Thanks, for the support man! Yeah, the full auto to the back hurt lmao but it was worth it. We actually had to stop for a bit for a break because the TM was TOO accurate.
Great stuff, I'm loving your content!! I've had a lot of people ask me about the GHK and your content is really informative!! I did some real steel parts videos that did quite well. How about doing a drop in real steel parts video comparing the GHK, WE and the mws 😃
Thanks, Ollie! You're my go to channel when I need to find information about the MWS or AKM! Great idea for the next video. Quick question, if a real steel trigger was put into an Airsoft gun, would that mean you would be locked to semi considering full auto guns aren't legal?
@@GBBEnthusiast thanks buddy 😃 Well when it comes to RS triggers I think it would only maybe be a vipertech that could take one. But saying that if it's just the trigger and not the whole trigger group then it maybe doable, I'd probably want to test it on a cheap RS trigger from eBay or something before I tried with a Geissele or something. The full auto should be to do with the sear and selector rather than the trigger itself. I know GHK can take a real selector which is cool.
@@OllieTalksAirsoft Oh I see, I misunderstood your previous point lol. I can definitely do a real steel parts fitment video on grips and stocks since I have RS Magpul CTR and MOE. I recently installed a Magpul grip onto my TM AKM so I'll have a video on that too. Thanks again and thanks for the support!
@@OllieTalksAirsoftOld comment I know, but AFAIK most GBBRs take steps to limit real trigger compatibility. The trigger mechanism is the part that actually makes a firearm fully automatic, after all. If a GBBR was able to accept enough real trigger components to make an AR-15 upper function, then it would legally be considered a machine gun in the U.S... Which, while cool, is veryyy dangerous.
Range test comparison? Ironsights on the ghk and a "zoom" scope on the TM? less shots to the ghk at the consistency test. ehh?? I bet that the TM is your everyday rifle :) Alltho... pretty nice video dude. 👍
Ghk got a lot more pros than tm does imo. Steel trigger Adjustable npas nozzles Ra tech line forged receiver for decent price Dh mod heavy recoil co2 Shoots much better with heavy weight bbs and tnt system Can handle high fps and recoil Pros for tm Shoots accurate and good gas efficiency with green gas Give the ghk more power and it will outperform npas nozzle and co2 baby.
TM don't give a fuck about wasteing gas if you fill magazine, and you must fill to maximum to get good efficiency. So i don't think marui are efficient rifle.
This is a superb test I’m embarrassed that I love my ghk so much I’m shocked at the performance difference between the two replicas I run a TNT hop & barrel in my ghk , and am happy with its range and performance But obviously I am just loving it through rose tinted glasses as the TM is quite obviously superior in almost every way Thanks for all the effort put into this video Have another sub 👍
Thanks for your comment! I actually am in the process of releasing another range video because I noticed that the low power nozzle was causing a lot of inaccurate groupings for me. I think the GHK has its advantages and disadvantages and the TM is definitely not superior in every way since it lacks the build quality that the GHK has and the GHK has a much better trigger than the TM.
@@GBBEnthusiast But in games, it's all about hitting the target, right? So the video would imply the TM would be better on the field -- what do you think? Honest question since I am trying to decide whether to get a TM M4A1 or a GHK M4A1. Thanks for the vids, by the way! Subbed!
@@diverspudph I would say stock for stock the TM would give you more accuracy for games and has better trigger response because of the plastic buffer. I would mainly run the GHK for training/drills especially for trigger control and the stiffer bolt stop. Not to mention that the TM gave me less problems initially so there’s less fiddling around for 2-5k rounds. Thanks for the support and you’ll make a good choice either way as they’re both great GBBRs and each have their own pros and cons!
If you are to test out accuracy of both systems, you should use the closest setup of both guns. Test 1 1. same(or the closest) bolt and buffer weight 2. same recoil spring strength (Becoz these weight affects gas efficiency and consistency) 3. clip your guns on a stablized platform to erase human error (Heavier gun provides more shooting stability when being handheld) 4. same barrel length 5. same barrel diameter 6. if possible use same brand barrels, e.g. PDI (Different length and diameter of the barrel affects the BB acceleration time and also the consistency) 7. remove any muzzle devices and expose the inner barrel 8. Test also different FPS and with different BB weight These isolate the factors of the fire mechanism and the hop-up system out to test their respective accuracy. Unless you do most of the things above or more, you ain't gonna get a good enough comparison.
But if both weapons are standard then surely this is how people receive them? and I guess that's also how they should be tested? But he should at least use the acog on both, it is alot easier to shoot with and acog than iron sights. At least if you are not an experienced shooter
A very important factor that you might have overlooked is the ammo. the TM handles most grams well. compared to the GHK that really shines with heavier BB’s like 40+. Try that next time And I think that you’ll Find the difference to be negligible
Possible but unlikely. I also did a test at 50ft GHK vs TM but there was still a large spread. Initially I thought it was the maple leaf hop up responsible for the bad grouping. After further testing, I found that the low power nozzle was to blame for the groupings and I just bought a high power nozzle to even out the playing field. I’m going to test it again both with ACOGs in the coming weeks so stay tuned.
Id love for you to try same tests but use my modded mk 18 mws instead , with barrel and hop mods it shoots 0.4s at 80m consistent but its 300 fps on 0.4 so its classed as a dmr at my local sites
optic vs. no optic + standing grouping test, I know airsoft doesn't has too much recoil but still not a very scientific or convincing way to test the results, would be much better if shooting from a bench
Thank you for your feedback. I’ll definitely keep that in mind for the next test. I decided to release this because I figured it would be better to have some information rather than no information even though it wasn’t perfect.
Other than the looks, I think they’re pretty much the same. I did hear that the MK18 is really hard to remove the barrel nut so if you want to upgrade your hop up or change the rail, you might run into some issues if you don’t have the right tools. I only have the CQBR so I can’t really speak for issues with performance or anything like that. That being said, I already had a Madbull MK18 AEG rail so I just put that into the CQBR instead of getting the MK18 but I would’ve bought the MK18 if I had a choice.
@@GBBEnthusiast oh ok awesome ty! I think I’ll get the cqbr cause I prefer it’s looks! Keep up the awesome videos I love watching u compare different guns
@@hehehhe5461 My pleasure, let me know how that goes! I also got a CQBR as my first MWS and I really like how it has the integrated CQD rear sling mount and the vertical grip.
I can give it a shot with 0.36s the next time. Honestly, I doubt it would make that much more of a difference and not a lot of people would run such heavy weight BBs for such a low FPS. As much as I love the GHK, the performance with the Maple Leaf Hop Up chamber and barrel just isn't there.
After a lot more testing, I find that the high power nozzle makes the GHK shoot a lot better. In this video I have the low power nozzle since it was the only one available to me at the time. In terms of barrel and hop up I find that the GHK severely over hops anything lower than 0.36. If you were to use super heavy weight BBs and be very fine with the hop up adjustments you should be okay.
@@DrayAviation Yes, I'd say so. In terms of reliability, I would say that the TM would be able to shoot more rounds without messing with anything in the internals. In contrast, My TM trigger group is showing signs of wear (starting to double fire) whereas the GHK still works as it did on day 1 and even better considering it's broken in. The parts in the trigger group look like they're better built in the GHK and are less complex so theoretically easier to fix.
I’ve been testing it recently and I found that it may be the 1J nozzle that’s responsible for the inaccuracy. I’m going to test it again in a few weeks with the high-power nozzle but I know for a fact at 50ft the high-power nozzle is much better in terms of accuracy.
@@GBBEnthusiast you know what, I had the low power nozzle for arena use, and wasn’t impressed with accuracy. Buddy drilled it out to get more flow and thought maybe that was a factor; Sounds like that wasn’t the case. Upgraded to adjustable npas from ra-tech that I prefer. Easier than replacing nozzle and adjusting velocity from arena to outdoor. My buddy has a TM MWS, everything I heard about being the best system. I’m not seeing it…
@@JRasS14 Good idea, maybe I should test that NPAS from Ra-Tech and see if it makes that much of a difference. Honestly, I was pretty shocked to see the difference in accuracy between the high-powered nozzle and the 1J as I initially thought the Maple Leaf hop-up was the culprit. Speaking from experience, the MWS has given me the least amount of issues out of all the GBBRs I've owned, but it's definitely not for everyone. I can see why some people wouldn't like it, but the best rifle for you depends on the factors you find important and everyone has different criteria. Thanks for your comment!
on a ghk m4, try ratech magnetic npas, with a mapple leaf hop up chamber, with a 50° bucking and a maple leaf crazy jet barrel in 6.05, and use 0.43 BLS bb 😘.
For accuracy tests, shoot off a bench rest or stable tripod YOU DOPE, So you take your lousy aiming out of the equation ! THUMBS DOWN FOR THIS REVIEW JUST FOR THAT!
You're a champ for taking all those shots to simulate a man sized target at range. Another great video. Congrats on 200 subs man!
Thanks, for the support man! Yeah, the full auto to the back hurt lmao but it was worth it. We actually had to stop for a bit for a break because the TM was TOO accurate.
Great stuff, I'm loving your content!! I've had a lot of people ask me about the GHK and your content is really informative!! I did some real steel parts videos that did quite well. How about doing a drop in real steel parts video comparing the GHK, WE and the mws 😃
Thanks, Ollie! You're my go to channel when I need to find information about the MWS or AKM! Great idea for the next video. Quick question, if a real steel trigger was put into an Airsoft gun, would that mean you would be locked to semi considering full auto guns aren't legal?
@@GBBEnthusiast thanks buddy 😃 Well when it comes to RS triggers I think it would only maybe be a vipertech that could take one. But saying that if it's just the trigger and not the whole trigger group then it maybe doable, I'd probably want to test it on a cheap RS trigger from eBay or something before I tried with a Geissele or something. The full auto should be to do with the sear and selector rather than the trigger itself. I know GHK can take a real selector which is cool.
@@OllieTalksAirsoft Oh I see, I misunderstood your previous point lol. I can definitely do a real steel parts fitment video on grips and stocks since I have RS Magpul CTR and MOE. I recently installed a Magpul grip onto my TM AKM so I'll have a video on that too. Thanks again and thanks for the support!
@@OllieTalksAirsoftOld comment I know, but AFAIK most GBBRs take steps to limit real trigger compatibility. The trigger mechanism is the part that actually makes a firearm fully automatic, after all. If a GBBR was able to accept enough real trigger components to make an AR-15 upper function, then it would legally be considered a machine gun in the U.S... Which, while cool, is veryyy dangerous.
The best comparison of airsoft guns I’ve ever watched! Keep the good work 👍🏼
Glad you enjoyed the video Mohammad! Thanks for your kind words!
GHK use iron sight, TM use scope.......
Thanks for your feedback! When the weather warms up I’ll do a revisited test both guns with scopes.
doesnt realy matter since you can see where the bbs are flying.
Also the samples are inconsistent. Why take 10 shots on one gun, but then you take almost twice the shots on the other?
Range test comparison?
Ironsights on the ghk and a "zoom" scope on the TM?
less shots to the ghk at the consistency test. ehh??
I bet that the TM is your everyday rifle :)
Alltho... pretty nice video dude. 👍
Ghk got a lot more pros than tm does imo.
Steel trigger
Adjustable npas nozzles
Ra tech line forged receiver for decent price
Dh mod heavy recoil co2
Shoots much better with heavy weight bbs and tnt system
Can handle high fps and recoil
Pros for tm
Shoots accurate and good gas efficiency with green gas
Give the ghk more power and it will outperform npas nozzle and co2 baby.
Interesting take when the MWS clearly outperformed the GHK
TM don't give a fuck about wasteing gas if you fill magazine, and you must fill to maximum to get good efficiency. So i don't think marui are efficient rifle.
This is a superb test
I’m embarrassed that I love my ghk so much
I’m shocked at the performance difference between the two replicas
I run a TNT hop & barrel in my ghk , and am happy with its range and performance
But obviously I am just loving it through rose tinted glasses as the TM is quite obviously superior in almost every way
Thanks for all the effort put into this video
Have another sub 👍
Thanks for your comment! I actually am in the process of releasing another range video because I noticed that the low power nozzle was causing a lot of inaccurate groupings for me.
I think the GHK has its advantages and disadvantages and the TM is definitely not superior in every way since it lacks the build quality that the GHK has and the GHK has a much better trigger than the TM.
@@GBBEnthusiast But in games, it's all about hitting the target, right? So the video would imply the TM would be better on the field -- what do you think? Honest question since I am trying to decide whether to get a TM M4A1 or a GHK M4A1. Thanks for the vids, by the way! Subbed!
@@diverspudph I would say stock for stock the TM would give you more accuracy for games and has better trigger response because of the plastic buffer.
I would mainly run the GHK for training/drills especially for trigger control and the stiffer bolt stop.
Not to mention that the TM gave me less problems initially so there’s less fiddling around for 2-5k rounds.
Thanks for the support and you’ll make a good choice either way as they’re both great GBBRs and each have their own pros and cons!
@@GBBEnthusiast Much thanks! Appreciate your insights!
@@diverspudph My pleasure, any time!
If you are to test out accuracy of both systems, you should use the closest setup of both guns.
Test 1
1. same(or the closest) bolt and buffer weight
2. same recoil spring strength
(Becoz these weight affects gas efficiency and consistency)
3. clip your guns on a stablized platform to erase human error
(Heavier gun provides more shooting stability when being handheld)
4. same barrel length
5. same barrel diameter
6. if possible use same brand barrels, e.g. PDI
(Different length and diameter of the barrel affects the BB acceleration time and also the consistency)
7. remove any muzzle devices and expose the inner barrel
8. Test also different FPS and with different BB weight
These isolate the factors of the fire mechanism and the hop-up system out to test their respective accuracy.
Unless you do most of the things above or more, you ain't gonna get a good enough comparison.
But if both weapons are standard then surely this is how people receive them? and I guess that's also how they should be tested?
But he should at least use the acog on both, it is alot easier to shoot with and acog than iron sights. At least if you are not an experienced shooter
A very important factor that you might have overlooked is the ammo. the TM handles most grams well. compared to the GHK that really shines with heavier BB’s like 40+. Try that next time
And I think that you’ll
Find the difference to be negligible
Is it possible that the use of a magnified optic vs Irons impacted the outcome of these results?
Possible but unlikely. I also did a test at 50ft GHK vs TM but there was still a large spread.
Initially I thought it was the maple leaf hop up responsible for the bad grouping. After further testing, I found that the low power nozzle was to blame for the groupings and I just bought a high power nozzle to even out the playing field.
I’m going to test it again both with ACOGs in the coming weeks so stay tuned.
I like and enjoy your videos. Keep it up bro.
Thanks for your feedback, I’ll definitely keep posting!
are you using .20 bb's? there saying if use ggbr you need atleast .28bb minimum?
Id love for you to try same tests but use my modded mk 18 mws instead , with barrel and hop mods it shoots 0.4s at 80m consistent but its 300 fps on 0.4 so its classed as a dmr at my local sites
Sounds great, I would if I could but I’m located in Canada! 300 fps with 0.4 sounds insane! What mods did you do to achieve the range and accuracy?
@@GBBEnthusiast 370mm barrel 6.03mm diameter
Rtech npas, maple leaf nub and Mr hop bucking
@@joshturner9766 Looks good, thanks for the update! What brand barrel is the 370mm 6.03mm barrel you mentioned?
@@GBBEnthusiast a prometheus brother, u thinking of trying it out?
By the way loved the human target idea I must steal the idea for one of my no views videos in the future xD
Great land you have :)
Thank you!
my guy is using an acog in one and iron sights in the other how is that accurate in any way
optic vs. no optic + standing grouping test, I know airsoft doesn't has too much recoil but still not a very scientific or convincing way to test the results, would be much better if shooting from a bench
Thank you for your feedback. I’ll definitely keep that in mind for the next test. I decided to release this because I figured it would be better to have some information rather than no information even though it wasn’t perfect.
Lol was thinking the same thing. This test wasn’t accurate at all.
what bb weight did you use on target tests? probably I didnt get it in the video
My mistake, I didn't include it in the video. I used 0.32g for the shooting tests and 0.20g for the FPS test. Thanks for clarifying!
That’s not a fair comparison. You have 2 sights on your tm. Only iron sights on your ghk.
@GBBEnthusiast, maybe you could revisit this comparison with both having proper sights.
hey bro is it better to get the mk18 tm or the cqbr block 1? and whats the difference?
Other than the looks, I think they’re pretty much the same. I did hear that the MK18 is really hard to remove the barrel nut so if you want to upgrade your hop up or change the rail, you might run into some issues if you don’t have the right tools. I only have the CQBR so I can’t really speak for issues with performance or anything like that. That being said, I already had a Madbull MK18 AEG rail so I just put that into the CQBR instead of getting the MK18 but I would’ve bought the MK18 if I had a choice.
@@GBBEnthusiast oh ok awesome ty! I think I’ll get the cqbr cause I prefer it’s looks! Keep up the awesome videos I love watching u compare different guns
@@hehehhe5461 My pleasure, let me know how that goes! I also got a CQBR as my first MWS and I really like how it has the integrated CQD rear sling mount and the vertical grip.
The rails/ barrelnut are glued on the Barrel to remove it, you Need a hot air gun…for the tm…
Use .4s in the ghk I feel you'd get better results
I can give it a shot with 0.36s the next time. Honestly, I doubt it would make that much more of a difference and not a lot of people would run such heavy weight BBs for such a low FPS.
As much as I love the GHK, the performance with the Maple Leaf Hop Up chamber and barrel just isn't there.
Any chance to do some upgrade making ghk almost close to TM?
After a lot more testing, I find that the high power nozzle makes the GHK shoot a lot better. In this video I have the low power nozzle since it was the only one available to me at the time. In terms of barrel and hop up I find that the GHK severely over hops anything lower than 0.36. If you were to use super heavy weight BBs and be very fine with the hop up adjustments you should be okay.
@@GBBEnthusiast in terms with reliability i guess GHK is more durable than TM right?
@@DrayAviation Yes, I'd say so.
In terms of reliability, I would say that the TM would be able to shoot more rounds without messing with anything in the internals.
In contrast, My TM trigger group is showing signs of wear (starting to double fire) whereas the GHK still works as it did on day 1 and even better considering it's broken in. The parts in the trigger group look like they're better built in the GHK and are less complex so theoretically easier to fix.
@@GBBEnthusiast
Why do you believe that? :)
Is the maple leaf hop up unit to fault on the ghk?
I’ve been testing it recently and I found that it may be the 1J nozzle that’s responsible for the inaccuracy.
I’m going to test it again in a few weeks with the high-power nozzle but I know for a fact at 50ft the high-power nozzle is much better in terms of accuracy.
@@GBBEnthusiast you know what, I had the low power nozzle for arena use, and wasn’t impressed with accuracy. Buddy drilled it out to get more flow and thought maybe that was a factor; Sounds like that wasn’t the case. Upgraded to adjustable npas from ra-tech that I prefer. Easier than replacing nozzle and adjusting velocity from arena to outdoor.
My buddy has a TM MWS, everything I heard about being the best system. I’m not seeing it…
@@JRasS14 Good idea, maybe I should test that NPAS from Ra-Tech and see if it makes that much of a difference. Honestly, I was pretty shocked to see the difference in accuracy between the high-powered nozzle and the 1J as I initially thought the Maple Leaf hop-up was the culprit.
Speaking from experience, the MWS has given me the least amount of issues out of all the GBBRs I've owned, but it's definitely not for everyone. I can see why some people wouldn't like it, but the best rifle for you depends on the factors you find important and everyone has different criteria.
Thanks for your comment!
no shit you made more hits with the tm, the tm had an optic and the ghk didn't
The optic can make a difference but I tested it out at 50ft and the grouping was still all over the place.
on a ghk m4, try ratech magnetic npas, with a mapple leaf hop up chamber, with a 50° bucking and a maple leaf crazy jet barrel in 6.05, and use 0.43 BLS bb 😘.
For accuracy tests, shoot off a bench rest or stable tripod YOU DOPE, So you take your lousy aiming out of the equation ! THUMBS DOWN FOR THIS REVIEW JUST FOR THAT!