What's wild about this, is if you actually look at this gauntlet run it legit looks like he's baiting the balls and going the other way. Made it through first try and knew he could channel the rift.... so to make it through that part completely fine and then walk around in a circle for so long in the sand room is bananas. Like he watched a vid how to run the maze and then just didn't watch the rest of the route lol
I amazed how many different WA and addons this guy has. He clearly invested time into his UI and somehow ended up with this amalgamation which could be considered a blindfold light. Amazing. On completing the dungeon, they only completed the dungeon because the tank is playing paladin and Prot pala happens to auto-kick. Without that they would still be fighting the Marauders today.
I know I should've recorded but anyway Did a +5 Fall on my fresh lvl 70 428 ilvl druid (balance) that I also have no previous experience with in other expansions. Joined 3 paladins (2 of them were prot, found that out mid key..) and a sham healer, an absolute enigma of a player. All waited for the sham for like 5 to 10 minutes till he typed: "Im over the mountain now" meaning he had no dragonflying or dragonflying mounts and was ground mount walking to the dungeon. (this still gives me tons of questions.) he "must've missed the quest for flying" he said.. we summoned him tho. We wiped on every boss except for the second one and our majestic shaman was the first to die every time, we had 2 prot pally's and they could solo it. We then failed to place circle on chromie on final boss for 4 or 5 wipes (they didnt soak after I had the circle) both the prot paladins then left. a +5, 10 min over time and still disbanding it in the end, with me having done 52% of overall dungeon damage at 59k dps.
@@heythereguysitsMetro My pc is just outdated and recording in the background causes a tiny bit of lag/framerate drops wich holds me back for now, 99% of the runs wouldnt be interesting or worth recording. But yeah, this wouldve been one 🙄
Similar story here. My mate dinged a priest, so I wanted to give him a quick boost. He got a key, +2 Rise. Brought my 480 bear. Still took proper comp of random n00bs. I'm >3k on main, and >2.8k on best tank, so I knew what I was doing... issue was, pugs knew BETTER! They kept killing themselves over and over, and berating me, the top source of healing AND damage and sole source of interrupts not counting my buddy. By last boss, 2 of the geniuses who couldn't just follow the tank left, so we abandoned the key, reset, gotten a different +2 and went with 2 more guildies. 4-manning proved easier than putting up with clueless, selfindulged pugs...
there is a vast number of players who play like 4-6 hours over the whole weekend (fr+sat+sun) and thats it. if every mythic-run was magically saved as replay by blizz, you would see countless runs like this. thousands of players take weeks/months to even reach mythic-entry. questing, dabbling in professions wandering the open world etc. ya know casuals. most not even using a single addon. it could be argued that with the right mindset a key like that was a lot of fun for everyone involved who plays the game without sweating profusely.
This was me back in TBC, althought he knew his talents and role at least. Throughout vanilla, I thought dungeons were essentially like the arcade game, Gauntlet. You just went in there and did your best, with some characters being good at some things and others being good at others. I had no idea that there were "roles" in the game in dungeon parties. I remember just standing there the first time I was in Mana Tombs and, being a Prot Warr, one guy said, "Alright, go up and tank it" and I said, "What do you mean?" I must have been in ZF, Mara, BRD etc and no one ever said anything to me. Looking back, I guess they just figured it would take too long to explain things and we just winged it. I think I did figure out I on my own eventually that I could survive better than others, so I was more in the mix of things (melee) knowing I could take it, but it wasn't by design. We always did pretty good as I remember keeping that little green guy at the bottom of the ZF stairs fight alive, for example, so he could blow up the door with his dynamite and I had the mallet to bang the gong at the end LOL. What an experience.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Indeed...I was specc'd all wrong too. I was essentially a dps warr with a shield until someone in our nightly grp told me in Black Morass. Our healer was delighted how "good" I was afterwards. Not sure how that arcane mage (his name was Hamil) saw my talents as wowhead wasn't around...just thotbot, but he sure made our lives easier as a group.
i fucking love these videos so much, the peoplewatching and observations you make are incredible especially as a 13 year WoW vet myself, reminds me of my Legion days when I was a full sweat commenting on shitty pugs in discord, I was toxic then, reformed now :)
Wow, I never knew there was someone else out there who could get so lost so easily. Super props to these guys for finishing it and at least learning the geography of the place so next time they can focus on mechanics (hopefully). It's funny, though. LAst season when I was messing around on my horde monk just for the giggles (and because I loved your evoker streams so much) I did notice that there was VERY little toxicity (if any) in liek 2s-9s. And several times people typed in stuff like "never been here before" "no idea how to do this place" and other group members would explain things. Seemed very wholesome, so I am not shocked that there is no toxicity, since presumably all 5 players were new to the instance (and it is for real the most confusing dungeon ever made) I just hope they all took somethign from the run and used it to propel themselves to be better. Speaking of Evoker streams, gonna put in my request right now. The WoW community NEEDS you and Harry doing keys together. It would be the cure for what ails a community besieged by toxicity and weary for some true fun and funny times. Harry, Metro, Bruvs, make it happen captains!
@@heythereguysitsMetroWell, if he buys TWW he will get a free boost to 70 so he could step right in and be on the run in no time. 😉 I do wonder, though, if he has been away long enough for you to RaF him too. Just a thought.
@@kopitarrules Ya I don't know. He said he has the boost, but actually has a Death Knight on Dalaran. We raided together for a few weeks in Sepulcher of the First Ones, if you remember. I think he wants to just level that instead of boost, but who knows.
@@heythereguysitsMetro It's very good in vanilla-wrath depending on class. It's just a package of info that you can customize as you want. Incoming heals/dmg is important, it shows procs, buffs, debuffs, cooldowns coming up, incoming resources and more. But the AMOUNT of numbers he is getting with this addon in retail is ridiculous! It doesn't look anything like that on an version of wow haha
That interrupt tracker + the window thingy (or whatever it is) overlapping was giving me huge OCD man. I usually don't judge a UI because it's personal preference but that UI surely can't be optimal in high keys. Also for the soak on Tyr it just does increased damage for each person missing, which is why you sometimes solo soak it as tank, with immunity of course on very high keys if nobody got defensives up.
Ya, I think its simply a case of downloading some one else's UI and just having a bunch of stuff clashing but having no real knowledge of how to fix the individual clashes. This is why I just made my own UI. Far easier to start from nothing and build what you actually need.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Yea 100%. Although i have chosen to take several peoples UI and then make my own that way, it took a while but i like how it turned out in the end
I had fun experience when these dungeons were first introduced (so before m+, mega dungeon). Literally nobody knew what to do but we kept going and just exploring the tactics ourselves. Good ol times
In season 2, my dad tried to do mythic plus for the first time and couldn’t get past key level 10 because even though he was overgeared for the level, he did like 20-30k overall even after I gave him tips and he watched videos on how to improve in keys. He just was too slow at pressing his buttons. He played demo warlock since vanilla
I cant believe this happened, I just cant...they really wanted that +2 finished I coudnt stop laughing when Chromie showed up and you were hyping Chromie for helping them 😂😂
You can buy 441 bind on account boxes for 350 flight stones each from the m+ npc and send them to alts. They give random pieces of gear from the current m+ season. Thats for sure the best way to start gearing a fresh 70. I do that, then buy 418-421 gear to fill out the rest so i can get in raid finder and start running keys. I think its why im seeing a lot of 470 or higher players running like +6s
Not sure of the leap to 470 in a 6 but you are right about the rest for sure. It's a nice feature but sadly flightstones are way too limited to actually deck out a character fully.
I’ve gotten so confused in this on on heroic. There’s a lot about this dungeon I hadn’t figured out until watching this, like you don’t have to clear all of the sand in the one room. I need to start watching videos on dungeons before attempting them because I’m just slowing things down for others
haha ya certainly do not have to clear the sand. You can start by leafing through the spreadsheet and filtering by dungeon etc and see whatever you feel like you might not know yet! docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uaDILs0xd4Hk08S7lR27jdMIzs3raMhOqTzFCv_ScsU/edit#gid=1869688903 Any questions, just ask!
The only 2 I failed the timer on was me and my guildmates screwing around. We took 4 people. The tank had never tanked. The healer had never healed. I chose Unholy DK, which I knew nothing about. Our other dps was a mildly competent 12/13 M+ shadow priest. We completely bombed a +2 DHT and it was super fun, would recommend to anyone (if you get along with your friends.)
Not gonna lie, I can understand the confusion. Resubbed a month ago, and I spammed DoTi Rise/Fall runs to learn everything for higher keys. My first few runs were definitely horrific haha
im like super friendly in these baby keys 😂 i talk to the players and offer them advice and they most of the time they listen. this key range used to be so toxic because the valor farmers just want to spam these keys for a fast clear instead of waiting for people to learn the dungeon 😂
Yeah, Rise is interesting if you aren't familiar with it. It's simple once you understand it, but you have to figure it out or have it explained to you prior. When the season started, we would clear all 3 portals, go into left and kill Battlefield, go back, go right and kill Morchie, then go back again and go middle to last boss. And to make it more confusing, half of the dungeon is Fall anyways. The gauntlet is where you fought Chronikar, the sand area is where you fought Manifested Timeways and the middle portal leads to the same area where you fight the last bosses.
When a game is designed around addons, this is the outcome. It's only natural, that people would have so much trouble when not using it. I love WoW, love playing it. But yeah, its difficulty sometimes, not all the time, can be rather questionable. lol. It does make for some really really amusing moments tho.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make with addons here. What addon are you expecting these guys to have in order to help them not get lost like that? The In game Map is what is confusing them lol
@@heythereguysitsMetro haha. Often without deadly boss mods, or others it leads to allot of people not knowing about the totems, and other complex mechahics. And yes the in game map is something we've still yet to fully figure out rofl.
@@heythereguysitsMetro It tells tanks when they're about to get one shot by razan, tells people to run and hide. it gives allot of pretty important and helpful information to new players. it helps with the totems too. We run a pretty big guild clearing mythics, and run +28 keys. We help allot of people just starting, and DBM is a wonderful aid in that department, instantly takes someone from dying constantly to surviving. We have allot of packs linked for DBM as well which add much more information than stock.
@@wowzer4919 My guild uses DBM for it as well. We likely download the same templates lol. It legit tells news players what to do, and when to attack totems ect. Also lets you know if he's invulnerable, and what to do. Maybe he isn't aware of this? Either way yeah they need to stop making mechanics that require perfection from every person to proceed.
Thing is it’s actually a perfect storm that 5 people never being in or k owing the dungeon and not be toxic and just delete and only have 9 deaths lol.
That's so crazy to me. Because you see frankly ABSURDLY low numbers here, they are like 5 packs over count, and are afk for multiple minutes, and still nearly upgrade it if they just actually interrupt on that last pack lol
Wow I feel special, two of my keys on the channel from two different toons lmfao. Looking back at this one is so painful. I had just reinstalled WoW and didn't have any of my WAs installed, no UI just a complete cluster fuck. I had no real idea what I was doing on these pulls. I had done it one time as a mega shortly after its release and never went back.
@heythereguysitsMetro thanks Metro. I have no delusions that I'm nothing more than a filthy casual anymore. It sucks because I use to be a mythic raider during SoO raid but you can't see that in my play anymore
@heythereguysitsMetro I do appreciate the content and you doing thse reviews. Earlier today I was debating on moving away from WoW and going back to FFXIV until War Within comes out but seeing how I've improved from this abhorrent game play to now having all my portals on my shaman kinda stoked a desire to keep pushing even though the frustration of my poor game play at times.
i wish i recorded it but i once had a +2 fall that nearly went overtime because we wiped 4 times on iridikron while I was healing. People were wholesome though, no ragers and they listened when I tried to explain what to do.
Healer and one of the mages now both sitting at over 2.8k score now. Clearly, they're not completely dislodged from reality as this key could indicate. I just can't fathom doing a key like this.
I wonder if blizzard covers interrupts in exiles reach because there are way too many people who do not know they have that ability or when to use it. Interrupting is on the same level of not standing in swirls lol. And yea ive mentioned this to people before, but the map for this dungeon is actually useless.
Tbf I don't think WoW has ever thought the players how to play, just look at vanilla and the maze that is Wailing Caverns, a very early dungeon. The closest I can think of is MoP's proving grounds. Imo the solution is using the follower dungeon system to design playable tutorials with an npc constantly explaining the mechanics and route. For example in Rise you could have a scripted fight with a Magus mob with a corroding volley going off and hits everyone for 90% then the npc says the cast must be interrupted, etc. Also guiding arrows based on common routes so people don't get lost.
Would it be crazy for blizzard to require people to do at least Heroic versions of all the dungeons before they can even get a mythic key? Like a less extreme version of an attunement just so that people know kind of at least the right direction to go? Or maybe just have quest rewards that are worthwhile to do the dungeons on difficulties before the timer gets involved so that people can actually learn the dungeon at least to the extent of knowing where to go...
3:46 I think this is a really important thing to note. I don’t think you can actually learn M+ dungeons through playing. I will read up on the mobs and bosses and watch you run the dungeon before I attempt keys. I think after you have a foundation you can learn micro adjustments to optimize while playing, but initially going in it’s hard to know what’s going on if you don’t research outside of the game.
@@heythereguysitsMetroIt's a unique issue with Rise. I noticed it myself this season. As you know I replace the standard m+ ui with a WA. Well the WA I had been using was called "m+ timer season 1 dragonflight" or some such. Worked perfectly well in season 2 with no issues but once you set foot in rise it shows the bosses from fall. I think it takes some kind of code from what rooms are in the dungeon to determine what bosses to list and as you noticed you go through all the same rooms in Rise as you do in fall. I recently replaced it with a season 3 version and it works just fine now. But it seems like ti's a common issue with m+ timer replacement WAs from before s3.
Low keys are crazy. Didn't end up recording this but Friend wanted to try retail again and had a boosted rogue ~420 ilvl and I'm on my main 487 monk figuring out just pound out an 11 mand slowly get him so decent gear. Invite a healer and 2 other dps all around 440-450 ilvl and the healer flips out about not carrying a 445 ret and leaves. I'm expecting to essentially solo majority of the key either way and fill with some random healer and easily time it lol
Ya that pseudo-elitism is what makes keys so hard. People worried about carrying others on an 11 really just speaks volumes about the perceived skill difference between actual good players and those who wish they were.
I think this is completely understandable if it's a group of all new people trying to start getting into M+ and have no idea what is going on or where to go. My take on this is that they maybe have some have friends who does m+ regularly but maybe was busy with something so they couldn't join, but encouraged them to try out M+ anyway and told them to download addons like MDT etc.
Having low DPS is usully combination of not understanding your rotation and not knowing your keybinds well. I'm a pretty casual player, i main a outlaw rogue so i decided to try a fury warrior since it's a high apm spec as a well. My thoughts were "how can my dps be this low when i'm pressing this many buttons". So something on my rotation was very wrong.
The funny thing is if this was a normal dungeon on a linear path they would of def timed it lol. I run fall and rise on +20s and I STILL get confused as hell on where to go lmao. Blizzard needs to do away with these types of dungeons. Even pulling up the map you still have no clue where you are and where to actually go. Blizzard needs to do a better job on that without a doubt. You can tell these players were either new or at least new to running that dungeon, which is fine, but clearly they had no clue on where to go. Also I am still an advocate on blizzard adding checkpoints after every dungeon boss kill incase you die or the group wipes. Half the time you release and you spawn at the start of the dungeon. Very annoying.
These people are new players to the game for sure. The concept of % needed for M+ to be completed, pack value, interupts, soaking, and stuff we all know and do on daily basis are unknown for new players and there is nothing in the game to show you these concepts. There is no Forbidden Reach for max level characters so they are supposed to learn with practice and failing. Actualy when i am watching this i am pretty sure they do not leave cuz they dont know that there is a timer. 🤣🤣 We play this game for decades and most guys who do still cant complete basic things like using stops on packs, interrupting important casts and stuff like that what do you expect from newcomer. 🤣🤣 I am impressed that this guy the tank has Inferno Armoredon - Keystone Master S2 mount (2k rio). Its ok for these guys to play like that but its not ok for a guy who plays the game for 15 years to not be able to perform good enough to complete +25.
The add on is MiksScrolling or something like that. Its more of a Era/Classic add on IMO but I do really like it. Since retail has a lot going on maybe not so much lol
Rise is the worst dungeon to start your Mythic+ learning experience, regardless of key level. Actually, it's the worst dungeon in WoW, period. The amount of one-off mechanics in this place is absolutely staggering. Whoever designed this at blizzard is going on the slow bbq in game design hell.
The only real issue with the dungeon is it's layout and confusing map. No clue what you mean by "one off mechanics" but obviously you see here all mechanics just do nothing to anyone so that is not in play here. It's only real issue on higher keys has been it's unforgiving layout and tough timer. If it was tuned like fall people would have a totally different opinion of it.
@@heythereguysitsMetro The issue is that for players who have never played through Rise and/or are new to M+ the amount of mechanics with no indication of how they work or what is required of the group to progress is remarkably hight. You need to kill 3 mini-bosses to spawn the first main one. This will probably happened during the normal course of play, but still isn't a particularly common mechanic, especially this season. Then there's the maze after which you need to click the portal - also, not indicated in any way. Then there's the sand and portals. And on top of that bosses that have mechanics that aren't particularly clear - the mirror images and adds on Morchie, the NPCs during the next boss fight, the orbs on the last boss. Not to mention trash that puts up working portals. I don't think there's any dungeon in the game with this volume of mechanics. You make a good point that on +2 the mechanics barely do any damage, but are still confusing players.
I'm not at all surprised that this was in dawn of the infinites. SUCH a confusing dungeon, yeah by now it's all kind of just disseminated more or less. (Unless you're running +2 keys it seems.) But DOTI is just like probably the most counter-intuitive dungeon design I've seen.
Honestly speaking this reminds me of the old days of WoW 5 players doing a dungeon none of them know where to go no raging, no blasting someone cause they're doing shit dps, everyone just going into a dungeon no matter if they time the key or not they're just learning everything so they can do better next time. This is what running dungeons should feel like instead of a dweeb raging at someone doing a mistake like CALM DOWN mary sue not everyone is perfect cause hell even people who do M+ 20's make simple mistakes and I've s een it happen. On another note I'm actually glad Dorki does guides on tank pathing cause I can't follow that addon or weakaura for pathing it confuses the hell out of me lol.
It certainly is an old school feel. Rare to see 5 calm people all struggling and trying to solve the problem together. Not sure I'll ever see this again honestly.
My Freshly Dinged 70 Paladin and Rogue both got dragged through 6+ keys when they had nothing but leveling blues and greens and still output 45k DPS. 15k is "I have no idea what I'm doing" levels of DPS in modern Dragonflight. I could maybe - *maybe* - understand if this was a +2 from Season 1 and everyone was ilvl 388 or something, but if this run was at all recent then... yeesh. 14:45 Chromie da real MVP. As far as them getting lost and running in circles - in all honestly, that didn't waste much more than than wiping on Morchie and running back would have. It was painful to watch and pure cringe, but they didn't lose all that much time all things considered. The moral of the story, I think, is that if you don't know the dungeon, maybe try it on Mythic 0 a few times first before risking someone's key? Ahh, who am I kidding, this is WoW, no one is considerate of other people's time and effort.
Well to be fair the mage doing 15k is the keyholder haha No one has any idea what they are doing here, and the dungeon on a zero is actually very different than on M+. Multiple bosses have different mechanics too. But ya, agreed with the rest.
I failed a +2 one time, alllllll the way back in legion. Lower Kara. Was absolutely ridiculous, and I swore off healing for a while after that lol. Can't carry as a healer EDIT: after finishing this video, i now see why this key was failed. Even with this group, i think any other +2 dungeon would have been in time. I remember my first Rise--i was in voice with people who knew what they were doing and still was so confused
Kop had a similar thing going on for a while. I think its legit just a form of blindness. He is overloaded with information so much that his brain totally ignores the most superfluous of it all.
@@heythereguysitsMetro But to mention on the more important part of the video, I feel like Blizzard's indication on where you have to go and what you have to do isn't very user friendly, especially in the new mega dungeon, the art when you open the map while being quite nice is completely unnecessary, when I open my map I actually want to know where I am and where I plan on going.
- no interrupts on dangerous spells, but NOTHING in the game teaches what interrupt is, and that some interruptable spells can be bait - absolutely chaotic pathing, but NOTHING in the game teaches about trash count, and there is no default, free and build in tools for a tank to design and share their pull plan, much less how to traverse a dungeon... and that's after DECADES of completely linear dungeons where you literally couldn't go any other way - boss mechanics ignored, but NOTHING in the game teaches how to approach and handle them - most UI packages don't actually emphasize important stuff, like watching interrupts, highlighting dangerous spells, using defensives, assuming the user already knows to do that I'd be quite interested though to see your comments if you played and recoreded a follower dungeon. That's probably one of the most significant additions that CAN be "educational aids", even though it'd still need stuff like NPCs emoting what they are actually doing for people to take notice.
Before the announcement this week, I was sure follower dungeons would be the solution to all this. It still can be honestly. But I would MUCH rather people learn through failure and having to correct their mistakes. With a harder baseline of starting out, that will ensure that, so while the game doesn't directly use english language to instruct you how to succeed, it doesn't need to. Just make people fail, and they will figure out the rest.
If I played with this UI I think I would automatically drop 1.5k rio 😂 props the group for finishing it. Hopefully they gained some knowledge from the run
It’s crazy to think your doing that dps after the multiple heavy nerfs and the bug fix that dropped their pet damage by an additional 25%. I always felt like it was impossible to beat a bum Hunter in dps at the start of season 3
I was 100% more toxic, out loud, by myself, than anyone in this key was while I was watching this...maybe I'm the problem. 😂 Also, its a very small thing, and means nothing overall, but his M+ Addon or WA was borked, and the bosses were all jumbled. Tyr, yes, Morchie, yes, Blight of Gala-...wait, hold on a sec, Iridikron...huh? It bothered me almost as much as the rest of the UI. And I get it, they're personal, and to each their own, but, man...
The way I look at it, "toxic" means directly infringing on some one else, not just talking to yourself. But ya, some weird stuff doing on there with the UI.
I get that most of these are probably new players so I don`t like to make negative comments, but for the tank to barely ever use Avengers shield is just bizzare, for saying its the main damage and agro generating ability, and at this level will likely be the main "heal" assuming he has the Bulwark talent
Can you believe today I was doing levelling dungeons with my level 68 tank and the leader kicked 3 players in the entire run because of low DPS 😅😅 I tried to pick no when the kick message popped up but idk why the others pressed yes. Cmon it’s a levelling dungeon, we don’t expect as the same damage as a M+ 😅 The amount of toxicity in the game is on the roof nowadays.
Ya that's actually very common sadly. The easier the content the more elitist people are, I find. Easier to think you are above average when the content is soloable.
Had they not spent a bit of their time lost and clearing out the sand room, they would have upgraded at least 1. Everyone has been lost in the sauce like them at some point lol. Heck ive only been playing again for around 3 months after quitting for 6 years. Boosted my toons and hopped in knowing nothing about DF. Before I even touched mythic i did all the dungeons on hero a few times while looking at the adventure guide. Picked one i was comfortable with starting at 0 and went up from there. There are enough things for healer/dps to learn it, I think it's just a little harder for new tanks though. Which route to take/trash to pull/interrupting/where and how to position boss and all that. But I can't laugh at them because they were me a few months back lol, but props to them for finishing it at least.
I did this myself, but how ppl manage to play with 1 mill numbers constnatly on your screen I dont get anymore. too much clutter and unecesary noise and info. I rather have a good view on my screen and see whats happening than clutter which blocks something important that might happen in the environment.
Personally i have floating combat text completely turned off since it just clutters up my screen with non essential information. This guy was like “hold my beer.”😂
i failed a plus 2 GF the other day, brought the 400 hunter for a break from healing, i dont enjoy this new afflicted thing, only seen it yesterday. let ppl 400-410 join because its a 2 so who cares and its usually always alts. tank overpulled, took mental damage, healer was like 390 so couldnt heal. turned into spawn camping on the first pull. im talking both sides and the ramp patrol in one, then the boss killed us to the small circle? just read up on this, only ran the new place 4 times and its never actually been on me to soak it. then the tank pulled while we werent back. then ppl died to the projectiles somehow. then ppl just left, which i dont blame them for, it was mental i was just a passenger in my own key from 10 seconds in been lead by what could only be called a leeroy tank
I feel like these are new players which hurts them right at the start, and also Blizzard does not guide or help in any way in terms of what you're supposed to do in dungeons. Actually surprised they had as few deaths as they did.
Ya well in this case its hard to even say its not Blizzard's fault. They have bosses and areas not even featured in this dungeon on the map!? That has got to confuse sooo many people.
On a side note, I have played tank and healer since wrath, I tried playing DPS, but the criticism and toxicity of being on the meters put me off of playing dps, and I much prefer playing a reactionary role so if I were to try playing a dps class I'm sure I'd probably be doing 10k on a fresh character.
This was painful to watch. To be fair the Map for this dungeon is really shit. Also his m+ addon showing Tyr and Morchie but then blight of Galakrond and Iridikron is really confusing.
i know its late and tbh i havnt played dragonflight, i dont know this dungeon, i was confused as hell, this dungeon was so strange if your looking at it the first time idk maybe there is something i dont know i am willing to admit that ez but, I was confused as hell at that dungeon and without some outside info i would have NO idea where to go or what to do at certain points so idk, i think these guys deserve a lil lee way even if it is a +2 haha hee i dont mind a lil laugh but i can DEF see why they are confused as hell
Oh ya, pretty sure we say that in the video, can't remember. Its a confusing layout, especially because the map shows the entire mega-dungeon instead of just the dungeon you are in at the time.
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What's wild about this, is if you actually look at this gauntlet run it legit looks like he's baiting the balls and going the other way. Made it through first try and knew he could channel the rift.... so to make it through that part completely fine and then walk around in a circle for so long in the sand room is bananas.
Like he watched a vid how to run the maze and then just didn't watch the rest of the route lol
Ya man this is the craziest part of it all. Legit PRO PLAYS in the maze, then can't figure out how to get to the last boss lol
That was a wholesome run... gives me alot of positive vibes... it seriously looked like a fun adventure they went on
Ya no one was ever upset either. Really good to see. I wish I could enjoy the game at that level again.
I amazed how many different WA and addons this guy has.
He clearly invested time into his UI and somehow ended up with this amalgamation which could be considered a blindfold light. Amazing.
On completing the dungeon, they only completed the dungeon because the tank is playing paladin and Prot pala happens to auto-kick. Without that they would still be fighting the Marauders today.
Haha you might be right tbh
I know I should've recorded but anyway
Did a +5 Fall on my fresh lvl 70 428 ilvl druid (balance) that I also have no previous experience with in other expansions.
Joined 3 paladins (2 of them were prot, found that out mid key..) and a sham healer, an absolute enigma of a player.
All waited for the sham for like 5 to 10 minutes till he typed: "Im over the mountain now" meaning he had no dragonflying or dragonflying mounts and was ground mount walking to the dungeon. (this still gives me tons of questions.) he "must've missed the quest for flying" he said.. we summoned him tho.
We wiped on every boss except for the second one and our majestic shaman was the first to die every time, we had 2 prot pally's and they could solo it.
We then failed to place circle on chromie on final boss for 4 or 5 wipes (they didnt soak after I had the circle) both the prot paladins then left. a +5, 10 min over time and still disbanding it in the end, with me having done 52% of overall dungeon damage at 59k dps.
As long as you know haha
@@heythereguysitsMetro My pc is just outdated and recording in the background causes a tiny bit of lag/framerate drops wich holds me back for now, 99% of the runs wouldnt be interesting or worth recording.
But yeah, this wouldve been one 🙄
Similar story here. My mate dinged a priest, so I wanted to give him a quick boost. He got a key, +2 Rise. Brought my 480 bear. Still took proper comp of random n00bs. I'm >3k on main, and >2.8k on best tank, so I knew what I was doing... issue was, pugs knew BETTER! They kept killing themselves over and over, and berating me, the top source of healing AND damage and sole source of interrupts not counting my buddy. By last boss, 2 of the geniuses who couldn't just follow the tank left, so we abandoned the key, reset, gotten a different +2 and went with 2 more guildies. 4-manning proved easier than putting up with clueless, selfindulged pugs...
there is a vast number of players who play like 4-6 hours over the whole weekend (fr+sat+sun) and thats it.
if every mythic-run was magically saved as replay by blizz, you would see countless runs like this.
thousands of players take weeks/months to even reach mythic-entry. questing, dabbling in professions wandering the open world etc. ya know casuals.
most not even using a single addon.
it could be argued that with the right mindset a key like that was a lot of fun for everyone involved who plays the game without sweating profusely.
I am aware of all this.
This was me back in TBC, althought he knew his talents and role at least. Throughout vanilla, I thought dungeons were essentially like the arcade game, Gauntlet. You just went in there and did your best, with some characters being good at some things and others being good at others. I had no idea that there were "roles" in the game in dungeon parties. I remember just standing there the first time I was in Mana Tombs and, being a Prot Warr, one guy said, "Alright, go up and tank it" and I said, "What do you mean?"
I must have been in ZF, Mara, BRD etc and no one ever said anything to me. Looking back, I guess they just figured it would take too long to explain things and we just winged it. I think I did figure out I on my own eventually that I could survive better than others, so I was more in the mix of things (melee) knowing I could take it, but it wasn't by design. We always did pretty good as I remember keeping that little green guy at the bottom of the ZF stairs fight alive, for example, so he could blow up the door with his dynamite and I had the mallet to bang the gong at the end LOL. What an experience.
Game was certainly very different back then. Good memories though!
@@heythereguysitsMetro Indeed...I was specc'd all wrong too. I was essentially a dps warr with a shield until someone in our nightly grp told me in Black Morass. Our healer was delighted how "good" I was afterwards. Not sure how that arcane mage (his name was Hamil) saw my talents as wowhead wasn't around...just thotbot, but he sure made our lives easier as a group.
i fucking love these videos so much, the peoplewatching and observations you make are incredible especially as a 13 year WoW vet myself, reminds me of my Legion days when I was a full sweat commenting on shitty pugs in discord, I was toxic then, reformed now :)
Glad you enjoy them as much as I do!
Emotional support chromie is the real mvp here.
Legit carried them at the end.
Wow, I never knew there was someone else out there who could get so lost so easily. Super props to these guys for finishing it and at least learning the geography of the place so next time they can focus on mechanics (hopefully).
It's funny, though. LAst season when I was messing around on my horde monk just for the giggles (and because I loved your evoker streams so much) I did notice that there was VERY little toxicity (if any) in liek 2s-9s. And several times people typed in stuff like "never been here before" "no idea how to do this place" and other group members would explain things. Seemed very wholesome, so I am not shocked that there is no toxicity, since presumably all 5 players were new to the instance (and it is for real the most confusing dungeon ever made) I just hope they all took somethign from the run and used it to propel themselves to be better.
Speaking of Evoker streams, gonna put in my request right now. The WoW community NEEDS you and Harry doing keys together. It would be the cure for what ails a community besieged by toxicity and weary for some true fun and funny times. Harry, Metro, Bruvs, make it happen captains!
Hope we can! Idk what he plans on doing in terms of leveling though
@@heythereguysitsMetroWell, if he buys TWW he will get a free boost to 70 so he could step right in and be on the run in no time. 😉 I do wonder, though, if he has been away long enough for you to RaF him too. Just a thought.
@@kopitarrules Ya I don't know. He said he has the boost, but actually has a Death Knight on Dalaran. We raided together for a few weeks in Sepulcher of the First Ones, if you remember.
I think he wants to just level that instead of boost, but who knows.
All that floating combat text is straight out of original WoTLK era
MikScrollingBattleText
Haha ya I remember people were fascinated with it back then. Was useless then too though imo.
@@heythereguysitsMetro It's very good in vanilla-wrath depending on class. It's just a package of info that you can customize as you want. Incoming heals/dmg is important, it shows procs, buffs, debuffs, cooldowns coming up, incoming resources and more.
But the AMOUNT of numbers he is getting with this addon in retail is ridiculous! It doesn't look anything like that on an version of wow haha
That interrupt tracker + the window thingy (or whatever it is) overlapping was giving me huge OCD man. I usually don't judge a UI because it's personal preference but that UI surely can't be optimal in high keys.
Also for the soak on Tyr it just does increased damage for each person missing, which is why you sometimes solo soak it as tank, with immunity of course on very high keys if nobody got defensives up.
Ya, I think its simply a case of downloading some one else's UI and just having a bunch of stuff clashing but having no real knowledge of how to fix the individual clashes.
This is why I just made my own UI. Far easier to start from nothing and build what you actually need.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Yea 100%. Although i have chosen to take several peoples UI and then make my own that way, it took a while but i like how it turned out in the end
you have to duo tank it with someone else's immunity because if it doesnt hit 2 people it buffs the boss. Ice block, dispersion, etc.
It's clearly their UI giving the entire group a -75% damage debuff.
It legit may be.
Its like a fever dream
Seriously lol, that UI is diabolical. How does anyone think that’s better than the default UI
I had fun experience when these dungeons were first introduced (so before m+, mega dungeon). Literally nobody knew what to do but we kept going and just exploring the tactics ourselves. Good ol times
Ya no doubt. The first days of any content is pure learning.
That thumbnail combined with the video title made me laugh for real xD
So glad to hear that!
In season 2, my dad tried to do mythic plus for the first time and couldn’t get past key level 10 because even though he was overgeared for the level, he did like 20-30k overall even after I gave him tips and he watched videos on how to improve in keys. He just was too slow at pressing his buttons. He played demo warlock since vanilla
Too slow meaning he would just go multiple globals without pressing anything at all?
I cant believe this happened, I just cant...they really wanted that +2 finished
I coudnt stop laughing when Chromie showed up and you were hyping Chromie for helping them 😂😂
Legit saved the key I feel like.
You can buy 441 bind on account boxes for 350 flight stones each from the m+ npc and send them to alts. They give random pieces of gear from the current m+ season. Thats for sure the best way to start gearing a fresh 70. I do that, then buy 418-421 gear to fill out the rest so i can get in raid finder and start running keys.
I think its why im seeing a lot of 470 or higher players running like +6s
Not sure of the leap to 470 in a 6 but you are right about the rest for sure. It's a nice feature but sadly flightstones are way too limited to actually deck out a character fully.
The thumbnail already got me dying laughing 😂 I know this is gonna be good
It certainly is good.
I’ve gotten so confused in this on on heroic. There’s a lot about this dungeon I hadn’t figured out until watching this, like you don’t have to clear all of the sand in the one room.
I need to start watching videos on dungeons before attempting them because I’m just slowing things down for others
haha ya certainly do not have to clear the sand. You can start by leafing through the spreadsheet and filtering by dungeon etc and see whatever you feel like you might not know yet!
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uaDILs0xd4Hk08S7lR27jdMIzs3raMhOqTzFCv_ScsU/edit#gid=1869688903
Any questions, just ask!
The only 2 I failed the timer on was me and my guildmates screwing around. We took 4 people. The tank had never tanked. The healer had never healed. I chose Unholy DK, which I knew nothing about. Our other dps was a mildly competent 12/13 M+ shadow priest. We completely bombed a +2 DHT and it was super fun, would recommend to anyone (if you get along with your friends.)
haha ya you legit have to TRY to fail these, usually.
Not gonna lie, I can understand the confusion. Resubbed a month ago, and I spammed DoTi Rise/Fall runs to learn everything for higher keys. My first few runs were definitely horrific haha
Its legit a very confusing dungeon for sure. I don't that its THIS confusing though to be fair.
im like super friendly in these baby keys 😂 i talk to the players and offer them advice and they most of the time they listen.
this key range used to be so toxic because the valor farmers just want to spam these keys for a fast clear instead of waiting for people to learn the dungeon 😂
Ah ya, probably way better without all that huh
Yeah, Rise is interesting if you aren't familiar with it. It's simple once you understand it, but you have to figure it out or have it explained to you prior. When the season started, we would clear all 3 portals, go into left and kill Battlefield, go back, go right and kill Morchie, then go back again and go middle to last boss. And to make it more confusing, half of the dungeon is Fall anyways. The gauntlet is where you fought Chronikar, the sand area is where you fought Manifested Timeways and the middle portal leads to the same area where you fight the last bosses.
Ya, very confusing how the whole dungeon basically gets used twice.
Its an interesting and cool dungeon in a lot of ways but super bad to learn at first
Aw..the poor kid got seriously confused. Bless them.
Ya, hurts to watch at times, but respect for sticking it out.
Great video, thanks for sharing Metro!
Thanks, glad to see you.
When a game is designed around addons, this is the outcome.
It's only natural, that people would have so much trouble when not using it.
I love WoW, love playing it. But yeah, its difficulty sometimes, not all the time, can be
rather questionable.
lol. It does make for some really really amusing moments tho.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make with addons here. What addon are you expecting these guys to have in order to help them not get lost like that?
The In game Map is what is confusing them lol
@@heythereguysitsMetro haha. Often without deadly boss mods, or others it leads to allot of people not knowing about the totems, and other complex mechahics.
And yes the in game map is something we've still yet to fully figure out rofl.
@@wowzer4919 Nothing really to do with DBM in here honestly. Maybe the frontal that hits the shaman, but that's about it.
@@heythereguysitsMetro It tells tanks when they're about to get one shot by razan, tells people to run and hide. it gives allot of pretty important and helpful information to new players.
it helps with the totems too. We run a pretty big guild clearing mythics, and run +28 keys. We help allot of people just starting, and DBM is a wonderful aid in that department, instantly takes someone from dying constantly to surviving.
We have allot of packs linked for DBM as well which add much more information than stock.
@@wowzer4919 My guild uses DBM for it as well. We likely download the same templates lol.
It legit tells news players what to do, and when to attack totems ect. Also lets you know
if he's invulnerable, and what to do.
Maybe he isn't aware of this? Either way yeah they need to stop making mechanics that require perfection from every person to proceed.
Thing is it’s actually a perfect storm that 5 people never being in or k owing the dungeon and not be toxic and just delete and only have 9 deaths lol.
It literally is. I don't expect to ever see a key like this again.
i depleted a +3 in late SL. no toxicity, no arguing, nothing crazy even happened. we just didnt do enough damage lol
That's so crazy to me. Because you see frankly ABSURDLY low numbers here, they are like 5 packs over count, and are afk for multiple minutes, and still nearly upgrade it if they just actually interrupt on that last pack lol
Wow I feel special, two of my keys on the channel from two different toons lmfao. Looking back at this one is so painful. I had just reinstalled WoW and didn't have any of my WAs installed, no UI just a complete cluster fuck. I had no real idea what I was doing on these pulls. I had done it one time as a mega shortly after its release and never went back.
Ya live and ya learn man. Huge respect for taking it for what it is and improving from there.
@heythereguysitsMetro thanks Metro. I have no delusions that I'm nothing more than a filthy casual anymore. It sucks because I use to be a mythic raider during SoO raid but you can't see that in my play anymore
@@Mongo11b Hmm well I wouldn't worry about it. If you keep recording them, I'm happy to keep doing videos on this stuff to help you improve!
@heythereguysitsMetro I do appreciate the content and you doing thse reviews. Earlier today I was debating on moving away from WoW and going back to FFXIV until War Within comes out but seeing how I've improved from this abhorrent game play to now having all my portals on my shaman kinda stoked a desire to keep pushing even though the frustration of my poor game play at times.
@@Mongo11b That's awesome man. Again, any way I can help, just say the word!
i wish i recorded it but i once had a +2 fall that nearly went overtime because we wiped 4 times on iridikron while I was healing. People were wholesome though, no ragers and they listened when I tried to explain what to do.
Glad to hear that at least. 4 wipes though, that's wild.
Healer and one of the mages now both sitting at over 2.8k score now. Clearly, they're not completely dislodged from reality as this key could indicate. I just can't fathom doing a key like this.
That really just shows how easy keys are haha
I wonder if blizzard covers interrupts in exiles reach because there are way too many people who do not know they have that ability or when to use it. Interrupting is on the same level of not standing in swirls lol.
And yea ive mentioned this to people before, but the map for this dungeon is actually useless.
Naw most classes don't even have an interrupt until they get it via a talent. Much later than you'd have in exiles reach.
Tbf I don't think WoW has ever thought the players how to play, just look at vanilla and the maze that is Wailing Caverns, a very early dungeon. The closest I can think of is MoP's proving grounds.
Imo the solution is using the follower dungeon system to design playable tutorials with an npc constantly explaining the mechanics and route. For example in Rise you could have a scripted fight with a Magus mob with a corroding volley going off and hits everyone for 90% then the npc says the cast must be interrupted, etc. Also guiding arrows based on common routes so people don't get lost.
Just referring to that despite ALL these issues, they still nearly succeeded in upgrading it.
If no one soaks the 1st boss mechanic then he gets a 30% damage buff. I don't believe it stacks but i might be wrong.
Gotcha. Doesn't seem to have any real impact on this key either way.
That was great to watch, you don't even realise these people excist.
But then again probably 80% of all keys done are like this and at this level.
Ya its probably not even that uncommon.
At least they got one thing right ... follow the tank
Ya legit. And be respectful to each other.
Would it be crazy for blizzard to require people to do at least Heroic versions of all the dungeons before they can even get a mythic key? Like a less extreme version of an attunement just so that people know kind of at least the right direction to go? Or maybe just have quest rewards that are worthwhile to do the dungeons on difficulties before the timer gets involved so that people can actually learn the dungeon at least to the extent of knowing where to go...
Sadly heroic wont teach anyone anything about Mythic+. They are too different, and don't even feature all the same mechanics.
3:46 I think this is a really important thing to note. I don’t think you can actually learn M+ dungeons through playing. I will read up on the mobs and bosses and watch you run the dungeon before I attempt keys. I think after you have a foundation you can learn micro adjustments to optimize while playing, but initially going in it’s hard to know what’s going on if you don’t research outside of the game.
Pretty sad that that's the case tbh. But you might be right. If you know NOTHING, the game will just totally overwhelm you.
with the portal room the rift mage are the ones spawning the adds. If you kill all the rift mage you wont have anymore new adds spawn
Ah that sounds so obvious haha. Thanks for letting me know
The m+ frame also shows wrong bosses in his UI for some reason.
Woah ya totally didn't notice that before. That's very weird.
@@heythereguysitsMetroIt's a unique issue with Rise. I noticed it myself this season. As you know I replace the standard m+ ui with a WA. Well the WA I had been using was called "m+ timer season 1 dragonflight" or some such. Worked perfectly well in season 2 with no issues but once you set foot in rise it shows the bosses from fall. I think it takes some kind of code from what rooms are in the dungeon to determine what bosses to list and as you noticed you go through all the same rooms in Rise as you do in fall. I recently replaced it with a season 3 version and it works just fine now. But it seems like ti's a common issue with m+ timer replacement WAs from before s3.
Low keys are crazy. Didn't end up recording this but
Friend wanted to try retail again and had a boosted rogue ~420 ilvl and I'm on my main 487 monk figuring out just pound out an 11 mand slowly get him so decent gear. Invite a healer and 2 other dps all around 440-450 ilvl and the healer flips out about not carrying a 445 ret and leaves. I'm expecting to essentially solo majority of the key either way and fill with some random healer and easily time it lol
Ya that pseudo-elitism is what makes keys so hard. People worried about carrying others on an 11 really just speaks volumes about the perceived skill difference between actual good players and those who wish they were.
in a way, this was wholesome.
It really is, especially now knowing the guy is upgrading 20s.
@@heythereguysitsMetro prolly a viewer of yours, not sure if you mentioned that. Keep up the good work broheisen.
@@Z64dollarsign8 Thanks!
I think this is completely understandable if it's a group of all new people trying to start getting into M+ and have no idea what is going on or where to go.
My take on this is that they maybe have some have friends who does m+ regularly but maybe was busy with something so they couldn't join, but encouraged them to try out M+ anyway and told them to download addons like MDT etc.
It's understandable for sure. But still to not upgrade a 2 is above and beyond.
Lol yeah for sure! Kinda hilarious tbh :) @@heythereguysitsMetro
Having low DPS is usully combination of not understanding your rotation and not knowing your keybinds well.
I'm a pretty casual player, i main a outlaw rogue so i decided to try a fury warrior since it's a high apm spec as a well. My thoughts were "how can my dps be this low when i'm pressing this many buttons". So something on my rotation was very wrong.
I think its mostly just not using a spell every possible GCD too.
The funny thing is if this was a normal dungeon on a linear path they would of def timed it lol. I run fall and rise on +20s and I STILL get confused as hell on where to go lmao. Blizzard needs to do away with these types of dungeons. Even pulling up the map you still have no clue where you are and where to actually go. Blizzard needs to do a better job on that without a doubt. You can tell these players were either new or at least new to running that dungeon, which is fine, but clearly they had no clue on where to go.
Also I am still an advocate on blizzard adding checkpoints after every dungeon boss kill incase you die or the group wipes. Half the time you release and you spawn at the start of the dungeon. Very annoying.
yup totally agreed
These people are new players to the game for sure. The concept of % needed for M+ to be completed, pack value, interupts, soaking, and stuff we all know and do on daily basis are unknown for new players and there is nothing in the game to show you these concepts. There is no Forbidden Reach for max level characters so they are supposed to learn with practice and failing. Actualy when i am watching this i am pretty sure they do not leave cuz they dont know that there is a timer. 🤣🤣
We play this game for decades and most guys who do still cant complete basic things like using stops on packs, interrupting important casts and stuff like that what do you expect from newcomer. 🤣🤣
I am impressed that this guy the tank has Inferno Armoredon - Keystone Master S2 mount (2k rio).
Its ok for these guys to play like that but its not ok for a guy who plays the game for 15 years to not be able to perform good enough to complete +25.
Good point about the concept of count etc.
resto shaman doing more dps than people in 20+ really hit hard for me
Ya and that's legit too. Kop just had a guy who did less than 2 million overall in a 20.
Crazy stuff.
The add on is MiksScrolling or something like that. Its more of a Era/Classic add on IMO but I do really like it. Since retail has a lot going on maybe not so much lol
Ya it's oldshool for sure.
Rise is the worst dungeon to start your Mythic+ learning experience, regardless of key level. Actually, it's the worst dungeon in WoW, period. The amount of one-off mechanics in this place is absolutely staggering. Whoever designed this at blizzard is going on the slow bbq in game design hell.
The only real issue with the dungeon is it's layout and confusing map.
No clue what you mean by "one off mechanics" but obviously you see here all mechanics just do nothing to anyone so that is not in play here.
It's only real issue on higher keys has been it's unforgiving layout and tough timer.
If it was tuned like fall people would have a totally different opinion of it.
@@heythereguysitsMetro The issue is that for players who have never played through Rise and/or are new to M+ the amount of mechanics with no indication of how they work or what is required of the group to progress is remarkably hight.
You need to kill 3 mini-bosses to spawn the first main one. This will probably happened during the normal course of play, but still isn't a particularly common mechanic, especially this season. Then there's the maze after which you need to click the portal - also, not indicated in any way. Then there's the sand and portals. And on top of that bosses that have mechanics that aren't particularly clear - the mirror images and adds on Morchie, the NPCs during the next boss fight, the orbs on the last boss. Not to mention trash that puts up working portals.
I don't think there's any dungeon in the game with this volume of mechanics. You make a good point that on +2 the mechanics barely do any damage, but are still confusing players.
Unfortunately my runs so far have been quite good so I can’t find any fail groups :(
Keep recording. They are out there haha
I'm not at all surprised that this was in dawn of the infinites. SUCH a confusing dungeon, yeah by now it's all kind of just disseminated more or less. (Unless you're running +2 keys it seems.) But DOTI is just like probably the most counter-intuitive dungeon design I've seen.
It really is the most confusing dungeon ever.
Laughing already, only saw the title. lets go
Its amazing!
Honestly speaking this reminds me of the old days of WoW 5 players doing a dungeon none of them know where to go no raging, no blasting someone cause they're doing shit dps, everyone just going into a dungeon no matter if they time the key or not they're just learning everything so they can do better next time. This is what running dungeons should feel like instead of a dweeb raging at someone doing a mistake like CALM DOWN mary sue not everyone is perfect cause hell even people who do M+ 20's make simple mistakes and I've s een it happen.
On another note I'm actually glad Dorki does guides on tank pathing cause I can't follow that addon or weakaura for pathing it confuses the hell out of me lol.
It certainly is an old school feel. Rare to see 5 calm people all struggling and trying to solve the problem together. Not sure I'll ever see this again honestly.
My Freshly Dinged 70 Paladin and Rogue both got dragged through 6+ keys when they had nothing but leveling blues and greens and still output 45k DPS. 15k is "I have no idea what I'm doing" levels of DPS in modern Dragonflight. I could maybe - *maybe* - understand if this was a +2 from Season 1 and everyone was ilvl 388 or something, but if this run was at all recent then... yeesh.
14:45 Chromie da real MVP.
As far as them getting lost and running in circles - in all honestly, that didn't waste much more than than wiping on Morchie and running back would have. It was painful to watch and pure cringe, but they didn't lose all that much time all things considered.
The moral of the story, I think, is that if you don't know the dungeon, maybe try it on Mythic 0 a few times first before risking someone's key? Ahh, who am I kidding, this is WoW, no one is considerate of other people's time and effort.
Well to be fair the mage doing 15k is the keyholder haha
No one has any idea what they are doing here, and the dungeon on a zero is actually very different than on M+.
Multiple bosses have different mechanics too.
But ya, agreed with the rest.
I failed a +2 one time, alllllll the way back in legion. Lower Kara. Was absolutely ridiculous, and I swore off healing for a while after that lol. Can't carry as a healer
EDIT: after finishing this video, i now see why this key was failed. Even with this group, i think any other +2 dungeon would have been in time. I remember my first Rise--i was in voice with people who knew what they were doing and still was so confused
Ya, any dungeon that you can't get totally lost in they upgrade easily even with the DPS.
Just the numbers on screen are giving me a headache, how do you play like this? :D
Kop had a similar thing going on for a while. I think its legit just a form of blindness. He is overloaded with information so much that his brain totally ignores the most superfluous of it all.
@@heythereguysitsMetro But to mention on the more important part of the video, I feel like Blizzard's indication on where you have to go and what you have to do isn't very user friendly, especially in the new mega dungeon, the art when you open the map while being quite nice is completely unnecessary, when I open my map I actually want to know where I am and where I plan on going.
- no interrupts on dangerous spells, but NOTHING in the game teaches what interrupt is, and that some interruptable spells can be bait
- absolutely chaotic pathing, but NOTHING in the game teaches about trash count, and there is no default, free and build in tools for a tank to design and share their pull plan, much less how to traverse a dungeon... and that's after DECADES of completely linear dungeons where you literally couldn't go any other way
- boss mechanics ignored, but NOTHING in the game teaches how to approach and handle them
- most UI packages don't actually emphasize important stuff, like watching interrupts, highlighting dangerous spells, using defensives, assuming the user already knows to do that
I'd be quite interested though to see your comments if you played and recoreded a follower dungeon. That's probably one of the most significant additions that CAN be "educational aids", even though it'd still need stuff like NPCs emoting what they are actually doing for people to take notice.
Before the announcement this week, I was sure follower dungeons would be the solution to all this.
It still can be honestly.
But I would MUCH rather people learn through failure and having to correct their mistakes.
With a harder baseline of starting out, that will ensure that, so while the game doesn't directly use english language to instruct you how to succeed, it doesn't need to.
Just make people fail, and they will figure out the rest.
If I played with this UI I think I would automatically drop 1.5k rio 😂 props the group for finishing it. Hopefully they gained some knowledge from the run
Ya no doubt, I'm sure they did.
how can have all those numbers on screen 24/7 and dubbel up with it
Just selective blindness. You see it a TON with uis especially from new players.
Honestly have no idea how a key can get this bad. Wow. Do people do zero research? This is next level lmao
Obviously this is a result of 5 people doing zero research but do you feel like that would be abnormal for people in a 2?
On a fresh, 425 bm hunter i do about 100k st dps (70k without cds) and 200-300k aoe with cds
Ya, I was looking back at season 1 keys and people were doing way more then this even then haha
It’s crazy to think your doing that dps after the multiple heavy nerfs and the bug fix that dropped their pet damage by an additional 25%. I always felt like it was impossible to beat a bum
Hunter in dps at the start of season 3
I was 100% more toxic, out loud, by myself, than anyone in this key was while I was watching this...maybe I'm the problem. 😂
Also, its a very small thing, and means nothing overall, but his M+ Addon or WA was borked, and the bosses were all jumbled. Tyr, yes, Morchie, yes, Blight of Gala-...wait, hold on a sec, Iridikron...huh? It bothered me almost as much as the rest of the UI. And I get it, they're personal, and to each their own, but, man...
The way I look at it, "toxic" means directly infringing on some one else, not just talking to yourself. But ya, some weird stuff doing on there with the UI.
I get that most of these are probably new players so I don`t like to make negative comments, but for the tank to barely ever use Avengers shield is just bizzare, for saying its the main damage and agro generating ability, and at this level will likely be the main "heal" assuming he has the Bulwark talent
Ya I mean you have a guy doing under 20k on most combats lol. Hard to say much positive about any of it.
People in these keys barely know their buttons. I have seen a hunter in like +12 that was just spamming multishot, nothing else.
Can you believe today I was doing levelling dungeons with my level 68 tank and the leader kicked 3 players in the entire run because of low DPS 😅😅 I tried to pick no when the kick message popped up but idk why the others pressed yes. Cmon it’s a levelling dungeon, we don’t expect as the same damage as a M+ 😅
The amount of toxicity in the game is on the roof nowadays.
Ya that's actually very common sadly. The easier the content the more elitist people are, I find. Easier to think you are above average when the content is soloable.
Dear god that UI
Its not good.
I forgot that WoW is not only sweaty +20 and up key pushers
Ya it's funny. If you don't immerse yourself in this world you lose sight of it.
The fact that all 5 people dont know what they’re doing is crazy
Right a full group just running around in circles.
Had they not spent a bit of their time lost and clearing out the sand room, they would have upgraded at least 1. Everyone has been lost in the sauce like them at some point lol. Heck ive only been playing again for around 3 months after quitting for 6 years. Boosted my toons and hopped in knowing nothing about DF. Before I even touched mythic i did all the dungeons on hero a few times while looking at the adventure guide. Picked one i was comfortable with starting at 0 and went up from there. There are enough things for healer/dps to learn it, I think it's just a little harder for new tanks though. Which route to take/trash to pull/interrupting/where and how to position boss and all that. But I can't laugh at them because they were me a few months back lol, but props to them for finishing it at least.
BIG respect for finishing and staying calm for sure.
I did this myself, but how ppl manage to play with 1 mill numbers constnatly on your screen I dont get anymore. too much clutter and unecesary noise and info. I rather have a good view on my screen and see whats happening than clutter which blocks something important that might happen in the environment.
Ya you can't learn anything from those numbers anymore. The game just throws too many at you now.
Note the mount he's riding and still getting lost in the +2
Shows you how easy the game is now really.
@@heythereguysitsMetro it's easy but if they crank up the personal responsibility too much. Like in cata dungeons. People see it too hard of content
I wanna teach this person 😅
haha
This dude has the season 2 mount, meaning he's what, 2k at least last season? That's all 15s essentially.
Probably. He's got all 20s done now this season.
That UI is something 🥴
yes
how does he have the seasonal mount
as in: i want to see how he managed that...that would be great content
@@saenct super easy now. You only need 14s
ohhhkay...usually i get this passively...so i kinda had the wrong numbers in mind...nvm then
Personally i have floating combat text completely turned off since it just clutters up my screen with non essential information. This guy was like “hold my beer.”😂
Ya, no clue how people play with that on the screen.
Pretty sure this is Mik's Scrolling Combat Text in default settings
i failed a plus 2 GF the other day, brought the 400 hunter for a break from healing, i dont enjoy this new afflicted thing, only seen it yesterday. let ppl 400-410 join because its a 2 so who cares and its usually always alts.
tank overpulled, took mental damage, healer was like 390 so couldnt heal. turned into spawn camping on the first pull. im talking both sides and the ramp patrol in one, then the boss killed us to the small circle? just read up on this, only ran the new place 4 times and its never actually been on me to soak it. then the tank pulled while we werent back. then ppl died to the projectiles somehow. then ppl just left, which i dont blame them for, it was mental
i was just a passenger in my own key from 10 seconds in been lead by what could only be called a leeroy tank
That would be the one you wanna record and submit haha
I feel like these are new players which hurts them right at the start, and also Blizzard does not guide or help in any way in terms of what you're supposed to do in dungeons. Actually surprised they had as few deaths as they did.
Ya the whole thing is actually impressive given how wrong it all goes.
This gave me SL S4 kara vibes haha
Oh ya? This is something else entirely honestly but it's still wild.
a wrong comp for a 2? What I see is a tank doing mini MDI pulls.
I mean like no healer or tank invited. Have been submitted those a few times now.
To be fair... the doti map is probably the worst piece of cartography I've ever seen in any mmo.
It's downright misleading tbh.
YESSSS
its a good one!
That what is the problem with blizzard they just dont have tutorial videos for dungeons and newcomers just get confused by them
That's why you do them multiple times at the low levels to learn how to do the dungeon. No just jump straight into 10-15s and ruin it for others
Ya well in this case its hard to even say its not Blizzard's fault. They have bosses and areas not even featured in this dungeon on the map!?
That has got to confuse sooo many people.
@@johnlinks This is a 2 and it was ruined by it.
@@heythereguysitsMetro they were learning. not like they can downgrade it
How does this tank have a KSM mount. People need to stop buying KSM.
KSM is very easy to get. Surely you recognize that right? This guy actually has all portals right now too. This footage was from week 5 of the season.
@heythereguysitsMetro 100% it's just you see thongs like a failed 2 and it makes ya wonder hahha
Fail 0 and receive popup suggesting to try heroic
On a side note, I have played tank and healer since wrath, I tried playing DPS, but the criticism and toxicity of being on the meters put me off of playing dps, and I much prefer playing a reactionary role so if I were to try playing a dps class I'm sure I'd probably be doing 10k on a fresh character.
haha
oh my
ya
I was gonna say its like they are bots but the follower dungeon npcs are better HAHA
ya legit they would be 10x better
that is impressive lol
In a way it actually is!
His UI is making me feel sick.
Let's not get hyperbolic here.
😮
:/
Im getting a headache just looking at the information presented by this ui. There is so much useless stuff here.
There is a lot for sure.
This was painful to watch. To be fair the Map for this dungeon is really shit. Also his m+ addon showing Tyr and Morchie but then blight of Galakrond and Iridikron is really confusing.
Ya it was a rough one. No clue what's going on with the addon thing there either.
i know its late and tbh i havnt played dragonflight, i dont know this dungeon, i was confused as hell, this dungeon was so strange if your looking at it the first time idk maybe there is something i dont know i am willing to admit that ez but, I was confused as hell at that dungeon and without some outside info i would have NO idea where to go or what to do at certain points so idk, i think these guys deserve a lil lee way even if it is a +2 haha hee i dont mind a lil laugh but i can DEF see why they are confused as hell
Oh ya, pretty sure we say that in the video, can't remember. Its a confusing layout, especially because the map shows the entire mega-dungeon instead of just the dungeon you are in at the time.