So I definitely appreciate your take on this. It’s very true that people put the time and money into developing something and have someone else just copy. It definitely seems wrong. But here’s the other end to it that I just would go without . I have a set of a bucklos cranks that I paid something like $50 for And if I couldn’t have gotten them for $50, I just would’ve went with regular cranks I wouldn’t of spent the money for the brand name. I think people that are gonna spend the money for the brand name stuff are gonna spend the money for the brand name stuff because in the end it really is higher quality items. I would just have to go without cause I couldn’t spend that kind of money no matter what.
@@theshedMTB I get it totally, I'm a cheap mofo and love a good bargain. On the other end, I work in information technology and protecting IP is a big deal so I see that side as well. This problem is a larger trade issue but you can see from some of the replies here an inventory problem as well.
Regardless of the copy or not, people buying those Bucklos and Evosid are those who can't afford or don't want to spend on a crank that is 8 to 10 x more expensive than Shimano DEORE or SLX. 5DEV is even more expensive than Hope, which is also another top brand.
charging 550€ for a pair of cranks that obviously can be produced and sold for a tenth is stealing. Like you have to pay the full development costs with each crank. competition is a good thing for consumers, maybe 5dev should overthink their stradegy. If I can get the "premium" part for double the price it still would be overpriced, but I would consider it.
@@VisionMTB Well it's simple. We cut them on a 5Axis CNC machine. We produce them in San Diego, California. To give you an idea, operational cost to run a 5 Axis Hermle in San Diego is around $200.00 an hour +/- 20.00. Then you have material cost, assembly cost, warehousing, shipping cost (we ship for free). We also have engineering costs, testing costs, insurance, taxes and a whole bunch more things to cover. We aren't making 5DEV components to be a price point product. We are making the product for ourselves and selling them to people who appreciate high end machined components made in San Diego. If you don't like that. Go buy whatever. We will still have nice Ti Stems and Cranks. We can also easily source forged cranks from Asia or contact a Taiwan factory like Ora (who makes or made eeWings and source product) it's just an email away.
The issue with cranks in particular is that if you're not racing tour de france and chasing milliseconds, it really doesn't matter if you got the pricier option or not. If it fits in the hole, and will go around and around, it's good enough for most(Yes, it's an exaggeration to make a point). This is why 5DEV is just an oddball in the room because they are selling snakeoil. You are buying a logo, a brand. It's sad to overprice a product so much as they do, because that's all it is: Overpriced... A frame is completely different, because that's more complex and it matters a lot more how that is built. That's something I will condone spending money at because the frame is the bike. Everything else are just components attached to it. Suspension is also important aspect as that's an extension of your frame, so money should also be invested here. Then wheels, brakes, gearing components etc etc. Personally I wouldn't buy 5DEV nor any of the knock off cranks because your goal would be the same thing: Cry for attention for something superficial. Go for products that will do the job, because once you're riding none of that other stuff will matter at all.
You know what is 5DEV problem? The problem lies in the pricing. At that kind of pricing it is a put Off even for a person who can afford it. I would not install a counterfeit product on my MTB because they maybe have lots of quality issues. But I would rather buy from Companies like PNND, Hope, SRAM, Shimano...etc who don't over price their product and some of these companies make a different option so that they can even lower their pricing, example like Shimano XTR to SLX, you get the same function but a tad different quality and weight.
The message is no more ali express or temu. Paying 50+ dollars for a phone holder that's stealing, we all know everything is made in China at the cost of cents of a dollar, and companies want to make 150% of profit. I think it is time for companies to take a good look at the reasons people choose ali Express, stop over pricing
150% would be reasonable. 1000% is ridiculous. I hate these boutique brands. They deserve the knockoffs for their gouging and catering to dumb rich kids.
I've started buying a lot from AliExpress and from what I'm getting for the money I'm not going to stop. The cycling industry is nothing more than crooks stealing your money, well, if you're willing to give it to them which I'm not doing anymore. I buy my bikes on Marketplace from people that bought the wrong size for 60+ % off and it's brand new. Why would I want to go to some shady dealer with poor customer service, been there, done that and not going back, online all the way!, 🙏🙏🙏
@ Same here. The bike industry sucks big time. I am definitely not paying through the nose for someone that might be a good designer but sucks at making their own product affordable to stay afloat. If real 5DEVs are even made in the US that just makes them idiots as I’m concerned, but I’m highly skeptical that they are.
It’s about the consumer, companies all after money, if Evosid can produce a similar crank but sell it for under a fifth of the price then it’s up to the buyer to choose. You know if you get 5dev your buying American made, you buy evosid then it’s china, still a choice. Cranks are just that, cranks…put ‘‘em on and use them. You could blame shimano for collapsing many of component companies in the 80s but at the end of the day, it’s all about business. Plenty of companies been done over on patent issues, just the way the world kinda works.
People who would buy a 5dev crankset would probably ignore this, I can afford 5dev but I wouldn't buy theirs for the same reason I wouldn't buy a actofive or Cane Creek crankset. More than 350$ for a alloy crank is stealing, a 1000 for Ti is just stupid.
I don't feel like 5Dev is losing business to Bucklos because it's two different audiences. People who can't afford 5Dev won't ever buy them. People who can afford to buy 5Dev will definitely buy them for the cache, warranty, quality, and will proudly run them.
We aren't. People who buy our products know what they are getting and appreciate what we do. They want to know their product was cut on a C650 Hermle operating 24/7 with a pallet changer.
@@VisionMTB I would recommend you research and understand the differences and legal distinction between different types of IP, and not lump them generically together and over generalize which leads to confusion and misinformation....check out design patents versus utility patent. If 5Dev had a Design Patent on their cranks, then they can legally pursue the "Knock-offs", especially if they are financially impacted. So the question is why don't companies like 5Dev, and other companies like Ingrid, go after the Knock-Offs? Could be that there is no need since these represent different market segment that do no overlap and as a result, there is no financial impact, as confirmed by 5Dev themselves. Or could it be that 5Dev doesn't have a Design Patent or could not be awarded a Design patent with which they could legally pursue the knock-offs because the aesthetics of their cranks is neither novel and nor non-obvious in view of the relevant prior art such as SRAM GX cranks, and all the various CNC cranks before them. Or it could all of the above? Given the possibility that 5Dev may not have a Design Patent for the aforementioned reasons, and in addition, given that 5Dev has confirmed that they are not financially impacted, doesn't this undermine the primary thrust and assumptions of your position presented in this video, at least in 5Dev's case, and actually reinforces and confirms that there is in fact two different market segment that do not materially overlap, and that both both types of demand segment is being fulfilled...Everyone gets what they want, from manufacturers to buyers... No harm, no foul.
18 дней назад+6
Would have bought the original - turns out they don't deliver to Finland. Ended up ordering from AliExpress... 😔 Stupid brexit 😡
Brexit has messed up UK's trade pretty bad. There have been so many excellent bicycle-related businesses that are no longer available/convenient to interact with if you are in EU. CRC is dead, Planet X no longer delivers, and finest custom steel frames are even more expensive because of tariffs. Shame!
I would be more likely to buy the knockoff laser than the knockoff 5dev crank. The laser is a tool that is used in a non-critical manner, so there is no risk to health if it fals to function correctly. A set of cranks is going to be under load of varying weights and stress and having it fail while riding can be devastating. Not condoning knockoffs at all because if they took a shortcut by stealing a design then they probably took other shortcuts too.
Agreed. Every time someone buys counterfeit goods (even youtube testers) it further perpetuates the industry that thrives on IP theft and avoidance of accountability.
The fake 5Dev cranks are going to cause issues in the long term. If you are running an older alloy frame, for some reason want the look of 5dev on your old bike, go ahead and buy the cheap version. Not sure why you would want to do that? Just run XT or NX cranks. The whole point of buying a 5Dev product is because it's unique and made in the USA. If you are buying a cheap version of a non performance part like a crank, you are just asking for issues.
This is exactly why the MTB companies in the USA will go belly up. No one is against paying for a legit product, but when you price gouge you leave no choice but to go another direction. This is exactly what happened in the semi conductor world. You fuck your customers and someone else brings basically the same product, guess what? bye bye customer! WITH YOUR EXAMPLE OF CRANKS. Beyond the original CAD design, it is just a friggin CNC machine. You should be talking about how the US customer is getting ripped off, and you should be bashing them for gouging us. My .02
Because these companies are freaking using the same concept of magic of word luxury branding hence creating a halo of status quo haha... its like the concept of high end TV or Car they present you the high end and they expect you to buy the baseline model with overpriced tag thinking you are saving alot but technically you fell to the marketing ploy hahaha... i use non brand to branded i tell you its always how you setup it. The things you invest is components like Shocks, Rims and Brakes
The Jegwire in the background, is that a compressionless shifting kit, or their compressionless brake kit reinforced with Kevlar? 🤘🤘 I bought both from Bezos (a➡️z) for about 💰80.00🍁🤘🤘
I didn't n🤙🤙d their compressionless Kevlar reinforced brake kit, but it's Kevlar🤙🤙. The braking is so M🤘CH better with this🤘. The first time I bought their compressionless brake housing kit was in 2004; it was also used for the shifting 😳😁.
@@VisionMTB Maybe then I wouldn't have bought them, when I ordered them I had no idea about the existence of 5devs, I just really liked the design that I saw
They all have their Proplems Some with the Pedal thread others with the fitting on the Spindle they came often loose etc. On long term I will not know what all can be happen..
So you’re saying support the USA corporations that import/make everything overseas and pay them markup to import?? So Yeti that puts a fancy Colorado logo on the seat post but hides the made in Taiwan on the bottom of bottom bracket justifies the extra thousand/s or Santa Cruz?? WTF a headquarters sticker makes it worth an extra thousand or five? 5 Dev is rare being USA but $500+?
Good video, now do one about not complaining about drug companies and how having expensive insurance that pays high prices for medications stimulates innovation and provides great jobs for skilled employees.
@@VisionMTB Innovation didn't start with patents. Some patents are fair enough. But 17 years for a pivot placement is ridiculous. It is promoting monopoly and standing in the way of progress.
If they are making a similar design product at a realistic price range, then it's not stealing, it's being smart, humble, etc...plus you throw in the fact they are making money when they are only $65 or so then you realize the other company is just greedy. I have Evosid cranks on 2 bikes and they are great, and I'm coming off being an X01 and XX1 snob complex,lol. Work hard, buy smarter. Evosid for the win., 🙏🙏🙏
I've always believed that you get patent rights for coming up with a totally new, never seen before, product or way to do something. With that in mind, I'd like to know what it is about the 5Dev cranks that they think they have the patent on ? The crank as a means of transferring the power in your legs through to your bikes drivetrain is not a new idea, do the X shapes machined into the cranks somehow multiply the power ? Are they made from a special alloy of unicorn horn and hens teeth ? I don't lose any sleep over the well made and good quality Chinese copies I've bought, provided it's clear it's been made by a Chinese factory, like the cranks bearing the Bucklos name. I won't knowingly buy counterfeits, they are an outright con.
@@joystation1 unicorn horn 🤣 It remains to be seen if they are granted the patent, but I agree that while the design is novel, the construction and material are not.
No empathy here, because by no means 550 justifies the cost of engineering. Its cnc machined so what workers are affected? A guy producing it from his cad model? Look at the gmbh video of the shop tour. I will buy from China until they bring their prices down.
Why the about face? When you probably helped the zon and express sell more of the imitation cranks.I would give more credit to this vid had it been done before you bought 2 5 dev imitation cranks. So you supported imitations but now you don’t? A pedal seized up on one set. The buklos set seems pretty legit and the 6k to 7k series aluminum probably doesn’t have a huge impact. Isn’t Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? More so than buying the real thing?
Granting a patent for CNC machined shorter crank arrms just goes to show how bankrupt the western world patent bureaus have become.
So I definitely appreciate your take on this. It’s very true that people put the time and money into developing something and have someone else just copy. It definitely seems wrong. But here’s the other end to it that I just would go without . I have a set of a bucklos cranks that I paid something like $50 for And if I couldn’t have gotten them for $50, I just would’ve went with regular cranks I wouldn’t of spent the money for the brand name. I think people that are gonna spend the money for the brand name stuff are gonna spend the money for the brand name stuff because in the end it really is higher quality items. I would just have to go without cause I couldn’t spend that kind of money no matter what.
@@theshedMTB I get it totally, I'm a cheap mofo and love a good bargain. On the other end, I work in information technology and protecting IP is a big deal so I see that side as well. This problem is a larger trade issue but you can see from some of the replies here an inventory problem as well.
Regardless of the copy or not, people buying those Bucklos and Evosid are those who can't afford or don't want to spend on a crank that is 8 to 10 x more expensive than Shimano DEORE or SLX. 5DEV is even more expensive than Hope, which is also another top brand.
charging 550€ for a pair of cranks that obviously can be produced and sold for a tenth is stealing. Like you have to pay the full development costs with each crank. competition is a good thing for consumers, maybe 5dev should overthink their stradegy. If I can get the "premium" part for double the price it still would be overpriced, but I would consider it.
@@Hadroncollider_ yeah I'd love to know how they figured out ROI on their cranks.
@@VisionMTB Well it's simple. We cut them on a 5Axis CNC machine. We produce them in San Diego, California. To give you an idea, operational cost to run a 5 Axis Hermle in San Diego is around $200.00 an hour +/- 20.00. Then you have material cost, assembly cost, warehousing, shipping cost (we ship for free). We also have engineering costs, testing costs, insurance, taxes and a whole bunch more things to cover. We aren't making 5DEV components to be a price point product. We are making the product for ourselves and selling them to people who appreciate high end machined components made in San Diego. If you don't like that. Go buy whatever. We will still have nice Ti Stems and Cranks. We can also easily source forged cranks from Asia or contact a Taiwan factory like Ora (who makes or made eeWings and source product) it's just an email away.
It's funny because the 5DEV crank is pretty much just a copy of a sram GX crank but with the cutouts
@@MrTrekvrx Yes, it was that easy. We just took a GX crank and used a drill press and made our cranks. 🤣🤣🤣
@@VisionMTBlol u really a sucker for stupid products😅😂😂😂😂 go ride mate actually send it harder so u can talk more
The issue with cranks in particular is that if you're not racing tour de france and chasing milliseconds, it really doesn't matter if you got the pricier option or not. If it fits in the hole, and will go around and around, it's good enough for most(Yes, it's an exaggeration to make a point). This is why 5DEV is just an oddball in the room because they are selling snakeoil. You are buying a logo, a brand. It's sad to overprice a product so much as they do, because that's all it is: Overpriced...
A frame is completely different, because that's more complex and it matters a lot more how that is built. That's something I will condone spending money at because the frame is the bike. Everything else are just components attached to it.
Suspension is also important aspect as that's an extension of your frame, so money should also be invested here.
Then wheels, brakes, gearing components etc etc.
Personally I wouldn't buy 5DEV nor any of the knock off cranks because your goal would be the same thing: Cry for attention for something superficial. Go for products that will do the job, because once you're riding none of that other stuff will matter at all.
You know what is 5DEV problem? The problem lies in the pricing. At that kind of pricing it is a put Off even for a person who can afford it. I would not install a counterfeit product on my MTB because they maybe have lots of quality issues. But I would rather buy from Companies like PNND, Hope, SRAM, Shimano...etc who don't over price their product and some of these companies make a different option so that they can even lower their pricing, example like Shimano XTR to SLX, you get the same function but a tad different quality and weight.
Maybe we need to apply tariffs to companies that are selling large amounts of counterfeit items?
The message is no more ali express or temu. Paying 50+ dollars for a phone holder that's stealing, we all know everything is made in China at the cost of cents of a dollar, and companies want to make 150% of profit. I think it is time for companies to take a good look at the reasons people choose ali Express, stop over pricing
150% would be reasonable. 1000% is ridiculous. I hate these boutique brands. They deserve the knockoffs for their gouging and catering to dumb rich kids.
I've started buying a lot from AliExpress and from what I'm getting for the money I'm not going to stop. The cycling industry is nothing more than crooks stealing your money, well, if you're willing to give it to them which I'm not doing anymore. I buy my bikes on Marketplace from people that bought the wrong size for 60+ % off and it's brand new. Why would I want to go to some shady dealer with poor customer service, been there, done that and not going back, online all the way!, 🙏🙏🙏
@ Same here. The bike industry sucks big time. I am definitely not paying through the nose for someone that might be a good designer but sucks at making their own product affordable to stay afloat. If real 5DEVs are even made in the US that just makes them idiots as I’m concerned, but I’m highly skeptical that they are.
It’s about the consumer, companies all after money, if Evosid can produce a similar crank but sell it for under a fifth of the price then it’s up to the buyer to choose. You know if you get 5dev your buying American made, you buy evosid then it’s china, still a choice. Cranks are just that, cranks…put ‘‘em on and use them. You could blame shimano for collapsing many of component companies in the 80s but at the end of the day, it’s all about business. Plenty of companies been done over on patent issues, just the way the world kinda works.
People who would buy a 5dev crankset would probably ignore this, I can afford 5dev but I wouldn't buy theirs for the same reason I wouldn't buy a actofive or Cane Creek crankset. More than 350$ for a alloy crank is stealing, a 1000 for Ti is just stupid.
ill only buy the real one when my bucklos breaks.
I don't feel like 5Dev is losing business to Bucklos because it's two different audiences. People who can't afford 5Dev won't ever buy them. People who can afford to buy 5Dev will definitely buy them for the cache, warranty, quality, and will proudly run them.
We aren't. People who buy our products know what they are getting and appreciate what we do. They want to know their product was cut on a C650 Hermle operating 24/7 with a pallet changer.
@5DEV Very cool to hear a direct reply!
@@5DEV Good to hear!
@@VisionMTB I would recommend you research and understand the differences and legal distinction between different types of IP, and not lump them generically together and over generalize which leads to confusion and misinformation....check out design patents versus utility patent. If 5Dev had a Design Patent on their cranks, then they can legally pursue the "Knock-offs", especially if they are financially impacted. So the question is why don't companies like 5Dev, and other companies like Ingrid, go after the Knock-Offs? Could be that there is no need since these represent different market segment that do no overlap and as a result, there is no financial impact, as confirmed by 5Dev themselves. Or could it be that 5Dev doesn't have a Design Patent or could not be awarded a Design patent with which they could legally pursue the knock-offs because the aesthetics of their cranks is neither novel and nor non-obvious in view of the relevant prior art such as SRAM GX cranks, and all the various CNC cranks before them. Or it could all of the above? Given the possibility that 5Dev may not have a Design Patent for the aforementioned reasons, and in addition, given that 5Dev has confirmed that they are not financially impacted, doesn't this undermine the primary thrust and assumptions of your position presented in this video, at least in 5Dev's case, and actually reinforces and confirms that there is in fact two different market segment that do not materially overlap, and that both both types of demand segment is being fulfilled...Everyone gets what they want, from manufacturers to buyers... No harm, no foul.
Would have bought the original - turns out they don't deliver to Finland.
Ended up ordering from AliExpress... 😔
Stupid brexit 😡
No Finland? That's too bad.
Brexit has messed up UK's trade pretty bad. There have been so many excellent bicycle-related businesses that are no longer available/convenient to interact with if you are in EU. CRC is dead, Planet X no longer delivers, and finest custom steel frames are even more expensive because of tariffs. Shame!
We ship worldwide. It's a 25.00 fee. You have to pay VAT, Taxes and Duties.
was talking about the other product mentioned
I would be more likely to buy the knockoff laser than the knockoff 5dev crank. The laser is a tool that is used in a non-critical manner, so there is no risk to health if it fals to function correctly. A set of cranks is going to be under load of varying weights and stress and having it fail while riding can be devastating. Not condoning knockoffs at all because if they took a shortcut by stealing a design then they probably took other shortcuts too.
Agreed. Every time someone buys counterfeit goods (even youtube testers) it further perpetuates the industry that thrives on IP theft and avoidance of accountability.
The fake 5Dev cranks are going to cause issues in the long term. If you are running an older alloy frame, for some reason want the look of 5dev on your old bike, go ahead and buy the cheap version. Not sure why you would want to do that? Just run XT or NX cranks. The whole point of buying a 5Dev product is because it's unique and made in the USA. If you are buying a cheap version of a non performance part like a crank, you are just asking for issues.
Shit is just too expensive.
@@GrigoryRechistov totally agree
Yep. Their complete 6/4 Titanium cranks are 💰💰💰💰💰2,999.99🍁😳
@glen3509 that's insane
@VisionMTB Their also cool 6/4 Ti stems are
💰💰550.00🍁. I'm not quite sure what they go for in the States.
This is exactly why the MTB companies in the USA will go belly up. No one is against paying for a legit product, but when you price gouge you leave no choice but to go another direction. This is exactly what happened in the semi conductor world. You fuck your customers and someone else brings basically the same product, guess what? bye bye customer! WITH YOUR EXAMPLE OF CRANKS. Beyond the original CAD design, it is just a friggin CNC machine. You should be talking about how the US customer is getting ripped off, and you should be bashing them for gouging us. My .02
Because these companies are freaking using the same concept of magic of word luxury branding hence creating a halo of status quo haha... its like the concept of high end TV or Car they present you the high end and they expect you to buy the baseline model with overpriced tag thinking you are saving alot but technically you fell to the marketing ploy hahaha... i use non brand to branded i tell you its always how you setup it. The things you invest is components like Shocks, Rims and Brakes
The Jegwire in the background, is that a compressionless shifting kit, or their compressionless brake kit reinforced with Kevlar? 🤘🤘 I bought both from Bezos (a➡️z) for about 💰80.00🍁🤘🤘
That's the shifting kit. Bought just to have an extra because "just in case" seems to happen too much.
@VisionMTB They make great products 🤘🤘
I didn't n🤙🤙d their compressionless Kevlar reinforced brake kit, but it's Kevlar🤙🤙. The braking is so M🤘CH better with this🤘. The first time I bought their compressionless brake housing kit was in 2004; it was also used for the shifting 😳😁.
I tried to buy a stay straight. It pisses me off that they have a monopoly on a product they can't supply
@@parkinkevin yeah I had to wait as well.
i buy BUCKLOS and they amazing
@@boxthislaptv I don't disagree but maybe they could come up with their own design.
@@VisionMTB Maybe then I wouldn't have bought them, when I ordered them I had no idea about the existence of 5devs, I just really liked the design that I saw
@@VisionMTBTrue, I would buy cranks with holes and a different design.
Ohh it is way worse with high end knives. Unforunately chyna doesnt play by the same rules.
Where can i get those knock off arms? 😂
They all have their Proplems Some with the Pedal thread others with the fitting on the Spindle they came often loose etc. On long term I will not know what all can be happen..
The question is did 5DEV cranks really made theirs in US or was it manufactured in China thats why it can easily be manufactured.
Small companies like PNND, HOPE, Wolftooth all make their own bro not China.
@@zepp3linThere must be a lot of Hope counterfeits then.
Also, I see you never got that ti spindle out….that’s crazy, get a massive breaker bar, or perhaps cut the crank off if worried about threads.
@@johnnywangcycles6410 🤣🤣 good eyes! I actually threw it on the vise but it didn't work because I haven't filed it down yet. Soon!
Heat the crank in a container of very hot water,then cold water….a few times then impact and penetrating oil 👍
I also agree that the short crank thing was a “fad”…
No. I don’t have a problem with counterfeit mtb products. This is what happens when you price gouge your customers
Wait till he reviews Lewis's LH4 & LHT Brakes lmao
No thanks, Dale covered those plenty at this point.
The actual 5Dev crank on your bike is it their 7075 T6 aluminum version🤙🤙(💰💰750.00🍁)or their even cooler all 6/4 Titanium version?🤘🤘 ( 💰💰💰💰💰2,999.99🍁)
So you’re saying support the USA corporations that import/make everything overseas and pay them markup to import?? So Yeti that puts a fancy Colorado logo on the seat post but hides the made in Taiwan on the bottom of bottom bracket justifies the extra thousand/s or Santa Cruz?? WTF a headquarters sticker makes it worth an extra thousand or five? 5 Dev is rare being USA but $500+?
Nice strawman, but no, that was not the point of the video.
Bit hypocritical of you after buying the knock off and doing reviews on your channel
Support original until I can’t afford it. Rofl
Good video, now do one about not complaining about drug companies and how having expensive insurance that pays high prices for medications stimulates innovation and provides great jobs for skilled employees.
That's an interesting take. So you don't think there should be any patent protection at all?
These patents are ridiculously abused. I don't feel bad about it.
@@parkinkevin for some things yes but patent protection is a must or we don't get new cool products.
@@VisionMTB Innovation didn't start with patents.
Some patents are fair enough.
But 17 years for a pivot placement is ridiculous.
It is promoting monopoly and standing in the way of progress.
@parkinkevin But if they are licensing it, less of an issue though.
@@VisionMTB No. They can just price everyone out 🤷
@@parkinkevin They could but Horst was available for license even though some like Specialized try to cheat their away around it.
If they are making a similar design product at a realistic price range, then it's not stealing, it's being smart, humble, etc...plus you throw in the fact they are making money when they are only $65 or so then you realize the other company is just greedy. I have Evosid cranks on 2 bikes and they are great, and I'm coming off being an X01 and XX1 snob complex,lol. Work hard, buy smarter. Evosid for the win., 🙏🙏🙏
I've always believed that you get patent rights for coming up with a totally new, never seen before, product or way to do something. With that in mind, I'd like to know what it is about the 5Dev cranks that they think they have the patent on ? The crank as a means of transferring the power in your legs through to your bikes drivetrain is not a new idea, do the X shapes machined into the cranks somehow multiply the power ? Are they made from a special alloy of unicorn horn and hens teeth ? I don't lose any sleep over the well made and good quality Chinese copies I've bought, provided it's clear it's been made by a Chinese factory, like the cranks bearing the Bucklos name. I won't knowingly buy counterfeits, they are an outright con.
@@joystation1 unicorn horn 🤣 It remains to be seen if they are granted the patent, but I agree that while the design is novel, the construction and material are not.
No empathy here, because by no means 550 justifies the cost of engineering. Its cnc machined so what workers are affected? A guy producing it from his cad model? Look at the gmbh video of the shop tour. I will buy from China until they bring their prices down.
By the way the 5 axis machine producing the cranks is Doosan, the irony.
Why would i buy 5Dev if the chinese copy is just as ugly 😂.
C'mon man, this cranks are hideous.
Why the about face? When you probably helped the zon and express sell more of the imitation cranks.I would give more credit to this vid had it been done before you bought 2 5 dev imitation cranks. So you supported imitations but now you don’t? A pedal seized up on one set. The buklos set seems pretty legit and the 6k to 7k series aluminum probably doesn’t have a huge impact. Isn’t Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? More so than buying the real thing?
Ah but I do own a real set of 5DEV that I actually use so this is fair game.
I don't buy cheap bikes and I certainly don't put cheap Chinese crap parts on them.
I do.
Same here but I do buy cheap products accessories like some tools, straight lazer, tools for bike maintenance.