I'll be covering more framesets. So keep a watchful eye👍🏿
Random question for you man, what's the longest travel frame Dengfu do? They all seem to max out at 150mm from what I've found?
E82 will be Dengfu's 1st official long travel enduro focused emtb. 160mm travel+ depending on stroke length.
Be sure to keep a watchful eye on both the channel and on the Facebook group👍🏿
want to See that one with an m600. m600 fits?seems Like the strongest of the small motors?@@neekodevinchi
The E82 has travel 170/170 as stated in DengFu information sheets, not 160. Currently only M size available, others later.
@@eki6283i think m600 is 500w but m560 750w. M600 does not fit that frame. You need E10 or E82
How havy is the bike?
28.3kg👍🏿
how can this be with over 1kwh Batterie and m620 which weigs over 6kg? my Bosch emtb weighs Close to 27kg@@neekodevinchi
Carbon fibre frame?
What is Eggrider? Could you explain that please?
Apologies. Eggrider are a company who create third-party appliances, designed to be connected to certain ebike systems. Bafang (UART protocol) are one example of ebike systems. Hence, why the display is attached instead of the traditional Bafang displays for the Dengfu E55. Eggrider do make other appliances (cable splitters, motor brake cut-off switches etc). But the shining jewel within their line-up of products is the v2 Display. Offering configuration (in terms of parameters) to a ebike which may not have been accessible with a traditional Bafang display. E.g. changing top speed, power, acceleration, battery consumption, wheel size etc.
If you have any specific questions about the v2 display, please let me know and I'll be more than happy to explain further👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi That sounds great. I'm thinking about getting the complete bike from Dengfu, could I swap out the display later on?
Do you recommend the bike now that you've owned it for a while? I like the idea of the 160 NM torque but the reality is, no one really needs that much power in the dirt and I've heard about people turning down their 85 NM motors. What is your opinion on the weight compared to mainstream full power E-MTB's ? Thanks.
How many miles can this go with full throttle only?
Good question. I've never rode the E55 with only throttle. Bear with me, I'll get back to you on that👍🏿
How much more power would you have in offroad mode?
Good question😁
my records show that I've been able to achieve near 2000w for a second or so. but I wouldn't mind trying it again👍🏿
@@neekodevinchiwith the eggrider? or can you also get the Power If it is stock
hey if i were to limit motor to only 500watt could i still go 40kmh or 30 kmh? what is the range with it on maximum going on lets say 25kmh?
Neeko, what new ebikes will Dengfu release for 2024-2025?
I'm looking for a lightweight ebike but something with long range.
Ride safe xx
The E82, E69 and E49 are three emtb models which I am aware of. The E82 is Enduro full fat (full powered) using M510/M560/M600. The E49 is essentially the E55 but using the M510/M600/M560. And the E69 will use the M820. The E69 might be the lightweight emtb you're looking for.
Keep a watchful eye on both the channel and the Facebook group Kez👍🏿
Were is the best place to purchase one of these.
I've left links in the description.
My Dengfu frames come from Carbon Cycle (Dengfu) on ebay.uk. But if you visit the Dengfu Frame Ebike Owners Group on Facebook, you'll find other vendors as well👍🏿
Hey Nico, very informative video as always, thank you. My question is can you run e55 with 160mm fork or should I go with 180mm?
@@GregorHenigman Yes. The default geometry of the E55 is with a 160mm fork. If you have a 230x60 shock, this gives 150mm of travel. So suspension travel-wise, the bike is fine.
I've opted to go 180mm fork with 162mm rear. But it's personal preference as to how one chooses to build the E55👍🏿
Same display as Swytch sell as a £75 upgrade.
Oh!!!
I didn't know that😲
Good to know👍🏿
@@neekodevinchi yes, I bought a swytch kit for my bike, very pleased with it (until I saw a great deal on a tero 4.0 EQ a few days ago). I was a bit disappointed at the time though to find I could’ve bought the exact same led upgrade from Ali Express for much less than I was charged by swytch. Hey ho.
Got e 22 frame ultra motor with innotrace controller hope 155 cranks 840 wh battery with charger 1500 pounds any intrest
bro is trying to sell stuff in the comment section 💀
Just go 72v 35A...
lol.
I'll look into that👍🏿
nicod974: External Controller 72V? Is it an internal modification?