'The Secrets of Hillsong' Director Stacey Lee on her First Interview with Carl Lentz | Doc Dreams
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2023
- Stacey Lee, director of ‘The Secrets of Hillsong’ joins Variety’s Doc Dreams presented by National Geographic to discuss why her documentary did not need former pastor, Carl Lentz, to tell this story, what his experience was during their first on-camera interview, and why it was important to balance of all other perspectives in the church as well.
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I appreciate Stacey's comment at the end where she said "this story transcends the church. Look to Hollywood, etc." That this is not just a problem that is in the church, but is in our culture at large. This story just happens to take place in a church, but this documentary is not trying to be a take-down of the church. As a Christian, I appreciate that approach to documenting this story. In general as a culture we need to stop elevating flawed people to a position of celebrity, no matter what organization they are part of.
But you are also negating the fact that churches are one of the most dangerous places for young people. They've been covering up the biggest cases of abuse in history for decades. They took known pedos and moved them to new groups of kids when they got caught. The Catholic Church was exposed the last decade and this one will be the evangelical.
You can't deny facts.
True.👌🏼
I was in Hillsong Church in the North West of Sydney before Carl Lentz even came on the scene.
The Worship leader, Darlene Zschech, is the one who made Hillsong Church Internationally big. Churches began to do Praise and Worship in a similar style to Darlene and her team of Worship Singers and Writers.
Hardly anyone in Australia was talking about Carl. It is only the Americans and the American documentaries that have made Carl larger than life. Carl was never the main star. He rarely ever preached in Australia. We rarely even talked about Him. We rarely gave him a thought.
All these Documentaries trying to make out that Carl was the one who really made Hillsong big is just plain false !!
Facts. I still listen to the old worship songs.
Ok - but who cares
Dude, no one cares about Australia. The world follows the celebrities and celebrity culture in the U.S.
If we need more information on Kangaroos, we’ll hit you up. 👋
@@amandahugenkiss Hillsong Church began in Australia. NOT America.
Hillsong burst into the international scene more due to Carl's friendship with Justin Bieber. HS was very well known internationally by Christians (not unbelievers) due to their music, but I would say they became internationally known as a church due to American reports about Carl being buddies with Justin. My two cents. 🙂
This is what happens when you idolize. 🙏🏽🌎🇪🇨
Facts
The Bible was written by people that MESSED UP big time. Peter, denied The Lord after spending 3 years with Him! David committed adultery, Etc. Jesus is a redeemer. Sin has consequences, something deadly, but God is merciful God, AND HE WILL NEVER LET YOU DOWN! Do not put your faith in a pastor, nor a church
It takes a whole team of people to make any church what it is, it's never just one person. Everyone has to take accountability for their own actions (eg you choose to do something wrong) and yes the church should check in to see how others are doing too. Like any organisation or workplace you are going to get a mix of people, never forget there are still really nice and genuine people out there in the world, including in Hillsong, it would be naive to say there isn't. To be honest when we think of a church it shouldn't be because of any single person, we should be seeing it as the church of God period, it belongs to him and him alone and within the church of God are his people. Christianity is not a religion, it's a relationship. Also we all make mistakes whether big or small and somehow we have to reconcile with that to ourselves and others, we have to heal and move on. I think we have to remember that when people preach it's not about them, so no matter what a person has done we can still find truth in what they have said because it was never about them in the first place, people come and go but the word of God remains.
Amen! Its not God who hurts its the brokenness of humanity
Wow!!! Well said! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you for such true and profound words 🙏
So true🙏❤️🕊
Ya sure it takes a team but on the flip-side someone has to be a leader and take responsibility.
This documentary was very well done. Much better than the other one that came out. Carl seems to have changed though time will tell of course. I still think he was ousted the way he was because they were afraid he would start his own church. I mean nobody was as big as he was a few years back. He was everywhere! I wish him well. As a churchgoer at a huge mega church in Charlotte, NC this documentary sheds light on what makes these churches tick.
On the contrary, Carl showed Zero compassion for his victims. He turned himself into a victim through this documentary. He showed no remorse. He used passive language such as " I allowed an inappropriate relationship to develop" instead of "I cultivated an inappropriate relationship." he made it sound like the things he did were done TO him. 👀. Instead of saying he deserved to be removed, he pointed out how others who had done as he had done _weren't_ removed. He minimized his predation on the nanny, making it seem mutual and informed, yet he was busy drugging her and touching her whenever was only partially conscious and unable to fend him off.
This is an obvious redemption tour for Carl's public comeback. He even showed them his "humble new job as a low level advertising employee, only to announce his return to megachurch ministry as the documentary was released.
I have yet to see any change in Carl. This struck me as his worldwide privacy tour. Lol.
10000% agree @@politereminder6284
That’s exactly it , when you idol someone or anything other than God, you mess up. True leaders turn the mirror around on themselves, keeps them humble, kind and relatable . Pride comes before the fall .
Excited to react to this series. 9:07 I appreciate your honesty that you have an agenda with this. There are times where you clearly had an axe to grind with Christianity as a whole. And Hillsong definitely was a hypothetical mess.
Interviewer: "...what's your greatest hope for the docu-series and its impact is?"
Stacey: "I hope it creates a transparency and openness with which to talk about the religious systems in the global community.... it's not a take-down of religion...it's an ability to understand the good that's done but also the lines that are crossed that are bad and how to look out for those because we live in a culture where celebrity worship and personality worship is in every stage not just religion."
This was her agenda. She may not have had an "axe to grind" (your words) if there was no malfeasance.
But let's be honest. Documentaries' center on investigative insight into some injustice. C'mon now.
@@NikkiBramwellOnline I agree with u
Ruslan not seeing it the way we do
So many churches like this one we just left one like this. It’s not God but people💔
God allways forgives, but never takes away the consequences of sin. That`s on you and hopefully you will learn your lesson.
So true and AMEN 🙏
Sometimes he does: it’s called grace
@@JaneDoe-lw6eh Nope, grace is in the forgiving part.
The only people this was shocking to were the ones who needed or wanted to believe he was authentic...it was more than obvious to people outside the church he was about money, fame, and power.
This one springs to mind ruclips.net/video/JBsRQLoqdyw/видео.html
And it's funny that people think his image here is 'who he is.' No, he's a manipulative chameleon, showing a new persona.
I feel people put so much into religion and people in the church. Instead of having a true real relationship with God. Learning the word for yourself and understanding it.
this!!!!!!!!!
We must not elevate men…but Christ. If a man takes the praise and believes it…it will destroy him…for it was never meant FOR him.
Praise and worship was meant for God.
I think that we should pray for Carl Lentz to a real relationship with Christ.
Wow, if only someone thought about that before?
They could actually hold him accountable and get him some therapy, but I’m sure praying it all under a rug is preferred. They need Carl back out there digging into celebrity’s pockets.
How can he preached about Jesus without having a relationship with Jesus. The irony 😢
@WinFromWithin
If we walk in our flesh we'll continue to sin. We need to walk in the spirit as Christians.(Romans 8:7-9)
@@deborawiratno89 Nothing ironic about it. More people have been abused at the church than any other organization.
I agree
Excellent! I want to see this documentary. As one who used to be very active in the Evangelical world I know she is right... the church is no different than a corporation with sleazy politics and power plays... cruelty and abuse by the "corporate" officers who call themselves pastors... but...because they say they are God's people, they are more powerful and their victims are far more devastated by the disallusionment they experience when they realize they have been used and abused.
that last phrase... totally on point.
I am actually shocked by how broken he seems
Yes he looks broken.the swagger he had looks gone
This is a reason you have to have a relationship with Jesus and know him for yourself outside of the walls of the church building and people because man fail. The beautiful thing is that God never does if you know him for yourself.
I think this documentary is subjective with only 60 sources compared to a large church congregation. the church is not a collection of saints, all churches have dark stories because they were built by a group of people, it cannot necessarily that church people will be fine with their lives because we still live in a world where sin cannot be avoided. but what can build a church is because of faith and forgiveness. God has loved us long before we knew him, because we live in grace. I hope all those who are hurt are able to find their way with God and find peace in forgiveness.
The church is a collection of saints
Don't use this rhetoric to sweep sin under the rug. Congregants are as much victims of leadership as ever
Corporate repentance is in order. Accountability taking is in order.
All Christians should be willing to engage in. Examination of church polity, church Ecclestical set up, and structures.
Where cna i find the doc
I’m curious to see the parallels between this and the Mars Hill doc
Humiliating but it is a public 5th step & very cathartic. Picture being a Rock Star in any arena. ❤
Hillsong was always popular. When Carl came on the scene , I was like 16 and he would come to our youth conferences and because his hair was so long he gave off the Jesus vibes. Carl Lentz didn’t make hillsong but he did make hillsong apart of “pop” culture.
It's always easy to point out mistakes people have made. I'm not defending or justifying him at all. I simply believe that we often are quick to judge as if we're perfect and we've never made mistakes. If people really knew all our hidden sins, they'd be turned away. Even in the Bible, all of these huge followers of God had their faults and made big mistakes. The only perfect one is Jesus and that's the ONLY one we should keep our eyes on.
How does anybody know if somebody's crying for real, so now you can't even cry without being put down, oh brother
You can't contextualize performance for a narcissist. They live it. Every. Moment. Dangerously close. To actual humans.
He very well may be but, it is incredibly dangerous to label someone you’ve never met a narcissist. It’s akin to people idolizing someone they’ve never met. Both are wrong but lets back away from some of the hyperbole maybe.
@@jeffboles2470 fair enough ;o) How do you know if I've ever met him or of I'd be qualified to say?
@@brightpage1020 forgive me. I didn’t know you were a clinical psychologist that evaluated a superstar pastor and violated the hypocratic oath to comment about it in the comment section on RUclips.
@@jeffboles2470😂 im ded
@@jeffboles2470 The signs are clearly there...manipulative, charming, deceptive, chameleonic...it isn't at all akin to idolizing someone. You will know them by their fruit.
The Bible clearly tells us to have discernment about these kinds of things don’t get caught up in the man! But serve God with your whole heart the truth will set you free!!!🙏🙏🙏 you will know them by their fruit🙋♀️
What people need to realize is that just because you go to church or hold a leadership position in church doesn’t mean that you turn in your human card. We are all human and capable of falling. I’m not excusing what he did, but if people can forgive a celebrity or a politician of infidelity then they can forgive a pastor
Excellent
documentary! Great to see how the grace of God saved Carl's marriage. The documentary really opened my eyes to the organization of the church
How can we watch it?
Hulu watching it now
Can't watch it in Australia
An attempt for "The Redemption of Carl Lentz" He was human with all its failures, love him, hate him; the world loves its own.
It seemed as if to me that Carl really stepped out of the “Church Carl Lentz” and stepped out into the real Carl Lentz of just who he is. I personally believed that he came across as more humanized than previously.
I also really appreciated Laura’s story and the negative impact it had on her and her relationship with God.
I’d be very curious to know how Carl felt that everything was portrayed and if he really got out what he wanted and needed to say, now that he’s not under the Hillsong NDA.
I cheated on my wife because I wanted to and I could- and used Justin Bieber to gain a following is all I got
He was given a second chance and I hope he does not blow it with his family for fame and fortune🙏
I know heaps of people that attend Hillsong that love their God and church and who volunteer
Hey, we all fall…Carl is just a man. God Bless him
But some ppl dive into concrete. On purpose.
Where is this documentary?
Hulu
Dude messed the bag up. He had it. Church is a business and business was booming
3:40 - Incredible performer not preacher
9:50 - Look to Hollywood, Look to politics, it's a human problem
He violated the biblical standards to continue ministry. He shouldn’t be allowed to pastor. Just get a job somewhere else
He’s not a pastor.
I just saw this documentary last night and as a Believer, I was sad, triggered, shocked, and not shocked! I prayed and thanked G-d that my relationship with Him is not dependent on man. These leaders were motivated by pride, power, greed, and lust! I know wonder if Brian Houston’s son’s Frank and Joel are repeating the sins of their father and grandfather father. It is dangerous when someone convinces themselves that the truth is a lie and the lie is the truth!
Carl was absolutely in the wrong which he admitted and I feel for his wife, children, and family because they were a causality of his actions. I do believe that the women he had affairs with were consensual in having sex with him and it was disgusting to see them act like they were victims (it is hard to heal when their is no ownership or accountability). I am glad he took ownership and that he appears to be living a life of recovery and redemption. I am praying for him, his family, his former staff and members of the church. I hope they all heal!
With that said, it was clear that he was treated like a scapegoat and the leadership at Hillsong handled this and so many situations wrong and what appears to be in many cases illegally. The Houston’s acting like the victims was very arrogant and hypocritical at minimum. I hate when people blame the devil or their “enemies” but they don’t take ownership for their actions (both in private and in public). It would be one thing if people made up lies against them, it is another thing when one lies and tries to conceal the truth.
I have have seen and experienced things in Church that I could have easily changed places with people sharing their experiences on this doc. When you are in the midst of seeking help or blowing the whistle your are often mistreated, gaslit, and rejected. Although my faith in G-d is very strong I haven’t been a member of or attended church in years and I don’t see that changing in the future. I don’t watch “Christian” TV, ministers, and it is hard to listen to the music and watch films that I know are made by people that social stances are detrimental to lives of countless others. Specifically, seeing how theses individuals and institutions handle children abuse and sexual assault was sickening while abusers and their enablers continued obtaining power and popularity because of their privilege!
Sadly, so much of the abuse has and continues to happen in ministries, churches, and denominations worldwide because people haven’t changed nor have they been held accountable!
i always wanted to be a christian til i met one Lentzs perfect example of such sentiment
Erinnert mich an die Mega Gemeinde ich Stuttgart -
Hellsong by Spotlight is an interesting watch
What is with the change of appearance and the tugging of the hair is it trying to say I look different so am different.
I watched it & I pray GOD will RESTORE & people know JESUS more than what they see on the stage
Sad that there wasn't enough voices to steer this ship to safety!
Oh It's breaking my heart to read that : this guy or that lady who made this church famous.
This guy Carl was made the big deal cuz of Justin. That is the only reason he ever become known nationwide
There are so many "Hillsong affiliates" globally, ESPECIALLY around the United States.
I was apart of the congregation of the local branch here in Texas for less than a year.
I experienced firsthand the "celebrity pastor" along with "cult-like" stigma and afterwards I was VERY turned off by Christian churches ESPECIALLY nowadays.
It's ALWAYS a "Christian rally" and people there were more into taking photos "for the 'Gram" while making it into a "fashion show."
It's like "high school" because it's so "clickish" and was NOT welcoming to the less fortunate.
I grew up in the ‘Mega Church’ Evangelical Movement in TX as well (Dallas). I’m no longer a believer but even before I lost my faith, it was fairly obvious a lot of that stuff was more about celebrity and social currency. There are some great churches down there but the Prosperity Gospel type churches seem like a total show for money.
Why are you letting ONE church define Christianity? By the way, the word is clique, not click.
@Gail A. : It's just NOT that particular church here in Texas, so many "megachurches" are eerily similar!
The congregation follow aimlessly like "walking zombies" and WORSHIP the ground that the "celebrity pastors" walk on.
Carl was always a motivational speaker glad he's fired
Jesus Christ is Lord
People put people on pedestals. They become mighty in their own eyes. Then God removes the pedestal and great is their fall.
As a Christian it’s telling to me that the least judgemental / condemning person is a non christian. Hmmm
It's because we know he human
Just a few things which aren’t entirely correct.. Carls issue was not a catalyst to exposing certain things. These were common knowledge for many years. It was never the church of Brian Houston or Carl Lentz, but the Church of Jesus Christ. Celebrity and Pastor should not even be in the same sentence..
He should have just been a Hollywood actor
You hear about so many Pastor liking the world as they say.... Justin Bieber and Puff Ditty pastors. They don't think that there actions would bring so much pain to other's. Sad😮
Carl is a spirit filled Christian who has a relationship with Jesus. I only seen him preach once but only the Holy Spirit could have inspired the message he spoke. Ok he fallen. Read the Bible. Many men of the Bible had fallen short yet had a profound influence on bringing people; sinners to the kingdom of God. Only we put value on sin & judge a man. God shows mercy & forgives. The devil works overtime to trap pastors into doing his work. A righteousness man will fall 7 times but will get up.
Ppl needs to stop idiolizing men since theyre normal human beings , God is not religion or someone who remembers the beautiful bible and performs a character , we as human beings can make mistakes , so i belive men who work as pastors should forget aboyt themselves as the focus of a beautiful projevr theyre not a celebrity, if you see a pastor way to care for his looks and more like a rockstar theres so much ego, vanity , because theyre not putting God's first, tmit feels like there kind of using him for theyre own selfish dark purposes and this shows ppl is so easy to deceive .
He's still spinning. Watch this to see DARVO at work.
Not sure why that place is even called a church, I would best say they are motivational gatherings. Feel good music, feel good sermons, there's no Christ in this. Everyone's to busy with their titles and who made what.
Thankful he came forward and was honest (I hope 🙏) keep your head and heart up Carl ❤❤❤
The saddest part about this whole documentary is that the people were so focused on Carl and the church - so focused on a MAN, instead of being focused on Jesus and His word. They looked to be appeased by a man instead of seeking out what Christ wanted for them. They joined this church without asking God if that's where they should be. They focused on what these "white men" believed instead of what God has already said and established.
God is God and the Bible is the Bible regardless of what a church/pastor says or believes. The one lady who said "Christianity is always behind" - man, what a sad statement. These people aren't looking for truth in Jesus, they are looking for a "church" that will affirm how they want to live with a little bit of Jesus on the side.
White men... yes, of course.. white men's fault.
Why did the nanny spend so much time with the Lentz family when she had her own husband and child in Boston. Her husband was a Hillsong pastor in Boston. What kind is unhealthy relationship was this and why was it allowed?
If pastors have multiple campuses they often need a nanny to look after the children as their wife would be in a campus speaking and the husband would be in the other. Or they would be travelling. Sometimes the Nanny is mixed with Responsibilities as a PA.
@@rachelhovenden3669 but their nanny has her own children to care for and had a nanny to care for them while she cared for the Lentz family. Also the nanny’s husband was also a pastor for Hillsong. Just seems like an unhealthy situation.
@@kyleyoakum9383 I wondered this too. At first i was upset with the nanny, like why didnt u go home for christmas, obvious u liked carl. But then... If u watch closely, there was like u said this power dynamic. Both Laura and Carl said: we were her pastors, we were her leaders. You could say Carl was a 'greater' pastor because even though the nannys husband was a pastor too, Carl was their pastor. Meaning, it was her job? In a statement she said, when pointing out that she wanted to leave, that Carl said: what kind of job you think youre gonna get outside of church? Laura also admitting she was being harsh on her (afterwards), leaving her in the house, and also mind u, hit HER so hard she almost broke her finger. Meaning the nanny had 2 leaders bossin around. Like u see with the wives: they are supporting their husbands. And apparantely there is ranking. So even though nanny was important herself as a pastor, not important enough and also Laura is a part of this dynamic (maybe in the beginning being oblivious for this). She assumed this is her role and duty as a nanny. Even though saying 'u can go home for christmas'. Also nanny feeling it as her duty that carls and lauras kids are more important because all did it for the bigger pictuere. What ya think? :D
@@Juliana-oc3ki , thanks for your good explanation. The dynamic structure you described does sound a bit on the cultic side of practice.
@@kyleyoakum9383 watching the documentary made me think of Scientology but in a more proper, fancy way. Like with Scientology, the closer u get to Brian Houston, the more u learn what he rlly stands for. (Like so in Scientology the more u are in the system u come to learn that they actually belief in UFOs, aliens and stuff, but not if ur new). So to the public ‘all are welcome’ but for years no one knew their stance on lgtbq, except when you’re there for years or by some kind of situation. Being shunned, belittled. It’s really interesting. Hillsong seemed like the solutions to a lot of problems we see in churches: the picky rules: now u stand now u sit, don’t say this, don’t wear that, etc. It turned out to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing. A very conservative theology where fellow Christian’s allow leadership to misbehave and not condone it, but praise it. Yelling they are ppl of God. I watched another documentary part and u know what Brian says? He says that he is annointed by God and that annointed people are a protected species. God protects and his specie. Seems an awful lot like he is seeing himself like just a little / or just a like Jesus. Isn’t this what the Bible warns us for? So yes, cultic system very much so. And look how many people in 1 blink of an eye will never turn to faith again. I’d say: this seems a lot like the wolf in sheep’s clothes, the devil at work.
The speck in his eye or the plank in mine. Not one . Not one of you is innocent. He will save even one in his testimony! Pray for you! Lead don’t stop leading
Amen
It is quite possible that God is "allowing" these things to happen in the church in order to draw out His true people. I say this, because true Christians-- those who are really His -- will have their eyes and ears opened to the truth (because God gives them a love for His truth) and will separate themself from these false teachers.
God can, and does, use everything for His own purpose and glory -- even the sins of others serve His purposes.
There are those who are merely appalled at the sins of others, and there are those who heed it as a warning...and there's a big difference between these two!!
Wealth and fame can be poisonous to someone with deep problems. It seems like carls got his life back together.
GOD does not need colour light,loud music,an nice speaker ,He’s GOD the one an only amen all these people who run these businesses are in for a shock,depart from me I new you not are words that come to mind when I see these church businesses leaders ,scary thing to full in to the hands of the living GOD,read Acts ch 2 v 38 ,Mark ch 16 v 15 to the end of chapter this will see you right trust GOD an HIS word the bible,you can’t go wrong listening to his word not someone speaking .
GOD gave the holy commandments, to the hebrew nation and through the holy prophet Moses! ...the new testament saids Jesus studied the torah and tanakh amongst the Jewish leaders! ...Jesus was Jewish! So those who want others to take them serious, then why not learn judiasm as Jesus studied?
I don’t think he was a huge superstar, he was just a weird hotdog that was a product of purity culture that got married to young woman that was encouraged by hillsong so he could become a pastor at a young age. He was too young to be put in that position and he couldn’t handle it! I don’t feel sorry for Carl lenz. I feel bad for the women and boys that were victimized by folks at hillsong!
He benefitted and now he is talking after he fall in his sins.
That is so strange 🤔. When you fall in sins, the church have to discipline you.
I don't know why their making this particular pastors moral failure a big blow up there are millions of pastors who had affairs famous pastors who have had secrets and were not blowing those up
It's sad how we triumph in downfall.
Carl Lentz was for immediately upon discovery… they did their job and followed and upheld righteousness. Period.
Carl blessed everyone in church. He is so gifted at changing lives.Thank you God for Carl. Thank you Carl for saving our lives!
Nah. God saved you.
Keep in mind that was another famous preacher who was very charismatic and said controversial things and grew a very large following in a matter of a few years… he was so controversial that they crucified him. Of course I’m speaking of Jesus. By no means at I saying Carl like Jesus in terms of righteousness or holiness or whatever I’m Just saying here we are 2000 years later and still judge people simply because of charisma and fame… and of course we shouldn’t do that.
Carl did not make Hillsong famous, know this and know peace. Darlene was the one.
Hillsong boomed because of the music, and the leadership of Darlene Zschech to the music team. They made a positive impact to the churches. She left Hillsong along with her husband around 2006 or 2007 to lead a new small church. I think there was something that happened around that time on Hillsong the reason she left that church. Carl Lentz was just a speaker on every conference they had, never knew he's a pastor or something.
3:45. Incredible performer. Mmmmm hmmmmmm.
You don’t go to church to worship the church … you go to worship God; of course fall out will happen when you do the opposite
These pastors and evangelists are the very same evil that they preach about. They know that heaven or God you believe in can’t do anything against them.
They use ignorance and fear in God to abuse their power over you.
Your need to be saved and validated by someone you think has authority over you what makes you vulnerable to these predators.
The danger of any Church denomination that becomes a global empire business, the lens significantly changes.
Where is Jesus in all these ????
Exactly. That’s the problem with Lentz and Hillsong’s leaders involved - not top of mind. They lost the plot.
He never existed
None. This was all "let's glorify Carl Lentz" documentary.
I allmost feel sorry for him...
This whole hillsong imperium was never about Yahouah
I heard no God mentioned in this interview, all I hear is production, the music, what happened to Carl
A pastor at my old church loves Carl Lentz and Steven Furtick. He went to elevation church (with church money of course) and came back quoting him and got his hair cut all cool and started wearing Trendy clothes. 😅
Forgive the guy...he's working on himself and fighting for his family b
He's a con man of course he made you feel like he had been hurt by that church.
Carl still a cool dude tho🌱 he’s a man of God but just as the rest of us we make bad decisions and mistakes… you know going to the store and accidentally forgetting your wallet is a mistake, but decision is know “ I shouldn’t do this but I’m gonna do it” theirs a difference. At the end of the day drugs don’t make someone a bad person but it means they just make bad decisions
Or not
Carl needs to be real with God and give up the fame ego train
Feel like he’s really at that spot in the small preview we got of him and his family
The fact that he even gives interviews show you the type of person he is.
Focus on God, move on and have a normal job….
Trying to get back in the money game
All press us good press.
What's up with that little thing he's doing with his hair? It's creepy
Carl Lentz caused his personal trauma. He is the person that caused his own trauma and Carl Lentz hurt many other people. Carl Lentz is the causal factor that created his own problems. This should be noted.
Pretty funny that Jack Daniels has a hand I this. Or aprapo
These comments are why SO MANY ppl are turning away from the church! the guy - a sinner as we all are - had an affair! and so what!!!!
"you hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
the WHOLE POINT OF THE CHURCH IS TO COME AS BROKEN AS WE ARE, SINS AND ALL, AND STILL BE WELCOMED AND LOVED!!! get over yourselves all you pure sinless ppl - sarcasm intended - with so much to say!
You are right. This is the core of our belief. But i think the problem here is, that Carl was preaching and carrying himself (not only carl but brian and the rest too), that he is a man of God, that God speaks through him, that Carl blesses (which looks a lot like jesus references). God also states in the bible that those who take leadership roles or teacher roles will have a lot more to atone for. It's one thing if Carl messes up as a human being, its another when he preachers whilst lying. Like brian, they deceive, lie, hide for all sorts of reasons: shame, pride, the system etc. But here is the question: how can one be a man of god, that god gives him messages, and at the same time be not just sinful, but rape, infidelity and stuff. I think what i wanna say, we as humans can praise god and with the same mouth can say the nastiest things. But its another lvl when u get up on a stage and preach almost as if... youre jesus himself. The things he say resonates with us, cause he is saying the things jesus said. Its Jesus who we resonate to, not carl. Not Brian.
Or for example: a kid comes forward saying to the pastors that one of the pastors did him wrong. The pastor punched him in the face saying: he can do no such thing, he is a man of God. So all the christians did not throw a stone, as a matter of fact, they gave better jobs to the pastors, they could go on holiday etc. They praised them. I think this is were things go wrong. What would Jesus do? Just forgive him? No. Jesus always said what is right, what is wrong. He called people out. And he looked into the hearts of people and then he'd choose to forgive or not. Jesus never stepped away from a discussion or saying things as they are. Thats how u keep things pure. The body of christ should be pure. But like u said, we are not pure. But pretending to be pure... i really dont think thats a man of god. And i dont think god would condone that. Again: is hillsong reacting like (we think) jesus would? No. They are more reacting like the devil would
What i think imma trynna say: i do not go out and about saying 'im a man/woman of god'. I need to atone each day, ask for grace forgiveness each day, in the hope in the end i will be forgiven. This is a continous process. But running around and doing things in the name of jesus and in the name of god, what does that make you? An apostle? Diciple? Jesus? Someone after Jesus? This is dangerous and a grey area. The devil did come up to jesus in the desert. The devil comes up to us too. Only jesus could carry the burden, we cannot. So we shouldnt pretend or take a Jesus teachers role. There is more power in being humble. Brian and other staff certainly dont act like that. You can see it by the actions. If jesus were here, he certainly would have called em out like he did with the Pharisees (who taught they did everything right).
Ohhhh wowwww TARZAN is a christian pastor????🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why don't I feel sorry for Carl and the Trauma he has gone through? Maybe it is that he is a Primadonna who was given much more than other human being will ever get and lived a life most people will never have the opportunity to experience and left with plenty of money, far more than a working man will ever have. YEAH, not feeling sorry for him.
I don't understand why you have to interview this guy or any of them... it kinda glorifies the crud.
Please Carl and Laura come back!!!!
Carl should just stay out of the limelight and Stop seeking fame & fortune Again!! He shouldn't be Anywhere on a movie,documentary or TV programmes ! He should Stay Humble in staying off of Any TV exposure!! I do Pray he is truly changed but here he is Again putting himself back in the limelight! I don't know Carl's heart, but God does! I just pray the best for Carl & his family! 💕😇
When Carl wears the 70s glasses, he looks like a serial killer
Lol
Plot twist- pastors are human too and not without sin-