One of the most detailed videos I've seen on RUclips! Perfect execution. Hope to apply some of these instructions to the Air Conception Tornado 280. I wish you'd keep posting videos
Quite a rebuild. I rebuilt the carb and cleaned out the head and replaced gaskets on mine recently, with my little mechanical experience. Wasn’t too bad, but I did have a buddy helping off and on making sure things were being done correctly. Thanks for sharing
I believe the blue stuff you were talking about that you were trying to think of the name for (to tell you if the bolts have moved) is called torque paint. Awesome video. I absolutely love the way you did the little time lapse of the bolts all coming out and it being taken apart. That was so awesome! I wish you had done the whole video like that! Great video tho. Thank you for this!
Excellent !!!! Great Video, very instructive if you got one for maintenance, Please post it !! Really enjoy your work keep it up !! have safe Flights always!!
Scufffing or hard wear on the exhaust port side is caused by piston overheating, expanding and going oval. This over heating is caused by a poorly designed in tuned pipe.
This is a great video my friend , enjoyed it very much lots of hard work and a lot of patience. I hope I have a lot more hours to go on my Nitro before any major work, it just turned 11 Hours.
I subscribed to your channel, and to AmmoNYC. Your videos are well-produced. Thanks for that. (If I closed my eyes, I would be sure I was hearing a Tucker Gott video, lol. 😉) I found you because I was interested in the AC 200. Honestly, though, I had my doubts about the quality, but your "bathtub curve" analogy is sensible and comforting. You speak well of AviatorPPG. I feel comfortable about their company based on that.
Thanks for the compliment. I can probably say that I am the most unlucky Nitro 200 owner for having both of these issues at once. As far as I know, the crank case issue has been resolved with a newer case. The nicasil coating issue may be another story, but there have been very few failures out of what's probably over 1000 units sold from what I've been told. I still see it as a good unit as a whole. Like any paramotor there are pros and cons and humans that assemble them.
I'm expecting my Tracking number for my Nitro 200 any time now. Hopefully I'll get all the upgraded parts. But if not....I know what to look for. Great Video!
Definitely going on my favorites playlist for when I need to rebuild my paramotor (is it bad that I am planning a rebuild before I even buy a paramotor?). Around 10:30 or so, I see you had quite a bit of trouble removing (for lack of proper terminology) the pulley from the motor mount, but later you just bolted it back on. Did it really go on this easy or did you have to do something not shown in the video to get it seated right?
Steve Danhof the shaft end is conical; therefore any amount of torque on the nut once in contact with the pulley will introduce a downwards force creating a interfering press fit.
Why did you replace the crank cases? First thing I noticed on mine was no air filter, just an "Air Box". The prop wash kicks up all kinds of fine junk particles and can end up in the motor without a filter element. Seems a strange call by Air Conception.
Wow, I just found this video - nicely done Robert! Just curious - I have a Techno-Fly Octagon 190, which is essentially, a Nitro 200 with different color paint... You had mentioned you did some break-in cycles, but the Nitro 200 manual doesn't really detail what a break-in routine should be, other than it should take a quart-worth of oil (about 6-8 hours) to complete. What type of break-in did you do? Was it similar to what you do for the Moster 185? I have 120 hours on my Nitro 200 now - and fortunately, the only real issue I've had with it was a starter spring that disintegrated (I was able to find a round spring to fix it for $5). Like you, I keep my stuff really, really clean and pre and post flight it. I think that goes a long way to keeping these things running :) Anyway, thank you for the video - Im sure it will be useful when I need to start replacing parts!
Break-in Procedure: 1) 2 minutes initial idle, 1 minute at 10-20% power, 2 minutes at idle, 1 minute at 30-40% power, 2 minutes at idle, 1 minute at 50-60% power, 2 minutes at idle, 70-80% power for 1 minute, idle for 2 minutes, 80-90% power for 1 minute, idle for 2 minutes, no more than 30 seconds full power, idle for 2 minutes. 2) Shut off motor and let sit for 15-30 minutes, or until cool. 3) Repeat process for a total of 3 cycles.
@@robertdurbin4252 I feel like they should definitely add this to their manual... They outline a completely different run-in process that isn't nearly as specific as this. Thanks for the info!
+Robert Durbin Man, that was some impressive editing (& work on the motor). Aviator ppg & a few others' videos had me thinking these Nitro 200s were the Toyotas of paramotors. I just placed my order for one, mid November. Considering that they redesigned that one part with the extra rib, do you think I should be worried about this same problem(s) occurring on my motor? Would you suggest taking it apart & having a look around 10 hours like you ended up doing? I wonder if that bathtub curve you were talking about is due to the molds wearing out (& if I might be on that same side of the curve).. I heard you say that you work in manufacturing & you seem like a pretty intelligent dude so I figured you'd be the guy to ask.
Kim Jong Ryan you should have the updated parts, in my opinion, at 10 hours, pull the head and have a look at the cylinder walls. You only need to replace the one head gasket to do so. Just break it in and remember to always have an out while flying!
Thanks man, will do. Thx for the little insight into the manufacturing process btw - I've always been intrigued by what goes on behind the scenes. At first I thought the bathtub curve was referring to the entire production run of a product / part (more defects @ the beginning & end) but I guess it just refers to the lifespan of each unit. Love learning more about that stuff here & there. Have a good one
What a bloody nightmare if it was mine it would be going back. Not all of us have the kit or the knowledge to repair it. For that amount of money they should fix it.
While all this is great in the video... but with this type of defect and still very early in the warranty, why was it not sent back to APPG for repair and/or replacement. Some pilots may not be as mechanically inclined for this type of repair.
Robert Beaubouef from what I know, they will pay for round shipping and warranty everything. I like to tinker, and direct shipping to me and fixing it myself is still the fastest way to go about it.
Ah... ok, that is good to know. And I like the tinkering as well. I think that would have been good info at the beginning for us newbie's. :-) So with all that said, I take it you are happy with the setup and power. I did notice in another video you were 6'3" and 230ish, that makes me feel good as we're 6'2" and just under 220 on a bad day right after eating pasta :-).
Raven Andrantin I didn't pay a dime for parts and I honestly enjoy tinkering. Wasn't hard at all to rebuild and saved shipping time and costs. Not sure if they would have worked on it for free or not. At the end of the day, I know more about my motor than the average Joe.
At 10 hours I would have thought you have been sent a brand new complete motor. They could have got your old one back, rebuilt it, sold it, and been money ahead.
Simonini.....Fly products. You bought into that Aviator fluff with Eric and Kyle and Tucker and their attempt to swarm RUclips with their nonsense. Simonini 3 units, 12 years, 8 years, and 2 years. Issues with any one them? A wirr came loose on a connector on one of them once back in 2012.
This is a very good video bro,awesome editing,and i enjoyed the rebuild process. I would think AC should send you some reimbursement for all your labor you put into this as well!
One of the most detailed videos I've seen on RUclips! Perfect execution. Hope to apply some of these instructions to the Air Conception Tornado 280.
I wish you'd keep posting videos
I really enjoyed this video, nicely done.
Quite a rebuild. I rebuilt the carb and cleaned out the head and replaced gaskets on mine recently, with my little mechanical experience. Wasn’t too bad, but I did have a buddy helping off and on making sure things were being done correctly. Thanks for sharing
I believe the blue stuff you were talking about that you were trying to think of the name for (to tell you if the bolts have moved) is called torque paint.
Awesome video. I absolutely love the way you did the little time lapse of the bolts all coming out and it being taken apart. That was so awesome! I wish you had done the whole video like that!
Great video tho. Thank you for this!
Awesome video dude. Killer editing. That "hello darkness my old friend" had me crackin up. Keep it up!
Cracked the case of my Nitro 200, thanks for the stop motion of the disassembly and the tips. Really good content, thanks Robert.
Excellent !!!! Great Video, very instructive if you got one for maintenance, Please post it !! Really enjoy your work keep it up !! have safe Flights always!!
Scufffing or hard wear on the exhaust port side is caused by piston overheating, expanding and going oval. This over heating is caused by a poorly designed in tuned pipe.
Thanks for making and sharing the expertly done video!
That’s exactly why I’m gonna get a air conception bc they are very helpful watching a lot of ppl like woody and I cant wait to get one
This is a great video my friend , enjoyed it very much lots of hard work and a lot of patience. I hope I have a lot more hours to go on my Nitro before any major work, it just turned 11 Hours.
great video! new sub. Keep on flying
I subscribed to your channel, and to AmmoNYC. Your videos are well-produced. Thanks for that. (If I closed my eyes, I would be sure I was hearing a Tucker Gott video, lol. 😉) I found you because I was interested in the AC 200. Honestly, though, I had my doubts about the quality, but your "bathtub curve" analogy is sensible and comforting. You speak well of AviatorPPG. I feel comfortable about their company based on that.
Thanks for the compliment. I can probably say that I am the most unlucky Nitro 200 owner for having both of these issues at once. As far as I know, the crank case issue has been resolved with a newer case. The nicasil coating issue may be another story, but there have been very few failures out of what's probably over 1000 units sold from what I've been told. I still see it as a good unit as a whole. Like any paramotor there are pros and cons and humans that assemble them.
Great video man. Well done.
I'm expecting my Tracking number for my Nitro 200 any time now. Hopefully I'll get all the upgraded parts. But if not....I know what to look for. Great Video!
you and your engine are now one.[grasshopper]
For those who want to skip the intro and car washing advice 5:20
Robert Durbin What was the serial number of your motor? Do you know what range of SN might be affected? Thanks.
jbone522 my motor is number 643. I know that they changes the crank case design not too much after.
Robert Durbin. Thanks. Mine is 502 so I guess I will need to keep an eye on it.
Great job here. This video must have taken you a lot of time.
I recently bought a used nitro 200 with 80 hours on it. Runs great.
Cool video love to make a cool video like this. Glad you didn't get screwed on parts . Sounds like aviators did you right. Customer service is good.
Excellent video. I’ll be looking for more from you in the future
Great video. The stop motion was sick! I gotta try that, looks like it took quite a while :)
Killer video man. Really great editing
Stop motion was cool
Robert, nicely done! Subscribed!
I loved the video I will definitely subscribe I wonder when the 280 tornado will come out
Excellent Video mate...well done!
Definitely going on my favorites playlist for when I need to rebuild my paramotor (is it bad that I am planning a rebuild before I even buy a paramotor?). Around 10:30 or so, I see you had quite a bit of trouble removing (for lack of proper terminology) the pulley from the motor mount, but later you just bolted it back on. Did it really go on this easy or did you have to do something not shown in the video to get it seated right?
Steve Danhof the shaft end is conical; therefore any amount of torque on the nut once in contact with the pulley will introduce a downwards force creating a interfering press fit.
Cool video....and you know your SH**....good stuff!!
Larry K depends who you talk to ;) I'm sure people where I work beg to differ! Hahaha
New sub! Excellent
Why did you replace the crank cases?
First thing I noticed on mine was no air filter, just an "Air Box". The prop wash kicks up all kinds of fine junk particles and can end up in the motor without a filter element. Seems a strange call by Air Conception.
Great video
How did you get the small ribbed belt pulley off in the end ?
Wow, I just found this video - nicely done Robert!
Just curious - I have a Techno-Fly Octagon 190, which is essentially, a Nitro 200 with different color paint... You had mentioned you did some break-in cycles, but the Nitro 200 manual doesn't really detail what a break-in routine should be, other than it should take a quart-worth of oil (about 6-8 hours) to complete. What type of break-in did you do? Was it similar to what you do for the Moster 185?
I have 120 hours on my Nitro 200 now - and fortunately, the only real issue I've had with it was a starter spring that disintegrated (I was able to find a round spring to fix it for $5). Like you, I keep my stuff really, really clean and pre and post flight it. I think that goes a long way to keeping these things running :) Anyway, thank you for the video - Im sure it will be useful when I need to start replacing parts!
Break-in Procedure:
1) 2 minutes initial idle, 1 minute at 10-20% power, 2 minutes at
idle, 1 minute at 30-40% power, 2 minutes at idle, 1 minute at
50-60% power, 2 minutes at idle, 70-80% power for 1 minute,
idle for 2 minutes, 80-90% power for 1 minute, idle for 2
minutes, no more than 30 seconds full power, idle for 2
minutes.
2) Shut off motor and let sit for 15-30 minutes, or until cool.
3) Repeat process for a total of 3 cycles.
@@robertdurbin4252 interesting... Where did you learn of this break-in procedure for the Nitro? This sounds similar to the Moster 185's procedure.
@@ryandinan Nitro 200 quick start guide
@@robertdurbin4252 I feel like they should definitely add this to their manual... They outline a completely different run-in process that isn't nearly as specific as this. Thanks for the info!
Motor ran lean or not broken-in properly have pro check carb. Nice editing bro.
+Robert Durbin
Man, that was some impressive editing (& work on the motor). Aviator ppg & a few others' videos had me thinking these Nitro 200s were the Toyotas of paramotors. I just placed my order for one, mid November.
Considering that they redesigned that one part with the extra rib, do you think I should be worried about this same problem(s) occurring on my motor? Would you suggest taking it apart & having a look around 10 hours like you ended up doing?
I wonder if that bathtub curve you were talking about is due to the molds wearing out (& if I might be on that same side of the curve)..
I heard you say that you work in manufacturing & you seem like a pretty intelligent dude so I figured you'd be the guy to ask.
Kim Jong Ryan you should have the updated parts, in my opinion, at 10 hours, pull the head and have a look at the cylinder walls. You only need to replace the one head gasket to do so. Just break it in and remember to always have an out while flying!
Thanks man, will do.
Thx for the little insight into the manufacturing process btw - I've always been intrigued by what goes on behind the scenes. At first I thought the bathtub curve was referring to the entire production run of a product / part (more defects @ the beginning & end) but I guess it just refers to the lifespan of each unit. Love learning more about that stuff here & there. Have a good one
What a bloody nightmare if it was mine it would be going back.
Not all of us have the kit or the knowledge to repair it.
For that amount of money they should fix it.
Sick video
you conveniently left out putting the cylinder back on over the piston. that's the whole reason i watched this video lol
Hi buddy I have same paramotor but having trouble with bearing on large red pulley how did you remove the pulley thank you buddy
While all this is great in the video... but with this type of defect and still very early in the warranty, why was it not sent back to APPG for repair and/or replacement. Some pilots may not be as mechanically inclined for this type of repair.
Robert Beaubouef from what I know, they will pay for round shipping and warranty everything. I like to tinker, and direct shipping to me and fixing it myself is still the fastest way to go about it.
Ah... ok, that is good to know. And I like the tinkering as well. I think that would have been good info at the beginning for us newbie's. :-)
So with all that said, I take it you are happy with the setup and power. I did notice in another video you were 6'3" and 230ish, that makes me feel good as we're 6'2" and just under 220 on a bad day right after eating pasta :-).
Oh one forgot, that Bryzone tune sound is cheap, abnoxious, gets old lightning quick. IMHO.
I thought these had 2 year warranty? Did you say 10 hours? Did you choose to rebuild it yourself? You should have been sent a new motor.
Raven Andrantin I didn't pay a dime for parts and I honestly enjoy tinkering. Wasn't hard at all to rebuild and saved shipping time and costs. Not sure if they would have worked on it for free or not. At the end of the day, I know more about my motor than the average Joe.
At 10 hours I would have thought you have been sent a brand new complete motor. They could have got your old one back, rebuilt it, sold it, and been money ahead.
Simonini.....Fly products. You bought into that Aviator fluff with Eric and Kyle and Tucker and their attempt to swarm RUclips with their nonsense.
Simonini 3 units, 12 years, 8 years, and 2 years. Issues with any one them? A wirr came loose on a connector on one of them once back in 2012.
Simoni makes a great product. A little fluffy for me, but very nice.
Can someone show me how to replace the ring gear and magneto and does it need to be timed??
At 12:45, did you not install a wristpin retaining clip?
forced23 I did. It wasn't caught on camera. Like I said, there was already one installed on the piston on the other side.
Just curious, what was the first indication that something was wrong?
Mr C nothing besides seeing the oil build up on that one part of the crank case. Goes to show that post flights are important.
What is the max. RPM you get on your nitro200 ,on full throttle pls?
Xavier T off the top of my head I believe around 7400
Mister Robert Durbin sell please broken spare parts what's left of Nitro 200 !!!
Andryl Andreea thank you for your interest, but when I was at Flite Fest South I left the old parts at Aviator for inspection, etc...
It's a pity ... ;-(
Music too loud bro
u should just look into a better quality motor 10 hrs and your basically blew up thats balls.. poorest of poor quality 2 stroke motors.
This is a very good video bro,awesome editing,and i enjoyed the rebuild process.
I would think AC should send you some reimbursement for all your labor you put into this as well!
Enjoying The Sun 577-Jersey Customs I was thinking the same thing.
So I wonder if you can use the crank in the newer version probably huh.You still have the motor bro?