In our church they told us our life will be much worst if we left. My life got so much bette and everyone else I talked to. It’s only difficult at the beginning because there’s a lot of detoxing that needs to occur.
I’ve been scouring the internet for testimonial videos in this format from people who left scj. I think I’ve watched all of them out there (in english at least). I’ve been keeping up with this channel ever since I saw that interview with Chris, an ex scj member. I recommend it, as well as Pieces 4 Peace, little bird, and shincheonji skeptic, to any scj member who is doubting. I can relate to so much Laurie is sharing and i barely hit the 20 minute mark lol. Thank you great light studios for making this video, and thank you laurie for being open about everything you experienced. I have very dear friends in scj who joined in their early 20s and are about to enter their 30s. It makes me sad and upset when i remember all the times they shared with me what they want to do in life (traveling, marriage, vacations, ambitions) yet pushed it off for this greater hope in god’s kingdom… It makes me want to hate god, but it’s really just people that I blame. People are evil and if I’m mad at god, it’s only because it’s people who have created him in their own image. To anyone still healing from any cult experience, your life is too precious to live without peace. Find the answers that will keep you moving forward, and do what you need to feel supported and heard :) I for one am rooting for you!!
Are you referring to Laurie as a physical or spiritual brother? Laurie no longer believes in God. He prefers the world and the science to prove God even exist over faith sister.
@@kaidotran2302 She is my biological sister. We really need to get you a dictionary for Christmas. Your grammar is appalling. Scientific thinking is more reliable that faith. Technology is evidence for this claim. Supernatural existence is in the realm of philosophy, not science. You misunderstand the basics of science.
This was a really awesome interview! Thank you Laurie for sharing your story. I am looking forward to learning more about the SCJ cult on your RUclips channel!
I would recommend you watch SCJ parables and basics of learning the bible to find out if the teachings from the worldly pastors make sense and it's back up within the bible. SCJ teaches the parables and the whole bible very well. People who betray God from Adam to Moses no longer has God's spirit because God can't be with people who has been deceived from Satan. God's spirit is no longer with Laurie because he has allowed Satan's spirit to deceive him. SCJ teaches the OT,NT and revelation, prophecies and fulfillment. Please learn and discern for yourself before you call SCJ's true teaching a cult.
@@kaidotran2302 you do realize that you sound exactly like a WMSCOG member right? Sure, change a few words, and your Korean Jesus sounds EXACTLY like the WMSCOG Korean Jesus.
@@kaidotran2302 If that’s the only “proof”, using the term VERY loosely, you need to believe in the SCJ, you would love the WMSCOG. Different Korean Jesus AND another made up character, “god the mother.” They “explain” everything in the Bible, have their own prophecies and parables too. It doesn’t prove anything! Or how about the Moonies or JMS? No matter how you package it, it’s still a huge bowl of 💩. You cults really need to step up your game because all of your so called teachings have been done before 🤣🤣🤣 Your narcissistic leaders are just bored sociopaths with nothing better to do that ruin peoples lives.
@@SCJSkeptic Like I stated you left so God's spirit is no longer in you so you prefer the secular world and it's things. You prefer Satan's world and the things he provide you. I want to know the bible and have understand it through SCJ's teachings and not from the worldly pastors. I have a life, I work, I have nice worldly things and it satisfies me to a certain extent. SCJ has never tell me to stop living my life. I urge you to be with family, friends, and be me. My citizenship is in heaven not here. I prefer to be with God and Jesus one day, not be a part of Satan's world. That's why having faith is so important!!
I'm curious to see how WMSCOG members react to the current wave of SCJ videos. The two cults behave and act the same, and are basically carbon copies of each other in terms of their mindset and corruption.
They will not react nor comment nor debate because they have been taught, programmed and manipulated with false doctrine of the second coming Christ Anghsunghong and mother god, Anghsunghong was born in a family who were Buddhist, idol worshipers, He grew and was brought up in a family that worshipped idol, that itself proves that he is a fake second Christ, likewise the mother god, with such things how can they be God, will God share his glory with such persons, think about it, but they hide they hide the first 30 yrs life of Anghsunghong and create their own doctrines and prophesies which is nowhere in the bible nor the prophets or Jesus said or prophesied about the so called mother god. All they know is to ignore and reject what Jesus actually taught. They do exactly opposite of what Jesus commanded. They do not know what Jesus commanded, there are lots of examples and commands of Jesus Christ in the Gospel of Luke which is totally ignored and rejected by the WMSCOG. The way they boast and behave is exactly like the pharisees, not a bit like and what jesus commanded, they are the modern pharisees. 100%.
@@Penguinsxz how do you define cults? I am not forced to worship SCJ pastor or have given them any money. I have a life and I hang out with my friends and family. SCJ is not my only family. I have learned much from SCJ teachings
@@kaidotran2302 look into high control groups and the BITE model by Stephen Hassan. He goes into detail of the difference between a healthy religious group and a unhealthy group. At the root of every high control group is deception, and SCJ has a long history of lying.
How do people still be trapped in this cult? Even those who seems logical are not leaving, and those who looks like they are not paying attention (leaders)
I am sorry, but they ask you for personal information, passport, address etc. Next thing you know they will slip up and ask for social security and sign a waiver. What stopping us from reporting them to local authority as cyber threat? Lee Man Hee got under investigation because of the covid trials. However that was just for him, what about the whole church itself.
They use lots of tactics to make you stay, hard to have the heath or time to critically think because they made us so busy all the time. I also was too afraid to leave because they indoctrinated a phobia of living outside of the cult. The people that I trusted the most guided me there ad my whole support system was in that church. It can be very complicated and hard to even understand you need to leave.
@Ali-b3p8o but over time, is it possible for those to leave? Because I have a few people in there that I am like leave. It is similar addiction to drugs and alcohol.
SCJ calls WMOSC (mother God church ) a cult and tell members not to evangelize ppl from that cult because the spirit in them is too strong they won’t be able to accept SCJ doctrine
By the way it's sad to say that people right in the OT found it difficult to obey the 10 commandments and accept GOD...in the OT could not follow and accept our Lord Jesus and follow the accumulated TWO important laws and now the Book of Revelation would the people too be able to accept the HOLY SPIRIT and accept the second coming of JESUS CHRIST? I think if people cannot go through the narrow gate they could just leave but do not slander...well they did it with Jesus...they called HIM the son of the devil..so its gonna happen again...I bet it's gonna be tough for those people.its very difficult to get onto the narrow path and follow the way Christ lived according to the will of the Father.We are human and cannot be perfect but we can try to be Christ like if we allow HIM to dwell in and with us .. AMEN!
Some of us merely need evidence before we become convinced. If there is no evidence then we don't accept a claim. Its as simple as that. Claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Hello members of WMSCOG show me where in the bible did prophets or Jesus said prophesied about mother god, because your prophesies and doctrines and interpretation is totally out of context and cherry picking.
The road less traveled is the narrow path, not many take it, why? It's not easy, so then in order to justify ones reasoning, one will do anything and say anything to comfort their actions, circumstances, relationship and environment, that's why there is warnings through out Scripture.
I think the path you walk in life is fundamentally irrational. There is simply zero evidence for any of the supernatural beliefs of SCJ. If you have issues with my reasoning then perhaps you can point out logical fallacies.
Gods ways are much higher than a mans. You want God to be a human but he’s not; sadly faith is needed to know God but most people don’t have faith in what they can’t see or understand..
You left my dear brother because you didn't perceive, I am so sorry, Unfortunately perception is only given by Jesus, Mt 11 :27 you had an issue with a person, but, did you find fault with the WORD?
@@GreatLightStudios of course yes, and that is what should be done, we can't accept them tell the liars . We just need to set appropriate time with our Bible in our hands
I think that science is the best way to acquire knowledge. Since we have a subjective experience of an objective reality, we need a reliable method to acquire knowledge so that we can align our experience with reality. The evidence that science is the best way to acquire knowledge is because it has been able to consistently and accurately produce effective results through the development and implementation of technology. Science relies on a system of checks and balances. In science, ideas can never be completely proved or disproved with complete certainty (it deals with probability rather than necessity). Rather, in science we accept or reject ideas based on supporting or opposing evidence (not merely based on intuition, authority, popularity, and tradition). In science, we try to disprove (falsify) scientific ideas, and when we can’t, we reason from the available evidence to its logical conclusion. Science is a process designed to challenge ideas, not to try to confirm them. Science is a way through which we can reduce uncertainty, not a way through which we achieve complete certainty since this limits our ability to change our mind based on new evidence. Science is a community effort (based on interaction between a diverse group of scientists) rather than an individual effort. The diversity of people within the scientific community minimize bias and maximize fairness. Accepted scientific ideas are reliable (but still fallible) because they have been subjected to rigorous (very diligent and strict) testing and scrutiny (critical independent examinations according to high standards to ensure high quality). However, as new compelling evidence is acquired these ideas can be revised (re-examined and changed). Therefore, scientific conclusions are always tentative, and science is an ongoing self-corrective process that continuously leads to new ideas, questions, research, and discoveries (science depends on cumulative knowledge to make progress).
@@MarcusAlvin-w1f what evidence do you have to say that so assertively? Give evidence when you accuse other people of something. Otherwise, that’s called “slander” Don’t falsely accuse people who testify the truth 🙏🙏🙏 that’s what the devil does
I did feel peace and love at times yes. My experience in SCJ was mostly positive. I met great people there and loved belonging to a community. However, I was rather shocked how quickly they turned on me and blocked me simply because I was no longer convinced of what they believe. I never tried to actively get anyone out of SCJ but they treated me as their enemy and considered my questions to be a threat to them. Most of the people I met in SCJ were sincerely convinced of what SCJ teaches. However, the higher I moved up in structure the more I realized that the organization is more interested in reaching goals and growing their membership than following the truth. This is why they don't like people embracing skepticism. I want to follow that which is true regardless of how it makes me feel.
@@SCJSkeptic I understand it, and they hurt my feelings so much. They use loveboom, suddenly change to be aggressive and rude once I left. It’s proving that they’re not god’s people.
@@saasa3146yes. When I left the people I was close to stopped talking to me. Very strange. The girl that brought me there who I considered a very close friend even blocked me. That caught me by surprise
@@95luannaable yes, I still think about them from time to time. And I still don’t hate them. Used to be angry so much with them. Church does like this to all people, it’s very toxic for everyone. And I start to believe more and more, SCJ is using people for own benefits. It’s real god, cos god never teach to lie. It’s hard to know right and wrong with them, cos they always gaslight you.
In our church they told us our life will be much worst if we left. My life got so much bette and everyone else I talked to. It’s only difficult at the beginning because there’s a lot of detoxing that needs to occur.
I’ve been scouring the internet for testimonial videos in this format from people who left scj. I think I’ve watched all of them out there (in english at least). I’ve been keeping up with this channel ever since I saw that interview with Chris, an ex scj member. I recommend it, as well as Pieces 4 Peace, little bird, and shincheonji skeptic, to any scj member who is doubting. I can relate to so much Laurie is sharing and i barely hit the 20 minute mark lol. Thank you great light studios for making this video, and thank you laurie for being open about everything you experienced. I have very dear friends in scj who joined in their early 20s and are about to enter their 30s. It makes me sad and upset when i remember all the times they shared with me what they want to do in life (traveling, marriage, vacations, ambitions) yet pushed it off for this greater hope in god’s kingdom… It makes me want to hate god, but it’s really just people that I blame. People are evil and if I’m mad at god, it’s only because it’s people who have created him in their own image. To anyone still healing from any cult experience, your life is too precious to live without peace. Find the answers that will keep you moving forward, and do what you need to feel supported and heard :) I for one am rooting for you!!
great interview. thanks for sharing ur experiences
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Great video! Proud to be your sister ❤
Proud to be your brother 🥰✌
Are you referring to Laurie as a physical or spiritual brother? Laurie no longer believes in God. He prefers the world and the science to prove God even exist over faith sister.
@@kaidotran2302 She is my biological sister. We really need to get you a dictionary for Christmas. Your grammar is appalling.
Scientific thinking is more reliable that faith. Technology is evidence for this claim.
Supernatural existence is in the realm of philosophy, not science. You misunderstand the basics of science.
@@SCJSkeptic Yours is so much better SS
@@kaidotran2302 I don't understand what you are referring to.
This was a really awesome interview! Thank you Laurie for sharing your story. I am looking forward to learning more about the SCJ cult on your RUclips channel!
I would recommend you watch SCJ parables and basics of learning the bible to find out if the teachings from the worldly pastors make sense and it's back up within the bible. SCJ teaches the parables and the whole bible very well. People who betray God from Adam to Moses no longer has God's spirit because God can't be with people who has been deceived from Satan. God's spirit is no longer with Laurie because he has allowed Satan's spirit to deceive him. SCJ teaches the OT,NT and revelation, prophecies and fulfillment. Please learn and discern for yourself before you call SCJ's true teaching a cult.
@@kaidotran2302 you do realize that you sound exactly like a WMSCOG member right?
Sure, change a few words, and your Korean Jesus sounds EXACTLY like the WMSCOG Korean Jesus.
@@kaidotran2302 If that’s the only “proof”, using the term VERY loosely, you need to believe in the SCJ, you would love the WMSCOG. Different Korean Jesus AND another made up character, “god the mother.” They “explain” everything in the Bible, have their own prophecies and parables too. It doesn’t prove anything! Or how about the Moonies or JMS? No matter how you package it, it’s still a huge bowl of 💩. You cults really need to step up your game because all of your so called teachings have been done before 🤣🤣🤣 Your narcissistic leaders are just bored sociopaths with nothing better to do that ruin peoples lives.
@@kaidotran2302 Name one thing I said that is false? Labeling me as deceived without evidence shows intellectual laziness from your side.
@@SCJSkeptic Like I stated you left so God's spirit is no longer in you so you prefer the secular world and it's things. You prefer Satan's world and the things he provide you. I want to know the bible and have understand it through SCJ's teachings and not from the worldly pastors.
I have a life, I work, I have nice worldly things and it satisfies me to a certain extent. SCJ has never tell me to stop living my life. I urge you to be with family, friends, and be me. My citizenship is in heaven not here. I prefer to be with God and Jesus one day, not be a part of Satan's world.
That's why having faith is so important!!
I used to be in Shincheonj, I left in 2019.
Sad, because it was the truth I saw Jesus and a lot, you should’ve ask God first and testify with the word. Don’t trust your own feelings.
@@JesusIsRealBiblewe should trust our feelings
"goat like believer", if you didn't obey leaders is familiar from when I was a member of the WMCCOG.
I'm curious to see how WMSCOG members react to the current wave of SCJ videos.
The two cults behave and act the same, and are basically carbon copies of each other in terms of their mindset and corruption.
They will not react nor comment nor debate because they have been taught, programmed and manipulated with false doctrine of the second coming Christ Anghsunghong and mother god, Anghsunghong was born in a family who were Buddhist, idol worshipers, He grew and was brought up in a family that worshipped idol, that itself proves that he is a fake second Christ, likewise the mother god, with such things how can they be God, will God share his glory with such persons, think about it, but they hide they hide the first 30 yrs life of Anghsunghong and create their own doctrines and prophesies which is nowhere in the bible nor the prophets or Jesus said or prophesied about the so called mother god. All they know is to ignore and reject what Jesus actually taught. They do exactly opposite of what Jesus commanded. They do not know what Jesus commanded, there are lots of examples and commands of Jesus Christ in the Gospel of Luke which is totally ignored and rejected by the WMSCOG. The way they boast and behave is exactly like the pharisees, not a bit like and what jesus commanded, they are the modern pharisees. 100%.
@@anthonyjohn9000 sounds exactly like scj lol. Man, these korean cults I swear haha..
Just like businesses being 'inspired' by each other. These two cults are no different. It's clearly a business strategy.
@@Penguinsxz how do you define cults? I am not forced to worship SCJ pastor or have given them any money. I have a life and I hang out with my friends and family. SCJ is not my only family. I have learned much from SCJ teachings
@@kaidotran2302 look into high control groups and the BITE model by Stephen Hassan. He goes into detail of the difference between a healthy religious group and a unhealthy group.
At the root of every high control group is deception, and SCJ has a long history of lying.
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How do people still be trapped in this cult? Even those who seems logical are not leaving, and those who looks like they are not paying attention (leaders)
Indoctrination is a powerful thing
@@SCJSkeptic yes but what they are doing is borderline illegal
I am sorry, but they ask you for personal information, passport, address etc. Next thing you know they will slip up and ask for social security and sign a waiver. What stopping us from reporting them to local authority as cyber threat? Lee Man Hee got under investigation because of the covid trials. However that was just for him, what about the whole church itself.
They use lots of tactics to make you stay, hard to have the heath or time to critically think because they made us so busy all the time. I also was too afraid to leave because they indoctrinated a phobia of living outside of the cult. The people that I trusted the most guided me there ad my whole support system was in that church. It can be very complicated and hard to even understand you need to leave.
@Ali-b3p8o but over time, is it possible for those to leave? Because I have a few people in there that I am like leave. It is similar addiction to drugs and alcohol.
I dont know how you guys stayed for 7 year. I am being the bible study for 6 month. About 4 weeks I started seeing all red flag.
I got into the zoom Bible study but left after 6 months.
I left 3 days ago. Best decision!
SCJ calls WMOSC (mother God church ) a cult and tell members not to evangelize ppl from that cult because the spirit in them is too strong they won’t be able to accept SCJ doctrine
Yeah 😂
Perhaps because they have the same doctrine haha
Take us to the joint interview that people should have opportunity to listen to debate. Bias Bias Bias
Can we do an online debate? I have wanted to do a debate with an SCJ person for a long time now but everyone I asked didn't follow through.
@@MarcusAlvin-w1f please don’t run away!! 😊😊😊
By the way it's sad to say that people right in the OT found it difficult to obey the 10 commandments and accept GOD...in the OT could not follow and accept our Lord Jesus and follow the accumulated TWO important laws and now the Book of Revelation would the people too be able to accept the HOLY SPIRIT and accept the second coming of JESUS CHRIST? I think if people cannot go through the narrow gate they could just leave but do not slander...well they did it with Jesus...they called HIM the son of the devil..so its gonna happen again...I bet it's gonna be tough for those people.its very difficult to get onto the narrow path and follow the way Christ lived according to the will of the Father.We are human and cannot be perfect but we can try to be Christ like if we allow HIM to dwell in and with us .. AMEN!
Some of us merely need evidence before we become convinced. If there is no evidence then we don't accept a claim. Its as simple as that.
Claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Hello members of WMSCOG show me where in the bible did prophets or Jesus said prophesied about mother god, because your prophesies and doctrines and interpretation is totally out of context and cherry picking.
@MV In Anthony's comment he addresses "members of WMSCOG" and does not state anything about SCJ
The road less traveled is the narrow path, not many take it, why? It's not easy, so then in order to justify ones reasoning, one will do anything and say anything to comfort their actions, circumstances, relationship and environment, that's why there is warnings through out Scripture.
I think the path you walk in life is fundamentally irrational. There is simply zero evidence for any of the supernatural beliefs of SCJ. If you have issues with my reasoning then perhaps you can point out logical fallacies.
Gods ways are much higher than a mans. You want God to be a human but he’s not; sadly faith is needed to know God but most people don’t have faith in what they can’t see or understand..
@@stevejobz9900 Faith can be used to justify belief in literally any proposition. Therefore, it's epistemically meaningless.
i doubt you are reading the Scripture because I know you guys only focus on LMH teachings
You left my dear brother because you didn't perceive, I am so sorry, Unfortunately perception is only given by Jesus, Mt 11 :27 you had an issue with a person, but, did you find fault with the WORD?
I think you are confusing perception with understanding. I have found fault with SCJ's doctrine. I have made a few videos on it.
Are you content with collaborating with an individual who does not acknowledge the presence of the Holy Spirit?
Yes.
Actually the presenter is so bias, I though u should interview with us who are still at SCJ. U just interview one sided to favour your opinion. Shame
Hi Marcus, would you be willing to come onto a video and discuss/debate with a former member like Laurie?
@@GreatLightStudios of course yes, and that is what should be done, we can't accept them tell the liars . We just need to set appropriate time with our Bible in our hands
Is this video up yet? I wana see the debate.
😅 this guy thinks science is objective!
I think that science is the best way to acquire knowledge. Since we have a subjective experience of an objective reality, we need a reliable method to acquire knowledge so that we can align our experience with reality. The evidence that science is the best way to acquire knowledge is because it has been able to consistently and accurately produce effective results through the development and implementation of technology.
Science relies on a system of checks and balances. In science, ideas can never be completely proved or disproved with complete certainty (it deals with probability rather than necessity). Rather, in science we accept or reject ideas based on supporting or opposing evidence (not merely based on intuition, authority, popularity, and tradition). In science, we try to disprove (falsify) scientific ideas, and when we can’t, we reason from the available evidence to its logical conclusion. Science is a process designed to challenge ideas, not to try to confirm them. Science is a way through which we can reduce uncertainty, not a way through which we achieve complete certainty since this limits our ability to change our mind based on new evidence.
Science is a community effort (based on interaction between a diverse group of scientists) rather than an individual effort. The diversity of people within the scientific community minimize bias and maximize fairness. Accepted scientific ideas are reliable (but still fallible) because they have been subjected to rigorous (very diligent and strict) testing and scrutiny (critical independent examinations according to high standards to ensure high quality). However, as new compelling evidence is acquired these ideas can be revised (re-examined and changed). Therefore, scientific conclusions are always tentative, and science is an ongoing self-corrective process that continuously leads to new ideas, questions, research, and discoveries (science depends on cumulative knowledge to make progress).
These are fake people who came SCJ for fame or money. It is unfortunate that SCJ is for true word of God and internal life
It isn’t. I’m already in their Bible study and they said hee man Lee is the savior
If I wanted fame or money then I wouldn't have joined SCJ since those things are not found in SCJ
@@MarcusAlvin-w1f what evidence do you have to say that so assertively? Give evidence when you accuse other people of something. Otherwise, that’s called “slander” Don’t falsely accuse people who testify the truth 🙏🙏🙏 that’s what the devil does
This is the lie, at SCJ the only saviour is Jesus Christ. Lee Man Hee is a mere promised pastor to work on behalf of Jesus at this times.
@@SCJSkeptic now you are used to get fame. But the reality is only at SCJ the true meaning of bible is taught
Hi Laurie. Did you feel peace and love while you were in SCJ or just on duties on the times?
I did feel peace and love at times yes. My experience in SCJ was mostly positive. I met great people there and loved belonging to a community. However, I was rather shocked how quickly they turned on me and blocked me simply because I was no longer convinced of what they believe. I never tried to actively get anyone out of SCJ but they treated me as their enemy and considered my questions to be a threat to them. Most of the people I met in SCJ were sincerely convinced of what SCJ teaches. However, the higher I moved up in structure the more I realized that the organization is more interested in reaching goals and growing their membership than following the truth. This is why they don't like people embracing skepticism. I want to follow that which is true regardless of how it makes me feel.
@@SCJSkeptic I understand it, and they hurt my feelings so much. They use loveboom, suddenly change to be aggressive and rude once I left. It’s proving that they’re not god’s people.
@@saasa3146yes. When I left the people I was close to stopped talking to me. Very strange. The girl that brought me there who I considered a very close friend even blocked me. That caught me by surprise
@@95luannaable yes, I still think about them from time to time. And I still don’t hate them. Used to be angry so much with them. Church does like this to all people, it’s very toxic for everyone. And I start to believe more and more, SCJ is using people for own benefits. It’s real god, cos god never teach to lie. It’s hard to know right and wrong with them, cos they always gaslight you.
@@95luannaable seriously, I can say that group truly have some problems. Recruit people in, then we don’t believe. Hate us, and rude to us.