Asus Gaming Laptop Won't power on after applying Liquid metal
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Wow, that customer was so lucky. Good job team!
Probably won't be lucky for very long. It's an ASUS laptop so a MOSFET will probably go bad within the next 6 months and it will be chillin at the NorthridgeFix shop again
this is why don't be a pig if your using conductive thermal paste🤣
yeah liquid metal is like pouring water on the computer's main board
Customer was stupid as a post.
Like always, great job. This customer got lucky you were able to clean up that mess and nothing else was damaged.
you put a smile on my face everytime you fix a piece even it is not mine. imagine how big that smile on the piece's owner.
what's wrong with normal thermal paste? simple normal thermal paste is not electrically conductive like liquid metal that's what's wrong with it
It would be nice to see some videos of Big Boss disassembling/reassembling laptops with some pointers on the problems he encounters with different makes and models.
I think this customer's laptop might've had liquid metal preapplied. My Asus G14 from Best Buy came with liquid metal as stock. Factory liquid metal was one of the reasons I bought this laptop over the competition last year, and after a few months had passed CPU temps were terrible regardless; low boost clocks well under 4 GHz and pegged at 95 C nearly all the time.
I took it apart recently to re-paste with some good ole reliable MX4 (I thought they had just used low-quality metal), and lo and behold, only half the CPU still had liquid metal on it and the rest was spilled over the side. There was a rubber "cage" around the CPU, but it wasn't a perfect seal and I had to clean up spillage. In other words, if I hadn't taken it apart to repaste, my laptop was a time bomb waiting to end up in your shop. Almost learned the hard way that liquid metal really isn't practical to be used in everyday machines like these, unless it's done by hand and done by someone who knows damn well what they're doing (and what they're risking). Thank you Alex for showing us these repairs, and what can go wrong with our devices.
I've never understood the reason why people would go with liquid metal.. I mean all that risks for a few degrees cooler or a few (at best 5?) percent more performance? 🤦
@@Chocobollz In my case, and possibly this customer's as well, the factory applied the liquid metal. If something was shorted as a result of the factory-applied liquid metal, the user is not the one at fault.
@@Chocobollz I agree with you. It makes no sense for real-life applications. The only people that it does make sense for are those who have a single-shot use of a computer with a view to topping the benchmark figures, but don't care about long term use.
@@Chocobollz I dunno if there are actual trial made with scientific method on actual consumer electronics but what the industry is trying to achieve is a thermal interface that won't get bad temps over the years like occurs with thermal paste when they get totally dry. So the user may just clean fans and heatsink without replacing the thermal interface between the hot components and the cold plate.
I completely agree with you. There is no way that liquid metal should be used in production models for all the reasons you specify. I wonder if the reason your model came with liquid metal was because someone in the suppliers wanted to be able to get really low thermal readings and top performance in their declared specs. The resulting damage is entirely their fault, and you should be entitled to a refund.
cannot stress enough how careful you have to be using liquid metal. even with 2 decades of build experience, it still makes me nervous as hell; at least arctic silver 5 was a thick paste and could be carefully controlled... it's called liquid because that's how it behaves
i think people apply it like you would thermal paste. it isnt meant to be squished out the sides.
Unfortunately reality isn't shared much with just how careful you have to be, and how LITTLE you are to use.
The squeeze out will stay on the edge of the CPU until it is bumped sideways and do just that.
the more important point is that arctic silver 5 is not electrically conductive and liquid metal is electrically conductive that causes shorts and different consistency is secondary effect that makes it bad as it runs everywhere.
@@blazetechstuff yea the amount spilled out is easily 2-3x the amount that should be used. I think the owner FAFO'd it
I doubt the owner even knew about it. Asus have been using liquid metal on the CPU in many of their ROG laptops, but it's not something the average Joe probably knows, let alone to be cautious about.
For this type of job you have to get a suction pump like the one which dentists are using at work. It does perfect job on liquids and will help you a lot. You can find cheaper ones all arround too..
he use it, but not everytime
check it
Incredible. That customer is very lucky. Good work guys
Damn that was an exercise in patience. Good job Alex and Big Boss
Now I see why someone who has already saved his Data from a non working laptop, bothers to send the MB out to be fixed.
Of course until the MB got to you, it was a crap shoot to actually fix the board at best.
You never cease to amaze me with your enthusiasm, optimism and persistence.
Another "fixed" item from Alex@ Northridge Fix!
Dang they dodged bullets like Neo on that one wowie! Great work guys
Great vids, as usual. I am curious.....would an ultrasound cleaner work for cleaning the liquid metal off the board?
Liquid metal videos are always good videos, still find it funny how much people dont think before they use it.
for the customer was a very lucky day :) another awesome job from northridgefix. thank you and big thumbs up for the big boss, the bos of all bosses. be safe. i really like your videos. i learn a lot from you. you have a very very big experience. but i do not make a sucsess repair on the devices cause i haven't got a thermal cam. i hope i buy it soon, but... it's very expensive. but the hope is big.
thank you all of your videos. greetings from Hungary. :)
I actually enjoyed the part with the music, felt like an ASMR video.
I just went with the Honeywell PTM7950 phase change pad on my laptop. I had to keep re-applying thermal paste on my laptop after several days/weeks. The paste would all just squeeze out to the sides and resulted in CPU temperatures climbing back up to throttling levels. I went through a handful of pastes. None helped. All started out great and then failed to do the job after several days or weeks.
The PTM7950 is the only thing that seems to do the trick. I applied it several months ago and my CPU temperatures are still good. I'd normally see a huge increase by now.
PTM7950 seems to be the answer if traditional thermal paste is causing problems.
if its squeezing out you are applying to much pressure...
Worth mentioning Asus have been using liquid metal on the CPU of many of their ROG laptop lineup for the last few years. This likely wasn't the owner's application.
so you are saying, its was trap put by asus to scam customer to buy new laptops hahahhah
Even if it is OEM, it wouldn't end up in blobs across the board like that unless someone pulled it apart, pulled the heat sink off and dropped it. Since he has no reason to tear it down that far other than to do thermal paste, I'd say the customer probably did it.
@@jarskyI've had 5 of these so far with the same problem Asus just can't apply liquid metal to save themselves. They fixed it in the 2022+ models
The problem is not folks choosing to use LiquidMetal as a thermal transfer medium, it's the amount. Folks new to self upgrading use the LM in the same amounts one would use thermal paste. The amount of LM required compared to thermal past in miniscule. Users slather LM on like sun tan lotion and the results are consistently like what we seen in this video.
I was gonna say. I ran conductonaut for a while and I used about a tenth of what he cleaned off the board...
this is the common amount asus puts on their laptops and is 90% of the units we see come in out of the box with the same issue. This is a manufacturer issue not consumer.
@@brandonhowell2539, thank you for the clarification.
@@brandonhowell2539 Wait, are you saying ASUS is shipping these laptops with liquid metal from factory?
@soulcatcher668 yes. First thing I did when I got my asus rog was to open it and clean the liquid metal spillover that I knew was likely, and indeed that was the situation I saw when i opened it.
If Big Boss wear those Jacket the device will work 😂
Nice cleaning job Alex.. you don't mess around with liquid metal
Board contamination can wreak havoc. Just repaired a Hepa Air Filter with a control system that had gone haywire. Capacitative touch controls we in a state of confusion. Removed and refitted some components to clean under them with isopropyl alcohol. Soldering / desoldering assisted by leaded solder, desolder braid and Amtech 559 - supplied of course by Northridgefix. Result - as expected with supplies from there - better than factory. Always be observant and never rule out contamination as the cause of trouble.
Hi, it's great when you see you can actually salvage liquid metal damaged laptops.one question, what do you use to clean the liquid metal.thanks
Woooh! Great job!
I can't wait for more items to come back in stock... till then, thanks for all that you do... Cheers!
Oh my god, there is really no need to take liquid metal instead of thermal paste. That was a nice fix but a very tedious. Thank you for that video. Greets
Thanks for the video, yeah liquid metal for me to such a pain.
ASUS have started using liquid metal from the factory now for the CPU in many ROG models. My ROG Strix G513 Advantage has liquid metal from the factory on the Ryzen 5900HX CPU, so does my nephews Rog Strix Intel i7 10th gen RTX2070 model. When there was a mainboard failure of my nephews (milk spill near GPU power delivery) I took the thermal unit off his to reveal the liquid metal, it had run off the CPU die and all over the CPU chip, but there is a small raised border to the chip which it didnt get past, but the actual silicon die was not covered well at all (and the laptop was overheating prior to the spill). To me it seems like they used far too much TIM at the factory on his machine, I took about 2/3rds of the stuff off and still could easily cover the silicon package. We sent the machine back to ASUS and they repaired the board.
The amount that is on this laptop is probably enough to cover 1 or 2 threadrippers with TIM. I dont like liquid metal, too many problems for not enough gain. I use Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut currently, but I might try the Carbonaut next cleaning of my machine to see how it goes (I run a threadripper).
And there's me thinking that music was a deliberate addition, you're pretty good at editing huh? :D Btw the music is cool, you should keep it in the background
i kinda liked the music over the board cleanup
Manual solder pump is amazing for removing liquid metal.
Anyone who takes tech to Best Buy deserves it.
I foumd the shop tour more interesting than the fix this time round 😁
Thumbs up on the ASMR cleaning!
That looks like a Zephyrus, those have liquid metal applied from the factory. I'm guessing it must have leaked out of the barrier at some point.
Looks like they used liquid metal like regular thermal paste. Liquid metal must be applied as little as possible, there are great tutorials around! I applied liquid metal to my PC CPU and also laptop CPU/GPU. In my case PC was an delidding experiment, but laptop had poor thermal performance. Nail polish was used for masking nearby components, I would love to use UV mask, but I did not have access to it.
nice jacket, Big Boss.... Good job Alex... Excellent
I think you can use desoldering pump for that kind of issue
Why do people use liquid metal on laptops, because if you spill to much you can burn the cpu/gpu/mb. If it is a pc it's fine because you can replace components but on laptops is a no-no. Try to clean it and use a good thermal paste from grizzly or use the new MSI thermal pad made of liquid metal. It's solid when you apply it and becomes liquid under load/hot.
People go for liquid metal usually because laptops have limited cooling and often do thermal throttle, so they try to alleviate that by improving thermal transfer from CPU/GPU to cooler. But the problem of liquid metal is exactly that it is liquid. First you need to apply it right, then you need to make sure it is just the right amount. It might be slightly less strict on desktop you won't carry around, but on laptop, you need to be very strict about it, otherwise you risk spill, since liquid metal is liquid. Especially if you will not have laptop on desk all the time and will carry it on back or in hand in vertical position, not to mention that any bump can set it flying around, which is what this case feels to me. Like it doesn't have to be strong bump, if you got too much. Hence why I would never use it on laptops. Since you really want to have some seal around CPU or GPU, if you use it, bit like o n PS5.
Also you can save yourself a ton of trouble here by doing research on laptops you are interested in, particularly in thermal department, since you can avoid all the fuss by buying one that won't thermal throttle stock, so no need for liquid metal, yes it will still run hot, but chips can handle it, they are expected to run hot, all involved companies know they will. But you can absolutely get terrible results, one of worse I saw was i7 laptop getting beaten by i5 laptop because former had huge thermal throttle problems and latter might had lower core count and clock, but it didn't throttle at all.
Hello, from Côte d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast). 👍
Hi to the Northridge team.
Could plz make a video about liquid metal. Do's and Don'ts, when and how to apply it or using it.
Thank you
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Big boss is like the Fonze. Works in his leather jacket.. 👍🏻👍🏻ayyyy
The music was a nice touch
That's a million dollar question. "what's wrong with normal thermal paste?" "Nothing"
Thanks for saving another unit from going to landfill
I've been using Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut (Delided 2600k, GTX1070 and 3 Laptops) for the pass 6 years. This clip brings me entertain and anxiety combo
I wonder if there's anything like a little tiny vacuum tube to clean up liquid metal
The laptop was scared to not come on with Boss of all Bosses staring it down.
liquid metal has a great performance, you just have to use the right amount and cover around with e-tape, and of course you need to use copper or nickel as a cooler.
People like to use liquid metal, because they hear all these rumors, it will lower the temps and make the laptop run a few degrees cooler. However, its highly conductive unlike most paste, and as you see, you have to be super careful, and apply very lite coating to avoid runout and killing your laptop like you see here. Some of the newer liquid metals that come preinstalled on laptops, revert to a solid-ish state when cold to help avoid the mess and problems. That stuff was wet, so it was probably customer installed.
The funny thing is that liquid metal does not bring any advantage over high quality thermal paste because the cooler size/design of the laptop is the bottle neck, not heat transfer from CPU/GPU to the heatsink.
I am curious if putting the board in a ultrasonic cleaner would get rid of lqd metal. Perhaps you could try on a nofix board eventually? Good work anyway.
I tried this and it didn't do much. It sticks too well. Manual removal worked but was a pain.
It's one of the reasons why I hated LM, especially when that stuff spills over due to user error. It doesn't mean when there's a guide for it you'll just blatantly follow it, it will also depend on the mounting pressure of the cpu and gpu die. If there is a gap, that stuff will certainly overheat at a rapid rate and may spillover after multiple expansion and contraction cycles of the heatsink. LM will only work as long as the contact for both the cpu and gpu is perfect or atleast the airgap is under 0.5mm and not exceeding 1mm.
lol the time lapse was a nice change over hearing you complain
Have to wonder if the benefits of Liquid Metal are worth the potential risk.
Not for laptops....but for stationary pc's its ok because you dont move your PC around
Just dont use too much 😋Also dont use aluminum coolers....😨
Laptops that have LM from the factory have special sponges that prevent from spilling the LM on the board
I kinda liked the fast forward with the music
Wouldn't it be easier to use a tiny nozzled vacuum to remove all the visible liquid metal since swabs just move it around the board. You could also finish it up in the ultrasonic with distilled water, no?
Big boss is legendary!
should try removing that using a hoover, like the desolder pump without the het
Would it have helped puting the board in ultrasonic cleaner? would it get rid of liquid metal?
Hi, ultrasonic cleaner isn't an options for this, especially for cleaning under the gpu?
Like the leather jacket. It's Big Boss that makes this look good.
If you stock liquid metal on your store, just think of all those extra repairs you will generate....
Fantastic job, well done from a new subscriber.
I just got a brand new g14 2022 that comes with liquid metal on the cpu die. Should I just apply conformal coating everywhere or just plain clean the liquid metal and put thermal paste? Im worried cuz i like this machine so much....also, should i handle it differently then? Cant i carry it in a backpack like any other laptop? :( Thx for help guys! Love these videos man!
A bunch of the higher end gaming laptops from Asus come with liquid metal from the factory now, it's a massive pain in the ass to deal with when doing repairs.
If your CPU/GPU isn't throttling because it's getting too hot, or your fans are constantly running at high speed, you don't have a cooling problem, and if you don't have a cooling problem, you don't need to improve the cooling. Improving the cooling won't do you any good. I see people spend tons of money on upgraded cooling products all the time, only to change nothing because they never had a problem. There is no problem if your CPU/GPU gets hot because it was designed to get hot. Most chips are designed to run continuously at 70, 90 or even 120 degrees Celsius. That's not a problem at all. And if you really need to improve cooling, the difference between the simplest thermal paste you can buy and the most advanced in practice is often only 3-5 degrees, in other words, forget it. It doesn't matter if your CPU runs at 60 or 64 degrees Celsius; it's not worth spending $50 instead of $10 for that difference. If your computer is constantly overheating, it's more likely due to the computer as a whole not being able to conduct heat out of the case. So you don't need a better CPU cooler or better thermal paste, you need a better case fan, or make sure there is optimal airflow to direct fresh air through your case, and clear the case of dust and blocked cables, because those are usually the real problems. For laptops, cleaning the tiny fans inside (and sometimes greasing the bearings) can do wonders. And any good thermal paste is never electrically conductive. Even pastes that contain silver or copper particles because that improves heat transport are not conductive because they are constructed in such a way that insulating materials wrap around the metal particles.
Liquid metal should never be used on mobile pc's.....Period. Cause just moving and bumping can dislodge the liquid running across the board. Only use liquid metal on mother boards that are laying flat not vertical in a vertical case gravity will make it run also. 😎👍👍
Same happened to me, was about to bin laptop, but seeing your past videos I decided to clean my MB of my laptop
(Asus dash tuf....fx517zr and works fine. Yeah it's OK to put on liqiud metal but taking it off is very difficult goes everywhere, didn't do much with thermal levels really.. good old arctic mx-6 thermal paste.
always magnificent work!
This owner got lucky. Stop putting liquid metal on your laptops! These consumer laptops are designed to barely work in the first place, stop making it worse!
I have not messed with liquid metal thermal paste, but is there a quality material or substance that can help remove the residue? Thank you 🤓
Would a solder sucker with no heat get rid of that junk?
Use PTM7950, less messy, non-conductive and temps are just as good.
very good video quality !
would an ultrasonic cleaner be a possible last ditch effort to clean liquid metal that has gone under a BGA chip. Ive seen people put board in the dishwasher etc.
Very nice work!
Lol, OMG. "Liquid metal massacre" is the perfect term for that atrocity.
I don't get the thing with liquid metal. Unless you are an expreme overclocker this stuff has no real advantage. Go with a regular paste like Arctic MX4 or MX5 and you are good to go. No chance to damage your expensive stuff.
Ask Asus that, it's been the standard on their ROG G Series for the last few years.
@@madmangohan oh really? Didn't know that. Thanks for the information
I don't understand some people they use liquid metal for less temperature on procesor but at the end for less temperature you get broken device why people trie to use liquid metal if there shuold be termal paste bydeway alex great job
Asus have been using liquid metal on the CPU with some of the ROG models for years now. This wasn't the owner doing it, however their tinkering to fix the laptop likely caused the spill.
@@madmangohan agree
can i ask what type of silicone paste you use as thermal paste?
Do you ever use an ultrasonic cleaner?
Can we use Ultrasonic cleaner to clean it 🤔
Looks like another Hiroshima! Lucky that you were able to fix. You're a Pro!
What exactly is the 'liquid metal'? Is it low-melt solder spilled all over the place?
Nothing wrong with normal thermal paste, but the thermal conductivity is just a fragment of any liquid metal solution. In this case (liqud metal) less is way more! Apply it very carefully is essential, and the result is worth it. Faster and even heat dissipation with less noise. But! Very tiny amount needed against of normal thermal paste.
nothing is wrong with normal thermal paste its for the newbs like your customers, but for people who have serious gaming laptops liquid metal when applied properly is amazing.
Hello. What is the best method to safely extract liquid metal from the CPU?
What did you use to clean liquid metal? do you sell it?
Just looks like regular isopropyl alcohol.
Wouldn't it be quicker to put it in a hot ultrasonic bath and let the metal fall out of the board?
MashaAllah bro your work is amazing
I think an small vacuum pen would work for suction the Liquid Metal on the board.
Very strange other shops didn't do it.
really enjoyed the background music
Good work my friend. You work absolutely like a surgeon👌👏👏
تحياتي من مصر 🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬
I have the same laptop and it freaked me out when I realized it has liquid metal stock from the factory
I would think that Centrifugal force might be a good way to deal with liquid meta.l
Maybe if some manufacturer is able to invent an airlock o-ring rubber thermally designed for the CPU and heatsink gap, only I might consider using liquid metal..
isnt it easy to clean via ultrasonic cleaner?
I never really get why do people try replacing the thermal paste, just to get a few more degrees cooler cpu? I mean, do you really play that intense games that stock specs aren't good enough?
don't know why anyone would use that stuff.
Like alex said, regular thermal paste works just fine.
hopefully the person that did that learned a lesson 😉
Is it really worth using liquid metal just to have a slightly cooler processor ?