RTX 3090 Graphics card Blew out after using Liquid Metal. A frustrating video to watch

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  • @holycownonames
    @holycownonames 3 года назад +930

    Got a laptop like this once, and it was such a mess that after hitting the board with extremely high pressure air, 90% alcohol, brushes and swabs, I finally figured out the right way to do it, I placed the motherboard in the trash and used the screen for a different laptop.

    • @geovani60624
      @geovani60624 3 года назад +100

      people think liquid metal is this magic ingredient that will double the speed of their machine

    • @lakaldrak
      @lakaldrak 3 года назад +17

      @@geovani60624 they dont need to think cause IT Just fact. Its way cooler so i can overclock way better

    • @geovani60624
      @geovani60624 3 года назад +128

      @@lakaldrak yeah? by how much? does it really matter enough to risk losing your thousand dollars gpu to get like 5 more fps in a game or two?

    • @NyanKuro
      @NyanKuro 3 года назад +55

      @@lakaldrak yeah burning your hardware is an absolute fact son.

    • @lakaldrak
      @lakaldrak 3 года назад +5

      @@NyanKuro so Then dont so it simple isnt IT? My CPU is 20C cooler. The only Thing u need to do is to refresh the LM every year

  • @Mimiyu004
    @Mimiyu004 3 года назад +883

    "If it's working don't fix it"
    Wise word from this channel and many others

    • @scythelord
      @scythelord 3 года назад +20

      True but not at the same time. You practically have to repad and repaste 3090s just to get the memory temps within Micron's specced 100c limit, since Nvidia thinks it's all fine and dandy up to nearly 110. Liquid metal is absolutely not necessary whatsoever though, unless you're going for extreme benchmark numbers.

    • @Ashraf690
      @Ashraf690 3 года назад +13

      @@scythelord "Extreme benchmark numbers". Not really. Even professional benchmarkers still using high quality paste and not liquid metal especially on GPU. In other words, just don't mod your components that still under warranty. If you still want to, wait around 1 -2 years from newly purchased card and do what you want if you know what you're doing.

    • @AdmiralFloof
      @AdmiralFloof 3 года назад +18

      @@scythelord Exactly. Changing the thermal pads and repasting is fine, but liquid metal is a bit too extreme and frying a 3090 right now when supply is low? Big ooof there.

    • @hugosmith3911
      @hugosmith3911 3 года назад +2

      *if its not working dont fix it

    • @m0r73n
      @m0r73n 3 года назад +3

      @@Ashraf690 I usually watercool my GPUs but I make sure to run them in my system for 1-2 months before disassembling the card that way you're more likely to find out if a card is faulty. Also when applying liquid metal I use electrical tape like Scotch Super 88 to cover the substrate around the gpu die, not using anything non conductive to cover it is idiotic.

  • @jimmyg2044
    @jimmyg2044 3 года назад +161

    The owner of this card watched too much of Terminator; he wants his 3090 to become T-1000.

  • @xenomorph7299
    @xenomorph7299 3 года назад +21

    "3090 for sale on eBay"
    Never had liquid metal on it

  • @Thep184
    @Thep184 3 года назад +15

    Here a tip for everyone who intends to do this: cover everything around the part you use liquid metal in and that is mot supposed to get any on it with nail paint. You can remove it or leave it on, but it protects the parts. But in general don’t do this… it snot worth the 10 degrees you safe…

    • @toastywf
      @toastywf 2 года назад +3

      or even better, there's some rubber paint stuff that extreme overclockers use that's much safer to use on electronics and will insulate against moisture and conductive materials

  • @hatzel666
    @hatzel666 3 года назад +800

    "Dear customer, how much liquid metal did you put on?"
    The Customer: "YES!"

    • @Mecano.r
      @Mecano.r 3 года назад +15

      Enough to short the mother board 🤣

    • @spitefulwar
      @spitefulwar 3 года назад +3

      Customer: "Massive dumps!"

    • @abdelkrimchikirou5986
      @abdelkrimchikirou5986 3 года назад +8

      and that's why deeeear costumer there is somthing called non conductive thermal paste so it's not gonna hurt anything. This is one of the main reasons non conductive thermal pastes were invented in the first place.

    • @ghostbiker7391
      @ghostbiker7391 3 года назад +3

      they gave it to the terminator who came on it

    • @sonySony-cj3ik
      @sonySony-cj3ik 3 года назад +2

      he must first uv glue caps around bga chip

  • @Demon09-_-
    @Demon09-_- 3 года назад +302

    lol man this guy sprayed that liquid metal everywhere

    • @nightruler666
      @nightruler666 3 года назад +42

      Verge style

    • @ahyaan2552
      @ahyaan2552 3 года назад +3

      @@nightruler666 lol

    • @P-G-77
      @P-G-77 3 года назад

      This is the warrant working.... fortunately not all ... but often some absurd things happen.

    • @twizz420
      @twizz420 3 года назад +4

      @@P-G-77 good luck getting that covered under warranty lmfao there's a reason it was sent to a 3rd party repair shop.

    • @flaviusbelisarius7517
      @flaviusbelisarius7517 2 года назад +3

      He paid for the whole tube, he's gonna apply the whole tube.

  • @JerameatC
    @JerameatC 3 года назад +258

    He must've smashed that cooler back on. I've never seen liquid metal shoot across any board like that.

    • @boricua1123
      @boricua1123 3 года назад +42

      The owner used waaaaaaaaay too much.

    • @SilvaDreams
      @SilvaDreams 3 года назад +53

      @@boricua1123 From the looks of it didn't know what the fuck they were doing either. Looks like they just scratched the surface to leave marks. You need a fine grit sandpaper like 3000grit or so to completely remove any oxidation but leave a VERY faint texture so the LM has something to adhere to and make a good fusion between parts.

    • @Bourinos02
      @Bourinos02 3 года назад +9

      @@SilvaDreams Wat? You guys are using sandpaper on direct die liquid metal jobs?

    • @SilvaDreams
      @SilvaDreams 3 года назад +3

      @@Bourinos02 Of course, you want to use a very fine one to remove the oxide layer that has formed that way it forms a better bond to the actual metal and not to the oxide layer which will inhibit the heat transfer.

    • @Bourinos02
      @Bourinos02 3 года назад +33

      @@SilvaDreams Sorry but that doesn't make much sense... If the chip manufacturer placed it there, it must be only around 100 nanometers thick, and if it is occuring naturally, it is quite literally only an atomic bilayer. So there would be negligible to unmeasurable gains from the heat transfer perspective.
      Could you elaborate a bit more?

  • @jcreazy
    @jcreazy 2 года назад +48

    Did a part 2 ever happen for this? I can't find it and I am totally invested in seeing if this thing can be fixed.

    • @Robert-un3cf
      @Robert-un3cf 2 года назад +13

      I'd be shocked if this thing still works, assuming it was powered on in that state. Probably a total loss

    • @MadMax-yq9ix
      @MadMax-yq9ix 2 года назад +7

      Was looking for part 2 don't see anything

  • @valaphee
    @valaphee 3 года назад +27

    A small desoldering pump can help when removing liquid metal

    • @fkjos7682
      @fkjos7682 3 года назад

      I was thinking the same. Suction would work better than trying to grab the blobs with a tweezer.

    • @rafsh1846
      @rafsh1846 2 года назад +2

      Hi pressure air house can clean the whole thing

    • @ShelbyStoddard
      @ShelbyStoddard 6 месяцев назад

      I used suction from the lab's distribution to clean all kinds of stuff from my boards. 25 inch+ vacuum through a 2mm id. sipper tube. I also used a trap to catch the occasional part that would try to escape.

  • @ijuvatar
    @ijuvatar 3 года назад +92

    "if it's not broken do not fix it" - sums up the video pretty well

  • @waltercomunello121
    @waltercomunello121 3 года назад +125

    "If it works, don't fix it."
    "If it ain't broken, fix it till it is."
    I'm starting to sense something trascendental.

    • @lolowfi
      @lolowfi 3 года назад +4

      Or the version you tell novice programmers. "If it ain't broken, don't break it."

  • @Gruxxan
    @Gruxxan 3 года назад +234

    this is a classic case of 'More Money Than Sense"

    • @dangingerich2559
      @dangingerich2559 3 года назад +20

      This proves money isn't necessarily obtained by intelligence.

    • @a36538
      @a36538 3 года назад

      This 3090 is probably paired with 3300x box 😂

    • @twizz420
      @twizz420 3 года назад +1

      @@a36538 it's probably paired with a fuckin ryzen 1100

    • @tony001212
      @tony001212 2 года назад +2

      I do not agree, if he was that wealthy he didn't need to take it to fix, he simply would've bought another one.

    • @cherub0nyx
      @cherub0nyx 2 года назад

      @@tony001212 the 3090 could have been a gift from him to him so it has sentimental value.

  • @deanclark4212
    @deanclark4212 3 года назад +21

    Have you considered using a solder sucker to remove the liquid metal? id imagine that would be a useful tool for a job like this one, also its plastic tip is non conductive too :)

  • @jamesgraham8386
    @jamesgraham8386 2 года назад +9

    The desoldering station I used in the navy had a vacuum attachment. This used in conjunction with your heat gun should make it relatively easy to remove the liquid metal.

  • @madplaya5346
    @madplaya5346 3 года назад +189

    I think the verge's ''professionals'' tried to make a new video on how to switch to liquidmetal. lol

    • @user-vn1zi9mx3z
      @user-vn1zi9mx3z 3 года назад +6

      The pc building is a masterpiece

    • @smirage22
      @smirage22 3 года назад +2

      Jackson Pollock painting

    • @bsc3128
      @bsc3128 2 года назад +1

      well he definitely screwed it with confidence.

    • @wavegenix4184
      @wavegenix4184 2 года назад +1

      @@bsc3128 he didn't use a anti static bracelet 🤣🤣🤣

  • @rm4213
    @rm4213 3 года назад +81

    Why didn't he just get a water block for the card. The PS5 has liquid metal but it also has foam boarders to keep it in one spot so it does not spread potentially causing a short like this card did.

    • @marnickbar4794
      @marnickbar4794 3 года назад +5

      cuz liquid metal is so much cheaper than getting a 300$ block

    • @d3vastat0r89
      @d3vastat0r89 3 года назад +15

      I've only seen one liquid metal application video, and they taped off the processor with masking tape, and spread that liquid metal as thin as they could so it would have the least possibility of spreading after they put it back together. That was Gamers Nexus, I think. I guess customer did not see that video.

    • @Scuba_Bro
      @Scuba_Bro 3 года назад +16

      @@d3vastat0r89 , I think people don’t realize it’s not your typical thermal paste and don’t feel confident with just putting a little and in turn we see disasters like this on north ridge fix 😂

    • @fattony6203
      @fattony6203 3 года назад +8

      Thermal Grizzly paste. No liquid metal bullcrap. Why do people attempt things that they shouldn't?

    • @Scuba_Bro
      @Scuba_Bro 3 года назад +23

      @@fattony6203 , we only use liquid metal at work for overclocked workstations that are processing at max capability for up to 3 days… liquid metal reduces average temp about 11degrees Celsius which is great however we are a team of electrical and mechanical engineers with lots of technicians and metal worked that took 2 years to get liquid metal use right for our intended purposes! Also liquid metal can eat away at other metals if you’re not careful including SMT component leads and in some cases solder joints… if you’re a regular gamer and PC builder you shouldn’t even try messing with liquid metal! The padding and additional spill shields we have set in place only work we’ll because we have our mother boards custom built with layout options that enable us to prevent this stuff from ruining most things lol.

  • @LSDale
    @LSDale 3 года назад +107

    I have a feeling that the solder balls under some of the ICs will be bridged from the liquid metal. I understand people want to DIY things to get performance, but I don't recommend doing those things yourself if you do not have a good plan or maybe someone with experience to supervise. Let's hope the step-down converter is all the card needs.

    • @KattKingston
      @KattKingston 3 года назад +24

      Almost a $4k card at one point in time! Let's put some liquid metal that probably has a 1c degree change compared to super safe thermal paste rofl. What an idiot who owned this card.

    • @masterSe7en77
      @masterSe7en77 3 года назад +12

      Dude.... I'd like to meet the noob who did this... Please take my advice here boys, it's ok to be new and to learn to apply liquid metal.... It's a NOT OK to learn to apply liquid metal on a currently/recently worth 4000 dollar card lol

    • @hateWinVista
      @hateWinVista 3 года назад +6

      BGA solder balls getting bridged is very common in LM damaged cases. The repair technician must take the GPU and VRAM off for close inspection, reball them afterwards. Very time consuming and expensive repair job.

    • @lordseph
      @lordseph 3 года назад +1

      @@hateWinVista Yep, that's probably a couple of hours work for sure!

    • @Power-Wiesel
      @Power-Wiesel 3 года назад +3

      @@KattKingston more like 15°C. Which is a lot.

  • @ParadineG
    @ParadineG 3 года назад +6

    Nice video. Always coat (insulate) surroundings before applying LM and apply carefully as LM tends to drip very easily. On my first use, it dripped on my floor and skin. And avoid using it on movable objects like laptops. And unless Your card hits 90+C often do not use it!

  • @GeekGarageDK
    @GeekGarageDK 2 года назад +7

    To remove liquid metal use the suction part of a de-soldering station with a tiny suction tip

    • @Calango741
      @Calango741 2 года назад

      That's what I was going to suggest.

  • @ouki4925
    @ouki4925 3 года назад +106

    I’ve used liquid metal many times before and the number 1 rule is to surround it with electric tapes or equivalent to prevent it from leaking elsewhere. Sony does the same thing for their PS5 as well.

    • @NeroKoso
      @NeroKoso 2 года назад +11

      Well this dude would have needed to wrap whole GPU in plastic.. :'D

    • @utley
      @utley 2 года назад +4

      ive seen ppl using nail polish over the resistors around the gpu die. not really sure if thats appropriate though....,

    • @rafaelwoitzuck3186
      @rafaelwoitzuck3186 2 года назад

      @@utley well, if heat dissipation anin't a problem and you only want to seal the parts: why not?

    • @utley
      @utley 2 года назад +4

      @@rafaelwoitzuck3186 foreign chemicals in a high end product is something to not be taken lightly.

    • @utley
      @utley 2 года назад +2

      @Marauder those are thermal insulators...

  • @izaklotter8958
    @izaklotter8958 3 года назад +132

    Did this guy drop the bottle of liquid metal on the board? sure looks like it

    • @derekchan1570
      @derekchan1570 3 года назад +5

      Most of liquid metal comes with syringe which is very hard to control volume to apply. Easy to overshoot. The correct approach is to apply little bit on swab then apply it CPU die with super thin layer.

    • @liaminwales
      @liaminwales 3 года назад +1

      @@derekchan1570 buildzoid did a video on how to use it, you never apply to the item you apply to a ear bud then to the item.
      He also used a lot lot lot lot less than most "tech" channels & dappled it to both slicon and heat sink.
      I dont like the stuff, not worth it.

    • @ihavetubes
      @ihavetubes 3 года назад +4

      The T1000 wants his liquid metal back.

    • @uberownerss
      @uberownerss 3 года назад

      Bruh thats not even liquid metal thats liquid fist babies

  • @TECHHUBfixitup
    @TECHHUBfixitup 3 года назад +199

    You can remove the liquid metal with the syringe.

    • @ariewijaya1679
      @ariewijaya1679 3 года назад +4

      or with air compressor

    • @an3k
      @an3k 3 года назад +24

      @@ariewijaya1679 And spray the toxic liquid everywhere. I wouldn't do that :)

    • @ariewijaya1679
      @ariewijaya1679 3 года назад +1

      @@an3k 6:07 he did it with hot air blower. why not get full blast with air compressor 😁. off course do it in outdoor

    • @bernddasbrot2266
      @bernddasbrot2266 3 года назад +4

      Liquid metal behaves really wierd when it comes in contact with ordinary thermal paste and might make a cleanup job easier. I can't really explain since my last build was a long time ago and I cannot really remember. I have used Arctic Silver as a shield against liquid metal in my graphics card.

    • @an3k
      @an3k 3 года назад +12

      @@ariewijaya1679 hot air blower ... is for soldering and not for blowing stuff away ... and since liquid metal is toxic you do not want to blow it everywhere

  • @foogod4237
    @foogod4237 2 года назад +6

    I've never tried it myself, but my thought is that for this sort of thing you might want to try getting some (medical) syringes to suck up the liquid metal. They can be bought pretty cheaply as diabetic supplies online, which I have found quite handy for various things myself (or if you want something a little safer, you can get blunt-tip ones too (which won't go straight through your finger accidentally) but they do cost a bit more, because they're generally considered "lab supplies")
    But boy, they really managed to get that stuff absolutely everywhere, didn't they?

  • @klipser66
    @klipser66 2 года назад +2

    I'm a vet MD that also repairs/builds PCs in my free time for almost 30 years now (actually paid for my college that way). I often use old surgical instruments when doing so. My suggestion is at 6:39 you could use a suction device that we use in medicine called a vacuum suction pump to remove the liquid metal. I know there probably are tools similar to this in your field but in my experience due to the quality of making surgical tools tend to be better. Cheers
    P.S. The way you say Metal makes me feel you are a metalhead 😁🤟

    • @jacobytrainwreck5590
      @jacobytrainwreck5590 2 года назад +1

      there is a tool called a "solder sucker" which is what came to my mind. i think you'll find its similar to what you were thinking.

  • @sheek1982
    @sheek1982 3 года назад +72

    RUclips has everyone feeling the need to re-paste everything, even when it's fine the way it is. 😄

    • @Omi_Kasigi
      @Omi_Kasigi 3 года назад +2

      Can't agree more. Even if the difference is around 5-10%, I would not take the risks. I'd rather go cooling a 3090 with a waterblock instead.

    • @AC3handle
      @AC3handle 3 года назад +4

      In some instances, repasting older products can help tremendously. BUt in all instances, work with that which you know what you're dealing with. Liquid Metal is about on par with fucking with the registry.

    • @Kuri0
      @Kuri0 3 года назад

      @Cthulhu it's not worth on a brand new gpu

  • @kamilatl
    @kamilatl 3 года назад +28

    "... Caused by liquid metal". No, that's not true. The damage was caused by someone who carelessly splooged liquid metal on the board against all recommendations and instructions.

    • @tiagonascimento4386
      @tiagonascimento4386 Год назад

      Wtf how much liquid metal did this idiot use, the whole tube or what🤦🏾 with all that spilled liquid metal he could have optimized 2-3 GPUs.

    • @MKABR
      @MKABR Год назад

      Ever heard liquid metal fall of from cpu/gpu? If dont just stfu boi. That happen to me right stfu.

    • @xyzlenso
      @xyzlenso Год назад

      Agree

    • @webolabs
      @webolabs 9 месяцев назад

      You are wrong, I had the same problem and it was not my fault. The liquid metal was already applied on cooler. And it killed many PSU

  • @mauiiiog8204
    @mauiiiog8204 3 года назад +71

    I wish I had to confidence to to try to brick something that expensive

    • @nukfauxsho
      @nukfauxsho 3 года назад +19

      there was no confidence, only ignorance.

    • @gastongl404
      @gastongl404 3 года назад

      for some 1 to miss with a brand new GPU thermal pad, theoretically he is looking for the best solution to lower the temp by maybe a few degrees, so theoretically he should already make some research to know the best in the market and what pros and cons each type has. it just doesn't make any sense

    • @faranocks
      @faranocks 3 года назад +1

      @@gastongl404 It isn't as if you even get so much of an improvement from a die-to-heatsink solution like GPUs anyways. CPUs are different, as there is an IHS.

    • @gastongl404
      @gastongl404 3 года назад

      @@faranocks well, any 1 that's want to use metal liquid should know the risques and shouldn't squeeze it like a mayonnaise bottle xD

    • @henrygreen2096
      @henrygreen2096 3 года назад +1

      @@nukfauxsho ignorance and confidence go hand in hand honestly. You’re both correct.

  • @profix25lo
    @profix25lo 2 года назад +16

    This is the perfect example of:
    "I don't need to watch a HOW-TO video, I know what to do"

    • @revenge3265
      @revenge3265 2 года назад +5

      Tbf, RUclips has made it significantly harder to find trustworthy how to videos by removing dislikes.

    • @profix25lo
      @profix25lo 2 года назад +1

      @@revenge3265 True. But in the tech areas you generally can trust a guy if the production quality is high. (gamersnexus, der8auer etc.) even Linus

  • @DavorBa
    @DavorBa 2 года назад +1

    The simplest way to deal with LM is to suck it up with something like a very small syringe (the one LM comes in is good for this, or even get smaller if available), or micro pipettes. This was indeed hard to watch, as the owner did NOTHING to secure the area from LM spillage.

  • @Comequat
    @Comequat 3 года назад +24

    you can put several clear coats of nail polish on the little components inside the foam border of the chip to protect from liquid metal

    • @JackC92
      @JackC92 3 года назад +2

      @@_to_dream_or_not_to_dream I believe not, I've seen potted SMDs on PCBs before so nail polish shouldn't be a problem.

    • @TheJirkal
      @TheJirkal 3 года назад +2

      I have used electrical tape and it works pretty well too.

    • @bernardoalbano1816
      @bernardoalbano1816 3 года назад

      @@_to_dream_or_not_to_dream not realy since most heat doesnt come from the small components but if u want to remove it after the work is done u can do remove it with acetone

  • @edwardchester1
    @edwardchester1 3 года назад +24

    I've long known liquid metal was a very risky substance to use but this really just highlights how crazy an idea it is for most users. Just not worth the risk.

    • @Morpheus-pt3wq
      @Morpheus-pt3wq 2 года назад +1

      It may be worth the risk, actually. But only if you know, what EXACTLY are you doing.
      For GPU, mostly changing the thermal paste for some better paste and thermal pads (if they´re worn out or defective) is enough.

    • @hopentethking1966
      @hopentethking1966 2 года назад +11

      @@Morpheus-pt3wq Losing a 3090 in 2022 because of not just using thermal paste and pads in risky and unnecessary. Imagine the look on his face when instead of a little higher temp it cooked.

    • @MartinvanStormOfficial
      @MartinvanStormOfficial 2 года назад

      @@Morpheus-pt3wq For non-soldered cpus it is definitely worth it. Gave me a delta of around 20-25°C after removing the heatspreader and applying it. However I protected the SMDs around the chip by applying clear nail polish without any solvents or additional ingredients. Done like this it is far less risky. However on a GPU you don't have the heatspreader between chip and cooler, so it's far less worth it.

    • @DavorBa
      @DavorBa 2 года назад

      @@hopentethking1966 Thats the "know exactly what you are doing" part. The area around needs to be insulated, or closed off from spilling, like its done in PS 5. If everything is done right, it dramatically decreases temps, thats why people are doing it.

  • @samhawkes6597
    @samhawkes6597 3 года назад +19

    Bloody hell he got that liquid metal everywhere

  • @filds1
    @filds1 2 года назад +9

    Use ice cubes to remove LM. It goes brittle on lower temps. Or you could just put the gpu in a freezer for 2-3 mins . And just scrape of LM

    • @therocinante3443
      @therocinante3443 2 года назад

      Ah yes, GOOD condensation.

    • @jay-d8g3v
      @jay-d8g3v 2 года назад

      @@therocinante3443 if the board isn't connected, water isn't a problem.

  • @DownButNotOutYet
    @DownButNotOutYet 2 года назад

    A small vacuum (dedicated vacuum pump, not a shop vac), think of a air brush setup but with reversed flow, the paint pot will be the catch tank (small hard foam filter to prevent material getting into the pump) , regulate the flow, have a silicon flexible nozzle to get into the crevices, will probably require some fiddling to get it just right, or a lab suction pipet for a manual option, just a thought.

  • @meatmeatmeat1528
    @meatmeatmeat1528 3 года назад +42

    For stuff like this, you could try using micro pipettes. They pick very small volumes of liquids, and have a very narrow point

  • @Acecool
    @Acecool 3 года назад +9

    Underneath that one IC where you pushed some liquid metal in, then got it out with hot air - looks like there is still a lot more. Maybe put some picks in the freezer / ice - see if the cold hardens it so it can be pulled off. Insulate your hand to keep the tool cold longer. Try compressed air, spray into a bag...

  • @IMDYT420
    @IMDYT420 3 года назад +150

    Could you use a solder sucker like those handheld ones to remove the liquid metal?

    • @ChannelJanis
      @ChannelJanis 3 года назад +17

      Liquid metal is nasty stuff, it can degrade aluminium, solder, maybe other metals. I would not risk my expensive instruments if I can use the cheap stuff. Anyway He would have to go over with something else to get the remaining stuff off.

    • @Crystalservices
      @Crystalservices 3 года назад +2

      Not for tiny metal drops

    • @davides1489
      @davides1489 3 года назад +5

      No, even using the swab sometimes you just "moove it around"

    • @IMDYT420
      @IMDYT420 3 года назад +11

      Compressed air and maybe blow it off the board?

    • @gearzpop8457
      @gearzpop8457 3 года назад +4

      @@IMDYT420 in a contained area maybe. Dont want to get those things on other electronics.

  • @asmongoldsmouth9839
    @asmongoldsmouth9839 2 года назад +36

    I absolutely despise when people use liquid metal on their computer components. They don't realize how caustic it is to traces and PCBs.

    • @profix25lo
      @profix25lo 2 года назад +6

      That is why you only put in on the chip and insulate nearby combonents

    • @Morpheus-pt3wq
      @Morpheus-pt3wq 2 года назад +2

      Well, liquid metal helped me a lot, when i was OCing my old i7 4770K. But i did my research, applied it correctly and insulated the components next to chip.

  • @dawnoftruth1
    @dawnoftruth1 2 года назад +1

    I'd really love to get into liquid metal, but the manufacturers need to come up with a more user friendly way of applying this safely to a build, it's too risky especially right now.

  • @EM-ks5my
    @EM-ks5my 3 года назад +23

    You can apply liquid metal safely, you need first to buy some expensive spray that leaves a polymer coating.
    Louis Rossman mentioned but I can remember the whole process.
    Also some use transparent nail polish to protect the chipset resistors.
    But again, the reward for a couple degrees is not worth it.
    Add another fan and you will drop more than changing to liquid metal.

    • @suqd674
      @suqd674 2 года назад +2

      Totally worth it for fans of silence (pun intended)

    • @TheMrZ100
      @TheMrZ100 2 года назад

      Desktop GPUs are not worth it but myself have dropped temps by over 10C on a couple laptops and my 6600K (delid)

    • @octoslut
      @octoslut Год назад

      its worth it in laptop applications

  • @infiniteinmystery35
    @infiniteinmystery35 3 года назад +17

    7:25 that clay like stuff formed a face of agony... seems about right.

  • @tecnogordos7982
    @tecnogordos7982 3 года назад +4

    there is a saying, "if something works, leave it like that, dont try to improve something that already works" i guess this is one of those moments

  • @themomorain
    @themomorain 2 года назад +2

    The mic you have is awesome! Its so freaking tiny and sounds amazing. I actually do wonder how that is possible!

  • @Murph9000
    @Murph9000 3 года назад +4

    Copper desoldering braided wick is probably worth a try to soak it up. I'm guessing, never tried it, but it would be high on my list. You'd have both the wicking action and the copper acting like a sponge for gallium at a molecular level. Possibly hit the wick with some flux and heat, to clean it, if it doesn't work without (so the gallium gets some fresh copper to eat, not for the heat).
    Or, if you have one handy, a syringe should do it. There are spring loaded desoldering syringes on the market with small nozzles (intended to suck up normal molten solder, but no reason they shouldn't work with cold liquid metals as well). Medical syringes with a small needle might help as well, for precision work in tight spaces.

  • @phillipsvanderwesthuizen800
    @phillipsvanderwesthuizen800 3 года назад +11

    Just remember the liquid metal contaminates aluminum and will destroy it. So if you use a solder sucker it should not have any aluminum parts.

    • @rafsh1846
      @rafsh1846 2 года назад

      It destroy all the solder joints also after couple weeks

  • @same4718
    @same4718 3 года назад +17

    There's another t-shirt right there "if it's not broken don't try to fix it!"

    • @Th3BlackLotus
      @Th3BlackLotus 3 года назад +2

      It exists. That saying is as old as time.

    • @davidg2011
      @davidg2011 3 года назад

      " If it ain't broken, I can break it for you "

  • @nightruler666
    @nightruler666 3 года назад +14

    This what happens when you watch the verge PC build

  • @fareselamine8115
    @fareselamine8115 3 года назад +4

    The easiest way I've found is by using a qtip that basically has a small amount of LM on it and then use its own surface tension to suck up whatever is around tiny resistors and caps by slowly trying to touch them.
    Done that on a couple of laptops so far and seems to be consistently reliable.

    • @LoneTiger
      @LoneTiger 2 года назад

      I was thinking more on a de-soldering sucking pen, that should be enough to pull those tricky gobs.

    • @poland-nosteamserver6378
      @poland-nosteamserver6378 Год назад

      Why that even happened?

    • @fareselamine8115
      @fareselamine8115 Год назад

      @@poland-nosteamserver6378
      If you've ever applied too much thermal paste you would know how it can ooze out a bit. The same thing can happen with liquid metal, or by accidentally squirting some out from the applicator on anything outside of the IHS.

  • @racellepacquiaban4279
    @racellepacquiaban4279 3 года назад +1

    How that's amazing, I also want to fix board level repair soon when I can afford to buy some tool. As of now I love watching you're video man I learned a lot. Love from PH❤️🇵🇭

  • @rogerhunton8921
    @rogerhunton8921 3 года назад +40

    This guys should lose the right to having the 3090…

    • @WarHawk427
      @WarHawk427 3 года назад +7

      I think he did already lmao

    • @christopheragent006
      @christopheragent006 3 года назад +3

      He should only be allowed to buy a gt 1030 or lower!!!! 😂

    • @anthony37860
      @anthony37860 3 года назад +3

      Probably bought it to play rtx minecraft😂😂

    • @rogerhunton8921
      @rogerhunton8921 3 года назад +1

      Look mom, I can run Minecraft in 8k!

    • @Alte.Kameraden
      @Alte.Kameraden 3 года назад +1

      @@christopheragent006 710

  • @dzcapssoula8581
    @dzcapssoula8581 3 года назад +20

    there is more lequid metal under the chip at 6:05 .... and between the resistor and capacitor at 8:17 ( they are next to the inductor )

    • @Jencha010101
      @Jencha010101 3 года назад +2

      Tens of thousands of eyes surely help fixing stuff.

  • @Gr1mPenguin
    @Gr1mPenguin 3 года назад +8

    I thought i was supposed to use the entire syringe! I paid for it i'm gonna use all of it!

  • @JT-ir6vw
    @JT-ir6vw 2 года назад

    You can chill the board which causes the liquid metal to solidify. You can them chip it off, though not much time to do so before it goes liquid again. Only issue is on rare occasion certain components can develop stress fractures if brought down too low. I use a bottle of electronics duster, turn it upside down and spray in a small container. Then soak cotton swabs in it. Can then chill select locations to solidify.

  • @FantaBH
    @FantaBH 2 года назад +2

    To add while watching the video till the end, had the same case a long time ago, and used an electric vacuum pump to remove all liquid metal very easily. and yea you just said if someone has an easy way to write in comment, well I just did.

  • @samgee500
    @samgee500 3 года назад +33

    If you want to improve the thermals of an air-cooled graphics card like a 3090, then buy a gigantic third-party universal VGA heatsink and just use normal thermal paste.

    • @CokefishR
      @CokefishR 2 года назад +3

      The problem then is you need to also build a cooling solution for the VRMs and VRAM modules which can get quite hot.

    • @Walhor
      @Walhor 2 года назад

      Got 3090 aorus xtreme which has probally the biggest heatsink of the 3090s. But they cheaped out on thermal pads and Ive heard the big vapor chamber inst probally surfaced. The memory junction is somewhat ok 96c but I still bought some thermal pads and slapped some alumium fins ontop of the backplate to get it lower.

    • @coolspot18
      @coolspot18 2 года назад

      Yeah, why would anyone use liquid metal... a closed liquid cooler would be more than adequate.

    • @Bastyyyyyy
      @Bastyyyyyy 2 года назад

      @@coolspot18 i have my 3090 watercooled and i can tell you the chips in the back get so freaking hot that even watercooling doesnt help.
      Only after i bought the watercooler for the backplate for the 3090 it fixed it. Its a huge design flaw of the 3090 and i hope they will improve it on the next model

    • @octoslut
      @octoslut Год назад

      @@Walhor bud 96c hotspot is within safe range lol did you read reddit or something?? only they'll tell you to fix something that ain't broken

  • @tech_jims
    @tech_jims 3 года назад +32

    Ouch that's an expensive liquid metal mistake especially on a 3090 and the prices they go for
    Ps keep up the amazing content 👏

  • @HGEADAK
    @HGEADAK 3 года назад +31

    6:05 check the solder balls of this memory chip. It may need to be replaced

  • @PapaSharmaJi
    @PapaSharmaJi 2 года назад

    You can use handheld suction solder remover to catch the liquid metal. I may be missing the actual name of the tool but I used it when I used to repair VCR and Video Cameras. also you can use a copper sleeve with soldering iron, once you have gathered all the liquid metal to a blank space on board.

  • @amberm4178
    @amberm4178 2 года назад +1

    IM always shocked by people who think they have a better cooling solution than the company who produces the card.

  • @davidgriffin79
    @davidgriffin79 3 года назад +7

    8:07 Yep, expected that; the excessive current draw due to numerous shorts will have taken out that and possibly other components as well.

  • @oscaremoralesp28
    @oscaremoralesp28 3 года назад +16

    I would use compressed air to remove it. (Edit: Outside far away from any other electronics and people)

    • @TheBlackAndWhiteCow
      @TheBlackAndWhiteCow 3 года назад +4

      You could potentially trap it under other bga chips worsening it

    • @alreed2434
      @alreed2434 3 года назад

      Not a good way to remove would just splatter all over.

    • @WertzOne
      @WertzOne 3 года назад +1

      @@TheBlackAndWhiteCow
      That's how I clean below cellphone bga chips, you can see the liquid getting pushed away from the bga chips.

    • @markus98sb
      @markus98sb 3 года назад

      @@alreed2434 @TheBlackAndWhiteCow you would use compressed air after removing all the visible liquid metal

    • @TheBlackAndWhiteCow
      @TheBlackAndWhiteCow 3 года назад

      @@markus98sb probably good as a last step I would start with an electric solder sucker with no heat as close as possible to the board then use compressed air

  • @aseredy
    @aseredy 3 года назад +13

    It comes off easier when you "prime" the swab with other liquid metal. So, you use one swap to clean off the IC plate, then wipe off as much of the liquid metal you can from that swab, and use it to wick up the small bits. that being said... the dude used way too much. I was able to do 3 GPUs and one laptop CPU with the liquid metal that came in 1 pack, and I still have a ton left over. smh.

  • @hank9tube
    @hank9tube 3 года назад +6

    Very interesting. Have you considered using a solder extractor to "vacuum" out the LM?

    • @Morpheus-pt3wq
      @Morpheus-pt3wq 2 года назад

      This. When it forms the balls, it looks exactly as solder.
      But i wonder, if the solder extractor won´t end up being destroyed in the process as well.

  • @MrNolimitech
    @MrNolimitech 2 года назад +1

    Maybe a de-soldering pump could do the job. I used it every time for regular soldering / de-soldering.
    great video.

  • @grproteus
    @grproteus 3 года назад +4

    liquid metal terminated a super-hard to find 3090. Sad reactions only :(
    Also note: liquid metal (gallium) savagely destroys aluminum. If there is aluminum in your tools, they are very likely damaged after working with that..

    • @magnetmannenbannanen
      @magnetmannenbannanen 3 года назад

      isnt gallium a poison? they sell that to kids? EDIT i was thinking of Thallium.

  • @antonjansenvanrensburg4145
    @antonjansenvanrensburg4145 3 года назад +7

    dang... one hell of a facepalm... you have alot of patience! will never touch liquid metal.

  • @Stan-rs1ne
    @Stan-rs1ne 3 года назад +7

    Why did that noob customer decide it was a good idea to apply liquid metal when he had no clue what he was doing lmao

    • @anthony37860
      @anthony37860 3 года назад +5

      He watched LTT and thought he was a pro😂

  • @Renegade1100011
    @Renegade1100011 2 года назад

    "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". My Dad gave me this advice when I was a lad and it has served me well over the years.

  • @brettbainbridge3154
    @brettbainbridge3154 2 года назад +1

    Holy hell, that's easily the worst liquid metal application I've ever seen.

  • @computerservicenow7182
    @computerservicenow7182 3 года назад +6

    The best way to remove "Liquid Metal" is not to use the absolutely horrible stuff in the first place, it's probably under the GPU or other BGA chips thoroughly flush the board with IPA under pressure from a very small nozzle while standing it on it's edge vertically, I've seen so many amateurs try to use this & destroy CPU's & GPU's.

  • @jetamiemaster
    @jetamiemaster 3 года назад +37

    If I would have a 3090, I'll just use it. Liquid Metal is so risky and scary.

    • @Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_
      @Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ 3 года назад +2

      I put liquid metal in my $3000 alienware laptop, you can't put too much and you should use nail polish on the surrounding tiny resistors.

    • @TheCanadianMob
      @TheCanadianMob 3 года назад +5

      @@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ Lol a laptop for 3K, or the name alienware sold you ahah

    • @notmyfaultthisishappening3795
      @notmyfaultthisishappening3795 3 года назад +4

      @@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ you realize how this sounds, right?

    • @aaron03071991
      @aaron03071991 3 года назад +4

      @@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ unless you dont move your laptop, i advice you stay away from LM, even if you coat everything on gpu\cpu with nail polish. Good thermal paste and clean radiator(s) are half of the job, you should also undervolt both cpu and gpu, it will do more than LM, and is much safer.

    • @theairaccumulator7144
      @theairaccumulator7144 2 года назад

      @@TheCanadianMob bet you can get better specs at 1.5k from any other brand

  • @jontait1095
    @jontait1095 3 года назад +16

    Have you tried solder wick to remove liquid metal

  • @krabokiller
    @krabokiller 2 года назад

    Remember that one notebook, which "stopped working after thermal interface change" liquid metal spill on cpu power source, and some got under vram chips. Its so frustrating...

  • @DarrenStarr
    @DarrenStarr 2 года назад

    Use a solder sucker to remove the liquid metal. The fast suction action should pull it away easily. Also compressed air through a small nozzle to blow away some liquid metal.

  • @metalacos
    @metalacos 3 года назад +9

    I would try compressed air for standalone air compressor, not canned one. He has strong air flow so it could be helpful.

    • @madmatt2024
      @madmatt2024 3 года назад

      This. I've used one to blow water out from under BGA chips on a motherboard that got wet. It should work the same for liquid metal.

    • @kmgrillen
      @kmgrillen 3 года назад +2

      @@madmatt2024 nope, you'd just spread the liquid metal out over a larger area. Think of liquid metal as paint that won't dry.

    • @madmatt2024
      @madmatt2024 3 года назад

      @@kmgrillen I think you're confused. I was talking about getting the liquid metal OUT from under BGA chips after it's already messed up.

  • @urbanmec993
    @urbanmec993 3 года назад +7

    wow liquid metal really did a mess on the board .... as always great work.

  • @ashleynery8092
    @ashleynery8092 3 года назад +13

    solder sucker or compressed air in the backyard? might be quicker re removing liquid metal? never touched the stuff myself though

    • @BlackGymkhana
      @BlackGymkhana 3 года назад +1

      compressed air may push liquid metal under ICs...

    • @markus98sb
      @markus98sb 3 года назад +1

      I would also use compressed air after cleaning all the visible liquid metal, to push it out from under the bga-chips. he should also try to look under the bga-chips from the side, but that might be hard with a board this crammed.

  • @marcoahernandezgarcia4819
    @marcoahernandezgarcia4819 Год назад

    As far as i know, liquid metal thermal compound is actually a metal alloy which contains gallium, and gallium really loves aluminum. It forms sort of an amalgamate with aluminum, and the speed of intercalation increases with temperature. Many solid capacitors are aluminum based, and i don't know if the multi layered pcb's of the motherboards use aluminum instead of copper for the ground planes and so, but my guess is that any gallium alloy shouldn't be used as thermal conductive compound where aluminum parts are involved, and that includes electronics. Imho. Or what do you think?

  • @gucky4717
    @gucky4717 2 года назад

    I used Liquid Metal once on my CPU. I delidded it, cleaned it, put Liquid Metal on it and resealed (with the gap) the IHS like original. I didn't insulate the SMDs that were under the IHS.
    It was also my first delid and first use of Liquid Metal, but the CPU works for 5 Years now without any Problem. I worked gently, slowly and watched a good Video of doing that beforehand.
    The difference was -10-30°C depending on the Overclock. The TIM on the DIE seemed faulty. It looked like there was an airgap. Of course one can only see it AFTER delidding....
    So it was worth it.
    But watching other RUclipsrs who are shooting Liquid Metal all over, because they cant handle a Syringe gives me goosebumps.

  • @anthony37860
    @anthony37860 3 года назад +44

    Imagine wanting to change thermal paste on a brand new card.😂😂😂😂

    • @lakaldrak
      @lakaldrak 3 года назад +2

      Overclocking i guess. But if have No clue how to do IT yes thats Just dumb

    • @anthony37860
      @anthony37860 3 года назад +2

      @@lakaldrak doesnt sound like this guy know how to do that😂

    • @kalashx2113
      @kalashx2113 3 года назад +4

      To be fair Vram temps on 3090s are reaaally high so i get why he tried to fix it... i just dont understand why you'd work with liquid metal. for the first time it seems. on a damn 3090.😩

    • @triliner254
      @triliner254 2 года назад

      @@kalashx2113 But the VRAM isnt on the GPU die. Still doesnt make sense.

    • @kalashx2113
      @kalashx2113 2 года назад

      @@triliner254 what are you smoking?

  • @Gianluxx
    @Gianluxx 3 года назад +4

    I will continue using MX-4 thermal paste

  • @susilkumar1025
    @susilkumar1025 3 года назад +9

    A neodimium magnet tacked on to a tweezer may help remove scraped off liquid metal

    • @BlackGymkhana
      @BlackGymkhana 3 года назад

      Is liquid metal ferromagnetic?

    • @susilkumar1025
      @susilkumar1025 3 года назад

      @@BlackGymkhana I have no idea

    • @realevostevo
      @realevostevo 3 года назад +1

      I was thinking this as well but I've no experience with liquid metal. Really just curious if a magnet could be effective.

    • @jonsmith5087
      @jonsmith5087 3 года назад +3

      Got some - tried it - non magnetic

    • @susilkumar1025
      @susilkumar1025 3 года назад

      @@jonsmith5087 Good to know that.

  • @ModzvilleUSA
    @ModzvilleUSA 3 года назад +1

    It looks like you're trying to clean up molten solder. What a nightmare

  • @Paradox3713
    @Paradox3713 2 года назад

    I can't believe the owner didn't even bother to go around the GPU die with liquid electrical tape and then letting it dry to protect those components around the die. That is a must!
    And to use so much of it. WTH man? 😳

  • @archie6702
    @archie6702 3 года назад +9

    Looks like the customer washed the motherboard with liquid metal as it is seen all over the board. You have a hell lot of work to do on this board. Hope it is a fix, awaiting to see it fixed soon.

    • @orange11squares
      @orange11squares 3 года назад

      he painted the entire board with liquid metal because he wanted the whole board to be 'cooler'... now it has a 'cool board' ready to be put in a museum.

    • @tezcanaslan2877
      @tezcanaslan2877 3 года назад +1

      @@orange11squares Also he may be the first person on the Liquid Metal Hall of Shame

  • @drunkspeed002
    @drunkspeed002 3 года назад +23

    can ultrasonic cleaner help remove liquid metal? just wondering.

    • @aperson9375
      @aperson9375 3 года назад +6

      As liquid metal is a metal and for liquid properties I believe the surface tension of the liquid metal won't help ultrasonic cleaning.

    • @ChannelJanis
      @ChannelJanis 3 года назад +2

      @@aperson9375 I believe it might also push liquid metal under chips, causing new shorts. this is much safer way.

    • @seephor
      @seephor 3 года назад +2

      I’m thinking a tiny suction device would be ideal. Kind of like the suction they use to remove ear wax or maybe even a solder sucker

  • @996pat
    @996pat 3 года назад +4

    Well i was sure the description said use the Whole tube on 1 GPU.

  • @Britishdude1
    @Britishdude1 2 года назад

    You have to use a dry Q-Tip or swab. No alcohol. Roll the Q-tip over the liquid metal, don't brush or wipe it. That gets it off. Then the remaining tiny traces can be pulled up with an alcohol saturated swab.

  • @bartekr5372
    @bartekr5372 2 года назад

    The point is that unless this card is fixed the customer lost 2k. That makes an opportunity for a cleanup methods testing experience. After phisical inspection and manual cleanup i'd try an compressed air. Sinking it in alcohol may also be an option yet maybe a bit aggressive and may require replacement of capacitors. You can also grab some of this metal and check how it behaves on different board after heated up and treated with alcohol. Maybe you will find a method to reduce it's stickiness so it can be efficiently blown off or brushed off. As soon as it get's under bga ofc.

  • @JoshuaG
    @JoshuaG 3 года назад +5

    Thats why i never use liquid metal , i stick to "Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut" paste , even though it doesnt perform the same level as liquid metal , at least its better than stock factory thermal paste ❤❤❤

    • @DiJAndy
      @DiJAndy 3 года назад +1

      I agree

    • @JackC92
      @JackC92 3 года назад +3

      I also agree 👍

    • @TheJirkal
      @TheJirkal 3 года назад +2

      LM has some advantages, 12.5 W/mK vs 73 W/mK is not just a marginal improvement + liquid metal does not degrade as much

    • @JoshuaG
      @JoshuaG 3 года назад

      @@TheJirkal I know , but the risk of losing your thousand dollar hardware is too high of a risk 💔, unless that person is experienced in applying LM and taking precautions❤️

    • @TheJirkal
      @TheJirkal 3 года назад +2

      @@JoshuaG Thats what it makes so exciting, higher the stakes more exciting it is ...

  • @nosarcasm1
    @nosarcasm1 3 года назад +4

    Don't touch a running system! Good old windows advice!

  • @Silvia0073
    @Silvia0073 3 года назад +4

    Liquid metal is fantastic but it's definitely NOT for the average joe.

    • @VivekSingh-nl6hs
      @VivekSingh-nl6hs 3 года назад

      For a difference of 2-3 degrees naaahh .. it's stupid

  • @GerrDitrih
    @GerrDitrih 2 года назад

    That was one hell of a mess. The amount of substance required is actually just a single droplet, not a whole tube. Those smd capacitors usually has to be covered with nail polish.

  • @ThatOne5
    @ThatOne5 2 года назад

    Use tooth brush and isopropyl alcohol a lot! and before reapplying it cover the components with waterproofing urethane conformal coating then cure it and check it with UV light and re-apply it till you get it completely covered.

  • @mimizdani8194
    @mimizdani8194 2 года назад +3

    Where is part 2?

  • @Snecho
    @Snecho 3 года назад +37

    Oof, this is exactly why I never liked liquid metal

    • @cristikreatine
      @cristikreatine 3 года назад +4

      i used and no problem you ned just a very small drop and carefully stretch it to all dye he used to mutch

    • @Snecho
      @Snecho 3 года назад +1

      @@cristikreatine Problem is you also need to take your whole PC apart to change it around every 4 months

    • @cristikreatine
      @cristikreatine 3 года назад +1

      @@Snecho yes 4 to 6 month you are wright

    • @nguyenson7073
      @nguyenson7073 3 года назад +1

      I've been using liquid metal for years, rarely have to replace, it does dry when you take apart to check, but the cooling capacity is still way better than normal paste

    • @Ownage4lif31
      @Ownage4lif31 3 года назад +3

      @@Snecho so does that mean all ps5s are screwed in half a year? 😂

  • @dope002
    @dope002 3 года назад +6

    Liquid metal removal = magnet, neodymium pref.

  • @mouthfulofpeanutbutter9753
    @mouthfulofpeanutbutter9753 3 года назад

    I had a misadventure with liquid metal once. Cleaned it using an airbrush filled with isopropyl alcohol. 25-30psi.

  • @breeless540
    @breeless540 2 года назад

    Hi North!
    Im mostly a silent viewer but might help here: Everytime i want to remove Liquid metal i use a Syringe to suck most of it up, works wonders!