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The attitude readjustment scripture shows us to have patience with people. First God brings the Hebrews out unscathed from the superpower of the ancient world, the Hope of the World, Egypt. Then they walk 40 years healthy & taken care of in the desert, the enemies turf. Then offers them the land of abundance. Look @ the giants & their power & simply march on them & I’ll hand them over to you. Sometimes you have to wonder how long a person can bang their head on the wall till they go unconscious? But yet YHWH shows me the same level of patience when I pull the same crap…
I love this subject. I love how it shows up in the greek in Eph 1:11. Think of all the times bread shows up in the Bible, and look for the typology and concepts concerning the spiritual reality which is made evident by the physical reality-essentially, this is how God uses the reality we know to reveal the greater reality we cannot see. He created this world as an allegorical object lesson to show us (and other creatures) the Truth of His divine nature.
If I never get the opportunity to meet Dr.Heiser in this world , I can't wait to talk to him in the next. God bless you for helping me become spiritually mature and to learn to love to study his word.
Till, til, til the ground Let your sweat drop down Eat your bread Thanks ahead From dust to dust I'm bound Verily, verily Jesus did say I am the bread of life Eat, eat, eat my book Chew on every word In thy mouth sweet as honey But in thy belly bitter
Awesome job, pointed and simple. Understanding the context, how those reading this at the time it was written, would understand much of this in a very different way that a 21st century Christian would. A tad bit of scholarship is extremely important and helpful
1 Corinthians 11:28-32 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. 32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
Interesting the seeming parallel from the Canaan land of Milk and Honey description to Isaiah describing the young Messiah with "butter and honey" in Isaiah 7:15 and even the Theophany in Genesis 18 of butter and milk...
Galatians 4:19-28,30-31 KJVS [19] My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, [20] I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you. [21] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? [22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. [23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. [24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. [25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. [26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. [27] For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. [28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. [30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. [31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
If this guy would just read Jhn 6, he'd see the purpose of the showbread. God wouldn't need to command that the fresh loaves be regularly consecrated and placed in the Holy Place to teach physical lessons. All of the rituals concerning the tabernacle service had _spiritual_ lessons behind them.
Holy Eucharist Prefigured in Bread of Presence (Showbread) of the Temple in Judaism: "...the bread may be for a memorial of the oblation of the Lord. Every sabbath they shall be changed before the Lord, being received of the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant: And they shall be Aaron's and his sons', that they may eat them in the holy place: because it is most holy of the sacrifices of the Lord by a perpetual right." [Leviticus 24:7-9] 1) Memorial of the oblation of the Lord 2)Sacrificial Meal 3)The most Holy of Sacrifices by an Everlasting Covenant (mystery) 4)Changed before the Lordevery Sabbath (kept in Tabernacle)
Eh, ancient near east burned food to the gods as they saw the aroma going up to the heavens as a type of consumption (taste and smell are closely related) and a sharing of a meal with the gods- a type of communing, you could say. In the same sense, there is no reason to believe that the Israelites were doing something different in burning sacrifices, as a type of vaporization instead. I'm not saying that the Israelites believed that their God must eat, but both the Israelites and the ANE religions would have seen sacrifice as an act of hospitality and communion- a getting on their side, if you will. How does the ANE doctorate not know this? This is why Israel burned incense in the temple, specifically because of its aroma and the strong connection humanity has had with both taste and scent. Pagans did the same and this is specifically why ancient Rome would demand its citizens burn incense to the Emperor and why specifically early Christians were so against burning incense to the Emperor. They were willing to pay taxes to the Emperor, but burning incense to him was much more scandalous because it offered a type of communion that treated the Caesar as if he were a god. The Jews knew this because sacrifice was just as much an act of communing with their God as it was for the pagan to commune with his god
I know this comment is 5 months old but can you give me the primary sources or any scholarly work that goes into more of the subject of ANE sacrifices and Rituals? I'm also interested in how "aroma going up to the heavens as a type of consumption " were viewed as synonymous.
@@solidsnake497 there's places in scripture where sacrifice is referred to as a pleasing aroma to God which even the Epic of Gilgamesh uses this same connection of aroma and sacrifice. Think of it as how taste and smell are related, as when your too congested to smell it can also make it harder to taste food or even with wine tastings, one is encouraged to breathe the smell of the wine in before drinking.
@@solidsnake497 it looks like one of my comments was removed due to having a link. If you do a search on the Hebrew reah nihoah (ריח ניחוח), and its roots to the Akkadian word nuḫḫu it should point you in the direction you're asking
When we receive Holy Communion we receive the whole Christ--Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, living and risen. Regardless of the particle size, the Eucharist is our Communion with the whole Christ, including Himself the Head of His Body the Church, and all His members alive on earth and also the faithful departed who live in Him forever. While ordinary food becomes incorporated into the substance of our body, the Eucharist makes us to be the members of Christ's Body, the Church. This Body is the universal sacrament of salvation. Anyone who knows and refuses cannot be saved.
Is that the official line of the catholic church @@ElizabethDMadison? Sadly, but not surprisingly, it seems to directly contradict scripture, where we are told plainly that salvation rests on nothing more than accepting the witness and testimony of Jesus Christ, and confessing Him before men. Those outward symbols, like baptism and communion are mere tokens. Demonstrations of faith. It is our faith in Jesus, and that alone which spares us from the wrath of the law, and any prince or potentate who told you otherwise for the sake of consolidating their earthly power will have to answer to Him for misleading their flocks on the day of Judgement.
@@JoesWebPresence It wasn't for nothing that God became incarnate. We don't encounter Him merely on a notional level of interior assent and verbalization, but bodily. We aren't meant to be Christians merely in our heads and with words, but as whole persons in union with the whole Christ, in His one body the Church. The Eucharist is the immediate cause of full Christian unity. Jesus tells us in John Chapter 6 that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood or we do not have life in us, but if we eat His flesh and drink His blood we shall have eternal life. It is HE who possesses eternal life. HIS LIFE is eternal life. The good news is that by the grace of His passion, death and resurrection which is made present by Baptism and the Eucharist (remember the water and the blood that poured from His pierced side) we become members of His Body and participants in His eternity and His very Sonship of the Father. Protestants believe something different than the teaching reflected in the New Testament and the teachings of the earliest Christians in the Church founded on the Apostles.
@@JoesWebPresence More of this Anti-Catholic protestant nonsense? Im tired of this, here is a copy paste of some old comment of mine on baptism citing scripture and the Church fathers to show how the earliest Christians interpreted those verses. Maybe I will do the same on the Eucharist tomorrow. John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 1 Peter 3:19-21 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits- to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now SAVES you also-not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Acts 22:16 “And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.” Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Here is what the Church fathers (the earliest Christian writings after the new testament) have to say about this. Justin Martyr “As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly, and instructed to pray and to entreat God with fasting, for the remission of their sins that are past, we pray and fast with them. Then they are brought by us where there is water and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father . . . and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit [Matt. 28:19], they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, ‘Unless you are born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:3]” (First Apology 61 [A.D. 151]). Irenaeus “‘And [Naaman] dipped himself . . . seven times in the Jordan’ [2 Kgs. 5:14]. It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [this served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions, being spiritually regenerated as newborn babes, even as the Lord has declared: ‘Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’” (Fragment 34 [A.D. 190]). Tertullian “[N]o one can attain salvation without baptism, especially in view of the declaration of the Lord, who says, ‘Unless a man shall be born of water, he shall not have life’” (Baptism 12:1 [A.D. 203]). Cyprian of Carthage “[When] they receive also the baptism of the Church . . . then finally can they be fully sanctified and be the sons of God . . . since it is written, ‘Except a man be born again of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God’” (Letters 71[72]:1 [A.D. 253]). Need I go on?
Did your communion wafers come down from heaven @@ElizabethDMadison? For the sake of open mindedness, I just read John 6 before writing this response, and is says no such thing, unless you first assume the trans-substantiation lie, and THEN read it! In fact, in John 6:27 Jesus tells us "Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life." Do your wafers endure forever? Then in verse 47, He says plainly "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life." which you have flatly denied. Furthermore, in verse 50, He says, speaking of Himself "This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die." A clear alegory. Your communion wafers mostly come from a factory in Rhode Island, not from heaven, and are no guarantee of salvation or eternal life. Faced with these unambiguous and difficult to misunderstand statements about the nature of the bread of life, FROM the bread of life, I can only assume that you have been seriously misinformed by those with a vested interest in having the monopoly on salvation via their 'special' wafers. The claim of trans-substantiation is an insult to the believer's intelligence and an easily dissproved misinterpretation of the analogy Jesus shared. By all means continue to trust sinful, fallable career religionists dressed in scarlet and seeking to sell salvation to the ignorant masses much like Simon the sourcerer wished to do. I will continue to diligently search the scriptures to see if these things are so, and the things you claim in your (or should I say the catholic church's interpretation of these things are evidently NOT so.
I never understood the eating of the bread aka the body of Christ and drinking the wine aka the blood of Christ. This ritual seems so cannibalistc. Why would I need to eat his body and drink his blood if my creator in Genesis already provided the food for me(fruits, vegetables, herbs, etc). This, to me, is a leftover product of a merger of pagan human ritual sacrifice ceremonies with the new age Christianity under the Constantine.
It's Jesus' own teaching, we must eat His very flesh and drink His very blood. What some people miss is that Jesus is risen and alive and whole in the Eucharist, as whole and alive as a Bridegroom coming to embrace His bride. The two forms, bread and wine evoke the separation of the body and blood that was crucial in the Passover sacrifice that is a prefiguration of the Eucharist and in the Lord's actual death. The Eucharistic liturgy is the sacramental re-presentation to the Father of Jesus' once-for-all saving sacrifice on Calvary, which the first Christians described as a sacrifice of thanksgiving for the salvation He has wrought for us by His dying and rising.
A representation @@ElizabethDMadison Yes! A token. A symbolic metaphore, and not, as the catholic church asserts, and as you have claimed in the comment above, the whole Christ body, or our communion with Christ. You can't have it both ways you know. If your only relationship with Christ is as a wafer and some grape juice, then you are yet to know Him, to receive His salvation, and to receive the Holy Spirit of God. This occurs in your heart, submitting to His lordship over your life as a conscious decision which we then outwardly confess to others through such emblems, and not in our stomachs as an adherence to such rituals, which are of no effect on their own, and merely confirm our submission to the dogmas of religious orthodoxy and the traditions of men.
@@JoesWebPresence It is the Lord. I am a Catholic and I attend Mass every day because He is really present in the Eucharist, according to His own words (John 6), according to St Paul (1 Cor 11:29), and according to the earliest Christians (St Ignatius of Antioch, etc). Do not be unbelieving, but believe. The Word became incarnate. He is the cause of the unity of His Body the Church through our reception of the Eucharist, which unlike ordinary food that becomes part of my own body makes me a member of Christ's Body. How much protestants discount the physicality of how the risen Lord Jesus gives Himself to His bride the Church, and how truly one we become with Him!
I believe that you are lost in a dead religion @@ElizabethDMadison. Hidebound to the traditions of men. I believe Jesus, and He guides my path. You believe catholic theologians, and are guided by them. They are rich, powerful, cynical abusers of men, dressed in satanic scarlet robes and adorned with gold and silk. It IS ordinary food Elizabeth, and doing God's will, following Jesus and having your life hid in HIM, not in that church or in trusting to their dubious traditions makes one a part of His body. It breaks my heart to see you willfully swallow (pun intended) this false doctrine. I pray that God will open your eyes, soften your heart, and reveal to you that the precious gift of salvation is not predicated on their whims. I believe that you can still be a catholic and be saved by grace (for we ARE saved by grace alone, and not through such dead works) but I cannot, and will NEVER believe that salvation is dependant upon meaningless bits of bread being administered by thoroughly indoctrinated, well paid employees of the richest, most corrupt institution on Earth.
The Gospel: Plain and Simple “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” - 2 Corithians 11:3 Ask someone today if they are saved and you will most likely hear responses like these: “I have accepted Jesus into my heart.” Or “I have made him Lord of my life.” “I’ve been baptized.” “I said a prayer.” Sounds all good and churchy don’t it; but it is difficult to de-termine whether or not a person actually knows the gospel that saves them. These useless phrases don’t describe a thing about what the gospel is and has left a devastating effect of people not knowing what it is that they are saved from nor how they are saved; which leaves a more serious effect of people questioning their salvation. Let’s not muddy the simplicity of salvation that is in Christ with vague church sounding phrases that do not communicate anything. But rather present God’s word with clarity and assuredness. So here is the gospel: plain and simple. Sin was passed upon all men by one man Adam, and death is a consequence of this sin (Rom 5:12). Mankind has an eternal destiny of condemnation and wrath - Hell - because of this sin (Rom 6:23). No matter what good works one might do we are still found sinners in the sight of our Creator God. And all unrighteousness and those who follow get indignation and wrath. We cannot be found righteous for by God’s law we are found sinners (Rom 3:19-20). If we have broken even one law we are found guilty. It is for this reason of not being able to create our own righteousness and being born in a sinful flesh that we need a savior (Titus 3:5). Christ is that Savior, God manifested in the flesh, sinless, died in our place on a cross 2000 years ago. Taking upon him the wrath and judgement that was intended for us sinners. And it is through his bloodshed, burial, and resurrection on our behalf that we are able to have peace with God and forgiveness of our sins (1 Cor 15:1-4, Col 3:14). This good news is unto all but only those that believe in it are made righteous in Christ (Romans 3:22). It is then after we have heard this good news of Christ’s righteousness available to us freely, that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and we are now part of Christ’s body the church (Eph 1:13) There is nothing that we need to do, no good works that are required, and no bad works that can separate us from our new position in Christ (Romans 8:35-39). Faith and belief in this information from God’s word is the gospel. The gospel is not accepting Jesus into your heart. The gospel is not making him lord of your life, it is not saying a prayer and it is not being baptized with water. So next time someone asks you if you are saved. Give them the clear assured answer Yes And let me tell you why Find more free resources at www.graceambassadors.com
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@Oliver Abbot ἄρτος not μύκης
@@Okie8T9 I think he’s trying to be edgy and bring up the sacred mushroom and the cross.
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The attitude readjustment scripture shows us to have patience with people. First God brings the Hebrews out unscathed from the superpower of the ancient world, the Hope of the World, Egypt. Then they walk 40 years healthy & taken care of in the desert, the enemies turf. Then offers them the land of abundance. Look @ the giants & their power & simply march on them & I’ll hand them over to you.
Sometimes you have to wonder how long a person can bang their head on the wall till they go unconscious? But yet YHWH shows me the same level of patience when I pull the same crap…
I love this subject. I love how it shows up in the greek in Eph 1:11. Think of all the times bread shows up in the Bible, and look for the typology and concepts concerning the spiritual reality which is made evident by the physical reality-essentially, this is how God uses the reality we know to reveal the greater reality we cannot see. He created this world as an allegorical object lesson to show us (and other creatures) the Truth of His divine nature.
If I never get the opportunity to meet Dr.Heiser in this world , I can't wait to talk to him in the next. God bless you for helping me become spiritually mature and to learn to love to study his word.
Prayers for you my dear and precious teacher!
Excellent video. I love this man! Praise God and praise Jesus!
Thank you Michael.
Love and blessings to you and those you love from Sydney Australia.
What a great teaching
JESUS CHRIST IS KING,……….. AMEN
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Till, til, til the ground
Let your sweat drop down
Eat your bread
Thanks ahead
From dust to dust I'm bound
Verily, verily Jesus did say
I am the bread of life
Eat, eat, eat my book
Chew on every word
In thy mouth sweet as honey
But in thy belly bitter
Awesome job, pointed and simple. Understanding the context, how those reading this at the time it was written, would understand much of this in a very different way that a 21st century Christian would. A tad bit of scholarship is extremely important and helpful
1 Corinthians 11:28-32
28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup.
29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.
30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.
31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment.
32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
In both encounters, it certainly is heavily advised to have your conscience clean.
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Amen ! I love the way how u explain the bible in this humble way ! Thanks Dr Michael Heiser! Hope one day to meet u ! Klea Albania
Awesome video. 😎
Interesting the seeming parallel from the Canaan land of Milk and Honey description to Isaiah describing the young Messiah with "butter and honey" in Isaiah 7:15 and even the Theophany in Genesis 18 of butter and milk...
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Not anymore!
Galatians 4:19-28,30-31 KJVS
[19] My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, [20] I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you. [21] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? [22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. [23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. [24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. [25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. [26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. [27] For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. [28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. [30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. [31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
If this guy would just read Jhn 6, he'd see the purpose of the showbread. God wouldn't need to command that the fresh loaves be regularly consecrated and placed in the Holy Place to teach physical lessons. All of the rituals concerning the tabernacle service had _spiritual_ lessons behind them.
Holy Eucharist Prefigured in Bread of Presence (Showbread) of the Temple in Judaism:
"...the bread may be for a memorial of the oblation of the Lord. Every sabbath they shall be changed before the Lord, being received of the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant: And they shall be Aaron's and his sons', that they may eat them in the holy place: because it is most holy of the sacrifices of the Lord by a perpetual right." [Leviticus 24:7-9]
1) Memorial of the oblation of the Lord
2)Sacrificial Meal
3)The most Holy of Sacrifices by an Everlasting Covenant (mystery)
4)Changed before the Lordevery Sabbath (kept in Tabernacle)
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Eh, ancient near east burned food to the gods as they saw the aroma going up to the heavens as a type of consumption (taste and smell are closely related) and a sharing of a meal with the gods- a type of communing, you could say. In the same sense, there is no reason to believe that the Israelites were doing something different in burning sacrifices, as a type of vaporization instead.
I'm not saying that the Israelites believed that their God must eat, but both the Israelites and the ANE religions would have seen sacrifice as an act of hospitality and communion- a getting on their side, if you will. How does the ANE doctorate not know this?
This is why Israel burned incense in the temple, specifically because of its aroma and the strong connection humanity has had with both taste and scent. Pagans did the same and this is specifically why ancient Rome would demand its citizens burn incense to the Emperor and why specifically early Christians were so against burning incense to the Emperor. They were willing to pay taxes to the Emperor, but burning incense to him was much more scandalous because it offered a type of communion that treated the Caesar as if he were a god. The Jews knew this because sacrifice was just as much an act of communing with their God as it was for the pagan to commune with his god
I know this comment is 5 months old but can you give me the primary sources or any scholarly work that goes into more of the subject of ANE sacrifices and Rituals? I'm also interested in how "aroma going up to the heavens as a type of consumption " were viewed as synonymous.
@@solidsnake497 there's places in scripture where sacrifice is referred to as a pleasing aroma to God which even the Epic of Gilgamesh uses this same connection of aroma and sacrifice. Think of it as how taste and smell are related, as when your too congested to smell it can also make it harder to taste food or even with wine tastings, one is encouraged to breathe the smell of the wine in before drinking.
@@solidsnake497 it looks like one of my comments was removed due to having a link. If you do a search on the Hebrew reah nihoah (ריח ניחוח), and its roots to the Akkadian word nuḫḫu it should point you in the direction you're asking
The priest would eat the offering ??
yep, read yr OT.
Yes. The Levites, as laid out in Leviticus 2:10.
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Yet, over and over again throughout the Torah, eating blood is not being promoted. In fact, it is strictly forbidden.
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Something to ask your local catholic priest: How many communion wafers would you need to eat in order to eat a whole Jesus?
When we receive Holy Communion we receive the whole Christ--Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, living and risen. Regardless of the particle size, the Eucharist is our Communion with the whole Christ, including Himself the Head of His Body the Church, and all His members alive on earth and also the faithful departed who live in Him forever. While ordinary food becomes incorporated into the substance of our body, the Eucharist makes us to be the members of Christ's Body, the Church. This Body is the universal sacrament of salvation. Anyone who knows and refuses cannot be saved.
Is that the official line of the catholic church @@ElizabethDMadison? Sadly, but not surprisingly, it seems to directly contradict scripture, where we are told plainly that salvation rests on nothing more than accepting the witness and testimony of Jesus Christ, and confessing Him before men. Those outward symbols, like baptism and communion are mere tokens. Demonstrations of faith. It is our faith in Jesus, and that alone which spares us from the wrath of the law, and any prince or potentate who told you otherwise for the sake of consolidating their earthly power will have to answer to Him for misleading their flocks on the day of Judgement.
@@JoesWebPresence It wasn't for nothing that God became incarnate. We don't encounter Him merely on a notional level of interior assent and verbalization, but bodily. We aren't meant to be Christians merely in our heads and with words, but as whole persons in union with the whole Christ, in His one body the Church. The Eucharist is the immediate cause of full Christian unity. Jesus tells us in John Chapter 6 that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood or we do not have life in us, but if we eat His flesh and drink His blood we shall have eternal life. It is HE who possesses eternal life. HIS LIFE is eternal life. The good news is that by the grace of His passion, death and resurrection which is made present by Baptism and the Eucharist (remember the water and the blood that poured from His pierced side) we become members of His Body and participants in His eternity and His very Sonship of the Father. Protestants believe something different than the teaching reflected in the New Testament and the teachings of the earliest Christians in the Church founded on the Apostles.
@@JoesWebPresence More of this Anti-Catholic protestant nonsense? Im tired of this, here is a copy paste of some old comment of mine on baptism citing scripture and the Church fathers to show how the earliest Christians interpreted those verses. Maybe I will do the same on the Eucharist tomorrow.
John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
1 Peter 3:19-21
After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits- to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now SAVES you also-not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Acts 22:16
“And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.”
Acts 2:38
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Here is what the Church fathers (the earliest Christian writings after the new testament) have to say about this.
Justin Martyr
“As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly, and instructed to pray and to entreat God with fasting, for the remission of their sins that are past, we pray and fast with them. Then they are brought by us where there is water and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father . . . and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit [Matt. 28:19], they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, ‘Unless you are born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:3]” (First Apology 61 [A.D. 151]).
Irenaeus
“‘And [Naaman] dipped himself . . . seven times in the Jordan’ [2 Kgs. 5:14]. It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [this served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions, being spiritually regenerated as newborn babes, even as the Lord has declared: ‘Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’” (Fragment 34 [A.D. 190]).
Tertullian
“[N]o one can attain salvation without baptism, especially in view of the declaration of the Lord, who says, ‘Unless a man shall be born of water, he shall not have life’” (Baptism 12:1 [A.D. 203]).
Cyprian of Carthage
“[When] they receive also the baptism of the Church . . . then finally can they be fully sanctified and be the sons of God . . . since it is written, ‘Except a man be born again of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God’” (Letters 71[72]:1 [A.D. 253]).
Need I go on?
Did your communion wafers come down from heaven @@ElizabethDMadison?
For the sake of open mindedness, I just read John 6 before writing this response, and is says no such thing, unless you first assume the trans-substantiation lie, and THEN read it! In fact, in John 6:27 Jesus tells us "Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life." Do your wafers endure forever?
Then in verse 47, He says plainly "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life." which you have flatly denied.
Furthermore, in verse 50, He says, speaking of Himself "This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die." A clear alegory. Your communion wafers mostly come from a factory in Rhode Island, not from heaven, and are no guarantee of salvation or eternal life. Faced with these unambiguous and difficult to misunderstand statements about the nature of the bread of life, FROM the bread of life, I can only assume that you have been seriously misinformed by those with a vested interest in having the monopoly on salvation via their 'special' wafers.
The claim of trans-substantiation is an insult to the believer's intelligence and an easily dissproved misinterpretation of the analogy Jesus shared. By all means continue to trust sinful, fallable career religionists dressed in scarlet and seeking to sell salvation to the ignorant masses much like Simon the sourcerer wished to do. I will continue to diligently search the scriptures to see if these things are so, and the things you claim in your (or should I say the catholic church's interpretation of these things are evidently NOT so.
I never understood the eating of the bread aka the body of Christ and drinking the wine aka the blood of Christ. This ritual seems so cannibalistc. Why would I need to eat his body and drink his blood if my creator in Genesis already provided the food for me(fruits, vegetables, herbs, etc). This, to me, is a leftover product of a merger of pagan human ritual sacrifice ceremonies with the new age Christianity under the Constantine.
I think you missed the connection with the passover.
It's Jesus' own teaching, we must eat His very flesh and drink His very blood. What some people miss is that Jesus is risen and alive and whole in the Eucharist, as whole and alive as a Bridegroom coming to embrace His bride. The two forms, bread and wine evoke the separation of the body and blood that was crucial in the Passover sacrifice that is a prefiguration of the Eucharist and in the Lord's actual death. The Eucharistic liturgy is the sacramental re-presentation to the Father of Jesus' once-for-all saving sacrifice on Calvary, which the first Christians described as a sacrifice of thanksgiving for the salvation He has wrought for us by His dying and rising.
A representation @@ElizabethDMadison Yes! A token. A symbolic metaphore, and not, as the catholic church asserts, and as you have claimed in the comment above, the whole Christ body, or our communion with Christ. You can't have it both ways you know. If your only relationship with Christ is as a wafer and some grape juice, then you are yet to know Him, to receive His salvation, and to receive the Holy Spirit of God. This occurs in your heart, submitting to His lordship over your life as a conscious decision which we then outwardly confess to others through such emblems, and not in our stomachs as an adherence to such rituals, which are of no effect on their own, and merely confirm our submission to the dogmas of religious orthodoxy and the traditions of men.
@@JoesWebPresence It is the Lord. I am a Catholic and I attend Mass every day because He is really present in the Eucharist, according to His own words (John 6), according to St Paul (1 Cor 11:29), and according to the earliest Christians (St Ignatius of Antioch, etc). Do not be unbelieving, but believe. The Word became incarnate. He is the cause of the unity of His Body the Church through our reception of the Eucharist, which unlike ordinary food that becomes part of my own body makes me a member of Christ's Body. How much protestants discount the physicality of how the risen Lord Jesus gives Himself to His bride the Church, and how truly one we become with Him!
I believe that you are lost in a dead religion @@ElizabethDMadison. Hidebound to the traditions of men. I believe Jesus, and He guides my path. You believe catholic theologians, and are guided by them. They are rich, powerful, cynical abusers of men, dressed in satanic scarlet robes and adorned with gold and silk.
It IS ordinary food Elizabeth, and doing God's will, following Jesus and having your life hid in HIM, not in that church or in trusting to their dubious traditions makes one a part of His body. It breaks my heart to see you willfully swallow (pun intended) this false doctrine. I pray that God will open your eyes, soften your heart, and reveal to you that the precious gift of salvation is not predicated on their whims.
I believe that you can still be a catholic and be saved by grace (for we ARE saved by grace alone, and not through such dead works) but I cannot, and will NEVER believe that salvation is dependant upon meaningless bits of bread being administered by thoroughly indoctrinated, well paid employees of the richest, most corrupt institution on Earth.
The Gospel:
Plain and
Simple
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent
beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your
minds should be corrupted from the simplicity
that is in Christ.” - 2 Corithians 11:3
Ask someone today if they are saved and
you will most likely hear responses like these:
“I have accepted Jesus into my heart.” Or “I
have made him Lord of my life.” “I’ve been
baptized.” “I said a prayer.” Sounds all good
and churchy don’t it; but it is difficult to de-termine whether or not a person actually
knows the gospel that saves them. These useless phrases don’t describe a thing about what
the gospel is and has left a devastating effect
of people not knowing what it is that they are
saved from nor how they are saved; which
leaves a more serious effect of people questioning their salvation.
Let’s not muddy the simplicity of salvation that is in Christ with vague church
sounding phrases that do not communicate
anything. But rather present God’s word with
clarity and assuredness. So here is the gospel:
plain and simple.
Sin was passed upon all men by one man
Adam, and death is a consequence of this sin
(Rom 5:12). Mankind has an eternal destiny of
condemnation and wrath - Hell - because of
this sin (Rom 6:23). No matter what good
works one might do we are still found sinners
in the sight of our Creator God. And all unrighteousness and those who follow get indignation and wrath. We cannot be found
righteous for by God’s law we are found sinners (Rom 3:19-20). If we have broken even
one law we are found guilty.
It is for this reason of not being able to
create our own righteousness and being born
in a sinful flesh that we need a savior (Titus
3:5). Christ is that Savior, God manifested in
the flesh, sinless, died in our place on a cross
2000 years ago. Taking upon him the wrath
and judgement that was intended for us sinners. And it is through his bloodshed, burial,
and resurrection on our behalf that we are
able to have peace with God and forgiveness
of our sins (1 Cor 15:1-4, Col 3:14). This good
news is unto all but only those that believe in
it are made righteous in Christ (Romans
3:22).
It is then after we have heard this good
news of Christ’s righteousness available to us freely, that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit
and we are now part of Christ’s body the
church (Eph 1:13)
There is nothing that we need to do, no
good works that are required, and no bad
works that can separate us from our new position in Christ (Romans 8:35-39).
Faith and belief in this information from
God’s word is the gospel.
The gospel is not accepting Jesus into your
heart. The gospel is not making him lord of
your life, it is not saying a prayer and it is not
being baptized with water.
So next time someone asks you if you are
saved. Give them the clear assured answer
Yes And let me tell you why
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