Yup. Mozilla as a company only exists to be 'controlled opposition' so spawning a company Chromilla and 'doin it again' wouldn't worry anyone's spreadsheets.
@@RoyalProtectorate Most of Mozilla's user base is pretty much Firefox and Thunderbird. If they want to make other products that will make them money in the long run while keeping services like Firefox and Thunderbird free and open source, I'm okay with that. Google has been doing that with Android and Chromium.
@@RoyalProtectorate Oh, but they still do everything in their power to destroy trust of their userbase. Changes nobody asked for, only to revert back after backlash.
I've been taking up gardening this past year. It's nice and relaxing. Technology seems to be withering away whilst I am finding my plants to be a lot more rewarding and satisfying.
I have a slightly different view of it. I think that a lot of older tech has grown decrepit and is being replaced by newer more mobile projects with more energy and momentum to them. It feels a bit bad right now, but this sort of breakup is pretty common in most industries, and I think the field will feel really great in about three years. Not a bad time to hibernate for a while and spend some time on hobbies, though! I personally caught up on some older novels recently. If you never got around to it it’s not a bad time to review the classics.
Maintaining a balance between watering yourself with your interests and drowing is the key for long term interest in anything. Example, privacy security person enforces incredibly strong security measures to a point where he finds them hard/annoying to follow and stops doing them at all.
how many Meta or Facebook services do you use? Instagram? WhatsApp? Facebook? those might be three now try counting how many Google services you use and it will be more than you can count on your fingers.
you'd be surprised how aggressive Facebook (or meta) in collecting private information about people. Including people who don't even have meta accounts! it's shocking. I wish DOJ would just lock up Zuckerberg in a dark cave.
I don't understand the monopoly lawsuit against Google. There are other search engine competitors in the market (Bing, Brave), a myriad of browsers, so it's not like they are impeding others.
It sounds like getting funds out of the failing organization while there is still something to get out. So they threw a party. I bet it was quite wild.
@@endless2239 Many of us know good and well that Microsoft simply reformulates coding patterns using a structure that has not been made illegal yet. Every time the government identifies what they are doing as illegal, MS simply changes the coding patterns.
They did but then they settled. I always figured the "settlement" was all .gov intelligence agencies are granted backdoor access to their kernel in exchange for them not being broken up and Gates going to prison
@@endless2239 Yes. The problem persists though. Does anyone else think the situation with MS now is actually worse than it was 20+ years ago? Does anyone else think Google might be the only King Kong protecting us from Godzilla MS?
Finally switching full time to Brave after decades of Firefox use b/c the writing is clearly on the wall this time and that is saying a lot b/c Mozilla has been tripping over themselves for the past decade. Ladybird can't come fast enough.
@@GASTBF Vivaldi is good, it is actually different from the other browsers and I was going back and forth the last week from Vivaldi and Brave too. They are both Chromium so the base rendering is the same, so your choice is down to personal preference and features
Maybe more adware, spyware and anti-white racism will help? Trying to make an OS using HTML and JS certainly didn't. Mind you that was barely even two billion dollars wasted.
@@lukewood2662 No, firefox OS, which was basically a linux kernel that ran the Firefox browser engine. You can still buy a distant descendant of Firefox OS called Kai OS.
Dropped them for good when they fired Brendan Eich for a donation he personally made. My decision was confirmed when they went on their anti free speech rant. They could have shown true belief in openness and tolerance of ideas, lost a few users and employees, but went hard in the wrong direction slowly losing most. RIP Mozilla.
So if Mozilla goes under, how will the many Firefox based browsers keep operating? They have been dependent on Mozilla to keep the basic Firefox engine maintained.
Yeah, this is what really scares me. Firefox is the only browser I've found on Linux where video playback hardware acceleration works with an AMD GPU. I also love the "fling" effect Firefox now enables by default on Wayland. It's just so smooth and responsive. I would hate to switch to a Chromium based browser, so much so that if this happens I'd probably just get a MacBook and call it a day.
AS much as I used and still kinda love Firefox up until now, I have been wondering what Mozilla have been doing since a decade. I was confused by the Firefox OS and from there it went south. Steadily. I think it is sad, but they f****d around and found out. They had the keys to the kingdom and year after year they did their best to threw them away.
If this were to be established by law then Apple. And Microsoft as business models would also qualify as monopolies under this condition and would need to be broken up. Apple's own eco system functions as a much bigger Monopoly then Google maintaining Android
I don't understand why a company even has to be a thing. Just open source it and let the community handle it. If we can do whole operating systems we can do a fucking browser.
Fortunately, the DEI virus from the blue-haired nose-ringed activists which have infiltrated the Mozilla foundation doesn't affect the Firefox software installed on my computer.
@@JoeSmith-pu9hiit's incredible, cause in the past one of the main reasons I recommended Firefox was that it didn't eat up RAM while being as fast as Chrome
Browsers were a dime a dozen in the early 2000's, if this comes to pass they will be again. However, I'm pretty sure that a company the magnitude of Google has at least a googol of tricks up it's sleeve to maintain it's position in one way or another. I mean, I'm hopeful that they don't. This has the potential to cause utter chaos in the tech sphere and that's exactly what we need rn tbh.
So, Firefox is probably on the way out, unless some super based devs manage to pull off a maintained fork of it, Ladybird isn’t ready yet, and probably isn’t planned to be for at least another year, and Google Chrome is probably going to shift massively in usability as it becomes just…Chrome (I imagine the Chromium engine won’t maintain the same level of support as it has now, either). Is…Microsoft Edge going to get a unique browser engine again and we end up having to choose between running Safari and Edge through compatibility layers on Linux…?
This has been a long time in coming. This is not government interference - it is government enforcing existing regulations to prevent one company from getting a death-grip on the internet.
Yeah, and tbh the real value is in its rendering engines (Gecko/Quantum and SpiderMonkey). The UI and other browser features don't matter as much; it's much easier to build a new browser around an existing rendering engine (which is why Opera, Vivaldi, Brave, and even Edge are built on Chromium's rendering engines). But right now Chromium's engines (Blink and V8) have such a huge marketshare that letting alternatives die could make for a pretty dystopian future. Apple's WebKit certainly isn't coming in to save the day...
Honestly Mozilla deserves what's coming down the pipes. I love Firefox as a product, but Mozilla has been grossly negligent in their management of the project.
Is Elon going to buy the GOOGOO or Mozilla? Seriously, Mozilla Firefox was always open source so I hopefully assume that all the privacy and security based browsers that are based on Firefox will still be able to *NOT be influenced by this and will be able to be maintained without Mozilla? Right?
3D and Virtual gaming and Computing was a total failure. Remember the Meta World that was going to take computing by storm, failed. Now there seems to a proliferation of companies doing Ai, only one problem, the majority of people do not want to use it. This too will fail.
VR gaming wasnt a total failure. its not a big hit but its enough to get another gen of hardware from valve. LLM Ai is a failure but AI itself is a hit for games.
Except at the moment it's still possible to get away from or (somewhat) work around Apple. Now, in the upcoming version of MacOS if Apple decides to **ONLY** allow installing applications from the Apple App Store, THEN there can be a case against them.
@SenileOtaku it really depends on your social group. It's quite annoying to use Android when most people around you use iPhones. Also, iOS is a much more popular operating system than macOS. I don't think the big government is going to do anything about it.
@@tomsmith6513 Not any more than an Android flagship, especialyl if you get them as part of a new multi-year phone plan contract. The carriers subsidize the cost.
1. Mozilla can start actively soliciting donations, which it's not doing now. Wikipedia-style, like Jimmy Wales staring into your soul. Monthly donation target as was seen on Reddit. 2. Cut down on unrelated expenses, like DEI programs and other progressive initiatives.
EDIT: Nevermind, this sounds like it's actually going to be positive. I didn't think about it enough lol. This is likely going to end very very badly. Google profits massively from their ads business, which allows them to not be too concerned about money on side projects like Android and Chrome, as long as some of them succeed sometimes. I suspect whoever buys them will likely try to cash out as much money from them as quick as possible. Which is bad. Very bad.
If Google had to sell Chrome, couldn't they just make a Brand New Web Browser based on Chromium, because it is fully Open Source? And call it anything but Chrome, like The "Google Browser"? 😮
Yeah, they can, but they wouldn't rule over the Chromium project anymore. So, Google wouldn't be putting the rules over most browsers anymore, they would have just another fork.
Mozilla should become like Proton and charge an annual fee for premium access to the suite. With the same conviction for privacy that they have now. People would pay!
So Microsoft will dev Chromium, so they can continue using it in Edge and we go back to the old IE like days. But also, that future of Mozilla they describe just sounds like some new speak for bankruptcy.
One thing's for certain; if there's NO dominant browser in the market, then web developers will have to START doing their f**king jobs and test against ALL browsers, instead of shoving a minimal test against a single OS/browser combo and call their job done.
I'd pay for Firefox. Just god in heaven don't make it a subscription. But I'd TOTALLY pay 25 bucks for each major release of Firefox… say about once a year or so.
So would I, if zero cents of that went to the insane asylum called the Mozilla foundation (or, if the Mozilla foundation kicked out the cultural marxist activists and went back to supporting FOSS development).
the writting is on the wall. i cancelled my premium firefox relay subscription and made sure none of my accounts have a relay in the login or contact infos. I'm still unsure what to pick. nothing is as effective as firefox+ublock+privacy badger
It would be pretty sad to see Mozilla abandoning Firefox. I hope this 25 year plan you mention gets abandoned (like they do with many good projects) and they take another route.
I pray that Firefox sticks around. It is by far the best browser I've used on Linux (IMHO). Scrolling (including the "fling" effect) is super smooth, and hardware acceleration works on Intel and AMD GPUs. If Firefox disappears, I'll probably move away from Linux (especially after the "Maintainers File" fiasco and Linus's idiotic comment on the subject).
So Alphabet should sell chromium open source project or only frame called Chrome (with Google tracking). Cool. Next step is to force Microsoft to sell Bing browser witch is as well build on Chromium but with Microsoft's tracking instead of Googles?
Microsoft basing their re-engineered Edge browser on Chromium was just a stupid idea anyway. At this point Google has become their major competitor, so basing Edge on a project so heavily controlled by a major competitor was a bonehead move. But I guess basing it on a Mozilla/Gecko/Firefox codebase (being a descendent of the very same Mozilla browser MS tried to kill before) would have been SO ironic their heads would have exploded.
ChromeOS is supposed to be merged/superseeded by Android on Chromebooks so any Android change would impact even that. But still curious if Google when pushed could use nuclear options and pretty much kill Android in a way.
The insanity of all this is that all the browsers are just about to become insecure if this goes through because Firefox won’t have any money and Google won’t be able to maintain chrome. Most of the alternatives people use in the FOSS world are downstream of these browsers. Browser codebases are just insanely huge. The pipelines are incredibly large and convoluted. I know there’s going to be other browsers coming out of this, but in the interim people are just gonna get hacked through their browsers.
Google getting "preferential treatment" in a bad way. Where are other mega-corporations (Meta, Amazon, you name it) what are monopolizing market (maybe). Why are they haven't got any pressure? What's very unfair.
If Goggle loses Android, Android is done being what it is. Whoever buys it, will rename it and make it as closed-source as Apple does with her own mobile OS.
I find the decision to be very questionable. No one would want to be forced to sell their business by a third party. And considering Google’s revenue model is a miracle we get to use so many of their services for free. I think the consequences will probably be big and bad; we might lose the free Google services as consumers
So Microsoft buys Chrome and shuts down Chromium and Firefox? Becomes a monopoly power over browser + search. We swap one monopoly for another, the one with the laptop operating system dominance?
And it also seems insane to me that they’re doing this to Google and not to Microsoft when Google doesn’t really compare to Microsoft in the type of abuse that they do to consumers.
Netscape is opensource and it used to be the best browser...somebody get busy! 😊 where's a whip emoji when you need one! Seriously, if Firefix is going down the tubes and maybe Chrome, that retro Netscape without any AI could be awesome again! And do a modem dialing up when it launches! I'd pay for that!
You kind of forgot to mention the issue until about 6 minutes in. All you mentioned was Google possibly having to sell Chrome and Android, neither of which affects Firefox. It wasn't until about 6 minutes in that you mentioned it was basically guaranteed that Google would have to cease the default search engine agreements.
Chrome will be bought by "Not Google LLC" in Marshall Islands
the web3 is going to be static, the default browser will be w3m
Yup. Mozilla as a company only exists to be 'controlled opposition' so spawning a company Chromilla and 'doin it again' wouldn't worry anyone's spreadsheets.
Maybe a chinese giant can buy Android + Chrome at the same time
Microsoft gonna buy it
Hope Mozilla CEO gets his new yacht from his next pay-raise
she will switch to buying toy yachts in 9 months
Greedy bastards.
Mozilla is a non-profit organization
@@MiyazakisPVPexperience That does not mean the CEO does it for free.
@@MiyazakisPVPexperience You think that means that people don't get paid?😂
This is Mozilla's fault for relying on Google so long and dropping projects that would've help their funding in the long term.
Mozilla just doesn't have any way to sustain itself even if it tried without destroying the trust of its small user base
@@RoyalProtectorate Most of Mozilla's user base is pretty much Firefox and Thunderbird. If they want to make other products that will make them money in the long run while keeping services like Firefox and Thunderbird free and open source, I'm okay with that. Google has been doing that with Android and Chromium.
Most definitely. The path of least resistance is so seductive...
@@RoyalProtectorate Oh, but they still do everything in their power to destroy trust of their userbase. Changes nobody asked for, only to revert back after backlash.
Mozilla laid of his browser team years ago, and they wonder why they are collapsing
glad they protested the horrors of capitalism by having massive fucking parties
As champagne socialists always do.
@@LedoCool1 Neatly stated.
Yep! Nothing shines a light on the horrors of capitalism like having large sex parties.
Its all money laundry speak
I've been taking up gardening this past year. It's nice and relaxing.
Technology seems to be withering away whilst I am finding my plants to be a lot more rewarding and satisfying.
I have a slightly different view of it. I think that a lot of older tech has grown decrepit and is being replaced by newer more mobile projects with more energy and momentum to them. It feels a bit bad right now, but this sort of breakup is pretty common in most industries, and I think the field will feel really great in about three years. Not a bad time to hibernate for a while and spend some time on hobbies, though!
I personally caught up on some older novels recently. If you never got around to it it’s not a bad time to review the classics.
Maintaining a balance between watering yourself with your interests and drowing is the key for long term interest in anything. Example, privacy security person enforces incredibly strong security measures to a point where he finds them hard/annoying to follow and stops doing them at all.
420 getting blazed brrruuuuhhhh
Why is Google the only one getting this treatment? Tell Meta to sell off Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp next.
how many Meta or Facebook services do you use? Instagram? WhatsApp? Facebook? those might be three now try counting how many Google services you use and it will be more than you can count on your fingers.
you'd be surprised how aggressive Facebook (or meta) in collecting private information about people. Including people who don't even have meta accounts! it's shocking. I wish DOJ would just lock up Zuckerberg in a dark cave.
Because this lawsuit is against Google.
@@unter1103 Meta has more data on people than Google and they are killing it with ads on FB
I don't understand the monopoly lawsuit against Google. There are other search engine competitors in the market (Bing, Brave), a myriad of browsers, so it's not like they are impeding others.
"The Climate Justice using AI" sounds like a grifter's scheme :S
Buzzword salad
It sounds like getting funds out of the failing organization while there is still something to get out. So they threw a party. I bet it was quite wild.
Its all money laundry speak
The same Google is dealing with from the gov should have been done to Microsoft this severely a long time ago
you mean like that time long time ago when the gov tried to split Microsoft but they managed to avoid with some settlement?
@@endless2239 Many of us know good and well that Microsoft simply reformulates coding patterns using a structure that has not been made illegal yet. Every time the government identifies what they are doing as illegal, MS simply changes the coding patterns.
@@endless2239they managed to stall until they got a new President.
They did but then they settled. I always figured the "settlement" was all .gov intelligence agencies are granted backdoor access to their kernel in exchange for them not being broken up and Gates going to prison
@@endless2239 Yes. The problem persists though. Does anyone else think the situation with MS now is actually worse than it was 20+ years ago? Does anyone else think Google might be the only King Kong protecting us from Godzilla MS?
Finally switching full time to Brave after decades of Firefox use b/c the writing is clearly on the wall this time and that is saying a lot b/c Mozilla has been tripping over themselves for the past decade. Ladybird can't come fast enough.
I want a non chromium browser i hope the firefox offshoots keep developing.
i'm doing the same but i'm still torn between vivaldi and brave
@@GASTBF I think I'd choose vivaldi. It's neat.
@@GASTBF Vivaldi is good, it is actually different from the other browsers and I was going back and forth the last week from Vivaldi and Brave too. They are both Chromium so the base rendering is the same, so your choice is down to personal preference and features
Yep..been using Brave for a few years now and it's excellent.
Mozilla has spent over 10 years making Firefox worse. They need to be completely replaced with people who actually want Firefox to be good.
Good riddance. I dumped them a few years ago when they started manipulating search results to promote certain political narratives.
Look at the bright side, the CEO might actually have to do her job this time!
Maybe more adware, spyware and anti-white racism will help? Trying to make an OS using HTML and JS certainly didn't. Mind you that was barely even two billion dollars wasted.
Lol
I assume you're talking about Chrome OS? Is it built on JS?
@@lukewood2662He is talking about Firefox os, chrome os is based on linux
@@lukewood2662 No, firefox OS, which was basically a linux kernel that ran the Firefox browser engine. You can still buy a distant descendant of Firefox OS called Kai OS.
Isn't anti-white racism just racism?
Mozilla has become IT Crowd's "A lot of sexy people not doing much work and having affairs" with Moss and Roy coding Firefox in the basement.
Quite ironic that Mozilla hosted a "feminist LGBT AI climate justice" event at a resort in a country where being LGBT is illegal.
the gall . . .
Based, but they should've used some portion of their earnings to develop and promote Firefox too.
Mozilla needed to be humbled a long time ago
Dropped them for good when they fired Brendan Eich for a donation he personally made. My decision was confirmed when they went on their anti free speech rant. They could have shown true belief in openness and tolerance of ideas, lost a few users and employees, but went hard in the wrong direction slowly losing most. RIP Mozilla.
I'm sure they can blow it all in a week if they add one more DEI program....
And Mozilla looks around the room and discovers none of the DEI hires have no business experience other than being DEI hires .
DEI hire ponzi scheme.
Even if they werent dei, what would one do? Who wants to buy Mozilla since it aint profitable?
Ah yes, blame DEI for everything. Makes sense.
@@MatthewOfNineveh2% of Mozilla's revenue is spent on development...
DEI really is people hire with no success in there field. Basically getting paid to be a brick in the wall.
So if Mozilla goes under, how will the many Firefox based browsers keep operating? They have been dependent on Mozilla to keep the basic Firefox engine maintained.
hopefully someone whos not 3 googles in a trench coat buys it & keeps the ship floating
Yeah, this is what really scares me. Firefox is the only browser I've found on Linux where video playback hardware acceleration works with an AMD GPU. I also love the "fling" effect Firefox now enables by default on Wayland. It's just so smooth and responsive. I would hate to switch to a Chromium based browser, so much so that if this happens I'd probably just get a MacBook and call it a day.
Firefox is totally a project I'd donate to, but they hate people like me, so they don't deserve my money.
what? i don't think they are aware of your existence
@@spiritofstar just a white guy being angry
People like you? So people playing victim in RUclips comments?
@@MatthewOfNineveh People with his view (I guess he is conservative). There are no victims here.
Watch in 9 months the default search engine for Firefox become Bing
Perplexity. But in any case this could be where Edge becomes dominant, particularly in the Enterprise.
What a stupid organization. It was all theirs to lose and they did.
Layoff 75% of redundant staff, move to a smaller building in a cheaper state. Quit being greedy.
AS much as I used and still kinda love Firefox up until now, I have been wondering what Mozilla have been doing since a decade. I was confused by the Firefox OS and from there it went south. Steadily. I think it is sad, but they f****d around and found out. They had the keys to the kingdom and year after year they did their best to threw them away.
If this were to be established by law then Apple. And Microsoft as business models would also qualify as monopolies under this condition and would need to be broken up. Apple's own eco system functions as a much bigger Monopoly then Google maintaining Android
Yes, break up both Apple and M$
I don't understand why a company even has to be a thing. Just open source it and let the community handle it. If we can do whole operating systems we can do a fucking browser.
Somebody still needs to steer the ship.
BEEN using firefox about 20 years this video almost got me switchin
Me too. Noticed ff seems slower than chrome. Need a high quality non chromium based browser.
Fortunately, the DEI virus from the blue-haired nose-ringed activists which have infiltrated the Mozilla foundation doesn't affect the Firefox software installed on my computer.
@@JoeSmith-pu9hi there is none sadly and technical debt isn't mozilla's fault,regardless you can donate to Servo and Ladybird to help make that happen
@@JoeSmith-pu9hiit's incredible, cause in the past one of the main reasons I recommended Firefox was that it didn't eat up RAM while being as fast as Chrome
Mozilla doesn't care about Firefox anymore anyway, and neither should we.
Browsers were a dime a dozen in the early 2000's, if this comes to pass they will be again.
However, I'm pretty sure that a company the magnitude of Google has at least a googol of tricks up it's sleeve to maintain it's position in one way or another.
I mean, I'm hopeful that they don't. This has the potential to cause utter chaos in the tech sphere and that's exactly what we need rn tbh.
Having to lay off staff is probably a blessing in disguise at this point. As long as they lay off the right staff.
So, Firefox is probably on the way out, unless some super based devs manage to pull off a maintained fork of it, Ladybird isn’t ready yet, and probably isn’t planned to be for at least another year, and Google Chrome is probably going to shift massively in usability as it becomes just…Chrome (I imagine the Chromium engine won’t maintain the same level of support as it has now, either). Is…Microsoft Edge going to get a unique browser engine again and we end up having to choose between running Safari and Edge through compatibility layers on Linux…?
That's a terrible way to run a business. Good to see some of Google's control being weakened though.
One bank, one operating system.
One ring to rule them all
@@robyee3325 Are you talking about ring 0 :D
Thanks for keeping us up to date Bryan.
This has been a long time in coming. This is not government interference - it is government enforcing existing regulations to prevent one company from getting a death-grip on the internet.
7 Million of that for the CEO, enough to pay the firefox team for a year.
I know Firefox itself won't be going away if anything it'll get spun off and forked. Mozilla corporation needs to go its just a shell corporation now.
Yeah, and tbh the real value is in its rendering engines (Gecko/Quantum and SpiderMonkey). The UI and other browser features don't matter as much; it's much easier to build a new browser around an existing rendering engine (which is why Opera, Vivaldi, Brave, and even Edge are built on Chromium's rendering engines). But right now Chromium's engines (Blink and V8) have such a huge marketshare that letting alternatives die could make for a pretty dystopian future. Apple's WebKit certainly isn't coming in to save the day...
Honestly Mozilla deserves what's coming down the pipes. I love Firefox as a product, but Mozilla has been grossly negligent in their management of the project.
"Oh look I'm wearing the same shirt"
I think this pattern is getting pretty frequent Mr Lunduke 😂
I can imagine Lunduke talking on Joe Rogan talking about tech and journalism :)
Is Elon going to buy the GOOGOO or Mozilla?
Seriously, Mozilla Firefox was always open source so I hopefully assume that all the privacy and security based browsers that are based on Firefox will still be able to *NOT be influenced by this and will be able to be maintained without Mozilla? Right?
3D and Virtual gaming and Computing was a total failure. Remember the Meta World that was going to take computing by storm, failed. Now there seems to a proliferation of companies doing Ai, only one problem, the majority of people do not want to use it. This too will fail.
VR gaming wasnt a total failure. its not a big hit but its enough to get another gen of hardware from valve. LLM Ai is a failure but AI itself is a hit for games.
I can't believe they are going after Google instead of Apple, which is a far more anticompetitive company
Except at the moment it's still possible to get away from or (somewhat) work around Apple. Now, in the upcoming version of MacOS if Apple decides to **ONLY** allow installing applications from the Apple App Store, THEN there can be a case against them.
@SenileOtaku it really depends on your social group.
It's quite annoying to use Android when most people around you use iPhones. Also, iOS is a much more popular operating system than macOS. I don't think the big government is going to do anything about it.
@@NakamuraSatou aren't iPhones expensive?
@@tomsmith6513 Not any more than an Android flagship, especialyl if you get them as part of a new multi-year phone plan contract. The carriers subsidize the cost.
1. Mozilla can start actively soliciting donations, which it's not doing now. Wikipedia-style, like Jimmy Wales staring into your soul. Monthly donation target as was seen on Reddit.
2. Cut down on unrelated expenses, like DEI programs and other progressive initiatives.
Who would donate to Mozilla? People who use Firefox are regularly spit on by them. And their funds don't even go into Firefox development.
dont call it progressivs
@@PySnek indeed, regressive left.
Finally Firefox Opensource project saved. No more comunity managers.
Just goes to prove 'putting all your eggs in one basket' is not recommended.
EDIT: Nevermind, this sounds like it's actually going to be positive. I didn't think about it enough lol.
This is likely going to end very very badly. Google profits massively from their ads business, which allows them to not be too concerned about money on side projects like Android and Chrome, as long as some of them succeed sometimes. I suspect whoever buys them will likely try to cash out as much money from them as quick as possible. Which is bad. Very bad.
If Google had to sell Chrome, couldn't they just make a Brand New Web Browser based on Chromium, because it is fully Open Source? And call it anything but Chrome, like The "Google Browser"? 😮
Yeah, they can, but they wouldn't rule over the Chromium project anymore. So, Google wouldn't be putting the rules over most browsers anymore, they would have just another fork.
But if they just end up leading the changes or even hard forking chromium then google would essentially be in control
Mozilla should become like Proton and charge an annual fee for premium access to the suite. With the same conviction for privacy that they have now. People would pay!
Hey Firefox, "Winter is coming".
I am glad I found your channel.
So Microsoft will dev Chromium, so they can continue using it in Edge and we go back to the old IE like days. But also, that future of Mozilla they describe just sounds like some new speak for bankruptcy.
Who would buy Android? Apple?
Huawei? 🤷♂
Mozilla has been an awful company for many years. Their demise can't happen soon enough.
Thank you for informing. Happy I recently found you.
So will we enter another era of browser stagnation, because nobody is allowed to fund anything?
Do we really need browser enhancements? We can view hypertext just fine with current browsers.
One thing's for certain; if there's NO dominant browser in the market, then web developers will have to START doing their f**king jobs and test against ALL browsers, instead of shoving a minimal test against a single OS/browser combo and call their job done.
@@username7763but how else would web devs be able to make a UI framework per year, with increasingly less performant code.
@@username7763 We could view it just fine in 1995 too, but it still has improved hugely since then.
I'd pay for Firefox. Just god in heaven don't make it a subscription. But I'd TOTALLY pay 25 bucks for each major release of Firefox… say about once a year or so.
So would I, if zero cents of that went to the insane asylum called the Mozilla foundation (or, if the Mozilla foundation kicked out the cultural marxist activists and went back to supporting FOSS development).
...bud thats a yearly subscription you just described
I hope they spend it all this holiday season.
I'd say that making Chrome and Android their own companies sounds better than them being sold and controlled by someone else.
the writting is on the wall. i cancelled my premium firefox relay subscription and made sure none of my accounts have a relay in the login or contact infos.
I'm still unsure what to pick. nothing is as effective as firefox+ublock+privacy badger
Brave works great.
I hope nobody will fund them, and hope to see them bankrupt after Mozilla fired Steve Teixeira
This probably will halt evolution of JavaScript langrage as most of browser development resources that are left will need focus on security.
Let it rot.
"Everything woke turns to $h¡t!"
~ A former and a future President
dropped Firefox because of their politics infestation. I'm done. I would rather use Chrome at this point.
Use Brave
I switched to Mercury, got to keep my entire Firefox profile and it's faster.
I tried Midori and my main issue with it other than that it is a lot faster is the lack of advertisement blockers etc.
Blech I would rather abstain from the internet entirely than use Chrome.
Politics is irrelevant. What they do with it and if they force it on you is another issue.
This lawsuit should've happened 10 years ago.
Lunduke, please take a look into what's going to happen as a result to this lawsuit to the cast protocol (which is proprietary to google).thanks!
Paying to be the default shouldn’t be punished. Paying to be the only one should be punished… this is terrible
Same thing. Google is the only one paying so default to only one everywhere
22:18 you say nobody's using edge, but some of the top 100 websites are seeing edge marketshare overtake firefox.
Your point being?
@@cccpkingu he said nobody's using edge, that was true until recently
It would be pretty sad to see Mozilla abandoning Firefox.
I hope this 25 year plan you mention gets abandoned (like they do with many good projects) and they take another route.
I pray that Firefox sticks around. It is by far the best browser I've used on Linux (IMHO). Scrolling (including the "fling" effect) is super smooth, and hardware acceleration works on Intel and AMD GPUs. If Firefox disappears, I'll probably move away from Linux (especially after the "Maintainers File" fiasco and Linus's idiotic comment on the subject).
I hope some good developers come aid the Waterfox project.
Pale Moon is already independent, they will be fine.
If Mozilla goes under who will take over the source code of firefox and continue to develop it.
So Alphabet should sell chromium open source project or only frame called Chrome (with Google tracking).
Cool.
Next step is to force Microsoft to sell Bing browser witch is as well build on Chromium but with Microsoft's tracking instead of Googles?
Microsoft basing their re-engineered Edge browser on Chromium was just a stupid idea anyway. At this point Google has become their major competitor, so basing Edge on a project so heavily controlled by a major competitor was a bonehead move.
But I guess basing it on a Mozilla/Gecko/Firefox codebase (being a descendent of the very same Mozilla browser MS tried to kill before) would have been SO ironic their heads would have exploded.
It is truly amazing how much of the US gdp is fugazi. 500 million offshoot of google sustains a whole nother company.
ChromeOS is supposed to be merged/superseeded by Android on Chromebooks so any Android change would impact even that. But still curious if Google when pushed could use nuclear options and pretty much kill Android in a way.
The insanity of all this is that all the browsers are just about to become insecure if this goes through because Firefox won’t have any money and Google won’t be able to maintain chrome. Most of the alternatives people use in the FOSS world are downstream of these browsers.
Browser codebases are just insanely huge. The pipelines are incredibly large and convoluted. I know there’s going to be other browsers coming out of this, but in the interim people are just gonna get hacked through their browsers.
So Google is being punished by someone named suspiciously similar to 'Meta'? 🤣🤣🤣
Oh boy, somebody needs to make a backup of MDN.
Interesting that this is happening as the financial system that had cheap USD is at an end where big tech benefited from the Cantillon effect.
Can't wait for Chrome being sold and Mozilla to go bankrupt.
It is time for expensive bottle of sparkling wine when they go broke.
They went woke . . . then they went broke . . .
Microsoft disabled my internet explorer without my consent by sneaking it into a edge update and for that I still hate them.
Google getting "preferential treatment" in a bad way. Where are other mega-corporations (Meta, Amazon, you name it) what are monopolizing market (maybe).
Why are they haven't got any pressure? What's very unfair.
With Android, could these changes break all old versions, since they all phone home constantly? WOW.
If Goggle loses Android, Android is done being what it is. Whoever buys it, will rename it and make it as closed-source as Apple does with her own mobile OS.
Commenting to bless the alogarythms.
Don't worry. Wild AI visions will come to help.
Vivaldi for dominant browser - let's go
I find the decision to be very questionable. No one would want to be forced to sell their business by a third party. And considering Google’s revenue model is a miracle we get to use so many of their services for free. I think the consequences will probably be big and bad; we might lose the free Google services as consumers
So Microsoft buys Chrome and shuts down Chromium and Firefox? Becomes a monopoly power over browser + search. We swap one monopoly for another, the one with the laptop operating system dominance?
Hey DOJ, how about some help getting Ubuntu Cinnamon Spin laptops in Best Buy huh?
It would have to be bought by a smaller company. Microsoft and Apple are both too big.
I think their proposal would to give chromium to someone else and the judge would agree.
And it also seems insane to me that they’re doing this to Google and not to Microsoft when Google doesn’t really compare to Microsoft in the type of abuse that they do to consumers.
Netscape is opensource and it used to be the best browser...somebody get busy! 😊 where's a whip emoji when you need one!
Seriously, if Firefix is going down the tubes and maybe Chrome, that retro Netscape without any AI could be awesome again!
And do a modem dialing up when it launches! I'd pay for that!
MIGA???? (Make Internet Great Again?)
@SenileOtaku For real!
it's HEATIN UP BOIS
are pockets so full, it look so! that where the money go.
Mot-zilla? I pronounce it Moe-zilla.
If Brave starts a Brave Email service... wow..
You kind of forgot to mention the issue until about 6 minutes in. All you mentioned was Google possibly having to sell Chrome and Android, neither of which affects Firefox. It wasn't until about 6 minutes in that you mentioned it was basically guaranteed that Google would have to cease the default search engine agreements.