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Wow I never make it this recent to a video premiere, I’m just about to start making RUclips videos. I wanted to start before the new year even began but of course life happens; either way I just gotta say thanks for all the videos you make man, first videos I ever saw were juuni taisen and your series on koe no kotachi Again just thanks for all the stuff you make and please keep trying to tell people in a respectful way, the way you see the world, it’s great. And I hope to see more 🤟
i'-' i prefer this over that car shit team work moving together bullshit they pulled but honestly the new stages are not as eye popping as the old stages were feel less imaginative hell PRINCESS PEACH CAKE WAS A STAGE....
It seems like that yearly/biyearly deadlines really are the death of franchises. Pokemon is suffering from the same problem: they're formulaic, the people who make them have been doing it for 20 years and are tired, and they're under tight deadlines. Modern games need more time in the oven, we shouldn't expect yearly releases and neither should corporate executives.
Half the time with Pokémon specifically, it feels like they're already making the next game before whatever new title is hitting the shelf. As much as I can't stand the later Call of Duty games, at least they're developed by a cycle of three studios. It gives them a bit more time to do things, even with a yearly release schedule.
Hudson Soft handled the yearly release schedule pretty well as far as I'm concerned. They even put out two games in the same year, and both were good. The problem from what I can tell stems from NDCube putting more focus on presentation than anything else, considering how good these games look and feel. I don't have an issue with better graphics especially since it's a nice break from a lot of Switch games I've seen that look like deuce. But I'm pretty sure the devs don't get enough time to balance or flesh the game out as a result of it.
@@josechamu240 I know I use to watch his videos then I remeber the one he posted when he was in a room with a half naked lady on a bed in the background. Can't remember what he was talking about but it was a vlog style. Guy was full of himself
What sucks is that the minigame department has been pretty fuckin awesome across all of them. It's so weird that they can make awesome minigames with their own environments and gameplay options, but they decide not to add like 2 paths branching off the 1 main path to a boo space or a silly board event or some shit. It is quite frustrating.
NDcube actually knows how to make minigames. If you look at their past titles, they had a lot of experience making minigames for party games....problem is....they were given full reign of Mario Party. I do think if another team can handle the map design as well as some of the direction, they wouldn't receive much criticism today
The rng bonus stars would be really cool if in-game the toad announcer would hype up one of the three "chosen" bonus stars. Like maybe on turn 1, he would say the coin star is a hot star this game or something like that. and then on 1/3rd of turns in, he reveals the second one, and 1 half of the turns in he opens up the last one. Bonus points if after activating you can then see them in the pause screen, It's little things like that that are always missing from rushed games.
I thought they were fine in the earlier games, and having the option to turn them on or off based on preference means everyone is happy. IMO you can't really be mad about extra options if you have the ability to use them or not use them.
I think you're totally right about the Mario Party staff having to rush games too much and not getting the chance to properly flesh out ideas, and this video made me realize that it's a problem that's existed even before the 2010s Mario Party games. Remember Mario Party 5's Super Duel Mode, which was about making custom vehicles and then engaging in combat with them? Also remember Mario Party 5's Card Party? Remember all those weird minigames in Mario Party 8's Extra Mode, like the 30 player racing game? Isn't it a little nuts how the team came up with at least one puzzle minigame for every single Mario Party (Piece Out, Mario's Puzzle Party, Bob-omb Breakers)? Like the Mario Party staff keeps coming up with an insane amount of great ideas, but they never get the chance to properly realize them.
Yup, definitely. I'd love if there were 1 or maybe 2 really well developed Mario Party type games per generation. I genuinely believe these developers could make a party game masterpiece if given the time to do so.
@@Lowart well it has been over two years since Super Mario party was release and, seeing that NDcube hasn't made any games ever since I am predicting that a new one will be released in late 2021 or early 2022 giving them over three years to make a game more than enough time to make a good party so I hope the next one will be great.
@@Lowart Ever since Hudson Soft got kicked by Nintendo the games were never the same. Mario Party 8 was the last game Nintendo allowed Hudson Soft full control over. Then Nintendo Decide Mario party Games can not be original only Generic and Stale.its the same fate as the Paper Mario franchise. Shigeru Miyamoto is the problem anything Mario related he calls the shots look at Mario Odyessy that was not him Shigeru Miyamoto has the only say which Mario games get creative liberty other Mario games do not get it.
I'm glad you mentioned about many Hudson Soft staff going to ND Cube. Its one of the things I feel everyone forgets to mention or don't know about when talking about ND Cube and Mario Party
Something about the sleek fonts and calm narrator voice in Super Mario Party also makes the game feel very corporate and cash-grabby instead of like hectic, mini-game playing, friendship ending fun
I agree, because while I thought Super Mario Party's gameplay was decent for the most part, the generic style made the game a lot more boring to me than it would've been if it had the wacky style of the Hudson Soft era games. I have warmed up to the game since then, but if there are two things that I still don't like about it it's the stripped down classic party mode, and it's boring artistic style. *Edit:* I just played the game for the first time in a while and I think I was too harsh when I first wrote the comment, because it really isn't a bad game and it isn't impossible to have fun with it, and it's style isn't as bland as I remember it, though I do still think the classic party mode is a bit too stripped down.
Honestly, I have to disagree with the idea that Mario Party is dead. It’s fluctuated wildly in quality over the years and got off to a rocky start. It took them five games to get rid of the Coin Star, a bonus that de-incentived spending money to move the game forward. People didn’t like the formula shakeup in 9 and 10, even though the car mechanic was handled well in 9 on account of the boards (10 did not do this, so it sucked. Yes, I actually like Mario Party 9). As for Super Mario Party, it’s main issue was a lack of content. It was pretty mechanically sound, I liked the presentation even though some people find it bland, and it combined some old and new ideas. ‘Course, the old games are still available to play and enjoy if you don’t like the modern ones. But keep in mind, it’s hard to say that MP is “dead” because it’s hard to judge it like any other series. Mario Party is basically shorthand for “random luck-based bullshit”, and while it can be fun, it’s hardly a serious affair, right down to trying to critique it.
Mario Party DS is always going to be my absolute favorite, played every single mode for AT LEAST 10 hours and I have at least 60 hours total. It was my go to "car ride" game for literally years, love it to death especially with friends
@@personalover249 Hell no man, I've still got my old cart that was somehow able to survive going through both the washing machine and the dryer with minimal damage
The conclusion made me think about Pokemon recently, they also need time, but Gamefreak want to push a new game every year making the game quality questionnable like Mario Party , both newer games are alright but just not breathtaking. For Pokemon I'm unsure if it will be back to what it was before because of how much money the merchandises does but for Mario Party I do have a little hope since I don't remember Mario Party having merch, anime or anything yearly... Let's just hope this serie come back from the ashes.
Yeah, the problem with Pokemon is that the merch is in control. The Pokemon Company have shareholders, those shareholders want profits on their investment, that means TPC needs to sell new plushies/trading cards and that means GameFreak needs to crank out new games, with speed prioritised over quality. It's notable that one of the few really good things about Sword and Shield was the Pokemon designs. Almost as if the suits only wanted the designs and didn't allow sufficient resources to the developer to actually make they game they wanted to make.
Well unlike Mario Party, in terms of game directors, Pokémon has gone through a real director succession recently for major iterative entries. While a lot of people blame Masuda for the series' downfall, ironically he was responsible for the framework of fan favorite generations 3 through 5, but has taken a seatback with Oomori (Tajiri the 3rd lol) responsible for the last few key entries. RG/GS - Satoshi Tajiri RS/FRLG/DP/BW/XY/LGPE - Junichi Masuda HGSS - Shigeki Morimoto (B2W2 - Takao Unno) ORAS/SM/SS - Shigeru Oomori
I think that you kind of skipped over the real culprit to focus on just one aspect of it. The time crunch is definitely a large problem, but it really just amplifies the real issue, which is burnout. If the developers all got three times as long to make each game, the end products would definitely be a lot more polished. But the developers would still be just as likely to get tired of working on the same games over and over. So you'd probably end up with each game having even larger departures from the ones that came before. And some people would definitely still be happy with those games, since they would be good games, but there would probably also be plenty of people complaining about how each new game is nothing like the one they liked. So I think the solution is to not only increase the amount of time between each game, but to also let the developers create some entirely different games between each party game release.
One of the most notorious examples is the original Tomb Raider series by Core Design. The first game was a massive hit, so Eidos requested a sequel by the end of 97. Perfectly okay, just take the tweak-and-improve approach and boom. Then they requested another one by the end of 98, which resulted in Core hiring a separate staff team to work on the third game to give the original team more time to make a next-gen Tomb Raider game for the 1999 holiday season. It was too much, which lead to The Last Revelation ending on Lara pretty much getting killed. That didn't stop Eidos from requesting more games, leading to an uninspired fifth entry, and a really bad sixth game that almost killed the series. I personally love old school Tomb Raider, with 1, 3 and 4 being particular favourites of mine, but man I would have been exhausted having to work on so many sequels in time crunching deadlines.
Honestly, I have to disagree with the idea that Mario Party is dead. It’s fluctuated wildly in quality over the years and got off to a rocky start. It took them five games to get rid of the Coin Star, a bonus that de-incentived spending money to move the game forward. People didn’t like the formula shakeup in 9 and 10, even though the car mechanic was handled well in 9 on account of the boards (10 did not do this, so it sucked. Yes, I actually like Mario Party 9). As for Super Mario Party, it’s main issue was a lack of content. It was pretty mechanically sound, I liked the presentation even though some people find it bland, and it combined some old and new ideas. ‘Course, the old games are still available to play and enjoy if you don’t like the modern ones. But keep in mind, it’s hard to say that MP is “dead” because it’s hard to judge it like any other series. Mario Party is basically shorthand for “random luck-based bullshit”, and while it can be fun, it’s hardly a serious affair, right down to trying to critique it. As for time, blame capitalism for pushing products based on what they think people want, and squashing innovation.
Rushed games aren’t doomed to be bad, since there will still be at least a glimmer of good intentions, if they were there. Sonic 06 was rushed, but fans saw enough potential to make their own remaster of it, smoothing out the rougher edges.
@@LeopoldLitchenstein Yeah... except for the small roster, and the lack of game modes and digital game boards - as _Super Mario Party_ has the better roster, game mode and digital game board selection.
@StevenVillman The roster sucks in Superstars, yeah. Boards in Super were pretty boring to me honestly, I get that Superstars had only old boards but at least they're fun to play on (plus I never played the old games so they were new to me)
Damn, this was such a cool video. Starting out with a simple, silly premise that morphs into a nuanced criticism of rushed development cycles was really dope. My favorite was also always MP6 and your analysis of the gameplay was super cool and put into words the vague feelings I had about the flaws of the more recent games. Subscribed :)
While true that's not the problem with Mario Party as its quality only plummeted after the series stopped receiving annual releases. It's clearly the new developer NDcube.
Deadlines or giving the wrong studio or wrong people to work on em. Want an example? Star Wars Sequels. Given to people who don't even know what makes Star Wars "Star Wars". At least the side series were given to people who knew what they are doing.
@@MrAsh1100 In the vide, he states NDcube's president and a bunch of its staff has been working on Mario Party since the N64, so your Star Wars sequel analogy doesn't work.
@@Gaspe19 In the video he states that NDcube is comprised of mostly people who have worked on mario party since the N64, so no its not the fault of NDcube since their the same people that made games like Mario Party 6.
Nintendo killed it by selling it as bare bones as it is without giving it any meaningful content. Accompanied by tiny maps that give out coins like it’s fuckin Christmas and stars are on every literal corner.
sigh nintendo. It's the same case with Pokemon. Developers are pushed by higher-ups to meet a deadline and they can never truly add the polish and soul to their games :/ it's such a shame
@@AbandonedVoid It’s *bad* because it’s nonfunctional in too many ways. Even if it worked it’d just be OK as far as open world RPGs go, a step back from Witcher 3.
Mario Party 6 is so good, even after all these years. I agree that it's the best Mario Party game mostly because it has the best boards in the series, has orbs/shops, and the day/night mechanic is actually really neat.
Yeah, also i find the minigames to be some of the most balanced in the series. Some Mario Party games had minigames with broken controls or lopsided in favor of one team
What about No Man's Sky? I haven't played it so I am not certain about this. However according to Internet Historian's video about this game it was rushed and received a lot of criticism, but the studio which created it managed to slowly implement more and more features which eventually led to positive reviews.
@@Bibli2311 In my opinion, I don’t like those kind of practices. Video game companies shouldn’t cheat their fans for a bad game, just to implement good stuff later on. Don’t gamers buy games that entertain them? If a game needs to be delayed, I’m fine with it just to have a good game.
I have a 5th suspect, Konami. They bought out and absorbed HudsonSoft, meaning Hudson could no longer make the games, forcing Nintendo to look elsewhere.
Also not to be that person but dice are predetermined in SMP. But I get your point. Although I noticed it more in CO-OP mode. If I needed an odd, my ally would make my roll even. Always some random bs (another thing I noticed is that for bonus stars the “specific ally” bonus star was always the ally that spawned 2nd or 3rd on a map never from an ally phone, something I noticed might not be true)
To be fair, the car DOES have some strategy. for example: rolling a special dice block to juuuuust get yourself the add mini stars space so no one else does or roll a special block to put the car juuuust before a lose mini stars space to almost insure the next player loses stars.(going off of mario party 10's get/lose mini stars if you pass spaces, but maybe you can do something similar in 9 as well since ,as you can see in the video, It looks like the lose mini stars spaces and grouped together) PS: this isn't meant to be "why the car is good" just being fair for the sake of being fair.
One major issue with Top 100 Why the heck did they use such odd amounts for the different games? For a game celebrating the series, how'd it make sense to have like 2 games with just 3 minigames but one with like 15? Sure maybe not every game has 10 great ones, but shouldn't they have at least tried to make things a little more even?
My main issue is that BUTTON MASHERS happened to be one of them. There were a lot of questionable ones in Top 100 actually but that one is the most egregious since no one liked that game in 5 since you could potentially break your controller and it is even worse here since you can potentially destroy your whole 3DS.
Your description of Star Rush was really accurate! It’s actually one of my favorite 3DS games, but I feel not a lot of people like it because they compare it to the other games too much. For what it is, it’s a great game. It has its flaws, some big some small, but in the end I like it for what it is.
My favorites were 6 and 7 because the orbs were amazing and I loved how 7 had specials and 8 players lol 4 and 5 were really solid as well Sadly I never played 1-3 need to do that! 11 needed more dlc and 9 and 10 don’t exist to me 😂
What? A videogame that's supposed to be played at your own house with your friends in close proximity is dead in 2021? *Gee, I wonder what's up with that!*
@@Lowart Absolutely did! ^^ I really love the way this vdeo was structured - the whole 'suspect' narrative made for an incredibly gripping video that I was eager to continue after my haircut. Very good discussion is held that feels unbiased, and doesn't leave things on too much of a downer. Again, hats off my friend! You earned a sub. :)
@@Gaspe19 F-Zero was killed because Nintendo isn't willing to admit that Sega knows how to make a better high-speed racing game than them (read: GX). Star Fox was killed because they've only ever used that series to test or expand on new tech or hardware. SF1? 3D tech. 64? Rumble pak. Adventures? Reskinned Zelda clone. Command? DS Touch pad. Zero? Wii U touch pad. (I omit Assault because it's honestly the only outlier I can think of other than the 64 remake and I actually honestly have always liked that game)
Interestingly enough super smash bros and mario kart series have been the same for over a decade and they are best selling nintendo games + no one complains that there arent significant changes in new games in the series.Well its because of the old saying "if it aint broken dont fix it".
@@Gaspe19 oddly enough, This almost kills the Donkey Kong saga right after Nintendo sold Rareware to Microsoft and if it weren't for Retro Studios, Donkey kong country would be as dead as the Wario land series
nice to hear some praise for Mario Party 6. it's also my favourite for how it changed up the star purchase. and the orbs were actually one of my favourite mechanics to screw my friends over. now i'm lonely but is was worth it!
- Honestly, I have to disagree with the idea that Mario Party is dead. It’s fluctuated wildly in quality over the years and got off to a rocky start. It took them five games to get rid of the Coin Star, a bonus that de-incentived spending money to move the game forward. People didn’t like the formula shakeup in 9 and 10, even though the car mechanic was handled well in 9 on account of the boards (10 did not do this, so it sucked. Yes, I actually like Mario Party 9). As for Super Mario Party, it’s main issue was a lack of content. It was pretty mechanically sound, I liked the presentation even though some people find it bland, and it combined some old and new ideas. ‘Course, the old games are still available to play and enjoy if you don’t like the modern ones. But keep in mind, it’s hard to say that MP is “dead” because it’s hard to judge it like any other series. Mario Party is basically shorthand for “random luck-based bullshit”, and while it can be fun, it’s hardly a serious affair, right down to trying to critique it.
the ending made me legit sad. these games, even the games that didnt perform, take a lot of time. these people probably get rushed and destroy their minds in order to get things done, that on top of japan work standards, these people might be in that high % of overworked people in japan.
It's insane how you can murder a game with such a simple formula. All they had to do was switch up mini game ideas have a bunch of boards and that's it. They could simply remake the original trilogy and it would sell and would be way better than Super Mario Party.
Having heard the phrase "Mario Party is dead" so many times, I honestly didn't have very high expectations of this video, especially when the first culprit was listed as the car. But I stuck through, and glad I did, because you really nailed what has precisely "killed" Mario Party. People like to point at NDCube and say it killed the series, yet forget many of Hudson Soft's devs moved over to it. All in all, Mario Party didn't really die all of a sudden, but rather it was a compound of multiple issues that most likely exploded in a way with MP9, and probably continue to this day. Having zero breathing room and doing the exact same thing over and over is bound to result in burnout. The series prints money by the second and as soon as you finish a game, Nintendo comes knocking asking for another one. You have no time to develop these ideas, and you also want to try something new, but the time is not there. Like really, does no one else look at there being FOUR Mario Party's on a SINGLE system, and think that it's a bit much? That's probably why they started switching things up by 6, and every game since has been different in some way. But if we absolutely must point fingers at someone, it's probably Nintendo themselves. Anyway, this was a really good watch, and really made me think about what put Mario Party in this predicament, especially as someone who enjoys almost all of the games (8, 9 and DS are my favorites).
I think the rushing out of games from the same series is what causes alot games to start feeling stale. For instance I think pokemon probably has the same problem, they could make a great game and sword and shield introduced alot great ideas but probably couldnt follow through due to the time involved with transferring to the switch from handheld.
- Rushed games aren’t doomed to be bad, since there will still be at least a glimmer of good intentions, if they were there. Sonic 06 was rushed, but fans saw enough potential to make their own remaster of it, smoothing out the rougher edges. I liked Sword and Shield for the same reasons I like Pokémon in general.
@@diamondminer5459 I agree with you I though Pokémon Sword & Shield were good as well but they weren't amazing either they lacked a post game and a good story and activities to do outside of battle besides making curry. Legends Arceus was better however it introduced new gameplay and had a very good post game and Scarlet & Violet seems to be a mixture of the two.
Not really. Hudson was bought out by Konami (I think) and thus the series was handed to ND Cube. From what I've heard, some of the developers of the early games returned to work on the later ones. That does raise the question on why the later games feel so different (and soulless). Perhaps that team just got sick of making nothing but Mario Party games and thus ran out of ideas? I may never know.
Fascinating stuff, seeing the timeline and what I perceived to be fairly large breaks between 8, 9, 10 and Super really weren’t so long after all. I was startled to be reminded that 8 and DS shared the same year! Connecting Super and the Top 100 to Mario Party 6 and 7 is just as interesting as it is frightening. I’ll keep crossing my fingers for the true return to form. I suppose the only other thing I could’ve added to this video was the way Super Mario Party was marketed as a self-aware “return to the classic style” when we know that isn’t the case
The arbitrary wait times between each turn in super mario party just made the game from mediocre to absolutely unbearably bad to the point where you play it for 2 hours (which is 1 game and about 20% the way through another) and never want to touch it again
Super mario party broke both of my joycons. They were waggled so hard the inner rail malfunctioned and I had to buy a new antenna to fix it, which just ended up making the antenna a lot weaker. To the point where it just misses 1 in 5 inputs when used wirelessly. That just made me not want to play it any more.
This is my second time watching this video. I’m really curious if you think Superstars was the cure they needed. They didn’t have to make something new. They took boards from the past, tweaked and remade theme, and they got to take a couple of years not having to develop new boards with new gimmicks.
Just to mention something you may or may not have considered regarding SMP, dice rolls are smaller when compared to older Mario Parties so the coin dynamics are likely factored into that as well. Older Mario Parties would roll a 1-10 with Mushroom items give you a chance to roll from 2-20. SMP has you roll a 1-6 block with a mushroom adding 3 (5 if golden) to the roll and your partners adding 0, 1, or 2 to the roll as well.
I’m glad someone talked about this. A lot of people I’ve talked to on forums on stuff don’t seem to care much about the series or they say the change to the series was a good thing because they had supposedly done the same thing for 1-8 and DS for like 10+ years straight so it made sense to change things up. Good to see someone else has lot of nostalgia for the series and really does care about its direction rather than viewing it as just another Mario spinoff
Mario Party 9 was my first ever Mario Party and I loved that game as a kid. Even today I love Mario Party 9, probably for nostalgia purposes but still. Edit: Guys the FBI's at my door hel-
Unfortunately, this sounds IDENTICAL to the problem GameFreak is having. Pushing these games out so fast is killing the soul of the people developing these games and, in turn, killing the soul of the games.
I have only ever played 2 mario party games, Mario Party DS and Island Tour. The first was actually a friend's game which I had exchanged (temporarily, mind you) against my own version of Nintendogs. I adored it so much that I would stay up at night to play it and bring my DS everywhere - the first which I didn't really do back then as much as I casually do today. Even though it was infuriating sometimes (piranha plant boss I'm looking at you) I would play it so much and always have fun with almost every aspect of it - even playing the tutorial after several hours of game time just because I could. Unfortunately I lost the card one day and the person didn't give me back my Nintendogs because of that. (Which at the time made me really upset but you know, a game for a game.) The second was actually not planned for, Mario Party had been in my mind for years and I told my parents that it was what I wanted for my birthday gift, but the store they went to didn't have the mario party ds game (which I didn't know was actually a bit old by then), but they saw Island Tour there. Of course, not wanting to come back empty headed, and mistakenly believe that one mario party could replace another, they bought this one and gave it to me. It was an extreme disappointment to say the least. I've had some bad luck with some of the ds/3ds games I've bought over the years, some were boring, some weren't as good as I thought they'd be, etc... But even then I could usually get some value out of them. Island Tour just... Tired me. It was exasperating to play, boring for the most part, involving little strategy over all, you could lose to terrible AIs because of bad luck, the story wasn't very engaging, and so on. I played it so little (with months of pauses between some games sometimes) that I couldn't even tell you why I still don't like it now despite the fact that I still have the game, it was just overall a waste of money, something which I quickly realized to my distress and disappointment, as it had costed quite a lot of money for a game that I barely played or even liked. Tomodachi Life was 3 times more amusing when I was just writing bad lyrics for concerts or waiting for rap time than Island Tour's best feature (the tower you had to climb and avoid electric enemies on, I like minesweeper style games). Edit: My bad, after watching more of the video I realized that I had also played Star Rush for a few weeks after borrowing it in a library. It was a very refreshing game which I quite enjoyed. I do agree on the bad aspects that were brought up, but since I didn't play it all that long the repetitive nature of the mini games and boss was only a minor bother before I had to hand back the card.
There was actually a time when I argued 6 was peak Mario Party. It's still one of my favourites and I'm glad it and 7 have gained more recognition overtime, but my favourite as of recently has become 3 purely for the simple option of being able to speed up board gameplay. That is a Godsend especially since I can't play N64 games at 60Hz.
I'm glad I go on research hunts instead of getting angry at people forever. I've played 5, 7, 8, & DS (I've also played 9, 10, & super) and when playing Superstars, I wonder why the games have become lack luster, or even bad. Superstars is great, but that's only because it's a remake of most mini-game's, and boards we've come to love that have great mechanics, and gimmicks. I thought it was because of Hudson soft disappearing, from not seeing that bee logo pop up anymore, & after some research, I realized that they also made the 64 ones, and they didn't completely disappear, but some migrated, and then not long after coming across this video, which explain a lot. (I'd also liked to sneak in that I feel the GameCube era was their prime, and that I also miss traps)
I would love a Mario Party 1 "Remix" for example. Add a basic item system(one item limit per person), a bank, remix Wario's battle canyon and Peach's birthday cake, remix the spinner minigames, and whatnot. How about a "power crown" rare item that makes a player encounter King Boo when passing Boo (but does NOT summon the King) who could steal from everyone. 30 coins cost for stealing coins and 100 coins for stars?
I started to see the yearly Mario Party starting to get out of control in a Negative way back during the Nintendo GameCube era. Going from 4, 5, 6 and 7 in one console gen was a little too much in my view.
It's insane that there's four games on the GameCube. Granted the N64 had three, but that's a trilogy of games with each following improving on the previous. The GameCube has 4, an uninspired entry, 5, a flawed change of pace, and 6 & 7 which were superb but felt more like tweaks and iterations on 5's ideas as opposed to innovative sequels.
Clubhouse Games 51 Worldwide Classics was a project that NDCube needed. A stop for all the Party based ideas to focus on the minigames, that is what they excel what.
That game was great but I'm kind of sad they just abandoned the whole game the day they released it. Not even a patch to fix things like bowling or the 4 in a row AI. I wouldn't even mind a paid dlc that's like 15 dollars for 10 extra games or something. I just remember having a lot of fun with it the first 2 months the game was released.
The Mario Party game with the most amount of missed potential is definitely Super Mario Party. It went back to the separate movement and classic mechanics. However, it didn’t really do anything new and was lacking in content. The worst part of the game was the online multiplayer. I still wish the game had a fully fleshed out multiplayer with full board game modes instead of the bare bones 3 rotated minigame mode we ended up with.
What you're describing in terms of Star Rush and what navigating the board feels like is basically why i enjoyed Mario Party Advance when I was younger. And unlike Star Rush, Mario Party Advance has a really good traditional Mario Party aesthetic (it even has Kid Koopa), and the cars are purely aesthetic since each character has individual cars they ride in on the board (plus you're allowed to traverse through the board however you want, there isn't a set path you have to follow in a single direction). The only downside obviously is that the game requires a link cable for up to 4 Gameboy Advance systems. There's at least a single player mode though, like in most other Mario Party games.
If Nintendo wanted to revive Mario Party, they should inspire themselves from Japanese GameShows. Also coins and stars in Mario games are supposed to be useful, buy items, accessories, powers, bonus points, clothes, etc:.
Whelp, this sheduele sounds familiar. Yearly releasses are so bad for Nintendo games. Pokemon here begin the main thing for me. They should only do it if they were willing to put more money into it and hiring more staff. Or just give the developers more time
Would love to hear his opinion on Superstars, personally I think Superstars is what Mario Party fans needed after the series was murdered 14 years ago....
Hot take: Mario Party 10 is my favorite MP. Why? Actual parties. It’s easy to take game newbies and throw them on MP10. I’ve only played MP1-6 and MP10, and the only one I owned was MP4. I remember games lasting 2-4 hours. More often than not, we had to call it quits before the game ended. Why did it take so long? Everyone would spend 10 minutes scanning the board, figuring out where they were, where everyone else was, where the star is, and what items they have. This was generally true even when paying close attention, but it’s even worse when someone gets up to grab chips and drinks, as is normal at parties. MP10 has it’s problems: Too linear and not enough worlds. But the party car is great because people can jump right in and figure out their move within a few seconds. Sure, the strategies are simple, but setting the next person up to lose mini-stars is a great way to dunk on your friends. Most of my friends aren’t gamers, so this is my go-to for game night when Settlers of Catan gets a little stale.
People wanted to change things.... Seeing fans treating 9 (and 10 even tho i kinda still despise him) like trash kinda make Mario Party's history tragic.
Discover your channel , thanks to recomendations, I really enjoy the video :) You have a great voice, and I agree with your conclusion, I hope they will have some time I think they might another little issue with mario party : Our expectations , like when they try to change or add new things, people just mostly hate it , because it's not what they used to have, even if didn't enjoy the one on the switch , I enjoy the side modes, the rafting is fun. But like you said it feels rush.
Thanks to everyone for watching and to those who stopped by for the premiere! I hope you enjoy it :)
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Wow I never make it this recent to a video premiere, I’m just about to start making RUclips videos. I wanted to start before the new year even began but of course life happens; either way
I just gotta say thanks for all the videos you make man, first videos I ever saw were juuni taisen and your series on koe no kotachi
Again just thanks for all the stuff you make and please keep trying to tell people in a respectful way, the way you see the world, it’s great. And I hope to see more 🤟
NDCube hinted they’re making another one this year in a tweet.
You didn't talk about Partner Party, the real mode of Super Mario Party
You look sus. I vote Lowart
i'-' i prefer this over that car shit team work moving together bullshit they pulled but honestly the new stages are not as eye popping as the old stages were feel less imaginative hell PRINCESS PEACH CAKE WAS A STAGE....
I'm so glad this was recommended to me, what an awesome analysis man!
Thanks! I'm happy you enjoyed it! ^_^
It seems like that yearly/biyearly deadlines really are the death of franchises. Pokemon is suffering from the same problem: they're formulaic, the people who make them have been doing it for 20 years and are tired, and they're under tight deadlines. Modern games need more time in the oven, we shouldn't expect yearly releases and neither should corporate executives.
Half the time with Pokémon specifically, it feels like they're already making the next game before whatever new title is hitting the shelf. As much as I can't stand the later Call of Duty games, at least they're developed by a cycle of three studios. It gives them a bit more time to do things, even with a yearly release schedule.
It says a lot that the games that don’t do this like LoZ or Smash are way better in terms of quality
You can add Sonic to the list.
Well, people were always okay with it because they just wanted the same thing. Blame capitalism for squashing innovation.
Hudson Soft handled the yearly release schedule pretty well as far as I'm concerned. They even put out two games in the same year, and both were good.
The problem from what I can tell stems from NDCube putting more focus on presentation than anything else, considering how good these games look and feel. I don't have an issue with better graphics especially since it's a nice break from a lot of Switch games I've seen that look like deuce. But I'm pretty sure the devs don't get enough time to balance or flesh the game out as a result of it.
"Mario Party didn't just DIE! It was MURDERED!"
*Gets cleanprincegaming flashbacks*
What ever happened to him?
Lmao same
@@amon__7187 he did the same trash videos
@@josechamu240 I know I use to watch his videos then I remeber the one he posted when he was in a room with a half naked lady on a bed in the background. Can't remember what he was talking about but it was a vlog style. Guy was full of himself
@@amon__7187 Now he's Nerdstalgic, and his content is pretty good.
What sucks is that the minigame department has been pretty fuckin awesome across all of them. It's so weird that they can make awesome minigames with their own environments and gameplay options, but they decide not to add like 2 paths branching off the 1 main path to a boo space or a silly board event or some shit. It is quite frustrating.
RellekEarth exactly. It’s the only reason I come back to MP9. Those minigames are heat.
Mingming
MP8 is the only one I can think of with mostly shit minigames. Which is a shame, because the boards were really good.
Tulu Flulu Hated the motion control minigames even when I was five. Thats why I stuck mainly with DS.
NDcube actually knows how to make minigames. If you look at their past titles, they had a lot of experience making minigames for party games....problem is....they were given full reign of Mario Party. I do think if another team can handle the map design as well as some of the direction, they wouldn't receive much criticism today
MatPat says he wants his thumbnail back
It's mine now, MatPat
Isn't this matpat?
@@TheDeathOfLucifer No, this is Patrick
@@iSomeDood Is this the MatPat?
@@Dedwagon No, this is Patrick!
Bonus stars... one of the greatest crimes of our generation
Rigged, exploitable Chance Time, best deal since monopoly ruined familyhood.
Cold take
The rng bonus stars would be really cool if in-game the toad announcer would hype up one of the three "chosen" bonus stars. Like maybe on turn 1, he would say the coin star is a hot star this game or something like that. and then on 1/3rd of turns in, he reveals the second one, and 1 half of the turns in he opens up the last one. Bonus points if after activating you can then see them in the pause screen, It's little things like that that are always missing from rushed games.
I thought they were fine in the earlier games, and having the option to turn them on or off based on preference means everyone is happy. IMO you can't really be mad about extra options if you have the ability to use them or not use them.
They would be great if they picked 3 random stars at the start and told you what they were so they would be part of your strategy.
Nintendo saw this and said "Ok lets make superstars now."
I’m actually hopeful for Superstars, I’ve wanted something like this since forever.
I think you're totally right about the Mario Party staff having to rush games too much and not getting the chance to properly flesh out ideas, and this video made me realize that it's a problem that's existed even before the 2010s Mario Party games. Remember Mario Party 5's Super Duel Mode, which was about making custom vehicles and then engaging in combat with them? Also remember Mario Party 5's Card Party? Remember all those weird minigames in Mario Party 8's Extra Mode, like the 30 player racing game? Isn't it a little nuts how the team came up with at least one puzzle minigame for every single Mario Party (Piece Out, Mario's Puzzle Party, Bob-omb Breakers)? Like the Mario Party staff keeps coming up with an insane amount of great ideas, but they never get the chance to properly realize them.
Yup, definitely. I'd love if there were 1 or maybe 2 really well developed Mario Party type games per generation. I genuinely believe these developers could make a party game masterpiece if given the time to do so.
@@Lowart well it has been over two years since Super Mario party was release and, seeing that NDcube hasn't made any games ever since I am predicting that a new one will be released in late 2021 or early 2022 giving them over three years to make a game more than enough time to make a good party so I hope the next one will be great.
@@damonlam9145 it wont they seem to be completely unaware of how to make a good mario party game or listen to fan feedback.
@@Gaspe19 you do have a point, Nintendo rarely listens to feedback.
@@Lowart Ever since Hudson Soft got kicked by Nintendo the games were never the same. Mario Party 8 was the last game Nintendo allowed Hudson Soft full control over. Then Nintendo Decide Mario party Games can not be original only Generic and Stale.its the same fate as the Paper Mario franchise. Shigeru Miyamoto is the problem anything Mario related he calls the shots look at Mario Odyessy that was not him Shigeru Miyamoto has the only say which Mario games get creative liberty other Mario games do not get it.
I'm glad you mentioned about many Hudson Soft staff going to ND Cube. Its one of the things I feel everyone forgets to mention or don't know about when talking about ND Cube and Mario Party
Especially with this comment section
Something about the sleek fonts and calm narrator voice in Super Mario Party also makes the game feel very corporate and cash-grabby instead of like hectic, mini-game playing, friendship ending fun
I agree, because while I thought Super Mario Party's gameplay was decent for the most part, the generic style made the game a lot more boring to me than it would've been if it had the wacky style of the Hudson Soft era games. I have warmed up to the game since then, but if there are two things that I still don't like about it it's the stripped down classic party mode, and it's boring artistic style.
*Edit:* I just played the game for the first time in a while and I think I was too harsh when I first wrote the comment, because it really isn't a bad game and it isn't impossible to have fun with it, and it's style isn't as bland as I remember it, though I do still think the classic party mode is a bit too stripped down.
YES!!!
Honestly, I have to disagree with the idea that Mario Party is dead. It’s fluctuated wildly in quality over the years and got off to a rocky start. It took them five games to get rid of the Coin Star, a bonus that de-incentived spending money to move the game forward. People didn’t like the formula shakeup in 9 and 10, even though the car mechanic was handled well in 9 on account of the boards (10 did not do this, so it sucked. Yes, I actually like Mario Party 9). As for Super Mario Party, it’s main issue was a lack of content. It was pretty mechanically sound, I liked the presentation even though some people find it bland, and it combined some old and new ideas. ‘Course, the old games are still available to play and enjoy if you don’t like the modern ones. But keep in mind, it’s hard to say that MP is “dead” because it’s hard to judge it like any other series. Mario Party is basically shorthand for “random luck-based bullshit”, and while it can be fun, it’s hardly a serious affair, right down to trying to critique it.
It was Lowart in the lounge with the candlestick.
how'd you know? :o
@@Lowart Instinct.
I mean they ARE a silent protaginist.
Mario Party DS is always going to be my absolute favorite, played every single mode for AT LEAST 10 hours and I have at least 60 hours total. It was my go to "car ride" game for literally years, love it to death especially with friends
DS is an on-the-go multiplayer masterpiece.
Mine too, I played the absolute crap out of that game with my cousins.
Make sure you didn't pirate it!
@@personalover249 Hell no man, I've still got my old cart that was somehow able to survive going through both the washing machine and the dryer with minimal damage
@@personalover249 Nice meme. But also this game and Mario Kart DS. Oooh boy.
The conclusion made me think about Pokemon recently, they also need time, but Gamefreak want to push a new game every year making the game quality questionnable like Mario Party , both newer games are alright but just not breathtaking. For Pokemon I'm unsure if it will be back to what it was before because of how much money the merchandises does but for Mario Party I do have a little hope since I don't remember Mario Party having merch, anime or anything yearly... Let's just hope this serie come back from the ashes.
Funny thing is that i dont think gamefreak even wants to make pokemon anymore to be truthful.
@@vequest2072 because they have the same issue as the former Hudson people except they are constantly surrounded by pokemon
They tried to branch off. The issue is that upper management is mismanaging lots of stuff as well as the one year bs as usual.
Yeah, the problem with Pokemon is that the merch is in control. The Pokemon Company have shareholders, those shareholders want profits on their investment, that means TPC needs to sell new plushies/trading cards and that means GameFreak needs to crank out new games, with speed prioritised over quality.
It's notable that one of the few really good things about Sword and Shield was the Pokemon designs. Almost as if the suits only wanted the designs and didn't allow sufficient resources to the developer to actually make they game they wanted to make.
Well unlike Mario Party, in terms of game directors, Pokémon has gone through a real director succession recently for major iterative entries. While a lot of people blame Masuda for the series' downfall, ironically he was responsible for the framework of fan favorite generations 3 through 5, but has taken a seatback with Oomori (Tajiri the 3rd lol) responsible for the last few key entries.
RG/GS - Satoshi Tajiri
RS/FRLG/DP/BW/XY/LGPE - Junichi Masuda
HGSS - Shigeki Morimoto
(B2W2 - Takao Unno)
ORAS/SM/SS - Shigeru Oomori
This was such a treat.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see a possible Who killed paper Mario in the future
I.S.
well paper Mario origami king is good
Miamotto killed Paper Mario
@@zipl4sh840 a good game, but another lousy excuse for a paper Mario game.
@@zipl4sh840 good but far from the greatness of the originals.
I think that you kind of skipped over the real culprit to focus on just one aspect of it. The time crunch is definitely a large problem, but it really just amplifies the real issue, which is burnout. If the developers all got three times as long to make each game, the end products would definitely be a lot more polished. But the developers would still be just as likely to get tired of working on the same games over and over. So you'd probably end up with each game having even larger departures from the ones that came before. And some people would definitely still be happy with those games, since they would be good games, but there would probably also be plenty of people complaining about how each new game is nothing like the one they liked.
So I think the solution is to not only increase the amount of time between each game, but to also let the developers create some entirely different games between each party game release.
Agreed.
One of the most notorious examples is the original Tomb Raider series by Core Design. The first game was a massive hit, so Eidos requested a sequel by the end of 97. Perfectly okay, just take the tweak-and-improve approach and boom. Then they requested another one by the end of 98, which resulted in Core hiring a separate staff team to work on the third game to give the original team more time to make a next-gen Tomb Raider game for the 1999 holiday season. It was too much, which lead to The Last Revelation ending on Lara pretty much getting killed. That didn't stop Eidos from requesting more games, leading to an uninspired fifth entry, and a really bad sixth game that almost killed the series.
I personally love old school Tomb Raider, with 1, 3 and 4 being particular favourites of mine, but man I would have been exhausted having to work on so many sequels in time crunching deadlines.
@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 agreed.
@@stellina3970 agreed.
Honestly, I have to disagree with the idea that Mario Party is dead. It’s fluctuated wildly in quality over the years and got off to a rocky start. It took them five games to get rid of the Coin Star, a bonus that de-incentived spending money to move the game forward. People didn’t like the formula shakeup in 9 and 10, even though the car mechanic was handled well in 9 on account of the boards (10 did not do this, so it sucked. Yes, I actually like Mario Party 9). As for Super Mario Party, it’s main issue was a lack of content. It was pretty mechanically sound, I liked the presentation even though some people find it bland, and it combined some old and new ideas. ‘Course, the old games are still available to play and enjoy if you don’t like the modern ones. But keep in mind, it’s hard to say that MP is “dead” because it’s hard to judge it like any other series. Mario Party is basically shorthand for “random luck-based bullshit”, and while it can be fun, it’s hardly a serious affair, right down to trying to critique it.
As for time, blame capitalism for pushing products based on what they think people want, and squashing innovation.
Gotta say, Mario party 7 was my favorite iteration. I played that game non stop with my best friend.
Moral of the story, people need breaks.
Rushed games aren’t doomed to be bad, since there will still be at least a glimmer of good intentions, if they were there. Sonic 06 was rushed, but fans saw enough potential to make their own remaster of it, smoothing out the rougher edges.
Honestly Super Mario Party was so close to the Hudson games that I'm still holding out hope
Thank goodness we now have Superstars which blows Super out of the water for me
@@LeopoldLitchenstein Yeah... except for the small roster, and the lack of game modes and digital game boards - as _Super Mario Party_ has the better roster, game mode and digital game board selection.
@StevenVillman The roster sucks in Superstars, yeah. Boards in Super were pretty boring to me honestly, I get that Superstars had only old boards but at least they're fun to play on (plus I never played the old games so they were new to me)
So Mario Party Superstars is a thing
Damn, this was such a cool video. Starting out with a simple, silly premise that morphs into a nuanced criticism of rushed development cycles was really dope. My favorite was also always MP6 and your analysis of the gameplay was super cool and put into words the vague feelings I had about the flaws of the more recent games. Subscribed :)
Mario Party 6 is the best? Really? Are you kidding me???
Good taste my dude
The amount of love 6 gets is awesomely big.
@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 Mario Party 2 is the best
@@samuraibeastwarrior2886
One of my five favourites, alongside 3, 6, 7 & DS.
@@samuraibeastwarrior2886 Agreed
My favorite is DS, although it might be biased, as it was my first Mario Party game.
I feel that the death of many great things are often caused by company overlords trying to push deadlines.
While true that's not the problem with Mario Party as its quality only plummeted after the series stopped receiving annual releases. It's clearly the new developer NDcube.
@@Gaspe19 ........did you even finish the video?
Deadlines or giving the wrong studio or wrong people to work on em. Want an example? Star Wars Sequels. Given to people who don't even know what makes Star Wars "Star Wars". At least the side series were given to people who knew what they are doing.
@@MrAsh1100 In the vide, he states NDcube's president and a bunch of its staff has been working on Mario Party since the N64, so your Star Wars sequel analogy doesn't work.
@@Gaspe19 In the video he states that NDcube is comprised of mostly people who have worked on mario party since the N64, so no its not the fault of NDcube since their the same people that made games like Mario Party 6.
Holy shit I've never seen Mario Party 6 before and now I absolutely need a switch port. That day night mechanic looks crazy fun.
Mario Party 6 is my favorite one in the series tbh
Nintendo killed it by selling it as bare bones as it is without giving it any meaningful content. Accompanied by tiny maps that give out coins like it’s fuckin Christmas and stars are on every literal corner.
And just like that, Mario Party is brought back from the dead with Mario Party Superstars.
I love how this was uploaded on my birthday btw.
sigh nintendo. It's the same case with Pokemon. Developers are pushed by higher-ups to meet a deadline and they can never truly add the polish and soul to their games :/ it's such a shame
“A delayed game is eventually good”
*cries in cyberpunk*
Well cyberpunk clearly needed to be delayed even more.
eventually
An over marketed game never has the funding to be good in the first place
Cyberpunk is only "bad" because people hyped it up too much, like Duke Nukem Forever or KH3.
@@AbandonedVoid It’s *bad* because it’s nonfunctional in too many ways. Even if it worked it’d just be OK as far as open world RPGs go, a step back from Witcher 3.
Mario Party 3 is my favorite for how much strategy goes into it with the reverse mushroom
Mario Party 6 is so good, even after all these years. I agree that it's the best Mario Party game mostly because it has the best boards in the series, has orbs/shops, and the day/night mechanic is actually really neat.
Yeah, also i find the minigames to be some of the most balanced in the series. Some Mario Party games had minigames with broken controls or lopsided in favor of one team
“A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad.”
-Shigeru Miyamoto
“Delayed bad, rushed good”
-Shaggy Mushroom man
@Bloody Sushi Studios
Mostly true, but there's a Mighty No.9 every once in a while.
@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 of course, you have to be competent as well.
What about No Man's Sky? I haven't played it so I am not certain about this. However according to Internet Historian's video about this game it was rushed and received a lot of criticism, but the studio which created it managed to slowly implement more and more features which eventually led to positive reviews.
@@Bibli2311 In my opinion, I don’t like those kind of practices. Video game companies shouldn’t cheat their fans for a bad game, just to implement good stuff later on. Don’t gamers buy games that entertain them? If a game needs to be delayed, I’m fine with it just to have a good game.
I have a 5th suspect, Konami. They bought out and absorbed HudsonSoft, meaning Hudson could no longer make the games, forcing Nintendo to look elsewhere.
Also not to be that person but dice are predetermined in SMP. But I get your point. Although I noticed it more in CO-OP mode. If I needed an odd, my ally would make my roll even. Always some random bs (another thing I noticed is that for bonus stars the “specific ally” bonus star was always the ally that spawned 2nd or 3rd on a map never from an ally phone, something I noticed might not be true)
The good news is it’s been about 2 years since the latest Mario party. This November it’ll be 3.
To be fair, the car DOES have some strategy. for example: rolling a special dice block to juuuuust get yourself the add mini stars space so no one else does or roll a special block to put the car juuuust before a lose mini stars space to almost insure the next player loses stars.(going off of mario party 10's get/lose mini stars if you pass spaces, but maybe you can do something similar in 9 as well since ,as you can see in the video, It looks like the lose mini stars spaces and grouped together) PS: this isn't meant to be "why the car is good" just being fair for the sake of being fair.
I agree.
to be totally honest the car had so much potential if done right.
@@damonlam9145 true.
Not just some. The car has loads of strategy, and in some cases more than in the classics.
@@AlbertBoris Can you please tell me some strategies?
super mario party was a punch to the gut
how the hell did we end up with a TIER LIST for goddamn mario party
One major issue with Top 100
Why the heck did they use such odd amounts for the different games? For a game celebrating the series, how'd it make sense to have like 2 games with just 3 minigames but one with like 15? Sure maybe not every game has 10 great ones, but shouldn't they have at least tried to make things a little more even?
My main issue is that BUTTON MASHERS happened to be one of them.
There were a lot of questionable ones in Top 100 actually but that one is the most egregious since no one liked that game in 5 since you could potentially break your controller and it is even worse here since you can potentially destroy your whole 3DS.
Your description of Star Rush was really accurate! It’s actually one of my favorite 3DS games, but I feel not a lot of people like it because they compare it to the other games too much. For what it is, it’s a great game. It has its flaws, some big some small, but in the end I like it for what it is.
Now this is some high-quality content
My favorites were 6 and 7 because the orbs were amazing and I loved how 7 had specials and 8 players lol 4 and 5 were really solid as well Sadly I never played 1-3 need to do that! 11 needed more dlc and 9 and 10 don’t exist to me 😂
If you can, I highly recommend the N64 trio. Maybe not 1, but 2 and 3 are a great time.
When Mario Party 3 came out I was already like "Damn slow down!"
That's most 5th Gen game trilogies. Two sequels in two years.
What? A videogame that's supposed to be played at your own house with your friends in close proximity is dead in 2021?
*Gee, I wonder what's up with that!*
Was it Nintendo? It was probably Nintendo.
I think you should maybe check if it was Nintendo, just a wild guess.
I dont think that its fair to blame nintendo for every problem you have with the games that you play in their system(if this was a joke I apologize)
@@jackkemble566 I agree
@@jackkemble566
Every problem? Perhaps not. Even likely not.
About 85% - 90% of problems? Likely so. Very likely so.
He died when they decided to force him and his friends to """"""""""""""""""""compete""""""""""""""""""""""""" in a car together.
Okay - before I even finish watching the rest of the video, that introduction KILLED me bro! XD Hats off, my guy.
I'm happy you liked that part haha I hope you enjoy the rest of it :)
@@Lowart Absolutely did! ^^ I really love the way this vdeo was structured - the whole 'suspect' narrative made for an incredibly gripping video that I was eager to continue after my haircut. Very good discussion is held that feels unbiased, and doesn't leave things on too much of a downer. Again, hats off my friend! You earned a sub. :)
Part of me worries this also might be part of Nintendo's design philosophy of "change over anything else"
Probably that's what killed Starfox, Paper Mario and F-Zero
@@Gaspe19 F-Zero was killed because Nintendo isn't willing to admit that Sega knows how to make a better high-speed racing game than them (read: GX).
Star Fox was killed because they've only ever used that series to test or expand on new tech or hardware. SF1? 3D tech. 64? Rumble pak. Adventures? Reskinned Zelda clone. Command? DS Touch pad. Zero? Wii U touch pad. (I omit Assault because it's honestly the only outlier I can think of other than the 64 remake and I actually honestly have always liked that game)
Interestingly enough super smash bros and mario kart series have been the same for over a decade and they are best selling nintendo games + no one complains that there arent significant changes in new games in the series.Well its because of the old saying "if it aint broken dont fix it".
@@MastaGambit F-Zero was killed because they don't know how to make another F-Zero
@@Gaspe19 oddly enough, This almost kills the Donkey Kong saga right after Nintendo sold Rareware to Microsoft and if it weren't for Retro Studios, Donkey kong country would be as dead as the Wario land series
IT’S REVIVED! AND IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE!!!
nice to hear some praise for Mario Party 6. it's also my favourite for how it changed up the star purchase. and the orbs were actually one of my favourite mechanics to screw my friends over. now i'm lonely but is was worth it!
This video is so creative! Good work on this one Lowart
Is Mario Party 6 your favourite because of Toadette and her unintentionally hilarious voice clips?
I mean that's definitely one of the reasons haha
The edit of your face on L is impeccable 😂
Ooh! This looks good. On the record, my favourites will always be 2, 3, 6, 7, and DS.
My favorite is 8.
It's okay.
My favorites are 7, island tour, Star rush and Super Mario party
I recall enjoying Star Rush quite a bit.
You mean the majority of them...?
I made most of the custom events for Party Planner in Mario Party 3. I think the ability to mod the game is really cool.
My biggest suspect is Konami themselves, for killing the development studio that made the good Mario Party games.
Even though most of the same people still work on Mario Party?
- Honestly, I have to disagree with the idea that Mario Party is dead. It’s fluctuated wildly in quality over the years and got off to a rocky start. It took them five games to get rid of the Coin Star, a bonus that de-incentived spending money to move the game forward. People didn’t like the formula shakeup in 9 and 10, even though the car mechanic was handled well in 9 on account of the boards (10 did not do this, so it sucked. Yes, I actually like Mario Party 9). As for Super Mario Party, it’s main issue was a lack of content. It was pretty mechanically sound, I liked the presentation even though some people find it bland, and it combined some old and new ideas. ‘Course, the old games are still available to play and enjoy if you don’t like the modern ones. But keep in mind, it’s hard to say that MP is “dead” because it’s hard to judge it like any other series. Mario Party is basically shorthand for “random luck-based bullshit”, and while it can be fun, it’s hardly a serious affair, right down to trying to critique it.
To quote Antdude:
"Definitely check out DS, think about Star Rush, laugh at the rest."
the ending made me legit sad. these games, even the games that didnt perform, take a lot of time. these people probably get rushed and destroy their minds in order to get things done, that on top of japan work standards, these people might be in that high % of overworked people in japan.
Imagine a month passed and a new Mario Party is announced and ends up being pretty good.
Well it wasn't a month, but it was sooner than expected now that Mario Party Superstars is a thing.
It's insane how you can murder a game with such a simple formula. All they had to do was switch up mini game ideas have a bunch of boards and that's it. They could simply remake the original trilogy and it would sell and would be way better than Super Mario Party.
16:22 ND Cube announced Mario Party Superstars which remakes old boards AND also has 100 minigames. And a better selection of them!
Having heard the phrase "Mario Party is dead" so many times, I honestly didn't have very high expectations of this video, especially when the first culprit was listed as the car. But I stuck through, and glad I did, because you really nailed what has precisely "killed" Mario Party. People like to point at NDCube and say it killed the series, yet forget many of Hudson Soft's devs moved over to it. All in all, Mario Party didn't really die all of a sudden, but rather it was a compound of multiple issues that most likely exploded in a way with MP9, and probably continue to this day. Having zero breathing room and doing the exact same thing over and over is bound to result in burnout. The series prints money by the second and as soon as you finish a game, Nintendo comes knocking asking for another one. You have no time to develop these ideas, and you also want to try something new, but the time is not there. Like really, does no one else look at there being FOUR Mario Party's on a SINGLE system, and think that it's a bit much?
That's probably why they started switching things up by 6, and every game since has been different in some way. But if we absolutely must point fingers at someone, it's probably Nintendo themselves. Anyway, this was a really good watch, and really made me think about what put Mario Party in this predicament, especially as someone who enjoys almost all of the games (8, 9 and DS are my favorites).
I really hope this Mario Party Superstars is really good. Ima give it a shot
2 things killed it.
1. refusing to ever allow online play
2. deciding everyone had to move together around the board instead of separately.
I think the rushing out of games from the same series is what causes alot games to start feeling stale. For instance I think pokemon probably has the same problem, they could make a great game and sword and shield introduced alot great ideas but probably couldnt follow through due to the time involved with transferring to the switch from handheld.
- Rushed games aren’t doomed to be bad, since there will still be at least a glimmer of good intentions, if they were there. Sonic 06 was rushed, but fans saw enough potential to make their own remaster of it, smoothing out the rougher edges. I liked Sword and Shield for the same reasons I like Pokémon in general.
@@diamondminer5459 I agree with you I though Pokémon Sword & Shield were good as well but they weren't amazing either they lacked a post game and a good story and activities to do outside of battle besides making curry.
Legends Arceus was better however it introduced new gameplay and had a very good post game and Scarlet & Violet seems to be a mixture of the two.
Hudson Soft killed the series. They milked the franchise complete dry. The only reason Mario Party is alive today is because ND Cube took over
Nintendo probably pushed all the games onto Hudson.
Sorry your opinion is wrong
@@nothanksfools Technically it's more of a fact
Nintendo killed Mario Party because they killed the bee company Hudson.
Not really. Hudson was bought out by Konami (I think) and thus the series was handed to ND Cube. From what I've heard, some of the developers of the early games returned to work on the later ones. That does raise the question on why the later games feel so different (and soulless). Perhaps that team just got sick of making nothing but Mario Party games and thus ran out of ideas? I may never know.
@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 Interesting.
@@ultrairrelevantnobody1862 They needed a break from it in 2012, and so they went back to it in 2018 in a different way.
Fascinating stuff, seeing the timeline and what I perceived to be fairly large breaks between 8, 9, 10 and Super really weren’t so long after all. I was startled to be reminded that 8 and DS shared the same year! Connecting Super and the Top 100 to Mario Party 6 and 7 is just as interesting as it is frightening. I’ll keep crossing my fingers for the true return to form. I suppose the only other thing I could’ve added to this video was the way Super Mario Party was marketed as a self-aware “return to the classic style” when we know that isn’t the case
The arbitrary wait times between each turn in super mario party just made the game from mediocre to absolutely unbearably bad to the point where you play it for 2 hours (which is 1 game and about 20% the way through another) and never want to touch it again
My first Mario Party game was 6 I really miss the old style.
Super mario party broke both of my joycons. They were waggled so hard the inner rail malfunctioned and I had to buy a new antenna to fix it, which just ended up making the antenna a lot weaker. To the point where it just misses 1 in 5 inputs when used wirelessly.
That just made me not want to play it any more.
This is my second time watching this video. I’m really curious if you think Superstars was the cure they needed. They didn’t have to make something new. They took boards from the past, tweaked and remade theme, and they got to take a couple of years not having to develop new boards with new gimmicks.
Just to mention something you may or may not have considered regarding SMP, dice rolls are smaller when compared to older Mario Parties so the coin dynamics are likely factored into that as well.
Older Mario Parties would roll a 1-10 with Mushroom items give you a chance to roll from 2-20.
SMP has you roll a 1-6 block with a mushroom adding 3 (5 if golden) to the roll and your partners adding 0, 1, or 2 to the roll as well.
I still can't believe this channel only has 88k subs. So glad I found your FMA series
I’m glad someone talked about this. A lot of people I’ve talked to on forums on stuff don’t seem to care much about the series or they say the change to the series was a good thing because they had supposedly done the same thing for 1-8 and DS for like 10+ years straight so it made sense to change things up. Good to see someone else has lot of nostalgia for the series and really does care about its direction rather than viewing it as just another Mario spinoff
Mario Party 9 was my first ever Mario Party and I loved that game as a kid. Even today I love Mario Party 9, probably for nostalgia purposes but still.
Edit: Guys the FBI's at my door hel-
You did an edit without editing your comment....🤦♂️
@@hyrule2476 It was meant to be a joke
Unfortunately, this sounds IDENTICAL to the problem GameFreak is having. Pushing these games out so fast is killing the soul of the people developing these games and, in turn, killing the soul of the games.
I have only ever played 2 mario party games, Mario Party DS and Island Tour. The first was actually a friend's game which I had exchanged (temporarily, mind you) against my own version of Nintendogs. I adored it so much that I would stay up at night to play it and bring my DS everywhere - the first which I didn't really do back then as much as I casually do today. Even though it was infuriating sometimes (piranha plant boss I'm looking at you) I would play it so much and always have fun with almost every aspect of it - even playing the tutorial after several hours of game time just because I could.
Unfortunately I lost the card one day and the person didn't give me back my Nintendogs because of that. (Which at the time made me really upset but you know, a game for a game.)
The second was actually not planned for, Mario Party had been in my mind for years and I told my parents that it was what I wanted for my birthday gift, but the store they went to didn't have the mario party ds game (which I didn't know was actually a bit old by then), but they saw Island Tour there. Of course, not wanting to come back empty headed, and mistakenly believe that one mario party could replace another, they bought this one and gave it to me.
It was an extreme disappointment to say the least.
I've had some bad luck with some of the ds/3ds games I've bought over the years, some were boring, some weren't as good as I thought they'd be, etc... But even then I could usually get some value out of them.
Island Tour just... Tired me. It was exasperating to play, boring for the most part, involving little strategy over all, you could lose to terrible AIs because of bad luck, the story wasn't very engaging, and so on. I played it so little (with months of pauses between some games sometimes) that I couldn't even tell you why I still don't like it now despite the fact that I still have the game, it was just overall a waste of money, something which I quickly realized to my distress and disappointment, as it had costed quite a lot of money for a game that I barely played or even liked.
Tomodachi Life was 3 times more amusing when I was just writing bad lyrics for concerts or waiting for rap time than Island Tour's best feature (the tower you had to climb and avoid electric enemies on, I like minesweeper style games).
Edit: My bad, after watching more of the video I realized that I had also played Star Rush for a few weeks after borrowing it in a library. It was a very refreshing game which I quite enjoyed. I do agree on the bad aspects that were brought up, but since I didn't play it all that long the repetitive nature of the mini games and boss was only a minor bother before I had to hand back the card.
Mario Party 2 and 3 on the N64 were the best Mario Party games, and they never got better from that.
There was actually a time when I argued 6 was peak Mario Party. It's still one of my favourites and I'm glad it and 7 have gained more recognition overtime, but my favourite as of recently has become 3 purely for the simple option of being able to speed up board gameplay. That is a Godsend especially since I can't play N64 games at 60Hz.
I wonder why Mario Party was an anual franchise while Mario kart and Super Smash bros were mostly 1 per generation of console
I'm not paying 80 dollars for a shitty party game stuck in the 90s that doesn't even have online mode
$60.
He knows what he said
I still have Mario Party 2 on my N64 and still play it with friends. It's still alive!
I'm glad I go on research hunts instead of getting angry at people forever. I've played 5, 7, 8, & DS (I've also played 9, 10, & super) and when playing Superstars, I wonder why the games have become lack luster, or even bad. Superstars is great, but that's only because it's a remake of most mini-game's, and boards we've come to love that have great mechanics, and gimmicks. I thought it was because of Hudson soft disappearing, from not seeing that bee logo pop up anymore, & after some research, I realized that they also made the 64 ones, and they didn't completely disappear, but some migrated, and then not long after coming across this video, which explain a lot.
(I'd also liked to sneak in that I feel the GameCube era was their prime, and that I also miss traps)
I have fresh ideas for Mario Party, mostly story mode content though, but still I'd give the devs them in a heartbeat if it worked.
I would love a Mario Party 1 "Remix" for example. Add a basic item system(one item limit per person), a bank, remix Wario's battle canyon and Peach's birthday cake, remix the spinner minigames, and whatnot. How about a "power crown" rare item that makes a player encounter King Boo when passing Boo (but does NOT summon the King) who could steal from everyone. 30 coins cost for stealing coins and 100 coins for stars?
I started to see the yearly Mario Party starting to get out of control in a Negative way back during the Nintendo GameCube era.
Going from 4, 5, 6 and 7 in one console gen was a little too much in my view.
It's insane that there's four games on the GameCube. Granted the N64 had three, but that's a trilogy of games with each following improving on the previous. The GameCube has 4, an uninspired entry, 5, a flawed change of pace, and 6 & 7 which were superb but felt more like tweaks and iterations on 5's ideas as opposed to innovative sequels.
These videos deserve more views, love your gaming content!
Nintendo E3 2021, Mario Party Superstars is announced.
Clubhouse Games 51 Worldwide Classics was a project that NDCube needed. A stop for all the Party based ideas to focus on the minigames, that is what they excel what.
That game was great but I'm kind of sad they just abandoned the whole game the day they released it. Not even a patch to fix things like bowling or the 4 in a row AI.
I wouldn't even mind a paid dlc that's like 15 dollars for 10 extra games or something. I just remember having a lot of fun with it the first 2 months the game was released.
The Mario Party game with the most amount of missed potential is definitely Super Mario Party. It went back to the separate movement and classic mechanics. However, it didn’t really do anything new and was lacking in content. The worst part of the game was the online multiplayer. I still wish the game had a fully fleshed out multiplayer with full board game modes instead of the bare bones 3 rotated minigame mode we ended up with.
This is a great and very informative video presented in a a bit of a cheesy but fun way.
Happy the cheese came across well haha Wanted to go for something a bit goofier than usual
What you're describing in terms of Star Rush and what navigating the board feels like is basically why i enjoyed Mario Party Advance when I was younger.
And unlike Star Rush, Mario Party Advance has a really good traditional Mario Party aesthetic (it even has Kid Koopa), and the cars are purely aesthetic since each character has individual cars they ride in on the board (plus you're allowed to traverse through the board however you want, there isn't a set path you have to follow in a single direction). The only downside obviously is that the game requires a link cable for up to 4 Gameboy Advance systems. There's at least a single player mode though, like in most other Mario Party games.
If Nintendo wanted to revive Mario Party, they should inspire themselves from Japanese GameShows.
Also coins and stars in Mario games are supposed to be useful, buy items, accessories, powers, bonus points, clothes, etc:.
I only know you as the FMA guy but this is a pretty good video.
Whelp, this sheduele sounds familiar. Yearly releasses are so bad for Nintendo games. Pokemon here begin the main thing for me. They should only do it if they were willing to put more money into it and hiring more staff. Or just give the developers more time
Would love to hear his opinion on Superstars, personally I think Superstars is what Mario Party fans needed after the series was murdered 14 years ago....
Hot take: Mario Party 10 is my favorite MP. Why? Actual parties. It’s easy to take game newbies and throw them on MP10.
I’ve only played MP1-6 and MP10, and the only one I owned was MP4. I remember games lasting 2-4 hours. More often than not, we had to call it quits before the game ended. Why did it take so long? Everyone would spend 10 minutes scanning the board, figuring out where they were, where everyone else was, where the star is, and what items they have. This was generally true even when paying close attention, but it’s even worse when someone gets up to grab chips and drinks, as is normal at parties.
MP10 has it’s problems: Too linear and not enough worlds. But the party car is great because people can jump right in and figure out their move within a few seconds. Sure, the strategies are simple, but setting the next person up to lose mini-stars is a great way to dunk on your friends. Most of my friends aren’t gamers, so this is my go-to for game night when Settlers of Catan gets a little stale.
People wanted to change things....
Seeing fans treating 9 (and 10 even tho i kinda still despise him) like trash kinda make Mario Party's history tragic.
Yeah, I agree. Sometimes things just change and sadly we can't do anything about it. At least we can enjoy the games we like.
Discover your channel , thanks to recomendations, I really enjoy the video :)
You have a great voice, and I agree with your conclusion, I hope they will have some time
I think they might another little issue with mario party : Our expectations , like when they try to change or add new things, people just mostly hate it , because it's not what they used to have, even if didn't enjoy the one on the switch , I enjoy the side modes, the rafting is fun. But like you said it feels rush.
I agree.
And then Mario Party Superstars came out and everything was looking good
The question should be more like "who killed Hudson soft?"
Ko. Fucking. Nami.
Mario Party is dead, just like the heavy
Mario party is dead!?