When The FCC Comes To Your Door
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The FCC knocked on my door in much the same way. I was a novice (WN0JRV) operator with a vertical on the roof. They were tracking down aircraft band interference. We were a mile south of the ILS approach to Stapleton so in bad weather, there was a lot of aircraft traffic. They asked if I had any equipment on VHF which I did not. I even showed them the coax from the antenna was coiled up in the window well and was under leaves and other debris. They told me the frequency of interest and how it was a continuous carrier. I figured out right away who was the culprit. A neighbor two doors down was a private pilot and had an aircraft antenna on his roof. They went down to his house and had his wife unplug his aircraft radio, killing the interference. I knew it was him because the frequency was 10.7 Mhz below the control tower frequency at Jefferson county airport and the local oscillator was in the navigation aid part of the aircraft band. I was 14 at the time and they were amazed I figured it out. As a radio tech for a large metropolitan fire department, I know how the FCC is very protective of aircraft and public safety interference issues.
73,
KC0KP
And they are fast about it to. They have one day to respond to public safety interference complaints.
" I was 14 at the time and they were amazed I figured it out. "
-And I would have gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for those meddling kids!
LOL
Good job!
So you just told everyone that you are a snitch. Where I come from snitches end up in ditches.
@@rigger4695 Not sure where your from but around here we report interference and jamming to the FCC, work with them to direction find the offender and let them handle it and if need be the FCC passes it on to the Justice Department. It's a repeater owners responsibility to monitor for inappropriate use of their repeaters.
@@mikesradiorepair First it's "You're". Second I am from America and can give a rats ass about the FCC or the Justice Department. I'll use my radio's as I see fit and no one is gonna tell me or stop me from doing so. And I have absolutely no issue hurting a snitch.
Basically, a big J pole antenna in the house. Lol
HBO came in terrific though.
great video and I love it when you have Randy on your channel to hell with the whinny babies that can't handle you and Randy being friends and doing some videos together.
And if you say no they should be forbidden from fining you or taking your license until they prove, in a court of law, that you are the problem.
I expect the inside amp was overdriven and its output was clipping, so broadband harmonics.
YEP!
Plus possibly a shield on some coax not making up.
Thank a bunch Josh and Stephen for the great story about RFI
Really the cable company should have been more on top of things. They (at least now) have a signal (usually at airband frequencies) inserted into the cable plant that they are able to detect with leakage detectors. And are required by the FCC to drive out and fix leaks caused by their system. It is crazy it got to the FCC first.
As the owner and driver of a Chrysler from the 1970s, I take issue with being compared to a Sovereign Citizen nutter.
Excellent job. I hope this calms down the conspiracy theorists.
You have have thought hearing Saterday morning cartoons in the cabin headset would have been a clue 🕵️♀️ hihi
These days they don't wear a suit and a tie. Every Enforcement Bureau Agent I have ever spoken with in the last year or two was wearing a Polo shirt and dress slacks these days. The EB Attorney and Agents were all a pleasure to work with regarding our jamming complaint. Very professional group of people to work with.
The FCC can’t even do anything to the mud duck in the desert that chokes up Chanel 19
That duck 🦆 is doing better bear foot than most hams lol
These jack booted enforcement tales are similar to paintball, another hobby of mine. I hear "We used to freeze the paintballs and shoot them through plywood/ cause wounds/ knock people out, etc..."
No you didn't.
Lmao. Yes.
You would really have to crank up the gas flow for that kind of damage. Maybe some old quarter inch rotten OSB or paneling could be punched through.
This is why reading comprehension is so Important. The regulations say you just let fcc inspection your station to BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR LICENSE. It dosent say the fcc or feds are allowed to come in your house without a warrant. You can always say no and demand a warrant no matter what the circumstance are.
This is why 4th and 5th grade social studies is important people!
Sure you can. They really don't need one, they will just send you a violation letter. They have the evidence of what the problem they were there to address to begin with. Try that with a broadcast station.
It seems to me that most of the time they send a letter to
the suspected violator. They give you a certain amount
of time to respond with an expiation. It seems pretty
rare they come knocking on anyone's door. Good
video. KF6EWO
Been a lot of Black hawks and white vans lately lol
I'll just bring my baofeng to the door
When the FCC was reminding people a few years ago that using radio in criminal activity was a crime I was thinking that it was the in for a penny, in for a pound situation.
I remember a tale from a Ham friend of mine where he started noticing a lot of "civil traffic" on his repeater, which sits at his home. Very weird and alarming chats there. He from time to time came on the air reminding them about license, FCC and stuff, not to avail. Then he noticed the traffic came obviously on the input frequency, but they were not actually using the repeater but the input frequency as a Simplex channel. Then, it turned out they were on a high elevation city, miles away, operating a drug sales point.... He then reported that. After a time, the operation ceased.
a great reason to have tones required to activate the repeater.
Well, said Josh
An interesting video. Thanks.
Dude... the glasses.... I couldn't hear a word you said... the glasses.... 😯😯😯😯
You got flak for having Randy on?? Notarubicon rocks - your channel and his are among my favorites. Maybe those who don't like him should try to develop their sense of humor.
Great story!
Very early in my ham career had had some trouble with my HF station causing interference on my cable tv. I would eventually do some serious grounding of my home and radio stations but I was still having the influence. By this time I would have welcomed the the FCC for assistance however did find the problem. It turned out that the desk microphone gain was set way too high! The hand mic had no problems but the desk microphone did. I turned down the gain on the desk mic and have not had any problems since!
Recently Retired FCC Federal Agent & RF Engineer here. This video is correct.
We are often accompanied by a local law enforcement officer if the visit concerns a probable pirate radio station or some other possible criminal activity.
Thank you to all the hams who behave well on the air and even monitor the airwaves for possible foreign operatives.
73, Bart N3GQ
Nowadays, EVERY fed agency and dept. maintains a SWAT team. Not that they show up
to everyone’s house with a
SWAT team, TV crew and armored cars and tanks, at
0500HRS.
Of course not.
But- the FBI has garnered a
really bad reputstion for doing
just exactly that. Over simple,
process “crimes”. Not even
talking about “crime-crimes.”
Example: Huge backlash story
was last year, they showed up
at 5am to take down a middle
aged church pastor and family
with wife and 8 kids.
A full year AFTER…
The pastor got a ticket for praying outside an abortion
factory.
Not the only one…
ATF just got themselves some attention for a 6am raid that included a fire fight with an airport executive and an officer being injured.
@@cw2gtc The FCC is not a law enforcement agency, its function is regulatory.
Not all government agencies have "SWAT" teams.
@@cw2gtc "abortion factory" - you're telling on yourself lol
The cable off a pole is supposed to come to the house and straight down to a grounding block BEFORE entering the house for safety. That is why it comes into the basement.
Proof once again the “ cable guy” is higher up than a “ amateur “ 🤣
Those are some goggles!
My dad had a 2KW dentron linear that used to flat top all the local televisions when he was using it (way back in the 70s). The CRTC got called (We're in Canada) and it turned out to be faulty cabling on the utility side that was the problem. It was cool to see the TV behaving like something out of the horror movies. The neighbours were not impressed lol.
Same thing happened to me. I used a 4 way coax distribution amp, but only used 2 connections. The other 2 were unused. A van kept driving by my house. My wife could hear beeping coming from the van as they drove by. They asked to come in, they did not remove it but added several 3 foot cables & splitters on the unused connections. I guess that attenuated the signals? But they could have easily used terminators. When I got home I just removed the amp and never heard from them again. They claimed it could interfere with the Aviation band.
Overdriving an inexpensive CATV DA is a great way to create a boatload of spurious emissions.
Almost every excuse I've heard from 'unlicensed amateurs' is a lie. Its all just excuses to be trashy and lazy and because they're trashy and lazy, they don't bother to do any research.
Let this be a WARNING to the use of signal high power amplifiers. To much amplification and they oscillate, big time. Add the amplification to a bad coax line (unsealed) and now you have a perfect antenna to broadcast your oscillation. In this case I think the oscillations covered a wide spectrum and acted like a military radio jammer. Always seal your coax connections, check them regularly. Make sur your amp doesn't exceed 10dBm amplification without a buffer between stages and use ferrites to numb out the rest. Nowadays there is a plethora of SDR which can be used as a spectrum analyzer to check your work. This way you don't have to listen for the knock on the door.
I'd call that a Risk-cone antenna as far as being the whole house. I wonder how far it ended up broadcasting? 🤣
It must've been one of those moments of gnar for the pilots. Could you imagine flying into New Jersey, and all of a sudden, after telling your crew to set up for final decent, a 90's TV show theme song plays for a blip? It was probably more like a crazy blip of static, but it must've been wide enough to be a problem.
Great video Josh. I wish I could show this to a former coworker that seemed to be convinced that the FCC will knock on my door with a S.W.A.T. team because I was using Baofengs on FRS and MURS frequencies before I realized they were ham radios.
if you had them set for the legal power limits, I doubt there would be much attention given. Now if you were using 5 watts on a half watt channel for an extended period, you might get some attention, but unless you are basically on top of an FCC field office, someone would have to be complaining.
@@javabeanz8549 honestly I don't remember what power setting I had them at. More than likely I had them set for high power since I didn't know any better back then. That was about two years ago.
@@DarkShadowCustoms Okay, I still don't think it would draw much attention, unless you were wiping out someone a couple miles away that you couldn't hear. I was just using a couple GMRS walkies on FRS channels, and they are already programmed to switch to low power on 8 through 14. I don't think the UV-5R has that programmed in. while the UV-5G, GMRS-9R and such do. We hear lots of whining about CCRs (Cheap Chinese Radios) but we are on UHF, so near line of sight only, and unless you are above the general altitude of the land around you, five miles is pushing the range at five watts. We did ten miles with no problem at five watts, but we could see each other's locations, as my brother in law was about 1,200 feet above the valley floor, at a lookout tower. And even IF someone decided to complain, you would probably only get a letter in the mail, or maybe your employer would if you were using them at work. I should really get my network analyzer figure out so that I can see if they put out any spurious radiation. I have a UV-5R and a TIDRADIO H-3 here that I could test, alongside my UV-5G, UV-5G Plus, GMRS-9R and TIDRADIO H-8 (GMRS type accepted it says on the back.)
So true that they don’t enforce. We tailed a guy harassing people on the air while mobile. We have recordings, pictures, and his license plate. He’s been doing this for years. Still waiting. One guy is now going through the local sheriff to get a protection order.
Good question! Why don't they enforce? I've been asking myself that for years. What I don't understand is that we're all familiar with the garbage that goes on, on 75 m, 7.200, 14.313 ECT. All licensed Amateurs are issued a call sign, so you would think it would be that easy. But no, it continues. They really need to shut those lids down. They're an embarrassment to the Amateur radio community.
Come back with a warrant. especially if you’re not doing anything illegal Do not physically resist. Don’t spoil the massive massive settlement they end up forking from the law suit. Do not give consent unless you are being detained and know it will help absolve you from wrongdoing.
That’s fine. Just know you might be forfeiting your license.
Friend installed a TV remote extender for someone that lived next to an airport. Before he got back home he gets a call from the customer that said the FCC just showed up and demanded that he shut that thing off and leave it off! Of course as soon as they left he turns it back on. They came back the second time with two local cops and SIEZED the remote extender. lol I guess it was causing some problems. :)
In the UK law enforcement have no powers whatsoever to inspect or confiscate radio equipment. It has to be a representative of OfCom, the Office of Communications
I'm very surprised that this did not show up on the cable systems annual leakage report that they have to file with the FCC. I know this filing well since I'm responsible for it where I work.
Ironically, the issue was indeed the amplifier. Amps for cable are not the same as amps for traditional VHF/UHF TV receivers. Very specific amps for cable are always configured as a combination of a 4 way splitter (with each a 7db drop which is then amplified) The TV antenna amplifier was specifically intended to boost the gain of the signals received from the loop or bunny ears they would be connected to... his amp was an airwave antenna amp, not a cable tv signal booster.
Congrats on his new license. I just got mine granted last night.
Thanks Josh! Your RUclips videos were super helpful in passing the Technician’s exam.
KO6EIL
Awesome! Thank you!
You tell em’ to pound sand. (Insider secret).
The FAA routinely flight checks instrument approach procedures with specially equipped aircraft. They are insuring the ground based navigation signals are proper and not being interfered with. It is possible that your guest had his general location provided to the FCC by the well meaning efforts of the FAA.
I wonder what primary frequency the rfi was on ?
Is it just me or are the recent discouraging and offensive comments a new phenomenon in the ham space? What gives?
Thank you for a great story and video.
I have a antenna amplifier and I made my own antenna for it can I pick up 34 TV stations on antenna and I do have FCC license just got to have a filter on no airfares using radios for 30 years lol
Josh-
Do you happen to have a Ham Study for the General license like you have for Tech one?
No general yet.
@@HamRadioCrashCourse i recommend your tech one to newcomers all the time. One of the best resources I used at any price. You make one for general and I'll get you some viewers.
Thank you! I will get it up. I'm just always busy!
Cable companies use frequencies that are on the air, such as aircraft, public safety, etc, and when there are no leaks, there are no problems. When RF leaks on a cable system, the cable company, it is the cable companies responsibility to correct this. This is usually done with a helicopter and receive gear. The FCC has shutdown cable companies until it is fixed. It can affect the not only phone but data. The FCC is right on anyone that interferes with aeronautical and public safety frequencies. They do not come in the middle of the night and if the problem persists, they will re-visit with US Marshals and a search warrant. This almost never happens except in cases or pirates that have been warned. If you aren't interfering with anyone, they don't care.
Quit feeling important people. If things go bad in this country and stuff starts, better say nothing when the freedom fighters are on the move!
All i can hear is Kid Charlemagne and Jeremiah Was A Bullfrog
lol one of my favorite episodes!.. thank you for mentioning that ..im still trying to find the movie Cb-Radio! from the 70s it was on pirate bay a few years ago but it dissapeared again.
very good story ! CATV is a closed shielded system. some how along the wat to the TV the RF was leaving the home. it must been over load of RF into the amp they had. combined with poor shielded coax or RF leaking from a TV. them amps you buy for TV and FM reception are part 95 FCC rules. home oner did nothing wrong. it was the cable company that caused the problem in the first place. being this was TV and maybe internet and maybe cable radio sent from the cable company that got sent out . that makes sense they thought pirate radio station . the cable company at the time may have been analog / digital mix. the aircraft band is just above the FM broadcast band and between VHF TV channels. wounder what was Hurd for interference. look at what happened to radio station WMRI in Florida a SW station and a 17th harmonic getting into air craft radio. took long time to figure that out and ARRL stepping in to help. 73's
Womp womp
I feel like my reaction if the PTB (I'm not in the US) showed up asking about my radio equipment my reaction would be to give them full access and try to help them figure out what the issue is. I personally don't want my equipment interfering with anyone/anything so it would be personally important to me to fix whatever the issue was and I'd see them as being there to help me solve it. Also, when you have that attidude, law/bilaw enforcement doesn't want to wreck your day and fine you when you're being transparent and helpful, asking questions, and doing your best to make their job easier. This is all asssuming you're *not* actually intentionally doing something wrong.
That problem would not have happened if you were running on an outdated system.
The neighborhood "sad ham" turned him in..😂😂
Are you OK with aviation be interfered with?
If your gear is clean and you don't operate out of band......don't worry about the FCC. I hate to say this....but most of the time the "offender" brought it on themselves by doing something illegal that causes lots of interference to others. Don't run dirty junk amplifiers....don't run the mic gain wide open. Don't run some jacked up truck stop special into a multi kilowatt amp and they won't bother you.
I keep thinking the fcc is gonna come knock on my door for connecting my cheap ht to an amp and antenna on 50' mast. The antenna was already here when I moved in. I asked what it was for and when he told me it was for ham, I went and bought a bfang and was given an amp. I got a tech license after the local guys figured out the 1 I was using was not me. I didn't know they could see where ppl live and it was a RUclipsr who is experienced and I was obviously new. Anyway I still only have bfang and the guys from the club know when I'm transmitting without listening. The say I'm the only high power bfang and they can see spikes on other frequencies that are larger than the 5w main from other bfang users a few houses away. Without the amp I can't talk to my friend at his house so I keep using it. He has a proper radio so I never have a problem hearing him.
Baofengs(early ones) have very dirty transmitters and I would NOT feed it into an amplifier!
Alphabet boys showed up and they didn’t even shoot his dog
I do wonder how the supreme court would decide if someone took it to the supreme court as to the FCC's constitutional authority to exist. Give the Roe vs Wade decision, and the Constitution not mentioning communications at all beyond the 1st amendment, would result in a decision destroying the FCC's ability to operate as the Federal gov't had no authority to ever sign any radio related treaty, as they had no authority to regulate the airwaves(or anything else) at all.
The only thing that I wonder - when so many government agencies have gone off the rails crazy at how they enforce things over the last 25 years, how long can we expect the FCC to continue to act at a reasonable and sensible level of enforcement?
From what little coverage I've read on actual FCC enforcement, it sounds like most people that are strongly enforced against are either chronic or egregious violators. The one that immediately comes to mind was some jerk that was jamming either S&R or wildfire fighting or some other group in the northwest that was dealing with active situations out away from urban areas. Basically he was interfering with these public safety officials intentionally and willfully.
So as for flack regarding notarubicon, he may not be wrong about his comments on FCC enforcement, but he's not someone that I care to interact with or to see at all. He lives to bait people, even on the GMRS forums for the service that he claims to support. He's not worth your time. He's probably even causing harm to the radio community through his attitude. Just because he's not wrong on that one topic doesn't mean that working with him will be beneficial to you or to your audience.
Appreciate the comment and candid input. Thanks.
I believe the person in the northwest was actually trying to divert an aircraft dropping fire retardant to his location.
I get Randy Notarubicon’s humor, but he foments some real hatred for ham radio operators.
You guys whining about NotaRubicon crack me up. I’ve only watched a handful of his videos, the ones I saw were informative and funny. It’s called humor, try it sometime. I’m sure you’re fun at parties……
@@ROBIN_SAGE I don’t think anyone was whining. I get his humor, but many of his viewers don’t.
I didn't realize this was a problem. LOL
Double up amps like that. Oh yeah, it can create interference that sounds like was interfering with planes on approach.
Ok, but HOW did they figure out that it was the TV cable amplifier if he wasn’t yet a radio guy, and didn’t have a clue, and they didn’t know either, and they didn’t even come inside???
Watch the video 🤷🏼♀️ The FCC knocks on doors for people that aren’t radio operators that light have devices causing interference. It happens more than you think.
@@HamRadioCrashCourse … Oh yeah, of course I watched the whole video. My question though was HOW would they know it was the cable TV amplifier without going inside the house, especially since he wasn’t a radio guy yet, and might not have even thought to mention it. The TV amplifier was “out of sight, out of mind”, right? I’m just wondering how they would have zeroed in on that particular device, when they hadn’t seen it, and when he wasn’t yet technologically knowledgeable enough to offer that up as a possible culprit…
I’m guessing, that at that time, maybe ten years ago, if the user didn’t have radios, the cable box would be the next question to ask. The FCC investigators do this as their jobs, so I assume they know what things to look out for. Assuming wires going into the basement from a pole could be an indicator as well.
Yes! Why don't they enforce? We're all familiar with the lids on 75 m, on 7.200 14.313. all amateurs are issued to call sign, these lids have call signs but yet they're still on the air. WTF!
Anyone that comes to your door have zero right to do anything without a warrant and they have to clearly identify themselves.
Which is why I said you can say "No". So you agree, amateur radio operators don't give away their 4th amendment rights.
They want my Baofengs that don't have an FCC logo.
lol, no they don’t.
Don't talk to the feds.
Read the regs. first.
How long does it require for this guy to tell his story?
About the length of the video.
And that was the short version.
@@HamRadioCrashCourse Which was too long to tell a one minute story.
Where is the rule written that Liberal glasses have to be as complex and dorky as possible? Just say'en/
I remember his old channel when he was posting AK build videos, don’t think he’s the Libby you were looking for!😂
@@burndup8300 LOL - I hope not, but I'm still getting a slight Wojak vibe. ; )
Bro, I’m an end boss in the fight for personal freedoms. Unless you’re referring to me as a classical liberal, any other kind of lib hard no.
I am very confident in myself and I don’t mind wearing things I like. Bonus points for making people online have an emotional response. 😅
I never got the liberal vibe at all from HRCC but those glasses definitely give a bit of Elton John vibe. But to each there own, if he likes them...
@@mrbyamile6973 Yeah, maybe I should have wrote "Elton Jon vibe" instead of Liberal - lol ; )
i have 4.1 watts. im in trouble...
It's not a funny story, why does he keep laughing ?
Oh, it's because I'm a radio operator and understand what was happening by adding a tremendous amount of coax and two amps on the line.
@@HamRadioCrashCourseyou mean leaky coax with an amp in front of it acts like a small broadcast tower? ;0)
@@javabeanz8549there are cases where the shield of the coaxial cable can radiate RF energy.
@@HamRadioCrashCourseJust odd to see such sustained laughter over a dirty amp and/or coax. But hey, if it tickles you that much, enjoy.
It does and did. 😅👍
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