The point at the end about us being pilgrims and not building our theological houses in this world is so spot on. That was a great way of summing up of this conversation and what is going on broader evangelicalism today. I came out of the open theist movement and it completely stunted my spiritual growth. For 20 years I went nowhere. If you need an example of this change, look no further than Tony Jones and the emergent church. Tony Jones has completely re-defined the atonement. And it’s not coincidental that he came out of Fuller seminary.
I'm new to these immutable, impassable aspects of God. You used Mal 3:6 as a scriptural example. As I move from vs 6 to 7 I find in 7, "Return to me, and I will return to you, says the Lord of Host's." an apparent change. In the words of God returning isn't there an implication of a change of God dependent upon man's action? Is it that what appears to be a change in God, in reality, is a continuation from one attitude of God prior to regeneration and after, to another apparent attitude but in reality are the same moving out of anthropopathic language? Is it just that we only have anthropopathic language available to us, or what? Please help me get my Born Again yet Swedish blockhead brain around all of this.
The change there is in our relationship to God's unchanging disposition toward sin. God doesn't change; repentance (which He grants as a gift) changes our relationship toward God.
Ironically, Dr. Frame calls what he himself is seemingly guilty of, doctrinal drift. Camden is getting at this feature. Invariably, tamping down is akin to giving in.
The point at the end about us being pilgrims and not building our theological houses in this world is so spot on. That was a great way of summing up of this conversation and what is going on broader evangelicalism today. I came out of the open theist movement and it completely stunted my spiritual growth. For 20 years I went nowhere. If you need an example of this change, look no further than Tony Jones and the emergent church. Tony Jones has completely re-defined the atonement. And it’s not coincidental that he came out of Fuller seminary.
Is there a vos group #1?
Is his book open source?
I'm new to these immutable, impassable aspects of God. You used Mal 3:6 as a scriptural example. As I move from vs 6 to 7 I find in 7, "Return to me, and I will return to you, says the Lord of Host's." an apparent change. In the words of God returning isn't there an implication of a change of God dependent upon man's action? Is it that what appears to be a change in God, in reality, is a continuation from one attitude of God prior to regeneration and after, to another apparent attitude but in reality are the same moving out of anthropopathic language? Is it just that we only have anthropopathic language available to us, or what? Please help me get my Born Again yet Swedish blockhead brain around all of this.
The change there is in our relationship to God's unchanging disposition toward sin. God doesn't change; repentance (which He grants as a gift) changes our relationship toward God.
Ironically, Dr. Frame calls what he himself is seemingly guilty of, doctrinal drift. Camden is getting at this feature. Invariably, tamping down is akin to giving in.